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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on him older ukrainian president and not him is a landscape denies that many of the believe the will and ukraine. is it a stalemate? this much, much fall in financial and military aid. i'm managing to hold russian forces back you claims efforts on the battlefield. have one little ground recently, bipartisan support for ukraine and the u. s. has disintegrated, threatening funding with uncertainty to pose by next year. is us presidential election for russia. they have been high and military casualties, but it seems to have weathered much of the economic damage from wind ranging sanctions. so what could happen militarily and politically in 2024. and will it be a decisive year and the war will be asking these questions and more of, i guess shortly, but 1st, victoria, jason, be looks at how the was momentum shifted over the past year to

this time. last year. hoops will high in ukraine that it's minute tree could press home the advantage of the game that tools and a push russian food is out of much of the territory they'd seized is 2022. 0 yeah. that hasn't happened. and the front line has barely moved. now, keith is increasingly worried about the future of western aid for it's worth it. ukraine has had a very, very difficult year, and it's been made more difficult by debates that have been happening in the united states and europe. about how the west can continue to send that financial aid and military aid going forward. russian president vladimir putin se se setbacks. the international criminal quotes indicted him for real crimes committed to gates, ukrainian children that made it impossible for him to travel to many countries. benny faced the biggest challenge to his authority and his move in 2 decades in

power. a mutiny by the wag, no mess and re group it backfired. putin diffused the revolt and reassert it is hold on the kremlin, prouder. emma shrugged the part of 2 by flag the chief and mutilated. you have any provision was killed in a plane crash months later, militarily peace and go to victory. he wanted in a fight for the bombed out city of bass. moot analysts say west and sanctions or damaging, but not crippling. the russian economy. the domestic from this became pretty quick . he's managed to protect the war as a 5 russia against the west and the rest and somebody who's buying it. and they are going to sacrifice the human lives and also economically and so that the most of the comments directs what the war a decent is playing a waiting game. calculating the western powers will be fractured by political divisions and rated by will fatigue and the support for ukraine will crumble down. let's say nato is committed to supporting ukraine and will likely drag owns route

2024, victoria gates and b i, which is a rough inside story. that spring in august. and moscow is pablo fell going, how a russian military and defense analyst enroll michael boss of to global affairs analyst and senior fellow at the atlantic council. you raise your center and in dublin is chris. we foot chief executive officer of macro advisory that say strategic consultancy with the focus on russia and the duration region 8. very well and welcome to all of you, mr. feldman howell. let me start with you in moscow. russia seems to be out spending out manning alpha gunning ukraine. just how strong is the russian position entering 2024 as well. the rest of the position? yes, it's strong and of course fresh is a much bigger country with more population that much more robust, industry defense industry. and also it has lots of oil and natural gas,

another resources it can be sold on the market and ship grain the past few. so, i mean, the ukraine versus russia. well, that's a foregone conclusion. but of course, ukraine has outlines and the west and other industrial nations of a so called ranch time group of about the mentions which have in together about, well, maybe a 100 times more g, d, b, rush should. this of, of course, their commitment is not toto. so as a result, there is a kind of the still make a bloody still made on the battle to the where the stalemate in all respects of this prospect. where neither side has a decisive, severe we are t. yeah, absolutely. so a stand still the and 2nd, just stand still along most of the frontline,

despite major fighting high casualty rates and the military rags missed a both. so if you, let me bring you in here, in the military's rags, they certainly seems to be a growing opposition in ukraine for post. soviet management styles within the senior leadership is ukraine at its most perilous position since the russian invasion 92 years ago. so um, i wouldn't say that i think kinda ukraine has a lot in its arsenal in his back pocket that it has him deployed. yeah, and for example, it is getting those highmore as missiles from the united states, the more powerful ones, the ones with a longer range. and i'm told that some of them may be care capable, actually of not only poke a hole in that kurtz straight braids, which is mr. pretends pet project, but also a bite of military supply line for russia. but it could be obliterated completely. so i think we've yet to see that real fire power being used. um,

the other kind of wild card here is that even though there's something like 61000000000 um on the line from the united states to provide to you credit with more 8 and 50000000000 from here in your hopefully that will come proof for your credit but if it does, and the other wild card is to $300000000000.00 or so in front of frozen rocks and assets in western countries, canada, us, uh, belgium, places like that. so if the western allies were to get their act together and be able to unfreeze that and get it ukraine's way, i think that could really put your grant over the top in terms of being able to strike back even more with more advanced wiper rate. because we fit in, in dublin, that's a very big weld cost, isn't it? using frozen russian assets in western nations against russia, or how likely is that as well. we hear that the officials in brussels and

washington of course, are talking more about it. they're pushing for it, state the want this, but it's against still opposition to or against it. advice from, from the legal community and from the c. b a protector who are, are concerned that any such move against sovereign mass is a central bank, as is, would leads to, you know, kind of a prolonged legal claims against the ticket where most of the money is now frozen. and in particular could undermine confidence. in the, the euro and in the europe, your zone for asking, you know, say, i don't remember, this comes at the time when tomorrow, the bricks, community, and which china rush of course, are very dominant. but that expands with the exclusion of countries like egypt and saudi arabia. so freezing, you see these officials of all reset to freezing arc, sorry, looking to confiscate and use russian solver and assets could lead to

a backlash against your, by these broader bricks, tennessee. so it's a political ambition, but it comes against a lot of caution. a lot of concern by those in the e. c. b and the legal community. yeah, that remains a big if something we have seen as sanctions or the needy last 2 years. and as well mentioned, despite those sanctions, the russian economy shows focus from the russian economy that it's growing. and mr . feldman how just, how effective, how much of an impact have the sanctions had washer has found incredible ways of circumventing them, hasn't it? it was being done to try to circumvent the sanction. sometimes that's more successful sometimes. not the russian g d b this year. yes, it is wrong, but in a one time situation that slow rather than normal because of this war, it's a kind of industrial war across it pro 20 century industrial war. that means

there's increase to budgetary spending. increased uh, another trip reduction. that good does that play the ged? yes and percentage points, it will grow. but that does not mean that everything in russia is very fine and thinking it's not that the fact that they pull their, their serious problems. russia does have problems. plus, your brain has lots of problems, and that's why the, you, mr. felton, how would you say the bigger problem, the problem? what would you say the biggest problems and challenging, facing challenges facing russia to the russian? a production of modern weapons, though, there's been a lot of talk, but this increased them. it doesn't increase, but from a very low star. so there's not enough. and then the really modern weapons their problems in reducing modern drums, modern brains, modern tags,

and the say there's a very serious problem with civil aviation purchases. there is going to be the $1000.00 new several aviation planes by the year 2030. but that seems rather foss searched and rushes a very, very big country, the better rather bad roads without civil aviation, the country is more, maybe i should begin to disintegrate, possibly, if they're going to be very serious problems. and everyone knows that. so there's a lot really for the pressure would need to make better. and that's why you're really trying to get some kind of a ceasefire right now. i mean, to stabilize the situation as it is, wouldn't be seen, most likely of moscow is advantageous. oh, that's interesting. my cool both actually one of the challenges for your crime that really struck out to me is that you know,

the west is urging ukraine to keep going. with this war effort bought the average age. i was waiting for. the ukranian armed forces is $43.00. it's 35 by comparison for russia, i mean, was a forced, by the young. are they not? does the fact that you claim soldiers of almost middle age man? what does that mean for manpower? yeah, well i think the biggest problem is that the men and women on the front lines have spent waiting too much time without a break. so we were saying that the emergence of protests and cube and other cities of mothers and wives and sons and daughters are really loving the creating government. what time limits on how much time a day the trip to spend at the front line. so that's why we're now hearing the news of a possible mass mobilization, $500000.00 plus ukrainians, which for the of those other guys have a break at the front line. we'll see if that happens. but it does indicate that

ukraine has to kind of change that mix of people who are exciting. of course, the other thing that's happening is you well, no or the barrage of drones and missiles that mr. put in is sending over, including the one just a few days ago and just overnight in the past 24 hours to kind of queue. um, i think that indicates that all is not well on the russian side of the front line that mr. brewton is resorting to a very cowardly way of fighting by sending messages and drawings to the ways of maternity hospitals, scores, churches, anyone who does that. you know, it's tough to call them a strong dictator. i think you have to call them a got word. so you can't know was that, and i think there's a limited supply of how many missiles they can send over. it's very expensive then one more thing. if i may kind of wildcard as well, or ron is a big backer of russia in terms of supplying drones. but, you know, they're also,

uh that is, you know, um, backing has the law and to come us and guys, um and uh, a lot of, uh, thinking now is that they will be facing much more not even the not just sections but strikes as well to limit their capabilities as well. of course there has been a lot of attention on israel's war on gaza. mr. feldman, how let me bring you in here? how does ma schofield could moscow gain from the attention that has been on israel's will on guys a hasn't mentioned that there's less attention on what rushes doing and ukraine. he says, well, maybe there was some hope that that would be the case. but the seeing that that as well, a fully play out for many european countries of the rush, the premium russian conflict is much closer to home than the one in the middle east . so to conflicts at the same time doesn't mean that each conflict or to bind to

benefit or some other going to benefit from the other. i don't see right now, much changing. don't this call that yes, in the west there's going to be a change of heart. and basically there's hope that the western governments will begin to apply pressure on the yes to find some kind of. busy ceasefire situation, a freezing of the present state to scroll more or less. i mean, that's called the find the korea and the, the decision. what happens in the korean war when there was of whether you still manage to attend that in the truce on the line of control. and of course the wrong, the rock or the ac is also the industrial war. and that in that, in that truce eventually. but that doesn't always happen. the 1st world war also is the, the stalemate. but there's, and there's a, one of the sides collapsing. so it's either that a ceasefire on the winds,

as it is right now in the coming maybe months or come a year for mainly southern we wanted, besides the buying to products list a way for do you see what do you think on this, on what mr. feldman, how is saying, do you see wisdom countries pushing any pressure on ukraine to accept some kind of a sci fi? do you see them using more economic sanctions? more economic tools at the disposal in 2024 especially given how the sanctions have been circumvented. as well as, i mean, obviously we can just uh, comments on what we hear uh from from the us, from europe. where on the one hand its tier, there is difficulty in the white house and the commission getting more financial supports for ukraine. but on the other hand, all politicians are equally clear in their continuing support for ukraine and in this conflict, uh, a terry, this is going to be

a bigger issue. this coming is 2024. we have the us selection, of course, the major ones november there would be also likely parliamentary elections in the united kingdom, of course, which is a big backer of ukraine and other elections as well around the world. so it's, you know, it's something we are going to see debaters more and more, but i would expect we will see more sanctions that we've already heard from brussels. that there is some for piracy work being done for the 12th and even the 13th round of sanctions. but it is becoming more difficult for the u. d. c. to get consensus. we saw how long it took to get approval for the sanctions that were just and as the, in the most recent packaged 11 package because of objections from se brussels against the diamond sanctions they hungry against uranium sanctions, etc. so it's based becoming a lot more difficult. um let me just say though it's, you know, obviously just cover thing on the year. we just had, as you said,

the rest of the economy has performed much better on almost all of friends of g p is likely to be somewhere between $3.00 and $3.00. now percent, the trade current account surfaces are rising towards the end of the year. so a big improvement, particularly in the 2nd half of the year when oil income rose. so as russia goes into 2024, it is facing warhead wins. um, 1st of all, of course the, the comparison, the bases year in year the growth numbers won't look as goods and 1224 against 23. i, but also the oil prices a lot lower globally, the price of brands. it's a lot lower because of concern over the chinese economy, etc, which will limit russia's income and also weak starting to see some upstate more difficult aspects of the financial sector. sanctions in particular, it means for example, india is finding it difficult to pay russia for the oil that it's importing it

wants to pay. but of course, with these are controls and i'm therefore, would require that this money is not coming up to russia as quick. so 2024 won't be a disaster or it won't be kind of a like a down here for russia, but it will be a more difficult years and we've had in 2023. there are more head winds building for short because of the accumulation to share in volume of sanctions in place. and mr. boss. okay, what about 2024 percent of the prospects for ukraine given the elections that mr. we've mentioned the us presidential election. the u. k. elections, european parliament elections. yeah. i'm sure, as you claimed, worried about the prospect of a trump presidency. sure. and i'll get to that in a 2nd. but if i can just throw in a couple of more figures, i mean with very, very limited resources. ukraine has been able to destroy about 20 percent of the russian black fleet. and according to atlanta council figure is about 50 percent of

russian conventional military capability. so if you're talking about headwinds in 2020 part for rush for that's going to add to it. i think come, yeah, absolutely. the us selection especially, is going to be a really, really big factor in terms of what happens between ukraine and russia. i think mr. put in is trying to run down the clock, keep the work going until the likes, and hoping that trump, or mac or republican will get in. and then within the 1st few days of the administration kind of deal that won't be in ukraine's favor. so a lot of concern in key is about that, where the election will go enhance. that's why there is an urgency right now to get that's of 61000000000 or so and funding released. but uh, you know, i just travel to many, many countries around the world and i still feel that among the electorate, the support for supporting ukraine is high just quickly. the reason why being that

a lot of people are beginning to realize that we're a sole inter, connected these days that if russia decides to further weaponized food of energy migration, this will have immediate, almost immediate run medications for electrons, uh, electricity around the world. but despite that support that you were speaking about, if we haven't seen the us, congress approves at $61000000.00 in aid to ukraine. mr. feldman how to view and moscow looking ahead to these elections in the west and that you can, you will be in parliament. what's the rush of hosting for, as well, there is some hope, but not that very much understood that in the uh, sooner rather than most likely in january uh, the america, and i'm in the beltway and washington, and they'll figure out their internal problems and a crate and it's going to be in the pipeline and the ages buying to come from european nations. so no split thing that much hopes that there is going to be an

immediate change your part. but there is hope that the, the grow, the continued of blood shift to continue and war uh, and then being a, uh, resolve of botox, which will bring a change of heart in the west. that is the, that's more of a long term, or probably would be, there is some hope on that, but not the mediately and mr. vasa to what would it take? again, heading into 2024. what do you think it will take? well spoken about many of the challenges for ukraine to not lose the school. so well, ukraine is making some right moves. so for example, they've triple defense production within ukraine. they managed to clump down on corrupt actors who have ripped off the army in other parts of the government. this

is a very, very bad signal for the west disease. and um, i think the other thing that has to happen in washington is they the white house and the state department. how to get over it is inexplicable of mine said, where is rock, shaw and plough is because of the war and ukraine and other factors that there are headwinds that this is actually not a bad thing. but there's a mindset that that can be allowed to happen in the other one. i still think in many capitals around the world, including and we're in washington, mr. put in is still direct his threats of nuclear, tactical nuclear weapons. and that sort of thing is still making a decision makers over their nervous, so they have to get over these, this mindset. and i think that will further allow ukraine to strike, for example, deeper inside the inside rice and,

and especially legitimate and military and targets. those have to be taken care of as well. mister way. so do what do you think the chances are of russia, including how much of a hindrance do you think the west has? the west has been in your claims. and you, cranston support of your claims rather as well. and there is no evidence right now that that's it. there is any danger of rush and floating day the country is, is currently very stable. i started, we can talk about that. the head winds, as we mentioned earlier on the problems in the economy and areas such as deteriorating demographics, all of which will become a serious problems for the government to deal with over the next several years. provided the current situation remains. but otherwise, you know, the country is, is stable. uh the, the, the evidence that i can see on the street. i mean, if we to even disregard the opinion polls, but just talking to people and traveling around the country,

i don't see any evidence that people are, you know, pushing back against the government. they're there. one comes, the economy is, is, is rosy. stable really comes are going up, unemployment is only by 3 and a half percent, which actually isn't good, but at least you know, it means that there it has disability. there's one area of concern, of course is whether or not that would be another round of mobilization. this is a, i think the number one concern for, for people in the country and then the government course keeps denying that they have any plans or if that is likely to happen. but if we don't have mobilization that and the economy remains more or less as it is even, but the decline next year, as i said, then i don't see any reason whatsoever to assume that the countries facing any risk of a breakup or of, of, of instability is, is just simply no evidence of that's a physical look at the moment. that's a falcon. how. how do you see having the upper hand in 2024?

well as i said, this is the store mate. and that means the most logical way to deal with this thelma this to find a way to freeze the situation. and if i can have a organize, cease fire, one of control way can catch me or, and i can korea right, can cypress, and many other places that was down. that can be done. that, that seems the most logical way to get out of this situation, which is bad basically, for every month. but what was that happened to? that's another question right now, the doesn't seem to be the political will china try to of this year and $23.00 to make some kind of move as a. and they most likely to be the best equipped to put some pressure on all sides to get some kind of solution, some kind of freezing of the situation. they fail. all the others are not even close or so that's, that seems logical, but that does. all right,

right now let's we have we have less than a minute left and i'd like to ask a, mr. boy, 6, you do, you see russia holding onto the territory? it's occupied in ukraine or anything changing in 2024? well let's, let's remember that this war actually started in 2014, when the little green men came in and when russia illegally on x cry me, us. so those, those parts are still in contents. and if you will, but i think you cream would try very hard to separate that line, bridge between mainland restaurant premier, one more quick thing. i know we only have a few seconds, but i also would like to see natal grove bit of spine and stand up more to rush out of the fact that it rocks from midst of the other day was able to spend 3 minutes in polish, aerospace on challenge, imagine if that had happened in china at the hospital missile had entered chinese, there a space for that might be time to match it with their reaction would be no,

it has to, that's a name that this is not tolerable. it's close to nature and you're paying union membership is a whole. another issue that we will have to say for another episode, but thank you to own of i guess for this episode it is possible felt in how michael both so to and chris we fed and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website, which is the com, i prefer the discussion go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 and 5 story. you can also join the conversation on x a handle this at a inside story from me, elizabeth put on them and the whole team here, bye for now the this horse was a non mark and a simple meat from the remains of cars and ambulances. israel targeted during an invasion of that. do you need refugee camp in 2002?

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