as from innovative style tips to cyber drones and spyware, tech companies have been the driving force behind israel's economy for more than a decade. boat, much of it depends on international financing. is where the economist alex come and says when money flowed like volta 2 years ago, it's now drying up automatic sector. are people who were, who got experience in the military, particularly in cyber. but also if you think about drones, missiles, so what happened is, it's now that there were started, the significant amount of developers were pulled back into the military. so, so that had some impact, and especially now that the high tech is recovering globally. i hope the thing that happened here starts hope. nation policy institute shows tech investments have been fooling since it peaked in 2021. tech companies make up the largest economic output

in israel in 2022 is accounted for round 18 percent of g d p. on the route hall of old exports, but it relies heavily on foreign investors who are increasingly spending less in 2022 investments and text also published by almost 50 percent. and in the 3 months since the war and gaza, it again plunged by almost 50 percent compacts the same periods, the year before. a 2023 ministry of innovation report says many factors contributed to the slow down, as well as the economy took a hit during the cove in 19 pandemic. global supply chains of slowed since the war and ukraine began leading to a loss of capital. and as well as last year, hundreds of thousands of authorities protested for many months against that governments palm to strip power from the supreme court launch come from the tech

sector also took to the streets. but salma holding from intel is building a $25000000.00 chip factory in the south, a tech companies law just as an investment in israel. but with warnings of an escalation between israel and his bullet and lebanon. and the war on garza looking set to continue well, in to 2024. it's creating shaky ground to protect investors who rely on stability north on al jazeera west through some like a that's it for me, money inside as a ways of websites out there and they'll comb has overlay system on top stories. my colleagues, so right, mine will be here at the top, the out with more of the day is nice, bottom line coming up. next we will never can see that doesn't happen. our country is out enough. we will not take

it any more 3 years after protest as storm to the capital. the new rates for the white house begins in iowa as republican candidates, once again bethel trump, for the nomination. stay with alpha 0 to the us selection 2024 years from i'll just say around on the go and meet tonight. out is there is only mobile app, is that the, this is where we just fix allies from out is there is a mobile app available in your favorite top to just set for it and typed on a new app from out to 0 new at you think is it the a? hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. does the assassination of a top come us leader outside guys, a market escalation of israel's war in the middle east? let's get to the bottom line. the,

the assassination of solid, a ruby, a mazda, as deputy political leader, and one of its top military leaders, along with 6 other members of the group. and they wrote, brings new focus on the regional implications of the war that started on october 7th. when hamas fighters broke through the fence surrounding garza and killed hundreds of is really soldiers and civilians. israel's response has been a non stop bombing campaign and the military incursion that has killed more than 22000 palestinians. at this point, mostly women and children. israel has also block supplies of food, water, electricity, gas, and medicine, and displaced almost all of the $2300000.00 palestinians in gaza creating a humanitarian catastrophe. so where is the region heading after 3 months of this all out war? and what changes with the assassination of solid irate today we're talking with retired us army brigadier general mark kimmitt, who served in the state department, the defense department, us central command, and nato general commit. thank you so much for joining us. let me just start out.

you're a military guy and obviously october 7th was a horrible and brutal moment between is real and and a faction of palestinians, of moss. i'm just interested in terms of pursuing objectives as you were to think about this as a military plan or and plan. how is this word going from your perspective? well, remember that the military plan is derived from the strategic objectives set out by the, by the government. and in this case, the government, the netanyahu government set out 3 primary objectives. the number one to destroy a mazda is leadership. number 2 to do completely eliminate the infrastructure, the terrorist infrastructure inside of gas and number 3 to get the hostages back. and we all knew this was going to be a long war, and it's proven out to be obviously we've only got one 3rd of the hostages back there been a number of from us leadership killed,

but certainly not enough to decapitate him us. and while the terrorist infrastructure is being discovered, it's still a fully operational. so i would say that at this point, even these railways would admit no caraway. they're only about one 3rd of the way through achieving the military objectives set out by the strategic guides. so from a military and strategic perspective, artist reels, goals achievable at this point. well, 1st of all, as i've said before, and i don't want to be sarcastic, but i'm not sure if i was israel. i would be listening to the united states based on our win loss record over the last 20 years. we have got to recognize that israel was trying to fight a war no different way the we fought world war 2 and we fight japan, which in both cases we said we will fight until the destruction of the military in japan and the feet of hitler's government. and his military in germany,

they are using the same tactics. we use the fire bombing dressed in, obviously the use of the atomic war, but we took no prisoners rhetorically, in that war. and we fought on of a strategic objective the way that the is really see it, which is the feet, the organization destroy the infrastructure and start new. now whether if that's the right strategic goal or not, that's how the israeli military is fighting it. i've heard you in the interviews you've done make that can harrison to particularly japan before, but also not germany and others that were, were an isolated in many ways, right? by the united states after world war 2. and afterwards actually became important strategic allies and friends. but in this case, what i'm wondering is, does it make a difference that is real, is the occupying force of the palestinian territories that that the temperature of

the water, the, the climate. in fact, there are, we can leaks, documents that show that is real, was only willing to allow gaza in previous years to, to exist on economic, barely above sustenance level. and so when you kind of look at that in the long legacy of occupation in the region of palestinians, doesn't that matter in this case? and isn't that fundamentally different than the us? japan, uh, analogy. yeah, i agree, it is, and it certainly may be harsher in terms of the occupations that we did in germany and japan. but we weren't ruthless in germany about leading down to root and core any remnants of nazi germany. and it took 56 years before we even allow germany to have its own army. again, i'm not justifying it. i'm just trying to explain it. and i think that explains to some extent, why is real is taking such a hard line on all this. but there's also another distinction, right now guys are,

is surrounded by like minded air and states. we did not have that problem in world war 2, and this is where the analogy fails. germany was surrounded by like minded states like minded like gosh, same thing with japan. but this issue with a mosque, this issue with palestine clearly resonates throughout the region. and that in many ways is where in my mind these relays will fail. they will fail because they may when inside of gaza, as they would may when a strategic paper inside of gaza. but it's that larger victory that they need throughout the region where they are going to fail because of the tactics, techniques, and procedures they've been using inside of kaiser mark. you've spent a lot of time in the air of world, you know, many we, we have many common friends in the, our world and i, and i think there's a real tension out there over what they're seeing is we'll do right now in response

to the october 7th attacks, how do they not make revenge against what they're seeing? part of their dna. well, you can't look at the warrant garza today. since october, 7th in isolation, there had been revenge operations. the infant toddler said to infant todd of the 1947 war and on and on and on. there has been an attempt to extract revenge or recover the lands from the river to the sea since the formation of the state of israel. that hasn't worked. it hasn't worked for either side, and that's why i think revenge can't be the answer. there has to be a new mode is prevent die that goes beyond our slow that goes beyond all the other attempts. there has to be radical change in the politics. and you guys are in the west bank tourism. busy the palestinian issue, which hasn't succeeded so far. i think it's important to look at what was lost on

october 7th, were we on the verge, do you believe of a very different middle east that would have not only of normalized, but is it between israel in saudi arabia, but might have led to the full creation of, of a palestinian state, which is real, actually acquiescing to that. no, i completely agree. it's unfortunate that the politics in the united states, i don't permit use these days to talk about the 1st step, which was the abraham courts. abram, a hand accords demonstrated that countries in the regions could come to an accommodation with israel. and of course, the culmination of that which couldn't be achieved during the trump administration, for a number of reasons, was to get saudi arabia to joined that abraham, according they were very close, it was coming along, even jake sullivan in his foreign affairs article that was published after the

attack into a god, sir. unfortunately for him thought they were on. the breakthrough thought that the palace spinning cause was under control fox. they were making progress and thought he was spending less time on the issue of being just do. they are on a district sullivans and national security adviser, president biden. but let me ask you something deeper when you mentioned jake sullivan and the president, lloyd austin anthony, blinking the secretary of state are all right now, i think at the beginning of this conflict, it was to give is really prime minister netanyahu a big hug. say we're with you emotionally, we understand and whispered his ear and say, don't do what we did after 911. don't let rage to define your actions. and ever since then, almost every comment you see is about trying to get israel to listen to the us. you've just said they should be ignored. but does this have an impact on the perception globally of our advocacy and of, of american power? and, and when you look at, i mean, wait,

austin has been one of the most dramatic commentators, you know, frankly out there saying they're heading towards strategic defeat. if they don't change course, you saw 2 is really cabinet members come out and, and talk about relocating guns that guidance out of the church. even though that comment which equates to ethnic cleansing is one where the body ministration says in no circumstances. would that ever be taller than done, but still it goes on and i, so the question is one of the perception of american strength in, in a conflict with its ally. not that that gets before you get to enemies to yeah, it's 2 things i'd say. first of all, i did not say that israel should ignore it and i was just trying to say, why is real probably will ignore night. second, it's often unfortunate that you get a couple of comments out of the conduct said that to reflect that hard line approach. i would mean these are cabot number user count and cabin to members, but, but both day and the connection pretty much speak for

a certain sector of the society. but if we can get crazy talk out of marjorie kate or great, we can get crazy talk out of l. c. but that doesn't mean it reflects the entire policy of the state of israel or the unit, the congress of the united states. that said, it is amplified through the media that that somehow reflects policy. but one thing i will note if anybody in israel, in the political sphere is upset about this, they haven't resigned yet. so there may be, i think there is at worst grudging acceptance within the political class inside of israel. but this is the way to do it. is there a shadow war going on right now between the a ron is real in the us. when you look at a terrorist act, seemingly to bombs that have gone off, killed over a 100 people in iran at solely mani screven memorial. so there's that you

also have the who to use that are firing on and, and intervening with a red c shipping. you have other minor skirmishes here in there and from a scale of one to 10. how worried would you, are you today that this crisis which has been fairly isolated, is really gaza, could grow dramatically out? well, 1st of all, i don't think that this is any sort of shadow or that we haven't been saying for the last well, candle way since 1979. right? pre october 7th, ira g. c. could sports was operating and rec, operating and syria, training and 11 on training the who with these. so this war has been going on. this proxy war being guided and directed by the codes for us. what we're seeing now is just a measure of scale. if it was added to before october 7th, it's now one of 5. the people that you should really ask,

is the government inside of 10 wrong? do they want to expand this war? or are they little concerned that their proxies out there are operating on their own this would not have been a question is so money was still alive. and so lamont a, was probably the greatest proxy leader in the 20th century, he kept them under control. if they were trying to expand this war, that i could say was that the best of the, of the government are in iran. but it may be that his replacement is so weak. these proxies are operating on their own. but it is clear that israel has about 7 different fights going on from these proxies. and i'm not necessarily too concerned about the current level of fighting. mean, it's tragic that they're attacking the ships. it's tragic that there are bomb, the rock is being fired from his bullet into israel. it is tragic that there are

missiles being fired inside of a rack, but i don't think that we fit the us red line to either react against the flu season or offensive way, or a dramatic increase in the offense of operations again. so how should inside of a rock? so i think at this point, it is, it is, is being contained. but if there are americans killed, if there was an american worship song, i would say at that point steve, all bets are off about a regional war. us as committed to withdrawing an aircraft carrier that hit it, deployed to the region. the israelis are reportedly pulling thousands of its troops from gaza. do you look at that as an inflection point of any kind? well, 1st of all, the ford is being pulled back because it was on extended deployment. anyway, it was time to bring them home. that to me shows a measure of a less concern on the part of the us than it was on say,

october 10th of escalation of escalated to me. the primary purpose in the forward was to keep his boy contained in new. let them know that if you started responding heavily, we would respond to the current, the reduction of the is really presence inside of god. so it is not only a reflection of the fact that the fight is moving down to a lower pace, but also you can't keep 50000 reservist inside of guys for too long. they've got civilian jobs or will be an impact on the economy. they didn't sign up for a long war so that some people say that they're just getting ready for the big one . i don't think so. i think it's more that reserve is just want to go show on new year's eve is a pretty significant number of rockets were launched by hamas and israel. and you just made a comment, which i don't often hear in the media that israel has made less progress against tomas than many may think they have made. i think that's

a fair assessment. if i were to watch at least the u. s. media that infrastructure is this command control exist, and they launch rockets, which is an indication of how mazda is ability to continue to function and are pretty toxic circumstances. so what is your assessment now of how mazda is capability, and why given the strength and power of israel has it failed thus far to do more? well, let's talk about the infrastructure. there's 300 miles been structure. how long would it take us to destroy the new york subway system? so that will take some time. i think they have made a tremendous headway inside of guys and city against the fighters. they don't have the leaders yet. leaders are going to be the last one is to die and they're going to plan it that way. so i think that there was an expectation around the world that this can be short, brutish and ugly flight. but with a strategic objective set up by the government of israel, netanyahu in particular,

and this can't be a short fight. it's just physically impossible to have a fight this short israel, a year ago was in deep conflict, internal conflict over its own way of, of managing its democracy, managing its supreme court, controlling or not the direction of the court that action has been vetoed, has been overturned, by israel supreme court, i think it's an important part of the story to look at what you think when it comes to the solvency of, of, of israel's own identity in this and what it's trying to hold up. whether you think this court action is important in the situation or not, not wanting to present a divided israel in the eyes of the world. the example i would use was december 7th, 1941. prior to that, there was a great, great fighting going on in the united states. political fighting between the

isolation is that didn't want to get us into a war in europe and others that felt we should at least provide aid and assistance to the bridge. since we did with lend lease and to the russians, right. but as soon as december 7th hit, the country came together. the same thing happened after december 11th. i think you're seeing that israel right now that they had the luxury of having these types of democratic arguments prior to october 7th. but on october 7th, they saw an existential attack on their country. and naturally, and that will bring people together, whether it's right or whether it's wrong was have a tendency to do that. has tennessee for people not only to come together as a country, but willing to sacrifice their own rights for security to when you look at what the us says and what the, what, what netanyahu today will accept or not accept by way of looking at the management

and governance of gauze that in the future when you look at other stakeholders, and that's before you even get to the palestinians themselves. you can't square it . nobody is on the same page with regards to what happens to the day after in casa who governments governs it, who rebuilds it, etc. and i guess my question is, is real under ariel sharon withdrew from gaza, but they controlled everything that went in or out. basically, and so my question is, what would you recommend as someone who's so familiar with states that were invited governments changed? what is the solution that you think from mark kim, its perspective might work? when you look at governance, it is real down the way down, meaning cost down the way. yeah, unfortunately, my recommendation is totally on feasible interface. it would be a arabic, a military force inside providing security,

the urban league would provide some measure of governance. it could require the u. n. for some period of time, for humanitarian assistance. all of this under the shadow of the united nations accepted by the are countries accepted by israel. that to me seems to be the optimum way for postwar governance of guys. and of course billions coming from the international community a marshall plan for gods. why is that and feasible of the politics and the view of the region will not accept that israel will not accept the p l. o. it's unlikely that an error for us would come in and protect herbs against airbus. i don't think we've ever seen that before, but i'm not sure the one would want to buy into it. the only thing i can be sure of is that the international community's willing and ready to spend billions of

dollars for the reconstruction. and any notion that any organization, whether it's in government of israel or, or any other organization, is against the re settlement of the id. peas inside of guys that has got another thing coming. so you believe and resettlement possibilities. no, i said just the opposite. okay. i said there is no doubt that there will be over whelming support to get the people back into their houses in gaza. city hung eunice in another war torrent areas and that the international community was. busy so nice that to rebuild the infrastructure that's been destroyed. we've had references to is really cabinet members who talk very openly saying the humane thing to do is to relate, locate those people like i've read you in text and to me it reads as, as a war crime isn't, am i wrong?

i don't think it wrong. at all, i think any notion that they're going to turn garza into carthage and solve the earth. that's sounds good on tv, but it's impractical, immoral and illegal. so let me ask you finally in bremar was on our show up in the range of a group and he said something with, with regards to policy and said that, you know, you can't keep us in a box and pretend that we don't exist. you have to release these people from their siege an occupation. this is something in said is a fundamental part of any stability equation in the future. you see any possibility of that? i do. i don't think that israel will be permitted if they want to be a respect to bend over the international community to allow the rhetoric of guys of being an open air prison to continue. and i don't think the international community will support that in the least. but i think it's also important to talk

about occupation because people seem to get it wrong when you talk about occupation . do you mean these really occupation of casa, of the westbank, or do you mean the occupation from the river, tennessee? there are many right my, my colleagues overseas still believe that the un establishment of the state of israel is illegal occupation and they will not stop the excess of resistance until these rallies are swept out of that country. will. important in sobering discussion, general mark kimmitt, former us assistant secretary of state. thank you so much for being with us. thanks for having speak. so what's the bottom line is real is a super power in the middle east region, but the way it's imitating how the united states lashed out after the attacks of $911.00 will lead to the same dilemma that america faced all powerful but powerless . israel has failed to use its power to shape better lives for the past indian people over the decades and their boiling frustration is always right under the

surface. so now after so much death and destruction, what does victory even look like? what is solved, the destruction of germany and japan, which we discussed don't apply in the case of gaza and the west bank when is real controls, what goes in and what comes out in every facet of daily life in the occupied palestinian territories. what's clear is that so far, no one, not the political leaders in the region, not in europe and not of the us have figured out how to stop the cycle of, of palestine that is either forgotten a little left behind or put under seats. and that's the bottom line, the the latest news, as it breaks, ukrainian air force says that this is one of the largest attachments of it and for such as since the days of the war with detailed coverage. the price of the santa fe

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and all just sarah is try to balance the stories, the good, the bad, the id, tell it as it was. and the people who allow us into their lives, dignity ends. you mind if you ask them to tell this story, the, [000:00:00;00] the clubs, the whole rom and you're watching the opposite reviews online for my headquarters here in the hall coming up in the next 60 minutes. i'll just there was a cause of bureau chief, while other dr. sudden is being killed and it is really as far as really strides, keep housing jobs at these folds. the palestinians have been killed and is ready to get time since saturday evening. 6 palestinians from the same time lincoln being