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passed religions to separate from the states and then not willing to change the traditions with detailed coverage over the next 3 or 4 months when people were entering the me previous case as opposed to prison or rise to get from around the world. it was near here at valley forge that for us, he declared his independence, which still had to fight for this butting democracy. that is what joe biden says, needs to happen now. last year with the worst. all right, cool. so it's really a task, some palestinians occupied westbank and as being intensifying since the one goes up . again. palestinians in the west bank of this whole county down 7 the tax on his res. so wicked, this violence leave. this is inside story, the
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on him. while the eyes of the world have been focused on israel's genocide, a war and garza over in the occupied west bank, the science of his valley weapons have been trained on an increasing number of palestinian targets. shootings of innocent civilians have nearly become the routine signature of this very military raids with children among those killed and injured refugee camps. athene had by strikes walls. settlers have opened the attacked palestinians with arms provided by israel. palestinians from the west bank have launched isolated attacks on his railways to so how dangerous is the situation and wants as well as political and military strategy for the west bank. we will be discussing all those of, i guess in a few minutes. but 1st, this report from let me consume should he's another day. another raid bobby ross describes the moment is really soldiers marched into a store into the how kind of show up in idaho,
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he told the workers to go. and he told me that he will use me as a human shield. he said the young people should entitled stones, you will walk in front of me. and the impact of as well as ball and gaza is being sold in the occupied westbank is really rates have risen dramatically since october the 7th that the incursions co fuse risk and killings happening nearly every day. the palestinian health industry says more than 350 people have been killed in the country during the past 3 months. these really ministry has also the 10, nearly 6000 palestinians. many say the on the attack to we are a far a bit from guys that there is no silver service here, but we are being killed every day. we are being killed every single day, either nearby or the other endurance or the other in geneva, near to every part of our country we're being killed. is the genocide palestinians
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in the occupied westbank or also finding another bottle rising fall and spot is riley settlers. the u. n. has raced and along the us, preston on some york, and he does have condemned the aggression lucas accountability for a move to kelly remains pervasive of doesn't punitive. a sense of orleans in violation of israel's obligations as they will combine power control, safety of palestinians in the west bank even before october, the 7th right wing is riley's, including government ministers, made provocative incursions. deluxe a most indeed occupied east in breach of standing agreements. pray at one of his psalms, most sacred sites have been beaten by these ready military as well says is full and goes off again off to the mazda attack in total. since then, tell athenians living nearly 90 kilometers away, have come on to mo,
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is rarely attacks the latest in decades of violence against me, consumption east. i'll just see the phone side story. the height and tension and the occupied westbank phone is a recent pattern of increasing violence. according to the ones who mounted here in a 5th agency, 507 palestinians, including 88 children, were killed by his raiders there in the loft. yeah, that is the most on record for yes, since the agency began collecting figures in 2536 is way these were killed by palestinians in 2023. that is also the highest number of 4 years since records began. since october, the 7th, more than 4212 palestinians have been injured. $637.00 of them children in the occupied westbank and east jerusalem. a 3rd of those injuries came from live ammunition file advise riley forces. let's take the
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discussion right to it. i'm on the, in the occupied westbank from where all 3 of i guess joining us most of about goofy is secretary general of the palestinian national initiative. that is the palestinian political movement. while these ha boss as with the palestinian form for as rarely studies old mother and bushes, lady is policy lead for the u. k. charity outside and be occupied palestinian territory. and israel very well. welcome to all of you, mr. bug booth. the, i'll start with the use, the human says that palestinians are living in constant tara, of the discriminatory use of israeli state, false and secular violence against them can you paint as a picture of life and the occupied westbank a window. of course. what's happening in the band is, is bad, but it does already been as what's happening goes on guys chip. but luckily are subjected to here is uh, since, especially since the 7th of october is, is it a,
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is violation of entity into nice and i don't know if it is early on me. so just if it is very police model, if it is already set, that feels that they have a license to good and they can do any i'm supposed to do to any post and you have accidentally posted. the result is very drastic. i mean, this is the 7th of october. i think we've lost more than 540 since the beginning of last 2 is most about 500 for us to use. since the 7th of october, we hadn't so many posting in skills, at least one to, to point us to management could direct me by setting up the title and desire. now is, i mean good. there is a set of notes in the, in a very, a weekly and the, the sub list has been acting on a senior community is conducting also acts of ethnic cleansing. and all this done said to keep on is to me and communities have been evicted from their homes by. is
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it or is it not settled? but the situation is even what it's done to the homeless. the bank has been divided in 224 classes or to get those if you want me divided by no less than the 615. and if that is an early check point, many of which have become stations for how to estimate funds, sometimes stations would fund it to me is would be shocked at them can. and the sacrament expansion is growing at a rate that is unprecedented. and that is, uh, i just think people eh, so widely, we didn't see that since maybe the 1st time to file more than 5360 funds to me is have to be met. i sit in the bank since the 7th of october that the brought the number of funds to me is a g is to more than a 1000. and on top of that, the present us and is a lead use of a subject to type in
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a drug test and population which led to that pretty close at least 7 on this to me . and present us since the 7th of october or well live do be mr. barb booty. thank you very much for laying the situation out for us and we will be discussing all of those points in more detail. mr. how about if i can come to you even before october 7th, as well being for pushing b u. n. said that 2023 has been the deadliest to. yeah. for palestinians in the west bank. why has israel increased its raise and violence in the occupied westbank? yes, of course it has been, it did lead us to use it even before 7th of october. actually we should remember that in december, the 2022. and you, as the government eh, was stablished, and this was a very far right. we a government eh,
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2 important things happened concerning the west bank 1st as with rich, who was considered the extremist figure in discovery. and it was, and it became disc administered in the defense from. is there any defense minister and he was, it became responsible for a whole with bank and a also they could get a and the civil administer ration. and d, of course, represents a, the simulators inside the west bank and the as a region, a 2 i'd have to one video settlers it by to 2030. a lot of a changes have been happening in the west bank, especially on the west bank a since the beginning of 2023. okay, so you see the charges as a result of this role and having the 5 rise government that does everything elected in the country. but what is it that you think that they are trying to do a
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yes. so, so these to be the, the, is rather agend escalated in 2002 and $3.00 did not be gad. it by the establishment of this government. however, eh, israel, and since 2014 has halted any political negotiations with pedestrians. and this is the being when a known for everybody a, the announcements of the as a, a government that every se should be next to as right. and, and that is the, by the senior authority, a operating inside the area a and b should be degraded as a non political entity only governing administrating a disability. that affairs of policy means. this is a very huge shift in the last decade that eh, arrived it's momentum and into that said $23.00 is so israel, and is it west writing since the beginning of eh,
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that to you is to expand the settlements and also to improve the conditions of the settlers in order to next them administratively, but also to establish all facilities for the settlers. why is this demanded a shift in the practices of the as rarely government that was the last 2 minutes and so was there lance? and certainly we have seen a grace expansion of as rarely assessments which are of course, illegal on the international norm. miss kelly the let me bring you in now on that is really activity across the occupied westbank and the raids that, you know, we have been focusing on what kind of impact are they have in humanitarian impact or they haven't on the people who live in the west bank has cashed, especially given the great destruction that we often see a company, these raids, the destroying the roads of very important infrastructure of power lines of water supply. i mean,
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i think what we're seeing and what we've been seeing in the westbank is yes. and, and, and gaza. he did, we had, as we have to make the comparison is, you know, very similar policy of forcible displacement of demolitions, of killing with impunity. and no accountability for both the children and unarmed men and women with record numbers on the rise every single year. since the u. n. has been monitoring those numbers in the last 20 years here in l. p t. the impact of closure is of military rates, of unlawful detentions interests of demolitions, enforceable displacement of communities is, is, is especially a big impact on the economy. so essential, agricultural activities are drastically reduced. there's most of income. we've got 200000 posting and so we're unable to work in israel used to have permits to be able to work in israel. we have 50 percent of salaries being paid because of the of no money been, you know,
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being received by the posting and authority and therefore civil service and not being paid. agriculture is a major economic sector for the posting in economy. it's crucial likelihood for thousands. you know, the inability to harvest but has also an impact on local economy. it's not yet seen, but we will see the, the, the impact on the economy in the upcoming months. a year. actually, according to the posting in farm is union. this year in the hosting in the farmers were only able to harvest 50 percent of um uh their credit produce this year because of collective punishing policies imposed by israel posts october 7th that already existed. but yeah, have just ask you to them and, and, and been high and it also has actually an impact on our, on our fragmentation. we're unable to visit each other as families, as employees and colleagues, we kept, you know, really travel from one city to the other in the o, p t that has an, a huge impact on the psychological and, and, and kind of cultural fabric of posting and society and, and psychological tools,
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children are unable to go to school and normally in, in, in it was fine because they have to cross check points. you can imagine what impacts crossing a check point to go to school has on a child from little age. you know, this is something that's normalized to him actually yesterday a 3 month old baby was died at a check point because they were refused a passage by these really soldiers. and these are, you know, stories that we hear of women unable to cross the checkpoint and how to deliver at the check point. you know, this is a daily reality propose young mister biography. this committee has really laid out the economic impact, the social impact of what's been happening and the occupied bestbuy. and she also mentioned collective punishment. what would you say the political impacts so far as being on the, on palestinian, on the palestinian political scene? we've seen a recent, you know, recent polls by the palestinian center for policy and survey research showed that
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44 percent of people in the westbank support. i'm oss up from just 12 percent in september and that the 92 percent of people want president lockwood us, of the palestinian authority, which administers many parts of the occupied westbank to resign a yes it odd reason sort of that. but in general, last on the stand that spends damian's off with me seeing that clearly out of personal process works have to use and i've started seeing that there's the private dependence to now not study to so many of authority. what so ever? yeah, there is in here. yeah, i'm using today. the most of this child is supposed to be on the outside of the security controlled. and they have no respect to that. but just, you know, sort of the them security to consult and see if it's more than the private step on his to handle. sort of give them the ability to control its own revenues, which are not the by doing understood by isn't a data paid by us,
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the senior citizens, the taxes, the me, i'm giving you one of the palestinian authority, even that is there is a control inc and it is actually conducting an act of by to see defining those sort of key some of these resources. so practically, the people watched using the last step to use and waiting for the so called the peace process. the state solution to also process the payment and nothing happened except tomorrow commission most at the most on motor addition on marketing scenes. so that people don't have to us in this, on the see of the police to new outside. and they don't have that us in this will cause most likely events. they want the people who supported resistance. that's why you see this shift in the falls. mm hm. because because i had made the progress the news during that time. but as time told me that i was a fuss about the for one can look on the, on the political context of why is it, is doing that. it's see that it's very clear. design of the moment was based on 2
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principles. next thing that i'm thinking that i'm by force and do my need to do so by combining us. but the other aspect is to get to the palestinian population, which is difficult to do. regardless of the fact that 7000000 students are still abroad. refugees, the price of the items, return to their homes. the number of students on the study by the side is to do equal to is it, are these people for the that is one of the city of options. you go to the next step, dr. step solution, which is you don't want to accept because they want to maintain the annexation of those bank. or they should accept one democratic state which means equal rights for people. and that means that that state cannot be jewish on the as the want. or that kind of option, which this is the government is often court and that is ethnic cleansing calls the funds to young people, not on you guys, but also endorsed back. and it had,
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they succeeded in guys and conducting different things. and then what time to move to the west bank and repeated the same thing. so that's why policy has now understand one thing they have to start going for the resilience, right? so there is an staff to stay on the land because and thought that they have no future. and mr. how bus do you think that there was a role for the palestinian authority in the palestinian struggle? there was so much talk. you know, the united states, for example, wants the palestinian authority to play a crucial role in this, in the future of any possible 2 state solution. but do think that what mr. bod, goofy is saying is it is well that has render the palestinian authority ineffective, or does the palestinian authority also have to carry some of the blame to? yes, i think it has to go to some of the blame. i went to the to, to,
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to answer the question, by elaborating on a significant point, mentioned by mr. better with the, when he said that the israelis want to get 3 to form of the other students, we called this elimination of the students and elimination is done by controlling them administratively. this has been done since 1967, and it has been done through an indicted colonial rule. unfortunately, the but a student activity is the entity which is supposedly send it in this indicted quarter. and then you've taken a disorder a. so in order for the, for the student or forwarded to, to, to, to break away from the occupation it should, it not only called for it, but a scene in state or to state solution. it should code for the coloma zation of this occupation, which from the table for choosing the extensive it metal it calls for a 2 state solution to yes, but when we analyze these a we from the political disclose, we got
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a light that this is on this course for the, the, the, the population consumption, but in fact we, we, we should analyze the weekend isms and the bureaucratic procedures. and that's it you with the policy and also to, to defacto as part of the colonial regime. it is not about it and judging it politically or ethically, it's about talking about the mechanisms of we need this aggregate that also accords and read it line by line. we see that it is the civilian on the west bank is the civil administration, or that is there any soldiers? and part of this structure is defined as an alternative which is taking administrative control of management control over the last 2 minutes. so i'm analyzing the mechanisms that are eh, it in effect on the ground and not judging the the politic guess the, the gist of the blessing authority. so in order to, to, to up for
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a 2 state solution. eh, we should break away from us. the codes we should also, we have 2 divisions within which means that the student is the 1st is between the west bank and it gets that between the fact behind that mess and the 2nd a division that nobody talks about is between the bus students inside is right, and, and the other student is in the so called occupied territories. this division also shouldn't be implement eliminated in order to talk about admin submit to the project. all right, miss holly, the do you think that the palest and in a far sheet should be playing a bigger role in protests, protecting palestinian civilians and the occupied westbank can be doing more. i mean, it's important to set the scene, but this is a military occupation, is realize that occupier has clear duties and obligations under international law of which a paramount duty is to protect public sydney and civilians and provide them with
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basic necessities. both in the west bank and gaza and which they are not doing in both the west bank and gaza. because in fact, on the contrary, they deprive posted means of access to land, of access to water, of access to national with natural resources. if they, you know, impede, are movement and, and put restrictions are in a freedom of movement. have rebuilt, for example, most permits that people have to access israel and all the, you know, the, the, the, the closures that we were talking about. so i wouldn't even put the burden on the posting in authority. i would put the burden on israel in terms of protecting posting and people and providing in line with ok national there to national obligations. one more point i want to make this fragmentation a posting in society has led to isolation of communities and the inability to create an alternative. suppose thing is, um, this is what this policy of control and divide division and oppression was created
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is, is that there is no other alternative proposed to me. and i done this authority and it's been difficult for also to have, you know, 4 or 4, you know, future or 4 were thinking when, when, when unable to, to, to, to, to, to, to organize together. sure. missed about who the when miss kelly was talking about how it is rails obligations and rights under international law. it hasn't been abiding by those for 70 years. it's not going to begin to do that. now. is it? but you one says that there was a risk of annexation as well. and next thing parts of the occupied westbank, whose responsibility is it now to make sure that that doesn't happen. do you think that the international community will allow that? if that's where things are headed as well, who is the international community that has the big questions? is that the nation, the community, uh, the people uh now do most political over no work,
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demanding the end of the attack on guys on the on garza and demanding that punch deals with the free or is it the state the united states government under governmental time on some other lists on governments, one allowing concern to the infinity of on the box to international law is that i would not change its course unless it's a subject to sanctions. and if the world does not continue to use the standard look what i found was it was put under when i live in. the old one is 11000 sections on russia in one months, because they said they took you by the bosses weekly. in our case yeah, supporting the key part. so this done understand the test to change and is what i have come up with must be able to achieve these unless it stops. it's natural being a simpler colonial project. they want to our next though to by 30 threes and the one does not punishing him for that. and i think on this little boy that investment
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sanctions, as was done to the apartheid system in south africa, the situation can be changed and we haven't seen an entry whether we have significant increase in support for the b d. s. movement that you mention. since the war on gaza began this to help us, if i can bring you in the, the us took measures implemented measures against the set classes where the settlers, who were involved in violence against palestinians and the occupied westbank. do you think that that could expand that those measures, those sanctions could expand and that could all the countries do the same they meaningful in any way. i don't think they are a, i mean a rightful inter sanctions of upsets. there's because in the united states is backing is related government and the editor and the government is building the settlements inside the respect. so it's so making this differentiation between
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a law, unless, unless somebody said lives in the west bank and that they are out, should be off load and shouldn't be sent in. but, but on the other, on the same line that they do not at the u. s. is backing as well as supporting it and also is supporting gets project inside the west bank. so this makes more sense . and we don't expect, eh, that section should come from there at the united states. and we expect that the free nations should eh, and gather all together except. ready the students or i should also remember that eh, and the enter nation in low, whenever people are under it, belonging to remote under admitted to occupation, then it is the right to resist and use absolutely resist. we have that is we have less than a minute left and i'd like to ask miss kelly the
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a very quick last point. after everything you've heard, what do you think needs to happen to de escalate the tensions and the occupied westbank? how to de escalate tensions? yes. a. i mean the, you know, measure is uh to prevent. uh, settlers. one is not a measure that would be too late. i need tension. and if anything i feel like they would, you know, probably be better viewed here in the west bank with the sanctions imposed on them abroad. listen, it's very we as a mentor and community we have been saying ending the occupation and then proceeds on gaza hour or 2 mentors. uh, that would be escalate tensions. all right, and you know, accountability, accountability is cri, is, is impunity is what have gotten us here. accountability and we have plenty of judicial and non traditional mechanisms and to to, to yeah. so to ensure that perpetrators of violence are held accountable and they
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have not been boucher, highly the in the model. thank you very much for that. i'm sorry that we run out of time, but thank you to all of august most of about goofy in ramallah and also while lead, how boss in ramallah. and thanks you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website address here, adult. com. and for further discussion to go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash agent and side story. you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is at a inside story from me, elizabeth put on him and the whole team here, bye for now. the . the siren sounds as ambulances from across the main island of one she race to rescue people in need. suddenly a warning to halt. there is
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