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hello welcome to the program i made for you. instead of getting a started this week, a conviction with the person out from politics for life and practiced on the bus after the supreme court ruling on monday. not anymore. it's good news for politicians like full of prime minister knowledge shelby's, but not so good for another full the premier iran calm who's currently in jail. the really only helps those who have banned for life, like shareef. he's now free to one. again, an election is next month and for a full time is private. his stuff, as calm, has been bought from office by the quotes for 5 years of not for life, it doesn't apply for him. so why is this reading been made now of how big of the political implications will be asking those questions from, i guess just a few moments, but 1st this report on the court decision from the, from a what's that piece of to weeks of the probation? fuck you sense highest quote, test script a lifetime, ben and politicians with convictions contesting the elections. that really makes it
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possible for the former prime minister. now usher east to take part in the polls for the 4th time in elections. june, february his party. the bike is the most levandique now was, is considered the most likely to win his biggest rival for mercury. good to you. and prime minister in mind con is sidelined from the upcoming elections. that's of the day he was banned from politics and pakistan for 5 years. following his arrest on corruption charges that he denies both sharif and kind of have blame to the military for austin, them from power, leading up to his arrest and cut down on his party. the to vicki and stuff. kind of had publicly criticized army does at a party, riley in 2022. and she always has accused ability of orchestrating his removal in 2017 over his economic policies and moves to improve relations with neighboring india. the military has denied it builds that level of political influence, but get done faces a deepening economic crisis with accelerating job losses. so ringing station and
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high energy prices. according to its to, to 6 bureau inflation rose by nearly 30 percent in december. the country has received a beta package from the i m s, but that forced it to implement strict will stare t measures. whoever is detect the next prime minister faces an appeal betsel to improve the lives of more than 240000000 people. many of them already struggling with poverty while i have them, what zip it out to 0 for inside story. so let's bring it, i guess, for today's discussion from as long about we're joined by ralph house on the central information secretary of the wrong kinds of political policy focused on jeffrey in stuff in karachi, the capital of sin providence, which went by mohammed's about who ma, he's the provinces, form of government, representing numbers, shapes, political policy, blackstone muslim league, and also it is one of,
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and we have michelle outside of the founding part of the advisory services from top of lab at a full the advise of the pakistan's ministry of foreign affairs thank you all for joining us, ro flip stop. what do you, what do you make of this decision by the supreme court? the outcome of the decision has political implications. but why now just a month ahead of the election. so choose, uh, you know, the whole time bakers has got me so it did not come as a surprise to us. this is part of the logic conspiracy. you know that to, uh, started with the bank on government back in april. but back within 40 was and since federal things have been moving it all in the direction that'd be rejected. they were, there's a whole lot of uh, of what be generated. but 1st, along the line uh the, the stopper spent and no, actually it started on funding at all when the government funded around con, stomach was supposed to go. and then they've been gone to taking the subsequent
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specialist at all. and they will have to come back to block of stone and then take part in the, in the next election, so as to be blanket as the, as the king. unfortunately, the institutions of the country have been completely liquidated. have what really they don't exist any longer at this juncture by the door. uh, we have 5 governments, the center and the board problems on these pulled. probably because all of these governments are and wants to do stuff and be good because they have to be on the mann district theater to thank you. do selection the thought that hasn't spite of the constitutional stipulations of that that constitution has been, has been, has been, you know, rubbish each time and time again, the institution of the state as the as paid any each go to stipulation is content that so we're not surprised, you know, and at this juncture just commented at this juncture, but because it's important to know to bring it in. uh does that does work be reached at like the ben stated, uh, the uh, in the, in the process. i must say,
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uh that the low practically has been off the scene here in the country for a long time to kind of uh, the fact to know that the boss for you guys, uh, who did this country you know was, is it broken? got it. and nobody had any doubts about it. what the guess was supposed to turn it off. uh about 5 by 678 years ago. uh, he was not able to provide any oh, all the income that you generated that your daughter over that beautiful, almost 2 decades. okay. and it was on the basis of back and all that was he was, he was the most impressed by what? well, the doctors in the next no rush, i just, i just picked up a menu off a very quick, quickly, a 5 do 6. these all these cases happened. didn't know. i need to speak to dave part of the election that this is accomplished youth justice. unfortunately, okay, all right, well how much is about? oh my, you had that the accusation that malware should be flew to the country. i will voters in focused on view the supreme court ruling actually there are 2
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things. button is uh uh, the hooting it says do what he says link that says, and this device he was disqualified from my dad was in 2017. and i feel deep drummed up charge. i think this of wrote but if he had to go on to the ruling, it was not based on any brand drink of money this very important never. it was said, it is based on the bench and the money. it was sort of very, very simple. but not to have it by that, i'm sorry to interrupt. i mean, if you're saying that the charges against no is shenice with trump top and then surely the charges against him, ron carter, also trump or. so let me finish about this in advice about this particular decision of this being bored when he was just going to fight for. like if you read the 0 must have read that with a it should be say is that there was that that is see you, but from his sound send read, which visit know i seemed faint to disclose images or does fax it does not. if this
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is a crime and you can imagine any way to what it would not even invite to an account and delete the mode and hit the button. when is the the timeframe? when is the was leaking? because do cindy elected? and who enjoyed the majority in the bottom and was thrown out for life and that he cannot do any uh, but it takes the cool things about it. first, the disqualification it says staples on trumped up charges. the 2nd thing is no one in bucks. an elite for this thing that any but addition, but it is missing a lot on the model, should be disqualified for the night and it's not just missing the y c. who will benefit out of this position. it is also mr. john, give it to the who was a very close in order, very close a politician in the, by the open sitting wrong side, what's all cheapest qualified for the night. so he also benefits. he gets another party today. so he also benefits, and this was never something that anyone in boxes then take the and you must also
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go to the box on the details of his the red. but it just got the 1st cause. now, many of the decisions that the board said they come in the boss separate. that gets no, you buzz, including the decision to hang diploma. brian list services are regarding the book book is being heard what the 45 years. okay. after he was, because everyone wants that just it shouldn't be done even if it does extend it. that thing was wrong. all right, but a shot of i'll call come to just about that. i'll just want to give a rise of reply. that's at the roof that very quickly ro why do you want to work above what the jasmine have said basically, you know, just talk to the ice. so for example, i said these days that the fact that on the last that you take this country under this country all at once, but it to, to has 3 states and 5 is an established strategy. why is it that he was not able to do anything before the court for, for the 1000000000 to know that he has? why is it that he was not able to produce any,
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any proof before the board for the properties lavish properties that he has a purchase order for the work? why is it that he was not it was approved by is it that you submitted a fig? like i thought the letter by said that he got the fund the used up fig. uh uh. can it be font uh, before have a day they do, we do. the electric was produced in the quote at all. uh guides is gonna be part of the party bus up on it. but so if you do single boxes, all these facts it, there needs to be bought. uh, any, anything. i mean, anybody wants to scans up to defend the bundled or no because he is doing it at the cost of just different this got too much off. it's just a mess up, sorry to keep you waiting. we will get to you in a moment, but i would just just come back quickly on that. i actually said investing service roses, the office. the are telling us why mr. know why she was punished with all the weight to the actual reality he was, but this you will just going to fight for life simply on the basis of it. and if i'm wrong, there's so much of that. we can connect it to or otherwise he was button is
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disqualified for life because he did not show that is the building that he did not show up to see you. but virginia from an accounting standpoint, but i just didn't. but he wasn't never supposed to reflect as an individual, as a z u, but, and he was there display 1st the, the nature of the management, the nature of the car. and it was listed. and then the, the, the, the, the punishment itself to buy someone for a life thing or that you cannot do politics to have a. okay, but we'll shut off. i'm sorry to keep you waiting. i have no, a shelby's been treated unfairly by the quotes in pakistan. was he the victim of a miscarriage of justice to, to what extent was the supreme court racing and injustice? yeah. and if so, what about the treatment of inbound con? how, how did people view his treatment? look at it, regardless of how many times us partisans of one or the other party a in this country? the answers are always going to be the same. the supporters of nevada cities will
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rightly feel vindicated by the correcting of what is the entire process was deeply biased and prejudiced against any chance of nevada cities being able to govern the country that he was elected to govern in 2013. and these games didn't begin with the, with the court case that emerge from the panama leaks these games begun. the day he was elected and there was a whole, uh, a whole sort of a massive uh, sort of readings of evidence that indicates that the construct so you to get rid of nevada city. but you know, 3 days the panama. so this court case, you know, happened to be kind of the end zone for the sort of a, a process that began much earlier. similarly, the process to get rid of him wrong fine began the moment uh,
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the military. the very military that brought them around assigned to power, decided that it didn't want to concede the rightful powers of the prime minister to the prime minister. and wanted to retain key decision making around the key appointments and around key relationships that block us on. as within the domain of the military, ultimately the, to my mind, when i listen to and both these men are really in sons of boxed on whether it's ro pass on or is a bad omen. and they've tried to serve boxed on over many years through different sort of ways. and obviously they've chosen different political parties to try and build up this country. but just to remind viewers what this country is, this is one of 2 countries on the planet that still has the polio virus that it's fighting. this is a country of 250000000 people with a median the age of 23,
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in which the debate we're having today is about whether a 74 year old is guilty or innocent, or 71 year old is guilty or innocent. meanwhile, the median 23 year old buck a stunning woman or man, are up to creek without any prospect for serious economic growth in the near future . with an almost certain debt crisis that is hanging over the heads of every decision maker in this country with a massive security crisis, he will not only by the thought of bonds, desire to expand its influence beyond the borders of upon his bond. but also the hindus supremacist and hate mongering, in regime in india, that has been on a mission to punish bucket spawn for existing. uh, this is the scenario within which the box hispanic people are subjected to political contests between a 74 year old and a 71 year old. neither of whom have any real answer from august on both of whom are
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the product of the military's interventions. in bucks, tons, politics. so what, what you're saying the shut off is that the package starts political system is, is failing. it's people. how do you fix that though? well, i think the starting point is that politicians need to be able to run for office without the fear of knowing that they will eventually be facing a jail term. i think as long as this kind of an antagonism between popular leaders and the military establishment continues, will continue to have the cycle. and it's, it shouldn't be lost on anyone. the irony of iran con, uh, facing indictments in cases that are largely, broadly as bogus as the cases the city was 1st convicted for and then let go for that. i was, as you heard charlie, 74 and bronchitis, 71. and the median age in pakistan is 23. it should be freely the mind that the
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electric one to put that face in to improve the loss of why comp practiced on off of the electorate candidates who have more in common with the countries demographics. well unfortunately i have never been in the election at buck stone that has been intervention from these 5 percent. and that has infected beast with a basset of time, particularly off to the exit of general the shuttle. um, if, if uh, you're not, you know, on single question and i'll just, i've just, just, just 11 thing to be done on the free expense and into selections. what equal level blank feed on, and see all the people of this country want to be active survivors just because i tried that. everybody was the boat's, anybody other been involved been show that fame fed and inclusive election that has been struck and people decide this is what the dash that's for and different
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fortunate these being did i not just die, but the people at the factory were being increasingly different, but just i would like i can go to the portal of evidence and i supported what i'm saying. but i do, i don't think b, b to dine would permit me to do that. but you wouldn't, you know, if people what, what has happened in the last couple of months and i'm going to put an extension on people coming up. people have been having good. now people have been tortured. they have been forced to convict a pretty good loyalties. what about $10000.00 people, a book and change that being tonight? bins? there are people in that group and what will happen for us to be pretty times but to go spend the rest it and some of the kids said some of the go. okay. some of the problem this gets big in big and being again that again, that is to keep up and it has to be that's a good 2 times up to 3 times and but to put down all other people up in the district, but a growth do you want to to come to the bank because we did the just to say, could i just take a minute just to let me repeat this being that you're not allowed anybody to give
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it to you. this isn't up. you want uh, surfing on the surface of which is being presented to the body. so consequently, what i want to say is this be the, it's, it's b o space. they have already decided that, that, that the cheapest way to do the next time is perfect. and free, and if we think is being done, some of the dates that beat the gods, b, b, b, administer should be part of that is very important that we develop be fair and impossible. mohammed is about, what do you make of the before, but before i put another question to you, i mean the 2 things, the 1st is uh, what uh those uh, is defined is at the moment and there should be no disagreement to that. that box the needs of the bed and costs been election and inclusive election back to those everybody to the body including the box synthetic. and so i'll put this thing, gone back to for the box spring without any problem. the debated box and today is very entrusting and what much of that said he was simply do is episode of the spot
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on the issues that the people in the box and not district going to see it or what do you want it to be a 25 year to work bucks that use the challenges with them just not a vote who is more could up and who has gone to a rougher thing. been missing the why should even this as a grandson, the problems that box and faces today a large meet you cannot make and switch in or doubled up in the native for example, lack of education level has, is them being drinking? what a very basic problems, the amount of boxes that it is under poverty line is that good. the. so the problem is that box and piece has to be as much, but unfortunately, the big the inbox and today is with a 2018 election was more clicked or the one that is coming up in 1550. it is going to be more big. so it's a debate, not that the people did not have the fact that they would have what they,
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what was happening in 2018 and demanded in which they were brought into bar. they were fine with it. then nobody would look back to say that what is happening with, with that then building party bucks that most indeed the way it was uh, butchered and the way the thinking was done. a point, a phase of uh, changing bought it cuz like you said, it is a roofer. was mentioning then type of proteins of don't just on for example one night the lawyer is of the dad, the holding party, then the link by the box. it must be the last was to his new party that was created when i it is that it's been going on with boxes. but guess i totally agree with the civil that i've sent me is not to spend bank in comparing whether 2018 was bed or buzz or i'll tell them, but the fluid is going to be buzz beneath the fit. been election to have that ability with everyone, including those i'm st. bucksta. if, if not, why should these becomes pregnant as stuff of the 4th time of next month is isn't
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gonna say out his, his is full time. how long will the people at the military give him to turn around the economy and improve the loss of people if it, what would your advice be to him? i unplugged it today's to a box and has been very, very vague. no problem in this, of his last 5 years. uh, typically use the facility and encourage the problem and it says, actually on the door, it did the move to get down to coordinate, but you couldn't make out any snort just going out. it's in to buy it and you got the cases that gives them the gaming and the references that goes around. whether this is going to be a new in a box on this the, but i don't know. i can see the problem is that box emphasis did this score this, but there is definitely going to be some fiction between various institutions in the box. the problem in this up is the want. see that he has to be elected the business of the mandate of the book a box. so it has given him any must decide based on those uh what, what he thinks is that i agree with that box that you move forward. whether the
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military but give them enough space for the hold. so people demanded a but then he looked back and it's good to be a new bug sign. if that happens, we'll shut off a, you know, actually becomes a prime minister. next month is, is he the man to turn around the, the economy to improve the losses of pakistan's people? a why this, this sense of perpetual crisis? this does impact us down what, what's different about progress down what it would seem that very similar political systems and both india and bangladesh are able to deliver for the people are absolutely right is not just india or bangladesh. you have a military dominated, uh, political uh, sort of situations or ecosystems like indonesia that has been going from strength to strength over the same to 2 decades. where boxed on has been going from strength
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to weakness and weakness to further weakness. you have countries like turkey that were complete basket cases economically, where the military was dominant, where capable political leaders enacted a series of reforms that not only grew the economy, but also arrested control off matters that should be in the civilian hands, away from the military and to civilians. so i guess the question that your viewers would have or that you've asked is, what is unique about a box on that doesn't seem that this doesn't seem to happen. and i think part of the answer is the other incompetence of lack of imagination, of the political leadership itself. the reason these parties are not talking about education or human capital. the reason they're not talking about the impact of artificial intelligence on the uniquely st credit islamic, and muslim culture and buckets on the reason that people in this country and the political circles amongst the lead are not talking about tax reform. and instead
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are constantly looking to secure flights to re, uh, the, or to i would be or to door to secure uh, the next uh, easy term loan from one of the gcc manufacturers that this country has had for many decades. there is a reason for that, and the reason is that these issues, the issues that really matter for the people have boxed on they don't have any answers for these issues. they don't have any thing times within the political parties. these are not issues that page or bother, or drive or inform the day to day pain points off our key political parties and our biggest and most important political leaders. having said all this, where it is a responsibility for, to reading, nurturing, tolerating, sustaining, getting read off and then bringing back these very politicians lie. that
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responsibility lies on the military establishment that has consistently well sought and secured the best quality of political liter for this country shots, regardless then of who wins the election next month. do you fear that another period of martial law in pakistan is, is more or less inevitable and i don't think that the instrument of engagement for the military any longer needs to be martial law. i think that because of the incompetence of politicians and their lack of imagination, the military can very easily exercise total and complete control over key areas of the economy and diplomacy and policy that it wishes to. i think my complaints or, or my, my sort of mind pain point is that in doing so, it isn't, or it hasn't yet at least demonstrated the kind of quality or confidence that were justified people to say, you know, what, the politicians are incompetent, but hey,
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the military's got this now when it comes to national security, i just wanna make this one key point right when it comes to not good when it comes to national security, there is no army or, or military in the world that has been able to do with bucks on a military officers and soldiers do on a regular basis. so when they do their job, they do an amazing job. the problem is when they do the politicians job, they do about as good a job as the politicians and that doesn't serve buckets. it's very well it all right, we've got about 30 seconds for each of the ro fund habits about a basically i think what we, what, what, what shot if we're saying there is the pakistan will never succeed economically. politically, until the military is, is, is out of the picture row of what i would not like to about cost especially. but any big leader at this point time on i want on pga wants is bad pocket sponsored have but once 3 bad inclusive connections without any outside of that, it's
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a doing from the stop by that is easier said than done because people agree has by could by convention has always been that they have the pros, box on for all this up to 60 is either directly or indirectly to the right to, to the account. so position and position to follow. and final thoughts please from about, mohammed's about wilma. so yeah, it's very simple. i think we all agree on the concepts in a box on every institution. every part, it can be the part to buy these $200.00, to establishing the cost is still the same book and which and that was supposed to have been supremacy. and reach has that been a bit of control for the energy. and i think of the both of these other 2 to buy all institutions, including the military. i think that the offers would be the best going forward. thanks to all i guess, ralph house on the homicides about who my and my shut off is 80 and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the websites of elders 0 dot com for further discussion. join us about facebook page at facebook
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