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the tax is real valid to eradicate from us. no, 2 months later we'll look into whether that objective is possible. that discussion is coming up for the 1st since october, 7th, accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing. i've been use to describe some of israel's and how much does action. but what do these terms actually meet and how can they be applied in the current situation in israel and the occupied as the new territory as well as the former. and the 1st prosecutor of the international criminal port is which headliner least what i know the, the reason what i know a couple, thank you so much for joining us on upfront. my pleasure. i mean, if, if anything was happening, how mazda is october 7th attack, and israel's subsequent bombardment of guys that have both been met with accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and various other war crimes. but before we get into the specifics of these accusations, i wanted to ask you,

if you could 1st sort of briefly define what constitutes a war crime. what, what crime that basically the find them by did you need a convention on now? by they were on this side and they basically, they are limits how solely is, could behave during the war. that is a war crime. then you have another type of crimes, crimes against humanity. and general size crime is going to mind. did you say, why spread the or systematic attack again, disagree and before they should? and that why that a, how much is it comes again to my the but mean that issue on you got a specific crime general side general side is and i've talked to this is a crime to be destroyed in the religious russian group. and i believe that that's important because the general side, it's a convention and is the convention that is required in the states bought these to

prevent genocide? that's why genocide. so impulse then, because it or lead crunch of these crimes that they have these obligation not just thought enough to meet the crimes that $153.00 states boxes of the genocide convention, including us and russia, an old, almost all of the countries who are committed to prevent and find these general sites that what genocide is so important. how about ethnic cleansing? of some people have argued that what's happening as an ethnic cleansing, how do you define it? and the crazy, any driving you, i get by him, is it point? and you can, i think, is a nice expression, but he's not the crime itself. any clean thing is a warning use to avoid it. can be find something that genocide. why? because you're to go in your state. you have us and you say is a general side. you have the new to do,

but event is you say is that the green thing? nothing happened is okay. so let's, let's talk about this idea of genocide according to the palestinian health officials. as of this recording, israel has killed over 15000 palestinians around 40 percent of that number are children, they bump hospitals, schools, refugee camps is really armies, bolts person, daniel, how gaiety, in fact, openly admitted that the quote emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy. and of course, this is all in addition to israel preventing nearly all food from coming in all fuel from coming in. 1 people are given, this is a form of collective punishment. my question is, is there an actual genocide taking place to what? let me summarize this time, that should be reasonable to believe because they low isn't. we're not going to court of jack. this is where the standing so if i have percent you thought i thought the mitigation when they had to read through the base,

it will be lead into how much if i conflict you have home us meeting war crimes including today the house budget if it were crime crimes against you, money. the and the crime company did it on october 7 in nearby i brought with the general side legal hammer having the engine to destroy e riley's as a group, been evaluated. reaction is also included many crimes. it's complicated. it'd be 5 the war crimes because each moment being meet the, we evaluated. but there is something very clear that the siege of guy. so it says that he's 6, i mean, nation or persecution. i think i'm going to do many the on is a form of general side. i think the 6 see or 2 seen the 2 high convention define that you will need to pay the people to commit genocide. the rules say inflicting conditions to this drug. the group that's itself is

a general site. so creating the siege, it says it's a general set. i'm definitely very clear these right one that each is very clear. and the thing shown to this pro is that people that many offices from the government are expressing general 5 that intentions. that why it is very easy to say. and the reason why i base the believe if i is coming to a general side in got so just on the siege, then each bomb being each of the killings to be properly investigated. but come on, we have a really clear at this stage it says is a genocide. and otherwise these, these fire should not come from in the new general site. please use it. talked about for mass, also being engaged in war crimes. of course, on october 7th, they killed hundreds of israeli civilians at the music festival. they've also

kidnapped civilians. these included babies, children, the elderly, the disabled. i mean we can agree that pretty much fashion. those are war crimes, know exactly how much of the 7, if the war crime be what you have. i can see the lens is it comes again to mind the because he said, is it, is it put on that and see when you have a whole nation? and is it genocide because the killings where it intended to destroy the group. and that's the general side, and that's why they october to set it up, doc, if it will crime is the cause who might be identified. and the reason why did you say, could you say that the wrong, why this constitutes a genocide? i mean, some people have argued that they are engaged in an act of resistance intended not to destroy jewish people as and if needs to be nationality or race. but to defeat a nation state that is attempting to occupy them then and defeating an occupying power. where i mean friends that because when i was a put together,

i will have more than for 2 years in that by the sign he's right. come to the god, why it's so what i mean so painful to see what's happened today because in the home and i remember how much send to me at the professor working with them. and he happened to me that. com. i believe it just be but should not be involved this time is not just about protecting godsa. how about believe they shouldn't be not jews in, in, in, by the time that why it for them killing the jewish in in the dryer is but it's is part of his tribe issues and, and that's it. and so it's a general side, because even if it is a, it's a dog, they get this trying to throw a group in this case that you're at least in, by this time. oh, okay, uh, how much charter uh, was updated as you know in 2017, this is an update from the 1988 charter. uh in in it uh they explicitly state how may i ask a firms that it's conflict with design is to project not with did use because of

their religion. how math is not way to struggle against the jews because they are jewish, but wages the struggle against design is too occupied palestine. i'm not here to argue whether that's true or not. but if we were to assume that that were true for a moment with that, then notified the argument of genocide as a legal matter. when i say i am, is the stand the stand that it's, it's not the highest resort based to believe that this time that describes an investigation not going through with that's not enough for me. the journals i should be investigated indicates a harmless. maybe they adjusted maybe the now i'm not trying to god, but these have been found that they won't do this to kill these people to remove the spell that they eat, riley people from the land. so that he's for me, that provide recently basically believe that is a general site. i'm not saying it's

a big shot because that's the point to convict. why don't think i'm gonna leave it for general side. you read it but, but try out. you need to offer the how much would either be up or do to explain his arguments and present evidence and then the judges to convict the princeton. we've got a hygienist done that they had to go to be under the dog started. that is high. this time that i like i'm talking about of the things i've always been wondering about is palestine is a member of the i see, see how mass could be prosecuted for we. busy crimes a under that premise. israel however is not a signatory to the eyes. you see and it has not ratified the rooms that you. so what jurisdiction does the isis you have to investigate and, or prosecute is really what the into the core hosted eviction in. got set with the bank and it's it so then that goes along, but office drop it in my time and in 2021. the court accepted. that's called the

mitigation, helps happy mitigate, crowns coming to in, got set with back and instead of selling that mean, you can go between these places for any purpose on could be mitigated by the shocking that got that. why is right committing crimes in got that could be mitigated by you guys are going to court. and i would suggest, for me, even so important what's happening. got that which is massive and what's happening with bank. they go to the west bank. if that's a more influence, that means that security of a variety and i'm a shock that these mind, this is mean to secure the, the person with me difficulties read today is that i'm full. so let me check that he might have sold the because it was an extremist. is it mine who was investigate that? convicted hates. so these are mine, excuse me, to settle that is providing web up the set this up and running activities in with

band field and they're going be that way for me in the same way if so appealing on an offer what's happening? yes, i do think that with that in, in what value there's no more environment because this pets on the meat of security has in for that it's running web of the set that i mean, fact yeah, almost. i understand more than 200 people to so doesn't wait for me. i guess that is one offered scenario. but with buying is also a very important done on the particular be of a sudden should it's a mark been clear in particular, be investigated for it for more crimes. let me say give, it shouldn't be to get it. absolutely. yes, i'll put on the, on what he's doing by the weapons incentive. if he in fact the incentive to violence. i read that he, he was using the police to, to crash the meeting of the family meeting with a those where liberated from jail. i know so that the information they are now

assign beeping and got the right the in, in west bond. so all of these activities should be mitigated and prevented us stop it. in march 2023, the is the issue. didn't arrest warrant for russian president vladimir putin. russia, however, is not a signatory to the court. and aside from the warrant, restricting fruitless travel, the countries that are signatories, if basically faced no consequences. so can we isis, they really do anything to prosecute. non members, can anything actually be enforced the way you got them this time then for as many of the core decisions on the device you're looking that conversation is in the hands of the states. so but if the and booting was invited, i know no one is actively dental rescue mot. he couldn't, he got to stop flying to south separate guy or going to breath, see because he presses as i was, i think i could that rescue him. and in fact, that's how big was president, but she's when i am diversity and best suited for general fide as he went to south

africa to show his pretty. but he had this case because it just 2 of those. i think i ordered the read scheme. so that resting is the most complicated thing. but i think our 1st question was kind of just investigated. was bank crimes? absolutely. yes. they've gotten indicted people after the yes i read thing is a different matter. but my point is i just is doing what is to do and is very important, but keeping a little is it a lot of the thoughts can not be that further thoughts. so with that or they feel we are lacking is the commitment of the dimension of the community, including the biggest states to, to make e, right. how about sort of pick the little look since september at the un? my sort of on presidential general side, the side of that, think about 5 genocide. i'm going in 2 months. so that's why they probably today, the state, the states have no respecting the boundaries. and we can see really say shouldn't.

we're not just giving individuals in got that on westbank for an in, in, in a menu. we're kidding, sanitation. and why not just about ease riley's or a means or about a full be bill or the degree believe c a b, or dropping? yeah. in, in me a model, it's about synchronization. we're going to faster. so it's time to change the game . when he leave it, it's not just or pressing good. the judges luis moreno a couple. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. the one of israel's responses to the october 7th, the tax was to promise to permanently destroy from us nearly 2 months after the attacks . the group that has ruled guys and for the last 16 years still seems to control large parts of the enclave. and some are questioning whether israel's bowl is even achievable. and if i'm asked, would it be toppled? the question remains whitfield,

the power back you joining us to discuss this is deanna. bluetooth is around the low base lawyer and former spokes person with the palestine liberation organization . and highland, i'm getting the senior fellow at the middle east institute in washington dc. i wanna thank you both for joining me today. then i'm going to start with you since october 7th, israel has consistently reiterated about to destroy from us. it's estimated that from us has 30000 fighters at least, uh, and by these really armies own records in its own account. the air strikes me attacks of killed somewhere around $1.00 to 2000 have mass fighters, given the level of destruction that we see so far a given the current situation on the ground is a military victory for is really impossible. you know, but that's not what they watch it from the beginning mark their idea of destroy him . us is code for destroyed casa, and anybody who's been watching those knows that this is what exactly what is real means. and that's why you see that the vast majority, 62 percent of those have been killed,

are pulse any and children under the age of 18 and women. and so all along with their attempt has never been to destroy him, ask because they know that that's not achievable. and this is not just a minutes. it's not just a political parties, and it's an ideology as well. but instead it was code for destroy garza and that's exactly what it is that they're doing. but that's an important point salad. and it's something that very famous for now. they've been posted in historian on a sheet of valid. he said, he said, then i quote, a mass will remain as a political force whether these really is occupied guys, or leave destroy from mass as a political institution destroying her mass as an idea is impossible, right? but why? well, the, the idea of how mass, of course is how much does the site make resistance movements are they haven't assignments, id, ology, but their primary focus is resistance resisting occupation, refreshing a by, by israel. and so you'd expect that when you have a system of structural violence like an occupation which can only be maintained

through a through violence, you're going to get violent forms of resistance. and that's, that's an you never ability. if it wasn't called how much that would be called something else, and it would be, have more or less the same way because those are the conditions that palestinians live under. that that's an important point. deanna and, and i get that at the philosophical level, but there's also a political question, very practical political question that we also have to ask, which is, uh, is there another party right now that could step into govern. even if a mouse were to be defeated and i ask that question more to get a sense of what's going on on the, on the ground and what the, what the kind of political climate is. so i'm trying to get a sense of sort of what the possibilities are as well. that's a great question mark. the, the, the problem is that there is no political party that's going to come in on the back of it is really tags. in other words, they're not going to come in and take over and rule or do anything. and garza based

on what is the destruction that israel has huge on, on the gaza strip. and so instead, the question that we should be asking ourselves is, what comes afterwards that palestinians end up deciding not whether it is the united states deciding or israel deciding. but what is it that palestinians want? will it be how much? maybe, maybe they want out. it's not entirely clear, but whatever it is which ever group it is. however, groups may be more than one group. it has to be posted in lab and not american driven, or is rarely driven or even internationally driven capacity, palestinians to finally get the ability to choose how it is that they want to live in the end and not based on is really dictates, given what you've seen in which you're hearing a has come, i've seen a loss of support on the ground, given the destruction that we've seen at the hands of use really government given

the fact that some argue that you know, some of it was foreseeable, has almost lost support. you know, quite the opposite of how soon is know who's dropping the bomb. so we know that it is israel who's dropping the blonds and it's not showing us who's dropping your bones. and if anything people are saying that they're supportive of the resistance, that is the resistance, that's the only thing coming in the way between a, between israel and the complete destruction of the past and people are complete annihilation. why did they say that? because on october 6th, as you'll recall, the day before, there was nobody ever talking about about liberating health. so, and in fact, the diplomatic community had dropped the issue so much so that, that everything that is real was doing was, was barely met with something called great concern on the part of the international community. if the choice was to die a very slow to where nobody is watching, which is what these relatives wanted to do, or to push back and to have at least the world recognized the brutality of these

really machine product to yeah, i mean, i think a, you know, i actually have a slightly different take i, i think israel is trying to destroy some us, i think they think that they can destroy from us and it, and it comes from a, this, this notion like all colonial powers. they don't fully appreciate the grievances they don't recognize the grievances of the people that they occupier rollover. and so they see palestinian politics is sort of an artificial construction. and, and these groups can be excised uh, in the same way that they were, that they think that they were created. so they can be surgically removed from front of the other being so high, non surgical in their and their doctor obviously makes sense. so what would you, would you say that then the palestinian people, the children who are dying, the hospitals that are being brought up to sort of collateral damage that they're willing to accept or, or is it a both and situation with when to destroy from us and they want to destroy the gods

history. i think it's about, i think they want to destroy from us and the gaza strip. i think they are operating on the basis of rage and revenge. still. it now, more than a week's in that has been to the primary motivator. so much so that they've given a barely any thought at all to what comes next. and we know what happens when you have a security vacuum and the governance vacuum. you get, you get violent groups of fill that void, you get a extremists, you get more radicalization. so it's not only in a humane the way it is 0 is conducting itself. it's actually quite stupid. if they care at all about their own security because it, it absolutely will come back to haunt them. i hope we think about what the future looks like for palestinians in as the associated press reporting that israel's offensive is turn the area into a quote on inhabitable moons scape, the un estimates that 1.7 is

a standing number to me. 1.7000000 palestinians and guys that are newly homeless, even if a permanent ceasefire, would it be put in place today at this very moment to borrow the words of 1000. professor. people have nothing to return to the next leaving, mentioning the psychological impact that a siege has had in a complete c just having right now on the, on the people of guys that of what it will it take to rebuild. it will take more time and money and effort than anything we've ever seen in the context of the occupied palestinian territory. israel's actions are moving in a certain direction. they are moving toward the permanent displacement of that 1600000 palestinians. it's impossible for them to remain in the south of gaza forever. right. is just too crowded and,

and there are no services. and so i think very much the, the ultimate goal is to push them out of gaza. and that's where the real danger is . daniel, what do you say? what does it take to rebuild as a and also who's responsible for doing it? who should be paying is israel? who's gonna end up? probably paying will end up being likely the europeans. but who should be actually physically doing it is how sydney is wanting to rebuild our own places in space. ringback but what we've got to look like afterwards that this is the question that keeps many of us up at night, because we haven't seen the end of this. i remember a few weeks ago on your show, i think the 7 weeks ago on your show, you had that daniel yolanda on the show who very clearly stated that house and should be moved into the egyptian side opposite peninsula. in other words, what they are looking for is ethnic cleansing. they want to get rid of palestinians . but i do want to address something about the destruction of having us. i think

that israel knows very well that it can't destroy from us. they're not looking for security, they're not looking for it at all. if they were the formulas there, but it's dead. they looking costly to perpetuate this so that it creates this mindset inside israel. that they're, that they're not say and increase the mindset in the outer world that they're not save as well. and therefore, more money flows, more security, more weapons and so on. i think it's real noticeable, well, but it's what it's doing and it no spell. well that it cannot just recognize that this is simply code for destroying garza destroying how students enforcing is released forever live under under the gun that have to be our last word data both to thank you so much for joining us. kind of that i'm going to thank you so much for joining us as well. everybody that is our show upfront. we'll be back the

the latest news as a spring. we would just hit pretty badly by tear gas. there have been various consultations on a weekly basis with detail coverage. this policy is making life so miserable for the palestinians that they eventually leave is effectively forcible transfer. and that's a whole crime. i'm fear of this, jen. it isn't. it's totally dark. we're using our own life. this is the only way that they have life and can cook food. unique perspective of africans. i'm willing to take to the streets because of the sense of urgency that we have. if we don't know more and more lights or voices, you don't often hear tumble nations do stand with paula spine. it's the same struggle share of displacement. connect with our community and talking to conversations you will find elsewhere. you see where the political establishment is in terms of justifying genocide, brand new episodes of the stream on which is the are

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