came under attack along with the parking lot. this is central to lots of states from where i'm standing in the capital city just. it's just about an hour drive to the affected area. yeah, it's business as usual, but just about 50 kilometers away from where i'm spending people last the morning. and then finally is i still looking for the missing ones? why is hoping that they will find some of them were polite into the bush? are those the parts that the, some of them are losing hope given that the some of their loved ones have been missing for about 48 hours and tuesday afternoon go to the general. the official who doesn't want to be named told me that you can't do that by 150 bodies, which, which is why people have said that, that so could be much higher than being projected some of those when hospital where be receiving sickness up at the time probably for the be died and government is given full time. why security setup in the area to ensure that they know that they did attacks. and that is really just going to mobilize for reprisals to them as in

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hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. why have american evangelicals become? is real strongest backers. let's get to the bottom line, the throughout the war and gaza and for decades before that, american evangelicals have been some of the most powerful voices for israel. and that's saying a lot 30 percent of americans describe themselves as evangelicals, conservative christians with the backbone to the republican party, support for israel, and they drive the national debates on abortion, on immigration, on education, and even race. they believe that god made a promise to the jewish people designating palestine as their homeland. and they see the creation of israel in 1948 as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. this idea known as christian zion is i'm to be traced back for centuries. so with all the weight, the conservative christians have in the us, how much of these ideas are driving american policy on the middle east,

and is the catastrophic war waged by israel over the past few months in gaza, sparking a debate among christian churches in the country today we're talking with jonathan could tab co founder of the palestinian human rights group out hawk, board member of bethlehem, bible college and author of beyond the 2 state solution. john, and thanks so much for joining us. i have to admit this terrain is one that i don't often talk about, which is you know, the religious dimensions of conflict and national interest. tell us what we should know about christian zionism. well, this is, i, ism, is, is an old phenomena. and the different kinds of christians in this, but the broad uh, thread that connects them altogether is a uh, a political position on zionism and israel based on some interpretations of scripture. and uh,

some of them are really far out. uh, some of them believe that it's the beauty of cruise shows the support as well because that helps the jesus come back again. the 2nd coming, it's tied into their interpretation of prophecies and m times. you may have heard about the left behind series or the late great planet errors a. these are very popular sensationalized expressions of christian zionism that says that the end of the world is near the creation of the state of israel is a harbinger of the 2nd coming of christ. and the somehow just shows, i suppose the support at this stage of israel as, as part of god's land uh for the world. now, not all christian scientists believe that. what do they do believe is that somehow

it's the duty of christians to support the in gathering of the jews. uh and to support the state of israel. they take one verse and is scripture and the genesis where uh, god says uh to abraham. i will bless those who bless thee and cherish those who cares the through your seed with all the nations of the world, the blessed people say we need the blessing, we want the blessing. and so we want to support the state of israel because that's the way to obtain god's blessing. and the problem of course is that this is a totally. busy interpretation of scripture because a new test and it says that the seed of israel is used in the singular who is christ, it is through christ that all the nations of the world are blessed. and that's the

thing. yeah. or the state of israel. i find it interesting because i think this is a certain strain of the van jellico movement that has as that talks about the conflict. it's simple that today almost in holy war terms, which we haven't seen with political power, but this does have political power. yes. this is really a very fascinating thing. i live, there's an all day applied to christian design is the state of israel and design. this movement has actually saw the support of a well known anti semite as long as that. but it's clearly in the corner, like uh, hundreds or by for example, of like president trump. people who are bigoted. i submitted, who hate jews, but who are willing to support the state of israel. welcome by this video and video . i had use it perfect example. uh and this,

the ology is actually very at they submitted. at one time he says, god doesn't even answer the prayers of jews. but, but this strange political wedding between anti semites and the zion, this movement is also available for christian scientists. you can, you can hate jews. you can think that they are uh, you know, god is go to church that uh, very recently i heard about a pastor and a big mega church. we were trying to ask them to pray for the children of guys. this is no, no, no, and i don't want to do that. i don't want to create trouble because you see, i believe and the prophecy of these jews and go together there. and there was a big marriage on his face that they're all gonna die because i'm gonna get the, they're all gonna be destroyed except for those who accept jesus christ as their

savior. so this guy who really doesn't like jews, who are things are going to be destroyed, is still going to politically support zionism in the state of israel. and that because he really loves the jews or cares about them, that but because it fits in his twisted c already. while i'm going to ask you in a moment, jonathan, about how a mazda is ideology, just to, you know, be fair and talk about different corners of this equation. but another puzzle piece in this confusing for me anyway. is that the ambassador of israel to the united nations the lot aired on actually went to the cornerstone church, went to texas, where, where john hagi is based and um christians, united for israel are, are, are based and, and he made the following statement. he says how mos ideology is the same as that of isis outright. a and i a totally regime in iran does it were you just see a leading statesman from israel serving in the united nations allied with

john haig. e and this of christians, united for israel. well, uh, let's be very clear. i am left in apologies for a mess. uh there. uh, she lost the g there. if you all a g is this la, mrs. but it's it much more mild form of islam is set and that isis uh, they certainly liked the bill of religion. and i think one must realize that with the failure of out of nationalism throughout the middle east, that is greater interest in the slimy form of politics. but this love is such a role is a spectrum. is this not christianity? you can be a christian marxist. you can be a christian, as sophie, you can be

a christian mistake, you can be a christian liberal on christian, conservative own christian radical. so a slab is a very broad thing. it's not monolithic. and frankly, at least the people that i know of from asked are quite mild, quite moderate, like, uh, uh, some of them are progressive. there are some crazies of course, uh, but then you find that in every religion and every political movements. uh i think uh the harm actually those have made here that i'm willing to accept a sort of long term, but now with israel that they are willing to work with the piano or defend to the nationalist. they are a lot of religious in there, but it to jump doctrine. but now that's crazy. find the mentors that they're not

the kaisers and that is very predictive actually of the tiny christian my knowledge you guys uh uh, throughout the years a lot of the rise of how this was because people were very disgruntled with fedex and that, but i still need my apology, good, very corrupt and then efficient its best. and its worse, there was savings, occupation, and collaborating with it. and sort of controlling it's people as sub contractors board as the occupation. so of course people don't really get that and would, would go to lean towards the motor religious outcomes. and then you have to understand that people in palestine is rather middle east are religious, but it's a mild kind of religion. it's a deep faith that ultimately god is important drawers that you see people living in

calamities and raising their hands up as, as god look what's happening to us. we love to you for salvation. so that is always going to be ever the just component to people's views on politics and everything else. the question is, what kind of religion is it their mother or is it an intolerant fanatic of religion? uh, and then my at least my own uh, experience with him as that is the mother it uh from uh, uh, as long as it's like, almost like the muslim brotherhood. a rather than like isis. i'm not saying the christians i in this group in america is all powerful, powerful, but it does have power. the, the us embassy in israel didn't move from tallahassee to jerusalem in part because

of this movement. so there is muscle there and i'm interested in your study of this group and to what degree they see palestine in, in a future that may be more just more fair to both sides, frankly, as well. the christian design is moving. does it at or deal with it, but i didn't use it for them. the cd is either non existent or the enemies of god because of the enemies of the state of israel. i find that the beautiful christians zionism is very broad, but it's very thin. it's not very deep, it's that as fundamental to their identity as issues like abortion, for example. or. busy sexuality for them to support for his name is like a default position. and then they have thought much about because they were never really asked or question or challenged on it. it's, it's, it's

a default position. my, my interaction was tristan's i, this has been that the very shallow they don't really. busy the facts for them, it's just a given that is a oh because i read about the bible and they quaint the is the bible with the mother, the state of israel, big waiting to finish the news with the philistines. that's where being, frankly, ethnically plans by the hebrew tribes adult estimates. they sort of jump over 2000 years of history and then jump over. most of the new testament said when you sit with them and talk to them and you will divide up to them very liable to change their positions. but you have to talk to them. in biblical terms, you have to quote scripture to them. you can't quote to them international law.

what do they care? you get the quote to them. the dangers of what most read that they bring it on. that's the end times. that's the 2nd coming. that's wonderful. you have to talk to them about cry, sloth, christ compassion christ being the priest of peace, of christ, being open to everybody that salvation forgot sort of the world. not just the jewish drive that he gave his only begotten son. so whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting, right? when you talk in that language, too many christians, i missed, they said, we never thought about that. maybe you are right. maybe there is a room for us to talk and to discuss. the problem is that most people who oppose christian zionism, uh, don't use that language. instead they say, you know, you're crazy, you're, you're, well,

we can't live our lives. we can't run our politics based on what you say because it's destructive and they say ok destructive with is. this is what we believe. this is what the bible teaches. the god said it, i believe it that settles it. right. what is your sense, jonathan? of how much this may effect president biden's view of the situation. you know, biden is not a christian scientist. he is a catholic christian who is a believer in zionism, but we should not merge those 2 together. but how do you feel, joe biden is influenced by this conservative christian framing or i see less so then for example, somebody like micro beds or bump bail from the old administration. they would even jelic goes, there was christian zionist, i think by then as lot of a politician,

i don't think he has christian faith really is involved too much and, and his politics. he is a catholic, as you mention. and the pope has to be very clear about what the bible electricians really need to do about the shattered glass just been guys are uh so i'm not i don't think uh biden is himself a christian scientist. you find more just design this among white, even jelly goes uh, who tend to be more republican and democratic. so kristof is i, as in this afternoon, i'm in a more closely allied with the republican right? doing politicians a but, but there are people who are manipulative. these are politicians, they don't really care. they don't really believe that's,

that's what motivates them. rather, it's interests. one of the reminders for many americans and many around the world that there are palestinian christians was a horrible incident in which a mother and daughter were shot by israel. the snipers, while they were seeking refuge in a church in gaza, would love to hear about palestinian christians and their view of this, their differences with the american christian community. if there are, i mean, i'd love to kind of see where they are on the map. how important are they in this equation right now, which is which is horrible, but they are there. you're one of them as well. but let's do this is have always been an empty 0 part of the palestinian national movements. uh, from the days of josh hi, bash the days of the doors on the 20th. even before that

one of the 3 acres of the pan out of national this movement. uh so. so christians have always been but of the palestinian nationalist movement both because of their commitment as well as didn't use, but also because of their belief and separation of church and state. we say a de la, what about the jimmy or the homeland belongs to everybody, but my religion belongs to god. it's between me and god. what will it take with your work and others to elevate the notion that non violent movements and non violent protest and resistance may be a better answer while we're in the, you know, horrors of war right now. i think what it takes is if you victories, but a student is generally are not a very military people. we have very militant vocabulary. we talk of

blood and guts and power and, and rifles. but actually most of the palestinian political movement from the thirty's to this date has been blake carts appeals to the united nations protest organizing negotiations, alternative forms, hunger strikes for prisoners. most of all are active as it has been non violent, but it has not used a lot of violence. we thought like, and we have used a very violent. we thought it on struggle. the gun will be, uh, no voice shall be raised above the voice of the gun. but, but in, in actual practice, we haven't been very violent in our struggle with the zionism, we have been largely non violent. but we haven't used that a pike. the language of non violence, i mean until the b b s movement,

which sort of in an organized fashion, a tried to use and then virus. but we've had the great much of return in gaza. we have almost daily activities of non violence in the westbank bro. test strikes, hunger strikes, lasting, raising slow goods, raising the flag even getting shots for raising the flag. where if you, on human rights documentation, we have been really very active and then via this. but we haven't usually use the language of the advisors. will we have use the language of on struggles sometimes very bloody violets we we would make the ground burn under the feet of the occupiers, very via and language but, but i would activities have been largely in them. but what is your got tell you

about where this conflict is going well. so 2 things happened on october 7th. one of them was military, that tax of how mess, where says military breach, that was the attack soldiers, the attack military install installations. they took over a number of army bases. they killed about $300.00 soldiers and captured many that was a military operation. nobody talks about it. they also at the civilians at the cvb as hostages. that was wrong. there was a lot of crime in many cases. thank you, hostages civilian hostages. a was, was illegal under international law. everybody concentrates on that portion of

what's happening in october 7 rather than the military aspects. and i think many police didn't use were fascinated with the military aspects. here comes a group that actually breached the war. we tried non violent treat to approach the war, and the snipers killed 62 of us in one day. $62.00 on on the news, walking towards the wall where each killed by snipers in one day. so that people live attracted to the military aspects of i'm starting to which i mess illustrated. that's even under the very difficult circumstances of siege, they were able to do something really generally. so in that sense, it's really helped shift the balance of power, which was so totally in favor of israel. it created a little bit of a,

uh, i wouldn't say a bad idea, but a little bit, it shrunk. the gap between palestinians and israelis. on the other hand, it's really increased the fears and the traumas of israelis. and so that they have for their reaction, was just massive genocide don't. i mean, they, they really went all out to try and recreate the details of is that, but they will never be able to succeed in that. and in that aspect, they will never be able to restore the tenants and restore the element of fear. that's not going to happen. well, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. palestinian human rights lawyer, jonathan, to tab co founder of the palestinian human rights group. our hawk. really appreciate your candor. thank you very much. so what's the bottom line?

evangelical christians are a major force in societies around the world, but the truth is they've helped supplant functioning multi ethnic, multi faith communities around the world with sectarian divisions and religion infused intolerance. and israel, the jewish people have support of many evangelicals because of the role jews play. in the old testament of the bible, they sort of see the jewish people as part of their own story. and conservative christianity brings their political strength to israel's cause. particularly today in this war on gaza. there's just no doubt that religion is a driver on both sides of the palestine, israel issue and all political issues. but the aspects of tolerance and empathy that are part of all religions are getting drowned out by sectarianism and hate the belief that one religion will ultimately prevail above the other. that's dangerous, and it makes it much harder to have discussions on how to bring justice and better lives to both palestine and israel. and that's the bottom line. the

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