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hello and welcome to the program i'm getting you. navigate on the united states is backing of israel's were on gaza. has been crystal clear on the military front, supplying huge quantities of weapons and money and to put magically washington's also been at the forefront and driving as real as cause it after vito in previous un security council resolutions for a cease fire or us abstention is allowed a motion to pass a weaker version than the original draft. it agrees on age, but not a ceasefire. and it's taking days of political and back from wrangling to get it through. as more palestinians are killed in gaza. of course, for the $20000.00 who are dead lying and makes if graves or under the rubble, the vote is meaningless on whether it will have any impact for those who have

survived. israel's merciless attacks will only be known in the coming days. so what does this vote mean for the palestinians and also for the united nations? just how far is the bite and administration prepared to go to keep going and supporting israel will be asking or guess fees and other questions in a few moments. first, this report from i'm consumed sharif on what happens at the un security council as palestinians were being killed in continues as strikes and ground attacks across casa in new york, united nations security council, pulse to water down resolution to increase desperately needed a to the strip a sensitive hold was delayed 3 times before it paused without being vetoed as the united states and russia abstained. and 13 of the 15 member council voted in favor to the palestinian invested to the un criticize the vote on this account to cancel

. it took this concept $75.00 days to finally i thought of the lord succession of hostilities to author of the session with possibilities for the days of the general assembly. first, the fair to that objective and tens of thousands of palestinians can lead to the original draft called for an origin cessation of hostilities between israel and homos. but the us of posted and also insisted on removing the clause giving the you an exclusive control of humanitarian deliveries. the funding vote came of to the united states, a v told a russian amendment with a strong avoiding distorted regulation popular. earlier i said the vote would be a moment of truth and that's what happened. the us once again expose their true face in front of the world, blocking an even extremely weak call for a cessation of hostilities in gaza. the us investor to the un rejected critics who

said, there's a disconnect between the majority of the un member states, the want to cease file of the united states that's blocked one. there is no disconnect here. we are all working to address the humanitarian needs on the ground and we're working to address those needs immediately. that's what this resolution is about. the resolution comes as the humans will for program is wanting a quote to of households and goss this roughly $500000.00 people, a stuffing oh you and by proposed once the extent of hunger industry is worse than that seen in your famines, enough calling us from an human in recent years, un secretary general, antonio gutierrez, is skeptical of the resolution without a ceasefire. the real problem is that the, what use ratio is conducting these will fantasies is creating massive ops,

the costs of the distribution of humanitarian. they've eaten side gas. so and the fact is a little bit ation you guys are required security stuff will, can working safety, logistical capacity, and the resumption of commercial activity. these 4 elements do not exist. the volt came as, as while expanded its ground defensive will bring more people to evacuate from areas it had only a ducats safe in the weeks ahead, the challenge will be implemented as palestinians, and you mounting slaughter and humanitarian crisis. let me close. i'm sure he's fully inside story and so the united states has a long history of using it's vito power to back israel at the united nations. it's 1st the retail on palestine at the un security council was in 1972. it's block 35 un resolutions critical of israel in more than 50 years to out of those retailers

have been during israel's ongoing war on gaza. us has vetoed resolutions on israel $47.00 times in all, including over israel's invasion of the south of 11 on as well as the occupation of syria's goal on heights. the when i bring in our guest, joining us to scott lucas from birmingham in the u. k. he's a professor of us and international relations that university call his dublin, and also the founder and editor of the online news site. a world view from moscow is dimitri babich was a political analyst at the in on site internet media project on from is lot about money hot and low d. a former focused on permanent representative and baset are to the united nations . thank you all for joining us. on monday, how come to you 1st? if we look at this latest resolution, it opposes a demand for the suspension of hostilities,

but calls for the creation of conditions to allow us sustainable ceasefire. how does that work? well, i mean, i think the question to be asked is a 10 weeks into a book or war with a what 20000 civilian palestinians dead is this bull of the security code? so could do, i think it's a failure of its duty and its responsibility because after all, this is the word body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. so this resolution is so watered down. it doesn't even mean if the electron wanna cease fire. i mean the, according to the point you raised, and we're definitely going to be talking about that in a moment. but 1st i'd just like to 0 in on some of the language that was used. so when the resolution calls for urgent steps to establish conditions for a sustainable ceasefire, i mean how open to interpretation is this. in your opinion, you were a,

a permanent representative to the united nations. because if you look at israel, it believes those steps would involve the complete destruction of hamas, for example. so, so the language use, why would you describe it? for i think it's meaningless. it means absolutely nothing. it will do nothing to change the situation on the ground because we know that several days of negotiations with the us children to use the veto unless it got the language that it wanted. and in the end of didn't get the language it wanted. because the language originally was that there should be a cessation of hostilities and then the word was changed to suspension of facilities. and then we ended up with that being dropped in only the core for creating the conditions. whatever that means, it's up to anybody to interpret that, right? frankly, i think us delay a ad display of duplicity. lead to an outcome that is going to change absolutely

nothing. what people continue to be killed and devastation continues. you know that you insect the general, as your report itself indicated, has expressed his own disappointment and skepticism and basically said, this is no one to hear anything unless there is a cease fire. how can you get humanitarian assistance in? it's all, but let's rand dimitri, because we have reaction from the russian and basset are saying that the u. s. had rendered this resolution to 1st is that then how we explain the russian extension to this vote to know, i think the russians united states, epstein for absolutely different reasons. you know that the russian representative saw the russian side thinks that the ocean doesn't go far enough in enforcing the israel to stop that bombardment. and the night the states want us to what the down the resolution. uh, let me remind you of that for many years then when i,

the state street decides through native nations and the states even justified its actions by boston through native nations such as the invasion of iraq, such as the invasion of uga florida. they explained it by the u. n. being both less by the u. m. boss, seeing what a donor is a nuisance. well, what can be more what a down then there is a lucian born in for the creation of conditions for what does that say? oh, for the sustainable ceasefire to allow for a sustainable people, the language, the time to store shooting a exactly, a, this is a very, very, or what the don't, the language of people have died. you know, uh the shooting should be stopped immediately so that you, when you turn in a good calm the secretary general do, and i, the nation was, has been very old with about it and still have these uh, empty words. and we have zoomed either nation. so we have the states, 1st boy,

king, the security can also resolution. then we have the general assembly where although neither stays votes against our is that it wasn't supported by just a handful or which breaks us, you know. okay, so between let me just ask you this, let me just ask you the because the we also heard that we got reaction from the is read from israel's permanent representative who called the resolutions focused on age mechanisms, unnecessary and disconnected from reality. but we also know that that resolution has changed over the past few days until delegates reached the text that they did on friday. what those changes have been done, not maybe not so much in conjunction with the is release but, but how much pressure would the is really has been putting on the americans, for example, to water down the text. uh uh, i think uh its rate is don't need to pressure the americans, americans swear more than willing to worth

a dollar. this 300 russian. there are 2 main points. how should the bombardment be stopped immediately? and who controls the process all the distribute dispute between 8. israel uh wants to control that process or visit. this is not acceptable. uh, full body studio. so i'm for many countries that want to provide aid. so these are tools stumbling blocks, and the space keeps using them in order to book any progress on these resolutions, right? but we also know on that last point you made that the us also insisted on removing the clause that gives the un exclusive control a few monetary and delivery. so we understand that israel yes, still is going to the scott lucas over to you must, the, your west gets out of upstanding from this resolution after a number of days going back and forth. and then this resolution is put out. and as we're hearing from our panelist, it's almost meaningless. what does the us get out of this of money?

first, also important to notice not just of us. it's plain politics here. we should note that the current one is using this as a process to try to get all over its repeated b toes when it enables me to join us. obviously in the mass killing of hundreds of thousands of people in syria. and of course, it's personalized in the security council over the christmas holidays, ukraine. but in this case of the united states, what you have and you've described this. there are 3 key points here. first of. busy removing any reference to a suspension of hostilities, let alone expectation of hostilities. secondly, removing the phrase, giving to us control override, which effectively gives the user enters a veto over those supplies. and thirdly, removing any reference to the violations of international humanitarian law by all sides. what the united states is continuing to do is to try to sort of maintain

this idea that it has leverage with the use right ways that somehow it can call on it is right at least to limit the operations that are killing civilians. i think quite frankly, that ship has site. the us does not have leverage with the use railways unless it was to restrict military aid. but in fact, of course, the united states has increased military too as well since october 7th, including more than $15000.00 bonds, 110000 of which are on guided dunbar. and the broader answer to this is, is that the united states, since the 1967, the war has treated israel as one of the 3 strategic allies in the middle east. one of those 3 allies, the wrong, is gone. so your radio is not assured. ally at this point, and so us institutions are still valid and with the use,

riley's sat even behind closed doors, is i try to tell the israelis play stop, please limit this. right. so hang on a 2nd. god, actually you, when you're trying to send a message then to uh, to the world in fact that it's still strong in the middle east, in the us is actually playing both sides. your are trying to play both sides here. now you're seeing the site here where you've got to buy new ministration, or those officials in the, by the ministration who publicly will not criticize israel over its military operations. the other side of this past due, for example, vice president counselor here us who has publicly paul for the protection of civilians. the problem here is, instead of both sides message by the by the administration, means almost nothing much as an investor loader. you mentioned the fact that this alternate un resolution means nothing until you have a farm life in a bind administration. enough is not backed up by action,

which means the restriction of military into the israelis tell a base go to use that wiggle room, you know, whatever is being told that by behind, close close door by using the blanket for example publicly, they'll continue to expand this offensive, as we've seen in the last 48 out, monday how this was a new way, a large resolution from the get go in which the us then managed to water down. why with the u. a. e allowed us i think that you a was desperate to get any resolution in before it's done ended on the security council. but i think in doing that, it exposed itself to the kind of the negotiations in which the united states basically got its way. and it got its way a to is ryan's benefit, as you said earlier, is right and retains up it's control over the delivery of it. and of course there's no c spy. so i think, you know, we have to look at the big picture. the big picture is that the world is standing on one side as expressed in 2 general assembly resolutions global opinion. and then

we have the united states and israel standing on one side. and yet, the security council is, is unable to act in any meaningful way to stop the war. because, so i agree with dimitry, unless i'm tested as an end to the black chip shit. i listen to the end of the war . it is meaningless to talk about getting humanity in the system saying, i mean, you're killing people, and then you're saying we'd like to have for whoever surviving. so, dmitri, um, how will the security council respond? if israel doesn't comply with this as well? uh, it is difficult to predict what will happen next uh, but uh, i see a very dangerous tendency. um, but i think, lucas, uh, uh, no. did it very well. uh, the western side is trying to, uh, i would go, would expand the base over the goals like they keep mentioned in

a rush for your premium conflict. and they keep comparing rochard to come us, which is up so to my mind. but they keep doing it, do you know that united states president is doing it? so we're all foreign ministers in the you are doing that. so i think we should all concentrate now on season for speeding this. this is the most important thing. if this is secure and take also can concentrate on deb, i'm sure there can be and i would come uh, but uh, i don't think anyone can tell you what will happen in the next 7 or 8 days because it's so unpredictable that the policy is over the western congress kind of become unpredictable. they keep finding elements for themselves. and also of course, the world is watching what color of the country is without epstein to hold that they gaze the general assembly or is a notion on the seizing for students in, in,

in gaza in palestine. you know, ukraine abstained the okay. abstained the u. s. allies as the natal members, they were the congress that abstained. right. so scott, i mean it just sounds like i'm struggling to to find the points of such resolutions. then am i correct in saying that it and, and how far away is the council from actually making a real difference on the ground when it comes to the world, garza, there is a point, but assistant ball it in terms of the prior to the military, the economic 3 else. yes, and we know this for decades is that the security council is held hostage to the 5 powers who have veto over it. so the security council was held hostage and could not do anything for the mass, killing him, serial over fly report using version of ukraine because of the russian veto tier of

the security council is being held hostage because of the american beach. oh, that's that i do think it is important that you have the vast majority of the security council. in this case, 13 or 15 members yesterday were the only rush on the also standing, who have signal the fact that they want something to be done. i think it's important that the general assembly by an overwhelming march, a 153 of a 193 stage visions pole in for that series fire. it does highlight the isolation of the x ray, which it does highlight the if the is railing more cabinet to not quote, destroy him on soon as it's phone for administer. so we risk diplomatic defeat. so yes, this process is not satisfied. this process will not help out jobs and civilians . so to tell you this, what is the us time table when it comes to this for?

because what we've heard from the is really side is that they need a few months. the americans have reported me and said you have a few weeks and now we have this resolution. that doesn't call for a ceasefire. i go back to the point of it earlier that american officials are totally is really behind closed doors. they've leaked it to the media that they wanted these operations wrapped up by december 31st. i think it's evident that barring a very quick is really cool victory in southern gaza. these operations will not wrapped up. so just as i said, the district council was held hostage by the author of russia. the americans were held hostage by the israeli war cabinet on last. and i repeat, unless the americans take a meaningful step, which is either to support a resolution, which has been fortunate powers to bring aid into casa, or on last, the americans restrict military aid to the israelis. if they do not hear those,

he is really war cabinet. they can proceed knowing they're not going to separate punishment, no matter how many civilians, perhaps the most buyers, died of jobs or for weeks or even months. somebody. how does this resolution have enforcement powers? how can it actually be in force? because, i mean, we've spoken also to a lot of humanitarian groups here on alger 0. since that resolution was passed. who said this is likely to make no difference to them. you know, gets very weak. i mean, if you listen to walk, many heads of a non governmental organizations are saying you meditated in organizations are saying they're not saying the same thing, which is it's going to make precious little difference on the ground. and i think what it does is be sort, so for actions, what they do is they undermine the legitimacy of the security council. and that in done brings into question the very credibility of the united nations, the united nations has been seen as, you know,

losing any relevance in the crisis that's going on for over 10 weeks. and with the situation gets more and more brave as the days go by. so i think this kind of resolution is of no head to anybody, but clearly it's a response to growing pressure. there is pressure exerted by the 2 g resolutions, which clearly bored for something to be done. and that something was but she's fine . but that didn't happen. so in, in good, you know, instead of that, it's almost like substituting what really needed to be done with something. but we just so weak. and as i said before, so meaningless. but in a way, responding to pressure also from demonstrations that are taking place on a continuum to take place across the were public demonstrations going in for an action to stop the genocide to stop the bludgeon. so, you know, these kinds of resolutions been used really, frankly, in my opinion of

a smoke screen because nothing really changes. right. demitria, what does this mean for the secretary general himself? if anything at all, does it empower him to speak out more because we saw him a few weeks ago invoke article 99, which calls for us the station of hostilities. and at the time he said that he hoped that his move would put more pressure on the council. do you think it has pressure of the counsel in any way at all with the secretary general do next? it unfortunately is a ball uh over the separately general uh over the united nations has been decreasing. even the last uh, i would say at least 20 years since the invasion of iraq. uh we saw that the security calling so uh, you know, uh the vito rule uh, which caught the previous sized. unfortunately, i don't think it is going to be removed because it saved the world from a nuclear war several times of to 1945. you know,

the vito ball were given to the new flip boss, so i don't think you may need the, we'll say will to buy the system that somehow protect the best will so many years. but the power all the, uh, general surgery has been decreasing. uh we, we saw how the you are and has been unable to prevent a huge invasion such as the invasion of iraq. so i chose to the cover and cover the invasion of syria by the congress that were not being lied to the by anyone, nor by the syrian government, nor by the united nations. so i don't expect the donio would there be a should to be very effective if i, i have a friend say i would not do. i have to be in his shoes right now. he has to be on board at the store, but the repression of russian speaking population of your brain for a year. so i mean, for 8 years before we're getting start of the so bear with me to try the ration going. yeah, it's going to be gone squared bombarded by the ukranian troops on the united

nations. did nothing, scott, go ahead short. i. so i've just come back to, you know, the phone, not too much to stick with facts rather than putting out propaganda here. and the fundamental side to your it is, is that i think has about her body is pointed out that that as far as this unfortunately is especially pointed out that as long as you have the veto power, which is placed in there by the security council, it is going to be a body which is really not going to entropy into effect in a number of cases. and this goes all the way back to the 1950s. um, you know, the last time the un security council really acted effectively and an issue regarding one of the great powers was when it decided to intervene in the korean war. and that's because the soviet union board tried the security council a mistake the never to measure. yeah. and so again, when it comes to the case that there are a outs, dimitri pointed out in 2003. yes,

the security council ultimately was powerless to present a disastrous invasion when it comes to china were pressing its own population. the security council was powerless because of the chinese data. and when the kremlin creates the propaganda lines to say, oh, it's okay for the establishing to kill syrians civilians because supposedly it's all the fault of the western powers. they can paralyze the security council where the russians, when they pretty much is age, you correct? the age of crime doesn't defend you credit in days you cry. like it's like, oh, it's the west for power just and they told us therefore we're going to cast our veto on the security council and then proceed to justify their own waterfront switch. and so if you want to deal with, you fundamentally have to deal with that question a veto power, right? 5 pulse through not whole the, the real hostage. and that means giving more power to the general assembly or having an expanded security council. we're the fee to power does not through us.

yeah. where of course we know resolutions there are in facts non binds inc, but we'll have to leave it there with that. no, thank you so much for joining us. got lucas. dimitri babich, i'm any high low. do we appreciate your time? thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website . i'll just the result. com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook phase dots. facebook dot com forward slash a inside story from the conversation on x r handle is a inside story from myself and the whole team here in delphi. thanks for watching on buy from the injustice for me. is the driving force of why i do this to show people what it's like to live in places where in just this isn't something you read in. the news is something that happens to every single day. whether it's a war, natural disaster,

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