want to you by visit the mood and untold stories from asia and the pacific on the us at 1st sight hemsley blinking this back in the middle east for his 5th visit since israel begun its war on guns at his previous trips, didn't bring any respite for palestinians on the, bombardments. so what's the purpose of this business? this is inside story, the

hello. welcome to the program. i'm adrian instead of going us secretary of state, actually blinking his back in the middle east as israel as well on gaza rages on nearly 23000 palestinians have been killed and tens of thousands injured since early october. many of the weapons used to kill them on fucking much of guns that were supplied by the united states just over a week ago as blank and was preparing for this trip. he approved an emergency measure, bypassing congress to supply more tank shells to israel. the state department says that among the ames of lincoln's trip is in part to help civilians stand violence and reduce regional tension. but how will he achieve this or is this visit more about p off? the reality would explode those issues with, i guess in just a moment, but 1st the report from katia lopez hold i on the top us diplomat has traveled to the middle east 5 times in 3 months. anthony blink,

as late as tor comes this fears rise that israel's or ongoing is the could ignite a wider regional conflict. a big part of the conversations will be happening over the coming days, with all of our, all as partners is looking at the steps that they can say. using the influence advise that they have to do just that, to make sure that this conflict doesn't spread. despite the huge death told in gaza, the us has continued to be israel's biggest factor, providing billions of dollars worth of military aiden weapons and vetoing a un resolution for an immediate cease fire. critics. a washington has not changed . the intensity of israel's attacks. this administration has put forward no red lines, no ultimatums, there's been no conditional aid, none of that. so i do think that this k arctic situation in the region which can always get further out of control has a lot to do with the policies of the bye,

didn't need ministration as negotiations to secure the release of as really cap. this is unblinking agenda also on the list, he says are finding ways to deliver more food, fuel and medicine. and to garza, with more than $2000000.00 palestinians displaced, it's not clear what difference of blankets a visit will make no sense. but so solid, beautiful. people stand in line and go around looking for a way to find water for their children. we have so many problems in the camp. there's no water, no surface, no medical attention or hygiene author tensions between washington until ron are also on folding and the red c ran back to the rebels. have a tech commercial vessels for weeks away. they say to pressure israel to stop. it's for one garza and now 3 months into israel's bombing of the strip blink and visit. we'll test the power of diplomacy. and then they also give more insight into the

extent the us as prepared to go and backing israel. capielo physical again alj a 0 for insights story on the day of clinton's visit, the cost of the home of the elder 0 network. israel targeted on killed comes out of to the surviving son of i'll just here was bureau chief in guns a while. i'll talk to who already lost most of his family members in, in this rainy strike. back in october, terms of targeted, kidding. pulled a strong response from contrast minister of state for international cooperation. lola rashid out contra, who condemned to quote, the brutal occupation machine. and everyone who contributed under great the the. all right, let's bring it out. yes. for today's discussion, for breast and in virginia, withdrawing bites for the past. the executive vice president of the quincy institute for responsible statecraft from you by have so hello,

an independent consultant who works on political, social and economic affairs across the middle east, north africa, on the phone of africa. and in washington, dc. god, by god, professor of national security affairs of the national defense universities near east south asia center for strategic study, a warm welcome to you all. before we talk about answer the blankets visit to the region, i just want to take a moment to address the targeted killing of comes a talk to some of our guns, a bureau chief wild f 2 on the very day the lincoln arrives in castle a previous visit biplane, kind of go and started with major is where the actions against palestinians. back in october, we'll have a 1000000 palestinians order to leave northern garza. well, lincoln was in israel, an explosion along one of the circled se fruits killed 70 people. a few days later on october 17th is really a tax on the i'll actually baptist hospital killed $471.00 people during at another

blinking visit in november, israel talking to you and run school in the jabante, a refugee camp. at least 15 people were killed, thousands more were injured. at the end of the brief ceasefire, defend the israel resumed its attacks. its forces increased the strikes in the southern gaza strip of the day after secretary of state until the blinking urged israel to do more to protect civilians some now during blinking his latest visit. the sum of all gossip bureau chief comes out of who has been killed find his way the strike in southern gaza. i try to think is what he's trying to send. some sort of message here to think that this can't be just coincidence, kind of it certainly doesn't come across as a correspondence, and it's very clear that the number of gentlemen, skilled in this complex far exceed dot or any other recent call more than a 100. so far, and i think it's also effective reporting coming out of gods in the sense that we're seeing less to images less reporting precisely because those who can report

assignments given the fact that there is a these are resisting even the very limited fashion. that binding is putting on their in regards to how to handle the war and garza, it wouldn't be surprising is dishes, warm up their assets to the wife before i get it arrives in i did reach it in order to stake, know how much they will resist any effort to find the binding restrictions that doesn't come with clear pressure, such as putting the aid to israel to make it contingent upon them living up to sit and stuff. as long as there's no real pressure, it seems that these raiders will continue to behave this way. we will discuss what comes up to the pressure of what pressure can be applied to these radius in just a few moments. but for us to help set a blank and says, but he'll be looking at what can be done to maximize the protection of civilians incarcerated increase deliveries of humanitarian assistance,

but withhold $22000.00 debt. now many of the women and children does that ring hollow to you? it's, it's too little too late, isn't this as well? i think it's not just too little tonight, adrian and thank you very much for having me. i think it's also completely false. nothing in the us is a real policy actions beyond such a double speech that we see your tweets that are written by the teams of everybody from the secretary state to the president of the united states. and other members of the government seems to signal that there was any material pressure on these round, not just to a, to protect civilians or to prevent this level of civilian death. but also the fact to bring this will to any kind of conclusion or to hold the current uh, hostilities that we see and in gaza on the west bank huddled by these teresa live. at the end of the day, nothing that we've seen since some type of se, evans, from anyone in the sick ministration signals that the u. s. has anything bought

supportive of this war. and really the red line seemed to hinge on how much they're willing to box the expansion of this conflict by you as well, professor, by gods. just a week ago, as we were hearing blink and approve the sales was ran of a 155 millimeter artillery shells and related equipment. determining that the emergency required the immediate, say of israel that by waving from aggression to review requirements. and yet harry is in the region supposedly to piece, i mean, this visit reeks of hypocrisy those. and there's a, as united states has built a consistent policy to start with as a war. and it is important to point out that is the lesson plan to united states and in american media. lately,

they highlighted some kind of disagreement between boston administration and the apartment of nathan yahoo and hired people. so it is important to understand that as difference between private, the policy and public diplomacy of, uh, the united states government that will not tend to uh, go into a lot of company at all. and then as all you box, my understanding, send your medicare, don't fish as wednesday need towards that, or is that all you did call the parts they push as far as a can tool use smart quick ones to minimize executives of innocent people because escalation is aggie and this is our u. s. national headquarters to the what, what do you make of that? does the us have any sway over the is where the government any leverage a tool or given what we were hearing that from,

from the professor him. and he said that israel just isn't listening to the us, to what extent is the kind of situation directly the fault of the bite, but ministrations policy? how much of the blame to the current suffering in casa? does the us have to that or or these really, they're not listening because they don't foster this because the united states is not making them just the idea that the united states is much tougher. in 5, it may be true, but it's not popping up because we're not see any effects. the reality is the united states has a tremendous amount of leverage, is choosing not to use united states as ship and 1000 tops of weapons and ammunition to israel. since the beginning of this war, according to these really major general in an interview last long, made it very clear. if the united states were just false, that if the weapons and ammunition to israel is or will not be able to continue

this fine, it's very clear to you guys just as members as choosing not to use it. and that raises the question that you just asked to what extent is that the united states also responsible for the killings that are taking place right now? and i think divided registration is somewhat nervous as they should be about the complaint of the, the south african come a government accusing israel of genocide and taking this to the international court just isn't this found to be guilty of genocide? it will have implications for being out of state as long mindful of it's an extensive aid to israel during this ser white to is the us, not pressuring israel when it's not happy with what's going on as well. i don't so store that is not how because reality is, is that the earlier impression that the by mistake it was fine. just stop this but didn't have leverage. i don't think has been proven to be compatible with the biden

signed off to the is really ministry objective of eliminating a months and wanted israel to do what to her mouse with united states could not do to the solid block because of that. he has to, in the way of any sheets by any attempt to bring the board to an end short of charge having eliminated come off. and that's why i think we have to accept the united states as actions to support of his policy. it is not trying to stop. so i, i know you want to come in. let me just try back to, to professor by got the do you do, what does it say something that and i think you uh, is there is no doubt that the united states has a lot of leverage to us before in a to everybody is huge. but also it is important not on, but i still need is all the less somebody in the country. and because what i use one was that i choose companies that were, and one of the strongest military, paul

r, n z. i made an east spend the ends, our as the instructional, the corner boxes from united states. and basically like this feels like any country boss, what it believes is, and that's best and best at escalations. i know that he's getting, getting some people this is bad for the like to spirits. i have no doubt that you liked disputes was to and so or to minimize that getting golf innocent people tend is, there are many disagreements between us is, are you one of them about eliminating compass? united states does not believe set, how much can be eliminated a mess as part of the finance. they've got a society messes up way to kind of military movement and you know, like this feeds in my mind the on the stands. that is why it was cannot

be achieved for i, i knew what you wanted to come in that, but i'll, i'll ask you another question as well, blinking a middle eastern countries to use their influence of a regional act is to ensure that the conflict is contained in order to prevent, quote, an endless cycle of violence. but why, why put the onus on allies in the region when, as we were discussing, it's the us that holds the key here. is it called for a cease fire? put pressure on israel. it stopped using it to be 0 at 0 jones council and also stopped supplying as well with, with weapons the violence within more or less, immediately wouldn't it to i agree and i think fundamentally to, to sort of get it back in. and i actually agree, i agree completely with 2 types, but i also, i agree with was that somebody got that ultimately, this is the us administration that over the last 3 years has fundamentally mis understood all the regional plans act as in countries in the middle east. both africa understood the national security goals targets misunderstood the

relationships between each of the targets of relationships with the united states and by extension. what blinking has been doing on this trip will do on this trip and all previous trip. some of the visits from the secretary of defense and visits we've seen in the past from bill buttons and others is really this fundamental belief. but washington still has this region. revolt of foreign policy around washington not simply is not true any longer. it may have been true 20 years ago. it may have been true side to years ago. may even have been true 15 years ago. but over the last few years we've seen a real reckoning of that. a bold, independent farm policy emerge from individual countries. collectively is a region, there is a, a strong drive to look outwards. and the us is policies, particularly these minute trans security policies have been found. one thing that,

and the fact that the us having served these countries with them, it with the national security interest in protecting them, particularly for you to the last few years and the precarious of structure wasting the relationships between our both countries, iran and other spaces and primarily the us has not been seen as a country that is willing to really come forward and put it smack out and support the states, but it has the decades committed to supporting except as well. and since 1948, the instability in this region at his house comes down to the illegal occupation of the palestinian people. it always has done. and america regularly on the leadership failed to come to terms with that. one would argue, even the failure to enact what was agreed successfully at also and other major reflection points in this pulled a conflict over the last 75 years and now is no different. what are the, what president biden will actually say? think and i've been attempting to do with regional lead does is to bring them onto

the same page as the united states, which is to see the school as an existential crisis for as well. to see the north state taxes in the region of behaving, not in the national security interests of public interest of this region, which they may very well be doing. however, when the us census worship center, the mediterranean creates these protection forces in the red sea deployed. it's navy to these areas. it's not received by any of these actors or even the court of public opinion, as protection. oh, guardianship papers. i'd like to quoted it seen as publication. and i'm talking to them. i'm always seeing peace and also back to respondents to about professor i saw you raise your your eyebrows at one point that i couldn't tell whether you what you were in agree mental or not. but do you want to come in a? yeah, if i may, i want to make 2 brief thoughts is the 1st one. the 1st one is lower and it goes up on the scores that you liked. the space is by far. does that mean uh for the fall

are uh, was great in for us. its got the ability to make peace for it as an authorized showing it is not showing that it is not to appear on the, on the, on that everybody comes to washington. one second or 3rd blend can cost was that even if at all the pay is that the insurance it is, you don't like this. the it's the 2nd point is uh, there is no doubt that the united states has gross spice plays on you. but also as a conflict and does that highlights the affinity are off eric countries for the loved the united states? the united states has been a girl sliced to us with the idea to got on to what you are, e to egypt, to almost all the countries is that each one that they have not been able to convince the administrations of partners that medical public to take even had that balanced approach was a conflict, and there are countries have to use that leverage. they have to love to hear in

more effective way. is that medical people that administer shut on as a fungus to you? recently, most of the nation dot com, the president bite and refusal to pursue the most obvious way of the escalating tensions of avoiding american depths, such as cx, 5 and gaza. i'm do you oft, is israel going to drag the us into another ruinous regional ball? is it as well? we see today bass is a, these are a few things we think buying to expand, for instance, nothing on the binding restriction does oppose that the buying restriction is skeptical is the article in washington post today about the intelligence assessment on the nazis ability for is or to when such as comp today, edited by the restriction says that from the very outset, these really have the intended fact in the early stages of the 40 want it to go

into the webinar right away. or the buyer is basically what it, it seems however, that we're back to square one because these really are trying to do this to us. does oppose it. but the question is, when the american offers dition to this the couple, would it be a freshman or will it continue? it should be what we have seen so far, which is that link and goes to the region and asks other countries to put pressure on hezbollah, on the who sees on the water while the us that stuff does not put any material pressure as well. that equation will not work in the long time. we have back to being quite lucky so far that we haven't seen an estimate. absolutely, in regards to the post or a ceasefire, if you take a look at the uh, activities of documented issues, they attacked us troops 6 times the day before it is fine. but as soon as this, these fire broke out, be attached for me to walk. you, munitions went down 0 for 6 days, not

a single time. even the whole cheese producer attacks was only one attack during that 6 period. the area that we can call the attribute to it's very clear. the message from them is, is listening to what the who is in sales. i say that they will seize the risk tax if there is a ceasefire. and even though the seems to be the easiest place to actually avoid an explanation, it's the one time that the buy ministration refuses to pursue, which goes back to my earlier point. there is a committed step by dividing these patients to the destruction of a mouse, which is part of the reason i think that we see the buying restriction, refusing even measures that would avoid the estimation departments that he wants to have. so we already know that, that to the bank and secure a place from turkey as president though to want to use his country's influence to prevent the conflict broad thing further. but the other one is, we know as a harsh critic of washington's support israel gauze

a campaign he's rebuffed to us pressure cut off suspected from us funding, which flows through took here defending the group as legitimately elected, liberates of sufficing for the land. how sincerely thing was his pledge to use his influence to prevent this spiraling. and what sort of reception is blink? i'm going to get when he lands and other regional capitals this week as well. i think the question really is, you know, going back to it to treat as point of what kind of leverage can you put to all these non state actors particularly when they have very clearly defined that red line site for engagement and part of what the us is failing to acknowledge is this is not just about is ralph designed to expand this conflict? this is about how much longer will the united states and that this will continue and effectively on the ground and the quest for palestinian statehood. because that

will throw us into a perpetual cycle of finance, the insurgency of direct to the bottom. and some act by these non state groups in the region bath could become a perpetual cycle that never ends in part of what is mind boggling if you gave washington the benefit of the doubt that it does not seek. that's a and resolution is what, what does it seek? what does it seek to, to, to achieve and what does it seek to achieve in this relationship with as well? what is it seeking to protect effectively, even for as well, the broader relationships that the regional policies at all, so either normalized or a peaceful allies or peaceful partners and neighbors of f as ralph what uh, what can they but what kind of parts of the relationship can be solved which stopped all of this beyond just looking at the pressure on a groups like how much has been law,

the policies and the has to shop being at all. i mean that ideology will, is, is very clear off the red lines and this conflict has been very clear that, that was all that's for the decades has been very clear. that's going to be very difficult to change. and, you know, none of the people have lost and the response and the, all the stuff to coiling the power of these groups is to seek a 2 state solution. clearly, that is not what is being sold through this, that this conflict through this escalation of honest with this bombardment, by either these round washington, the united states and european allies. what that then extends us to, to ask is, what about the effect on other countries and what kind of reception does blinking to receive and all the capitals? well, what kind of reception has he received in capitals in the last 8 to 12 weeks? it certainly hasn't been very prevalent, it certainly hasn't been very welcoming. he's been publicly rebuked by the foreign ministers of jordan of egypt. he was embarrassed by the crown prince of saudi

arabia. all of this feeds into a broad, the quotes of public opinion. not just a moment why anti american sentiment has been very high, and it's such a nice going high. but last americans, we will be seeing as much of this conflict on the screens here in the region. we can see me, it's still 247 is if it's october, 8th, the level of funding to you mentioned the um and you mentioned comes at the door who was who was killed this afternoon bye. and that's right. yes. right. i mean, this stuff is paying on all tv screens ranking to the arabs. social media is constant on this. yeah, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we're almost out of time professor. i'll give you that. the last would a, is this, does it by blink into the region than anything? well, the cheap window dressing, i mean, is his diplomacy going to be going to be able to do anything to ease the place of the suffering and in gaza? is it going to bring about a c spot? is it going to be able to prevent this conflict from spiraling into

a wider regional one? you know, obviously to go see it. there's not the window dressing. it is because it's very complicated. it takes time and there is no guarantee use that to a work and succeed. it is a force visit to the 2nd study in just a few months. and it is also important is that countries like, is it, are you doing to the orthodontist from united states as, as egypt is all done. so there may be a total of them and 13, or then is this the american pressure? and i want to end on positive, you know, there is generation gas generation change in your life to seats young people in your life. this is all over america. university has are different, a straight thing. again, this is already a saw a, this very sad want this happening now. many innocent people are buying bought ins

are longer on, i believe it is, it has a change in the american public opinion, and this would be reflected in that medical policy that i'm afraid we must end the program any thanks indeed to what to all of you being with us today after the policy, how so hello and got backed off. that's my gosh, right, i'm sorry. as always, thank you for watching. don't forget, you can see the program again at any time by going to the websites and i'll just here, i don't com for further discussion, join us on facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash h i inside story out of course, you can join the conversation on x all handle at h, a inside story from the adrian instead of going to the team here. and so let's see you again, bye for the, the one the, the

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