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color, the welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. the nigerian government says at least 160 people were killed and attacked by on groups on remote funding communities over the weekend and of a 300 were injured to many, a still missing is the west bonds in the central paso state and move in 5 years, phil is lee to say it began on saturday and continued until monday morning. no group has claimed responsibility, but no magic how does awfully to be responsible? how does and pharmacy have been locked in a decades old conflict to have access to land and both the white house, the my dear in government failed to prevent these attacks. and what does it mean for the countries? why does security problem as it faces, challenges on multiple fronts? we'll discuss all this without guessing just a moment. but 1st, this report by victoria gave somebody so many people were killed in this attack. that being buried in mass graves gunman, rage, villages, and torch times. and properties and nigeria is central plateau states if we

tennessee of the attack of schultz many here get a moment or 2 low bill like i know most or in a con blooded somebody in the house somewhere. i have been out of sight survivors who are members of a farming community, say they were targeted by semi nomadic fidelity capital hood as i started on that on 53. and they tried to issue the order that the guy clearly see no good easily. and there's that big issue with me. i guess the bonus between farm is a new metacognitive link to a password for reduces is climate change in population growth may go to an arab

land more a most guess. let me say most is this says this stupid to this is sold is the latest in the cycle of violence that's threatening to destabilize nigeria. the presence of on groups affiliated with al qaeda as well as all the fight is in the north west of the room. flame tension for the cause of the prison regency is immediately amnesty international says the government is failing to protect nigerians. as the farm is take stock of what's left of that community. they say they've lost most certainly the homes, but what little sense of security they wants half. victoria gave some b, l, g 0 for inside story.

that's bringing all gas now and all of them. and joining us from nigeria in the city of zaria in northwest cadina's state is it's a new scene, a jerry, a country director at understands national and a former journalist in johnston, central paso states, with joined by chris, quite associate professor at the sense of a peace and security studies at nigeria depot, adama, university of the country director of the united states institute of peace and in bulk coast with some of those attacks took place is mussa shams, the commission of information and communication, the passcode state government. if i would welcome to all of you, loose the festival. tell us in your words, what happened over the weekend. first of all, i want to go to the diesel at home for 2 and one does have one doors. on the black 2 on the wall of queen size, a village coverage,

which is bodies between because some of them and we'll call for me 10 blog tiers. and so we're thinking that was just the end of it because there was some military intervention then on the whole community. so i'm trying to to devin body to let the boys went on the same experience and the one that definitely yeah. then the wash and um, as a going to the side of the settings where the situation, people have the most of the ladies, i'm letting people out there on rodney, we're from the homes from the access to our land. they're taking refuge in tom. so we do have so many friends in all the kitchens, so we will go by the stage where um on the case on queens was the reason why they um, booked a cottage. we did orders in, we signed the lease on which came in. so we called and is quite deciding it is

a substitution. what do we do? and then we divide to sort of investigate fairs 100. we're interested to know that in distance north america, no less women who excuse better, what are you i you my annual or your woman? for your sake or you. as you disable the down was a lie was scammed? this case was cute. so it is a sort of scenario, just saw the expands, well known ones will not wish, but this happens again in the future. so what was the military intervention? because this attack went on all weekend around 48 hours. why was the military and i was able to stop it? and what do you want to speak for the military? because the people that automatically qualified to do that? well, you're left to me when you have been submitted to the prestige on investigating this. um that's i got, where can you give me the exact form of the same?

i'll just show me the same zip code where i talked. so you know, the tools will blend door exposure. so it was me, it just seemed clearly clear in time for me to just like the class in the communities and what we as a people not as google is in the security, for example, when it's going to kind of use what happened in blood alone, a demo and you'll be states, they do make sure that um, securities of those communities you had made to part of the police and also to many days where you of the civilians are in stock for us. when we oh, i don't remove the defense comedy. did you get to be the company profile for the department? for the services i moved and then bring them up to speed. i'm making them become part of the security architecture for the oh, you gotta wait. so i just got something that looks like we'll get. we'll get back to the police thing and what can be done in just a moment. first of all, i want to just get a bit more about the actual attack over the weekend. chris is,

lucille says it was well coordinated. i have a 20 communities. what attacks and different places over an extended period of time, suspicion is full and initially on philosophy. how does with witnesses saying they had the local full on a dialect? what do you know about who was responsible for this pick? thank you. thank you very much. i didn't put for me to find a is that's we are confronted with a very serious security by the amount that is being sustained by all that nice clean out of groups. glad to and beyond that, the key issue for me is be on to just probably to name the peasants . would that be from our lead jobs or a nick lands?

uh, that is a put them on the blog. and the problem is that even though the groups are involved in deadly attacks that are sort 50 gifted, highly coordinated on the level of lead, probably 2 weeks we've seen is one that raises the question about what the state is supposed to do. okay? and then again, we'll get going to what the state is supposed to do, but who are these criminal groups, and why are they attacking the way the, i don't know why the attack in, regardless of why the attack in schuman lives, that involved people have been cute people have been displaced, people have been this both sides of their livelihood. but me that's will be the question that that should be, that should be the full cost of okay, combination of these nature and the focus in a minute. let's just bring it in for a moment because i do want to get to the crux of the

a type over the weekends. as far as we can at this stage is what light can you throw on it? well, um, you know, in the data we have been having this kind of things happening for, by a long period of time, especially in the last 10 years we have been, i've been displayed the tops happening. but for i'm, this, the introduction of the most important thing is the send all that i didn't, but so that is to stop this savings and to bring that particular test or suspected for it really, it just, it just is that there's no question because we believe that as long as this things will happen and nothing will happen to opt out at the moment, we just issue quintillions, you know, statements and soon but the messages i'm new here, the next attack up to 2 days. so we add, gradually, see if in depth of impunity, whereby people believe that they can party items inside. it'd be later. i'm sure people get away with it. and we believed that on the international be monday to the

and the, and they said i should, i'm you motorized know, i imagine you post sushi yourself the duty of or touching the people i'm there for . if i do certainly understand the, on the dump much. so we, as you increase in fe, new of the thought it is, and that is the biggest issue. most of what's your response to that? the biggest issue here is the failure of the all thirty's to protect the people from, you know, when, when people get killed. what's the really g, like when we say, here's the government system. i'm going to see lee as well as like i said, is not a blame game. the full laws of these dates move low. so what it is is we've lost all people because even though it's one of the reasons we shouldn't be politically correct at this moment, it is essentially something where we look for the mission so that we don't go to the same set to set and such as the tire, like really, as i said,

10 years isn't going to be on 10 years. this is something the one who or 2 deputies on the be hoping this is a vehicle in the, in neil. how's it going? and you know, because these are the legal met julia the parameter that's one of the major government. these projects on the legs and property or do we. 2 use the government, that's kind of much that does not come on any military. the any police, the single defense because folders call the whole. that's why we're coming busing them slowly. siege and on cool. ready for the 20s. but i don't know if you and was where i am right now. i guess it strange moments are you belong to just to me to do your daughter. but when the really getting money from so far to is the size room on the sun, you want to use the internet working sort of these communities. so the informational homestead, which is only the best people that live within the communities. when does this change at this point where they give intelligence on what's on it?

well, 14000000 people and i do, the people will not be happening yet. the new solution to this, um, mendez is also of what is or to the get the middle things. do you all have any sense of what is essential, admittedly, protecting the communities as i'm like i said, most of you the direct result. so as a government, we also get to us only searching for ways we go, okay, no, i don't. so the course, because christmas has got a strong point that has made that the, one of the key problems here is that the policing is centered at the federal government level, not at the state level. and if there was a community policing mechanism, then perhaps that might, would use the levels of violence that we're seeing spiraling out of control. but what's your response to that chris? from, from the perspective of the us site p. uh,

we have been supporting some bad luck in bundle under what we call the network of menu, then possibly details on one of the key lessons learned from that engagement. well, the people are saying, we are committed to please building. we have plummeted to live in to canada, but daisy short crazy salt for leasing. what in terms of the, in the policy or policing personnel on go around, as well as before, waste chunk of accountability that has not been debt. and that when you took a piece deal with you outside it for a mobile compatibility, we had just ease ease, hundreds to victims. we impunity is dead winter dead. the important issue of public safety becomes something that cannot be accurate. and for us, we want our safety to be guaranteed,

as it can be shown for roles to engage with one. i know that to leave peacefully as we've always been. but the question for me is, when we talk about crises of policing, how many policemen do we have on women in the country to day? the point is that even if you want to deliver on police in the past, so natalie smote bit, and that is we make, the governments of security becomes very important. it's not just the, the police, even the military. we have talking about the country, all 400000000 people with about 300000 policemen, 300000 minute trip us. and then when you divide that citizen totally should have been for the still citizen blue shield. you are talking about one police, pass a minute to about 600 people. how do you delete one of the 3rd pressure you put

leisure is that there is a relatively new president, the president tentative who has come to power a promising exactly that most soldiers more police back to pay better equipment festival. do you believe those promises? i'm 2nd of all how far is that going to go to help address the cause of the violence? i believe that's from these to the extent that as president, he's able to on back to a secular to such or reform. we add this issues. i've listened the context of looking that'd be effective next important. see all the police and i keep that show in the context of been national security strategy that is on ground to the commitment of the leadership of the military and the security institutions to delete. but on the monday of this security to the responsibility on the basis of best buy conditions of the people now the for, for, for, for many of these people,

security sick totally from should be one that is on got on the principle of decentralization, of security. in the car key because you're not stuck up security, we're a simpler life security arrangement is implemented looking at the distance between the federal. so i'm the community fuel level as it is, i'm going to jump in the knee. so i want to get back to the grounds if i could just bring nice or in here at the moment because as we've highlighted already in the program, this has these attacks. so not a new phenomena, phenomena we've seen. hundreds of people killed over the last 5 years, maybe longer in salt attacks that cold land grabs its people. fighting over land. can you tell us? see, so what's happened to the villages and the land off to they've been attacked and the people have fled. well, um, most to me, i've taught this uh, you know,

atrocious attacks, goldman mic for miss people to be from displaced. people had to go back to the, on the, a few people would manage to go back and reset them into a lot of people. the younger people to move to into the seat is on the open areas of the remaining people have to move to infinity, dismiss parsons comes and that actually 3, it's a big guy, humanitarian kwanzaa. and of course, and i get it and i did. it is mo, data. with that intentionally dismissed persons comes everywhere. and most of these people nearby get justice, which we believe i missed. the injection of that is that should be the 1st priority and they're going to junior to the minute in those internally displaced process comes without justice, without any support, without eval, it won't do, you know, an understanding that something has been done to address the needs

a way they what dismissed from their phones. so the county is, you know, increasing the, i'm graduating, creating, got a humanitarian crises. that is not showing you, but yes, funding and it is going to be dissolved as for us for it, for me. so when we talk about justice for people who are being forced out of the hands of last the lines of last, the livelihoods, what efforts are being made on that front to re establish these communities, all, all they so be lost, forever come, we will, the displaced who but again it says to me, because this attack, someone who to london. okay. but that's why this was in the these program this to get it is, is i know, but it is communities. how's it going towards the people we have them to deal with those? like i told you, the vice president on that was his boss. ideas come to help on this for the

assessment, or what are some of the doors. so wanted time to give you the range? well that's the innovation is not going to be to me is news. when you book enough towards your left to face, feel free to come in. we are going to responsive who i'm responsible. oh, i want to respond appropriately. but let me just make sure i'll be more robust as i struggle. hillsdale actually do even to live will never be the same again because you will have the mental scott, we have who came by tonight. don't the night too slow. tell you a really honest issue going is that people so the let me do the octomom. how's it going to going to make sure we give them an exposure that we listen this too much experiences. and i'm like, i told you, we have more we can do, you know, the most valuable piece and don't really did what we're doing way already. a surprise in the oh, that's so on. so some level piece, the only thing i do is i tech skimming with lots people here. sorry to hear you

sound good when you have that, but the people will feel comfortable enough safe enough to return to the villages often as violence tax as well. um i, i think the issue is, you know, um many people uh, even if they go back to the line. uh they had me as the said uh they had leave some peace of mind because they would honestly braces themselves up for the next attack . and that is really not so good to psychologically and the issue is, you know, we have constantly being so why is it so difficult for the. ready government to just conduct any investigation apprehended, the suspect that perpetrators bring them to justice so that even those who have the incentive to don't do sign of crimes wouldn't see the outcome of what happened to this will have led me to the scene and that thing and then there wouldn't be detect, but the continues to uh,

to bring this people to adjust it. so they've been conduct an investigation. it's, you know, the government hospitalized forces. it hasn't been try a good month to do anything it, it has been utilized immediately. unfortunately, the last of this board nodded people, i don't think it is a priority for the government, and that is why when a boat research you conduct on investigation because you cannot know the thoughts and you will not be able to introduce the problems and improvements that detaches attacks without conducting get portal and if activity investigation unfortunately, the government has repeatedly on quantities of sam to carry out this kind of investigations. and that is why as an organization we believe that that is why this cleaning the guns and this gunmen are finding it been easy. and i a feeling that they can just jump into implemented to equipment to acquire. bill comes factors implied to this month. and they post office in some part of the next month. and

that's what happened today. of course, do you agree with that? do you agree that the key problem? well, one of the key problems here is that this is simply not a priority for the government to investigate and find out who's responsible and been bringing the pop traces to justice. the yeah, the privatize ation of citizens security should be the foundation upon which every government must operate outside that you will have the kind of cases where the language implied to in kaduna and civil that bustle. nigeria. secondly, accountability with people not made to account for the actions and actions. now, accountability must be framed up to levels of comfortability from the prospect chief bulk cleveland. that's what basically describes the mostly felt the comfortable comfortability from the prospect chief of the middle fissions. we

modeled each to protect citizens. we had the field to do that. they should also be held accountable. what mean, what sites the vice president is the username using, the vice president of the best thing. so just to interrupt again because then we can bring loose around at this point because it's saying that the vice president is that where these attacks are taking place. can we expect the government to launch an investigation in the coming days and to truly see count, those who are accountable and bring them to justice, the blood to what we have of that is some piece. that's why it was the same results . the one face when the to be way very these will be, will, the engine does to us. and on the is going to here is, um, is going to be was confidence that this. um, i say last this to is to be brought to based on the didn't just calling a lot. he came here with the chief of defense,

the national security advice up on all the tree. i'll put together my products with all the she started services always and those i'll, that's the reason why i'm asking people is that these are to those to be brought to book. this game is going to an end. so the business is with down to and will is dish on with the lines being cut out without them deliberately will be taking away from there. like i said, we got different lines, but that's not the beauty. the responsibility is given to doing to people in the hallways and because usual, so when you come out, take the less buy's really don't forget defending though and then well. so because that's what the government deductible was on the, like i said, we do not because we do not have developed to go monday. we do know that you don't want to give orders. so those are as westwood to do that i believe we want to do that. so that's the next day. i'm going to one of the talking about this thing again. well, that's the big question. that's funny. so do you think we will be talking about

this again in 2024? i believe so i'm not, uh, this is not a something to be happy to see me. but i don't think that i any signs of commitment to accountability to commit to men, to bring in profit traits as to justice, commit them into n d o. impunity. i don't think uh that is any site whatsoever to show that the anything we can see in 2024 we have to remain on the list on the side of, of the team is in. but with the cutting the bunks. you know, i don't think they lead or they have shown any commitment to doing something different from the previous governments who was in charge when power. those are people who us know touch us an idea. uh, we have to do know to push a deed us to do that i think to prioritize the lives of this people in the run of unity, especially the problem, the communities. and you know,

gunmen are being frontage in this one community is not making flat to look for mission. been we a cost nigeria. so why would this be displaced as much as the bell on government or something or that is not what already. so that is no any site and whatsoever that the oratory is just winning or for me to degree anything to change the kind of situation with that. okay, well on that note we will have to leave our discussion the money. thanks today for our guests. joining us as a new see chris, the quadra, and lisa shams. i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website. that sounds a 0 adult. com for further discussion to go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. it wasn't during the conversation on x all handle is as a inside story from me laura co and the whole team here is bye for now. the

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