the, the, the table codes in africa during the past year. that brings to 9, the number of governments. i'll sit on the consent says 2020. all that common factor. so all these takeovers isolated and what could we see in the coming? yeah, this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle the past year. so 2 successful

crews in africa, internationally. they were met with condemnation bought in asia. the gap, one celebration 9 minutes because have been carried out in africa in full years, often and countries which and result is but with poverty, a reality of daily life. so many research shows a confidence has a regular political lot people with at least $200.00 attempted or successful crews carried out since the 1950s. recent ones that involve for an intervention either from former colonial powers, all of those back infections or supplying madison res. so have these over 3 years of the past few years, being driven by local precious while they positive a wind to do political struggle between the east and west will be asking these questions and more of all guess shortly. but 1st, this report from victoria gave me, as africa is no stranger to military twos. and this year that will 2 more in july, members of the presidential god as much as president mohammed, but su,

removed him from office the following month. the president of good boned ali baba was ousted by all means offices. that was the 9th coup in africa in 3 years. the others had been the news and this, the whole region. the consequences of the ministry take leave is have themselves fall beyond the boulders of those countries raising doubts about the resilience of democratic governments and regions. it's known suffered instability, the remedy, full effective democracy is more democracy, not less democracy through military goals. so my hope when to 2024 is that advocates would be why so as we approach a governance issues and the ways we found to, to, to bring up are more effective to look at the government as than going through 100 matter of the gone, the twos will condemned by the united nations, the african union, regional blog, echo us and the united states. and many wisdom power is

a concern. they'll increase rushes influence on the continent. work at the the whitening group of russian medicine raises active in several african nations. particularly in this, the hill region where the number of armed groups and the taxes increased in recent years. obviously these community does have got away with it and have got russian support to keep them in power uh box. so, but i would, i would doubt that, that would be for the, for the cruise that will be attempts, but i, i suspect, as in sierra leone recently, these will be supported. the elections is scheduled in many african countries next year. and the strength of democratic governments on the continent is expected to come on to renewed scrutiny. victoria gates and b l. g 0 for inside story. the. oh, that's bring in august now and in london, alexis i could year i'm managing at the,

at the news website. so i'm a full africa in a boucher. it could be a adamic managing director of beacon consulting. that's a security risk management, unintelligence provider in nigeria, as a health region. demonica molly is moose, a condo executive director of the health institute diesels, or formerly subbed as special adviser to the card interim presence of money. a see me going to say, well, welcome to all of you. come here. let's start with why we have seen so many successful cruise in this region in the past year, although any common threads that we can pull out to and thank you for the, the coming trip trans. uh uh the for issue to kind of make the changes the most frequent concrete facing. so some of the jo, political developments that have created, unfortunately what the, some of course i've described the perfect storm in most african countries. and if

you got to the effect of climate change, especially in the increase, then you find that the fisher economy conditions in those countries would make it very easy and a 100. well, that's the prayer for me that any military club that would one to truncate a democratic government and then in those countries. so the reason that i've been cited for those, what funds, those who did that include, for instance in think you really include issues around the economy. it also includes issues around so sometimes that like in the case of new jersey and the car auction, and i did that. unfortunately the do political element where we've seen countries like russia, the united states, and then chronics and china. also having some influence, which in most of this,

this countries them, so it's become like a playground, a tossed war between, between all of this country. so these are some of the common trends that courts across what is it, i think the failure of and uh, you know, think you would get picked up re, far to, to a, to a point where the military see if itself was not involved in governance. but subject in itself to the democratic institutions. okay. let's move in as a man. then on monday mostly he was full, may special adviser to the current into the present statement goes a he was involved in both the 2020 and the 2021 cruise. why did he do it? thank you so much. i will not be able to answer to a discussion in place of assume a good time. but what i can say is, uh the quote did not just come out uh from no, we're me, molly. as part of this, say t i been in a part of the move mean uh,

pushing for change for government is for security. for more than 6 months practice industry in bama co against elected government of hot you brought him about kind of data. but nothing happens, and the possibility for a political actors defined a joy position and also find it come on the ground for a solution to this problems which was political problems in the beginning. so is at the end of the day when the government was really we need to buy to protest for this 6 small that the many pretty jump into the, into the game and the co and took over the power. and is this whole band many civilians as mice? so joining them because they call, they said we ended up this to really on support test for better government. the government is in about 10 quarter attended security issues and we joined the

government to support and, but i knew the end of the days i was applying it to or to resign for many. uh i what i will call you up is another reasons. but to just decide because uh as my produce, as i just mentioned, i just want to add another reason before don't take very closely, which is this slow disaster. we're going so we can decide what region do department change. people don't mention a lot because we have seen the shrinking of fall literally road spaces. uh places are no more gray and no more water on the stop phase. so people are moving from one place to another place, i mean by thousands for living spaces. and this creates a lot of tension between communities and creating lot instability and security of combined thing. and so these are been, is putting in space as the incapacity and incompatibility of the elected government to solve the problems. because the problem is behind the shoulders and would seem

to send military what's been thinking is altima attempt to solve the problem facing the same challenges as up and essentially going to get the climate change. i'm going to alexis, i want to bring you in at this point because as mussa suggested and showed, as many of these crews have significant civilian support. is this the case to all of these countries? democracies failing the people? i think there's definitely an element of people being frustrated with, i like to governments that they feel are not doing the work to provide for them in terms of security and in terms of affordability in terms of cost of living, i think what we soon haven't been mentioned in great that so far is the last thing impact of supply chain shocks that we see with the back of the covers pandemic. and then what is the impact of the board and ukraine pushed up the cost of living? right, so that's right, top of food inflation,

which is been galloping the people struggling with the cost of living. and then as well as that, then in certain situations, as we've heard, footprint increased tension of a fight. if our pool line dwindling was all physical, the climate change, and then as well as that there is a list and such. and so because of that, they're looking to look to government. somebody just think these people not delivering so they get frustrated. but one thing i would say is we should culture and see the difference between this popular support the when say on a popular uprising in the case of public naja and got all these, what will put your new stick cruise essentially publish cruise, whereby with him is uh, we had a presidential call to was about to pull, so he took his opportunity and then she wrote a waiver and 2 front sentiment and that frustration of i mentioned i'd like to government an simulating couple that was popular frustration. but then the minute you took the opportunity,

i wrote that wave of support to stay in power. so it's not so much that the popular or the popularity of the people meant that they pushed for the crew is just that they didn't push. a dentist appointment is compared we've identified the increased cost of living tensions, of arable land, pool security being key reasons that have created this perfect storm that you mentioned a full a crew. the big question then is have any of these qu, lead is delivered on any of these areas? have they improved lives for any of the country? people who live in these countries where they've taken over and um, the reality is so unfortunately, no, uh, not the kind of takes me to, um, my for discussion from money to a site that you know, the simple it is all the us by the heart of the reason the of called a some of the reasons given by any who and you know,

who pissed in money. i've been security. and where at the moment, especially with the departure of the united nations and mission and then to several of the my electro support except for the russia in money. it's very difficult really to look back and see the progress is made by the cookies. stop in a chief or other um, the situation at the moment is one of dire consequences. and given the impact that it would have on this, i have a lot of goals. and in fact, and in the year away, i'm the flow. we funds from the price of the conflict, the money i've seen, but that significantly, countries within the federal, including many years. so it's really almost impossible to look back. i'd say o, any of the problem is it's the reason for we to do the stuff given has been achieved me. so if, if we look at molly again, particularly we've seen promises of a transition to civilian rule by the middle of this year. just recently. the

government from government has postponed, that's alexa. and that was supposed to happen due to so called technical reasons how fearful i you, that you're not going to see those elections and that that will not be a transition to civil. busy rule any time soon. i a thanks so much the description of buttons the 1st cruise and i think they've completely failed. that's to be very clear they, it's obviously failed to bring the solution for the problems. people are still going to been fighting against the elected government were just to give it to the go button for action that also kind of stability for look at. they kind of mean for, for quite everyone. so talking about the election, you know, the model, the case of molly is different than the other countries. molly is not one person. i did the pool, we have 5 color males with the pool. so each of them represent it kind of

a part of power in them so. so that means we're going to be the president and the ones this person is the president who's going to be what going to be the role of the others. so they this suspicious, i would say a mom of them, so would create a lot of patients and preventing them to find one person in the go to the election end for short, medium is find wait until the 9th the election in the coming days. but you're going to be really tough and also the side of the civil society and the political actors to say, to push towards the election because electrons means one elected president. when all the powers, which is not the case actually incorrectly going into the field of getting money. so the other reason is the funding the money to fund the election, where we're gonna find is that like the does money. so what am i calling from? is it just putting the fingers on on the plan up did the living up all the united

mission mission, a lot of blood by legs or all of factories about the russian pregnancy, mothers that giving supporting mulligan development? are you going to expect? you know, they are selling big guns. they are selling weapons. that is it, and have to that what russia is bringing to mind. is it going to be nothing. so that means not a look again. i think the election of 2nd is the part of who going to fund the election in way. we're going to find it. we're going to be the candidate and for what reason. they're cutting, they deal with the vehicle was in other international organizations. and that's why the of the money and government get rid of the un peacekeepers because, you know, is all, is the reason to find it is and stuff and for the problems, that's what we have seen since the french, as you mentioned, the i just sent it is something that it gives friends a difference for sure, friends did not. did some nice big mistakes in this. i have

a region that doesn't bother, but also pointing fingers on the others as there was a sample of the problems we cannot solve. as we thought of this strategy of a, i would say the primitives, sir, and even though it's what it is of the transition, and molly def tips people away from the very specific problems, people being fighting and waiting for result. so now the smart has been saying, i'll say after 10 years of prison, but it was, you could not solve bins, you could not solve that, you could not solve this one. so now we are good by our entire territory, according to what it is, why and what we cannot organize the legs and it has we control the entire territory of model as we talk about as of what anything. and now after the minutes, by the next problem we're facing now, is it tension diplomatic tension between money and i'll give you. okay, just depends on how we get into that, alexis, i want to bring you in. so i want to look a bit more about the front of a link,

but we are seeing running through so many of these countries that have faced cruise, particularly these advocate of faso. and molly, all 3 of these countries have expelled french ministry from the board as why is this such a strong anti french sentiment? i think ultimately is the claim you hung over from french rule and the fact that the french never really left their side the front is continued influencing its former colonies and let the frustration so full talk put is a um, funds for like heavily on is as you rang and as a big part with energy mix for its unclear energy policy. now, people with him is a, i'm of the former french companies began to feel about for the reasons that revolt, where they stated that culture of life was not great because of the was coming up that they were struggling with poverty they were struggling with is listening sections and they felt that faults was benefiting because faults are benefiting

politically and that front had business interest in those countries. and then in terms of the troops that just felt the metrics was delivering, in terms of being on the front foot and being muscular enough to quell these. and such and screw have ties to. if i'm excited and i'll call you to in a number of different countries, so they wanted someone to be more effective. so they just felt like they weren't getting anything they felt like they were getting more fail. and then this one is that they felt that. busy different attitude towards them was paternalistic and in some circumstances may be called defend thing. where is the question? for example, we purposely set themselves up as being something of a partner instead. so when you look at the, the type of propaganda that the russians have put towel through, developed and power, minute trick for, they've always set themselves up as being partners. and so they're going to be effective. i'm happy and effective in terms of what they've done for adults in the

central african republic, which is why these religion says, have now looked for russia as opposed to fonts. and you know, we, so with the jump for money, for example, what do you, when there's also to inflation of issues because in some cases, the french and also the un, assuming cells as peacekeepers. and what they do is a deal with logistics that don't necessarily fight aggressively on the battlefield in a way that some of these alterations would vote wherever we send the questions come in. now to be fed, the russians have been accused of human rights abuses and magnificent countries, but it's not a salt thing dot, but the local military warners would want to say they would want to be seen as being aggressive. and it wouldn't say that these abuses of power required to be just, they would just say that these people that were being killed are in searches. okay, cuz they, well, what do you think of the russian involve bins and it's moving in to fill the,

the vacuum being left by fronts and all those i mean, the rate is coming from the countries where russia were to bring disquiet. um, you know, huge has been one of them, you know, a disappointment, nothing where in other words, while the military class and definitive instances, the government seem to find on the east end, the fact that russia is stepping into steel with the buttons, the by the end of the civil society to an extended political class and then um, the leads of finding it quite strange that um, you know this, this governments i think where have exit at friends. but then, then brief in russia, under relationships, which i don't deal with is one of exploitation where for instance, russia is more interested in the resources in this country. i need them being paid by different thoughts on without any meaningful technological inbox. whether in

terms of technology, trends, file or development of those resources locally, nothing of that's what a lot of ribbon been from, from what we're monitoring within the country. not necessarily, but by the government. the audit to that unfortunately, is also um, you know, the conspiracy to your, the information i'm missing information, but we're seeing especially we didn't just push out of media space, but seem to be tearing the influence of both rochelle and then where we've seen a talk. what between russian and united states that he's also playing into the hands of those who are not interested in the really them same rush as present. and if i have, i mean just concrete. okay, got them what to do, but to me so let's look a little bit more likely and look at the regional pulse and go echo as it sort of it looms large over with these kids. the ultimately did nothing could achieve nothing, cuz not turn back the clock on any of these military maneuvers. but to what extent

did it sets up the stage for these takeovers to happen in the 1st place by lessing? lead is out. stay the welcome. in these various countries where they've been given to times and change the constitution for 3. to what extent do you think of i collapsed with all the regional books to blame? yeah, uh, this has been very important point concerning the origin. the body is, uh, as you mentioned, it was in the, in western africa. so the problem is the rules tends to support the ones who are in power, but nothing can cause the direction, the needs of the pollution. and obviously the perspective and abuse in of this generation because we have been so like the growing been so rapidly, the import was materials and was, seems not to be following the expectations of the police and in the, in the community. we're, you mention the,

i'd say cost that there's no change of government by civilians, but nothing happens in terms of and it said, documented the of incl was. but when people, you know, protest and didn't lead to a military intervention. now we have the materials and the most speaking. so this has been a really, we think we've been playing a minute. that awful echo was where we, we are right now. it just plain it's surviving games. that's why we've been the way the point forward on new jersey cave. they've been threatening to send the military, the whitening of forces for new. sure. and then they stepped back. a show like your oh so now what is next? next is to understand what the needs of the completion, not the needs of the elected ones, because they elected ones. and that's what we need to be heard here and decrease and update the aisles of the box. a state office to have my i didn't use any work

enough of so and so people say this is april was of elected president, not the elect vehicle was i'll population. so how we can design all of days. the material has to need to, to meet for some of the countries and meet modeling does in, you know, what even that wouldn't facing, people uh, rebuild effecting they do nothing to support this country is definitive. it integrates the problems. so this, i've set them point of thinking of for brand, for a goal was to see the next year as an opportunity to really doing under a competitive thing to echo as well will be examining itself in this way. do you think it doesn't recognize the needs of the people? i think it don't mean to connect to the ext an that the, the 3 major are going to be the next was have reflected on almost all the

developments within the so bridges and the box that accordingly, they've made mistakes, no doubt. and my quote is custom bench on the track of the military and dimensions . however, well, we don't because enough about the fact that the training of military intervention was part of several of the, you know, interventions including the economic function that is incorrectly. even within that, i know there are discussion that saw what was done was not exactly right. so there is some room for improvement. but i think it to be on the 5th of the not they are not listening to the needs of the people that the instruments i didn't want until the ministry improve on the effectiveness of some of those instruments. but it wouldn't be really okay to see they're not listening to the needs of the people. okay. alexis do have facing a class and that is the future governance of the region. the i facing the cost. i think the 20 the right thing. i think they underestimated the importance of getting

that message across in terms of communication. so i agree that they definitely have the interest of the people that hall, but i think they're losing the public on the whole. because those economic function, for example, just means that it's really hard for the people. and they haven't got to cost the fact that they can. and then really they made a number of missteps by being some muscular in the 1st instance and fretting the possibility of monitoring prevention. because now they look too fast, because i didn't follow up on that many thanks to all i guess for joining us today, alexis or claire, i quit jerome's cup a dial move and lisa come today. thank you very much for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's ounces or dot com. the discussion to go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com slash a j inside story. you'd also turn the conversation on x or handle as as a inside story for me laura kyle:

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