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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on them and ron and pockets on have launched attacks across the border and then to each of those territory both say the targeting on groups and used national securities to justify their actions. and groups and the below to san region have been launching attacks and iran and pockets on for years. both governments accused the other of not doing enough to stop them. but these makes us, uni, latch for military strikes have raised the tension between the regional pals that could undermine joint efforts to secure the board to we go to a panel and just a moment. but 1st, defense and monahan has this report. the aftermath of a new reigning attack unpack, is donny territory to children among those killed law name. i did a lot, but around spar ministry said with targeting army groups hiding out in the border region. tissue out of hand, so you tools talk, he's done is own neighborly country, a friend and i'll brother,

it was not the target of your runs drones. and miss solves, this is any rainy interior risk that has taken refuge in puppies. funny territory the, the pockets don's response came within 24 hours and attack on uranium territory pockets on spart ministry said it was also striking armed groups along the border this morning focused on and it took a series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted precision. military strikes against terrorist, how high adults and cis donald, but it was just on probing all feet on number of total risk or killed. the blocked is done, region spans both countries. some are groups, there are fighting to gain independent homeland. others are demanding better treatment for sunni's in our on the attacks have been carried out in both countries and iran and pockets. dont have exchanged accusations in the past, but not enough as being done to fight armed groups in the borderlands to your out

of pocket. some folks that they respect each other sovereignty, but just to fight the strikes on grounds of national security. although relations between the 2 states appear recently cordial, the attacks res, tensions focused on caretaker prime minister and around foreign minister met at the annual world economic form in double switzerland just hours before the 1st strike and their countries. navies have been carrying out drink drills near the strait the port lose regional powers, including china, or cooling for com. now that both sides won't strikes. some hope that this may be possible, but they're also fears of further escalation. benton monahan al jazeera for inside story. the we have a panel of distinguish experts on inside story today in the whole pockets on osmond does she get as a pre em and a textbook on, on groups and pockets, non of gone to some central asia and as a former resident of bushes, dawn and pocket stones capital as lama bus monday. hello d is a veteran diplomat. i'm calling us for the door newspaper and websites. and joining

us from my shop in northeast in iran is mohammed there on the professor of the university of paid on a very warm welcome to the program. most of the, she's all stopped with you in the hall of the 2 sides even now that pox stone has retaliated or does the pockets donnie strike raise the risk of escalation? the most of the problem is that the yes, there's an international dimension. this conflict would do just raise but what was being ignored very much by the media and by other experts is the, the, the local power that which is much more complicated. for example, it's a fact that these, but each stage, iran in fact, has done that been bombing their own citizens. they've been bombing them in their respective countries, but the baby informing them themselves. most country, the around in fox don have phase better, is read from within the below to community and they have failed to deal with them.

they have failed to win a victory against these extreme. in some areas i was above or below both in the around $100.00 done on the terrace that probably the most was an ethnic group in south asia. they've been deprived of education of development of, of almost everything. and much of the approach it is aim to trying to get attention to the fact that they are being deprived of the summer. but there's a bunch of demonstration of, of, below to women who are the, who would be done to sit down that in a bit too. so i gone to attention to the fact that their husbands and man relatives that'd be missing. so many of these kinds of things, as long as they go on in the wrong, it's the same situation. all right, let me put that to my he the low, the and as lama bob. by carrying out these vitale a tree strikes, i suppose, by

a pockets dawn is boxed on attacking groups that are fighting for grace autonomy or even independence from pockets on is it attacking its own people. as mr. rashida saying, i think we need to keep the focus on what's happened between iran and bucket son, or we need to 1st acknowledge that iran fired the 1st shot as it was uh and created a situation to which park his son was compared to respond for many years, in fact, militant groups have had centuries on both sides of the border. at least that's been the accusation of one country against the other. and i think the surprise element was that when did ron conducted to strike on pocket sony turkey? that was in fact a high level of ronnie and delegation in his stomach bug and focused on a new robber, also holding joint military exercises. so several channels of communication were open between a stomach about them. ted on to address this issue,

which of course remains on resort and needs to be addressed. as i said, that i'm going to turn groups focused on a q is, is it on of providing centrally to religion groups on each side of the board of a neutron, also accused his focus on off providing a haven for these, these a medicine groups to be found on the progress on the side of the board according to iran. so i think this unreserved issue is really at the heart of what has happened with what has happened has happened. focus on top of the bush, no to response to what it on had done. and i think now we're looking at to pause. i don't think it's in the interest of either the country to further escalate the situation or to inflame the situation. so we have to wait and see how and when the escalation begins to dig this because i don't think we're going to see any further escalation in this situation. less of a landing what to hear say to that. and what this lady is saying is that there were

many open channels of communication between iran and pa, castanan. yet yvonne chose to carry out the strike on pockets donnie soil, despite cooling pockets on a friendly and brotherly country. why didn't do that? the other 2 or 3 things here for us going back to one task mad said he is correct, that he's this area in pa kasanya. wrong is more backward than other parts of the country. so countries, one reason is the american sanctions, by the way, because iran and pockets on we're planning to have a major gas pipeline. and americans bought that. and so a lot of things that can be done between the 2 countries aren't being done in that makes this area that in a 2nd. is that a big this attack that took place on the, from the right hand side?

it comes within the context is randy is and ever since the genocide began in 1000, the war began. they've been mobilizing to retaliate against the wrong, the wrong support. some us the run helps them. that's why they're able to build kind of roles and we have defense capabilities around supports. oh yeah, i mean it's of course as one lot we all know that. and so israel ones sort of how the and they've been activating town groups in kurdish areas in iraq. right, the rock, the central government has less control and alongside the bug cosigning products where the impact kasanya government has less is less governed. partially because blanca son has is focused on india and also like construct has problems with our furnace on the border border is a problem there. many pockets on these would come to ryan for economic has wrecked economic because of economic problems. there's a, there's a long, large pa, cosigning community alongside the border of the saying, mr. mirandi,

the israel has groups that it controls on the border between iran and pakistan that it can off the computer. so then yes, the as well does start fun elements of isis. it does it, how them find elements within the courage step for those groups. and it does fun and gauge sort of had before a judge on how it was also funded by a countries in the persian gulf of some countries. but that's ended. and then finally, the span due to an ad, both our hobby groups that the funding has ended. there is nothing coming from any of the country and the persian gulf region anymore. as far as i know. okay, let me put really what you will say and let me put what you're saying to mr. rashid . what do you think of what mr. mirandi is saying that as well, funds groups including jewish allowed the and that they are acting on the hospice as well. and that's pockets,

dawn doesn't have control of the security in below just on is, is that true, despise below interest on being one that's not the most militarized regions and pocket style as well. it says me here, but at this time it has become extremely, i'm gonna try it because we didn't. the below it's community there uh, extremism tires to the states has tried to wipe up. now, but the problem is that, um, once you meet at the moment of the gulf, both governments, eli and box on me to attempt same kind of peace and reconciliation with their own population. i'm not seeing the tool for many years. we haven't seen that being said, you'll see in box on has been going on for nearly 50 years in the wrong. if it's something similar to what bringing this to an end isn't it cannot be left to be is really is or the americans or anyone else that has to be the local governments up

to empower their own people. i'm and taking kindly development. i'm other such things know that the young people do not a head towards the minutes in green road and miss low dave. mr. randy is saying that one of the reasons that's below just on a so on the developed is because of american sanctions is that's the only reason below just on has middle riches. it has gold and think, and oil and gas it provides around to half of the countries of pocket stones energy needs. and yet something like half of its cities don't have access to the natural gas as well. i think there have been problems of under development in brazil just on there's no question about that, but the focus on a federal government has been trying in recent years to address that issue. but what has not showed up is of course focus of gravy chrome, a crisis which is next, the country gosh draft. so i think there are many dimensions to this issue. but i

do think this suggestion that focus on does not have control or below just on. i think it's preposterous. of course it has control of the but it would just on but what it is struggling against all the activities of secondary risk groups. and that's not unusual uh, along this border with it on as i said, both countries have had complaints made complaints to each other about the presence of middleton groups on either side of the border. and i think that is what focused on has been trying to respond to. but if we look at the current situation, i think there is a need, as i said before, for the disconnection between barcas on and to be wrong. after all. and as i said before, these 2 countries had been improving relations in recent years. in fact, after the, so the iranian dropped or small, which as you know, was mediated by china, that was advanced vote in activity diplomatic activity between pet on

a and the strong bob. and we'd seen, in fact, an intensification of efforts to improve trade relations between the 2 countries. now, you know, all of that now is going to take a back seat until the 2 countries are able to re engage. remember one thing, the 2 countries have not suspended diplomatic relations. they recall that investors from each of those capital activity bucks. so it was the one that did that 1st. but diplomatic relations have not been suspended. and this to there is room, i think for diplomatic, this diplomatic space, there's room for the 2 countries to reengage. once tempers come down, once the temperature comes down and i think that's what needs to be done as a bucket son, it's crucial evasion. the relationship with ron football concern is being a strategic combustion for obvious reasons, because box his daughter has trouble or bored those with india as well as with the fondest, done, and therefore to have a normal stable relationship with iran had been to park most of boxes with docusign

and remains so. so what i think is really perplexing and it defies or logic is why iran chose at this point in time to carry out the strikes, not just against my country, but i'm also against it to the editor rock. and the time when did ron had managed to come out? if it's diplomatic isolation, it seems to have been you know, walking back into this uh, isolation in the region. well, let's put that question to mr. mirandi around. certainly being very busy over the last few days strikes in iraq on what it says is in is really spy base and kurdish iraq and being it also carried out attacks and syria. it said on groups that are linked to iso and who are responsible for the attack and kept him on 2 weeks ago. can iran afford to be facing on another front? a holly ronda does not. friday, august, i'm but i will get to that in, in

a moment. the strike on syria was not on territory announced by the syrian government. it was out of the territory as held by a terrace groups. it was the text on his stomach party which has members from china, central asia, and it's a, it's very closely associated with isaac's. so the chair and government for it definitely be unhappy with the iranians carried out that it packed in cornish iraq . and this is an old problem and you run kind of carry down strikes before, and it's no secret that there are terrorist space as their international media does . documentary is on it, they go to those bases, they need the members of those terra groups and they often western media glorify or highest them. so what's going on in northern iraq is there's no, there's no controversy about it with regards to what happened with docusign as the

previous guess, right. you said there was, there was a delegation in pockets on the ryans were not planning an attack. what happened was, as you know, we kind of series, apparently the tax knew the pockets on the border. and when in 1100 people were killed, that was of course, i said it said most probably israel a different group, but they came in through pakistan. not that the pockets the it is. yeah, by the extra disappointing finish. that final point of this group was about j shortly as it was about to carry out another strike. it gathered in the 2 bases they were about to leave towards the border. the writings had 30 minutes to make a decision that people in the field made that decision that we have to prevent this attack. otherwise it will be in, at the average. the government has in collections and a few weeks, we have posit memory elections. and people are very angry with the government. the name allowed a 100 people that danielle watch, the people were killed and kept minds. 11 soldiers were killed alongside the

corridor a few weeks ago. so they made that decision. it was a tough call. and but i think hopefully now the running government and the buckets on the government will have to sit down together really find a solution. ok? or they have to create a structure. so the terrorist and smuggling terrorism and smuggling will come to that out there. and certainly both countries say that they don't want an escalation listed as she could. how much do you think both countries play into the domestic audience? domestic precious. here with these attacks, mr. randi mentioned himself, the elections that are coming up in a, in ron d. ronnie and public is not happy about the worst attack on ronnie unto trade. the one in catamount 2 weeks ago since the founding of these lum it for the public and 1979. there was an election general election coming up in pockets style next month to i do think that this is a, a very important factor. that is also be mis scouts upon the both countries here on

fox the or uh, facing the same. yeah. in the account to terrorism policies so far, pockets on his face with terrorism noted as timberly to sun, but much small in the northwest frontier province. where it pays about playing of the ttp, which is a box on a palette binding. true that is organized in atlanta is done across the board and. busy inches attacks inside focus and the wrong i had had a spate of terrorist attacks recently with, with new numerous people calling out various um, uh various people being accused of being a helping that to know the fact to both countries of not being successful so far. and yes it is, it's appreciate to say this, but it is, and it has to be said that one way that they can die,

but domestic attention on the eve of windows of elections and diverted. domestic attention to precisely and include the fact that they are not winning the. busy or against terrorism. i think it's a very important fact to find it until governments and certainly governments have control of the region and the areas, but they don't have control in winning the war against terrorism that continues like hassan has been yeah, believe it in this aspect for re long time going back to the soviet invasion of a gun, it's done, and the flight of refugees that came across that. so you're on time focused. uh, and i've got a similar problem stand up yet. be able to tackle jointly in a, in a, in a more friendly manner. all right, a miss lower the, we have a runs revolution regard saying that it will launch large scale military exercises

in the country. se nearby focused on, do you think as lombard could see this as a propagation following these attacks? you know, i think it's all about is reassured that once it has taken the action that it is degree, it was being that deterring any further strikes by iran. and in fact, focus on stripe into iran was also designed to signal to any other country which may and contemplate similar direction and try to come into bucket signing data tree. so i think a box one is the quite confident that what it has done and it has done it in a very measured way in a very a proportionate way. but i don't want to respond to what m a just said about the sun ended on having similar problems. i think because of the 2 countries move dissimilar in how they have confronted some of the domestic issues. we in boxes, i do have an election,

but that doesn't mean that the action box on took was meant to divert attention away from the election. quite the country. because i didn't stop this fight. it was initiated by as long as you, when know a and football consent to take the position that it did. and then to strike, i think was also designed to show the different job taught. the focus of ami was preoccupied with the election duties which of course evictions are only 2 and a half weeks away when they were mistaken. uh, and the signal was very much the don't underestimate focused on the ability and the means that it has to retaliate and retaliated did. but as i said before, focus on does not wish to inflame the situation. that is okay to de escalate. and i think we will see efforts towards the escalation in the coming days. okay. mr. barometer. think that ron has got that signal. you said that this attack was carried out because they had information that they had half a now to act on. what if they receive information again,

that these groups occur planning another attack isn't going to risk inflaming the relationship with pakistan again at this point, as well as being 1st of all, we shouldn't misread the situation. the fact is that a 100 iranians were account and they were all innocent civilians and they went as families. and many of them were women. many of them were children, or died from carolyn and 311 soldiers who were killed alongside the border. they were young man, and we had a series of other showings near the punk assignment border over the past few weeks . all of them, young man, all of them having families running government is responsible for the safety of ordinary writings at the same time, the wrong wants to preserve the best of ties with pockets on the 2 countries have to secure the florida cosign, pass into more into a secure inside the border,

iranians have to have pockets time in that regard. hopefully this will not be necessary. any maneuvers in the southeast of the run are in order to make sure that that area is sure and has nothing to do with the pockets time government. i think the 3rd parties that have a me that have a vested interest in creating their vision dimensions between them. you're out of pocket sign and people make it emotional. but the fact is that the bond between iran and pa kasanya is very strong. and then, as a terrorist will not be able to and their backgrounds will not be able to create it, divide, distract attention from casa and this to the shade. when mr. miranda talks about how the 2 countries have to work together to secure this border. it's a 900 kilometer long border, very mountainous, very porous. how can they do that?

something that they haven't been able to do yet, as well as i say, i think it's premature to be able to sit down even talk about the border when there so many attentions on the ground. the tension between states in box is done, which i hope to get the at least pull down in the next few weeks and months that i had. so both sides come together and deal with this in a diplomatic way. i'm but the other i, i go back to one of the reasons that i'm, this is going to be a more serious um, attempting to look at the deprivation of the below 10 volt, the wrong hand and back is done and improve the quality of life that they, they have or don't have a demo, and you're going to get the best. these areas include just done and like to notice from are going to be breeding ground for terrorism. and what is me is a strategy, a policy which addresses some of the local domestic issues and

$10000.00. unfortunately, both countries are on. if i sign up, i'll be very good. and the slow date, they're saying that that is something that pot, kasanya government is capable of doing after, you know, 70 years of people then below it just on slicing progression. which one of me, you know, i, i think it's, you should, you are completely mistaken in depicting it that way. there are groups there which i thought in sponsored and florence supported, which are active, but by no means do they to present the mainstream of below what your opinion. oh yes, focus on does need to address under development didn't go to just sound good. i think if we look at the focus on iran dynamic right now, i think there is a, let's not forget that there has been intelligence, cooperation between the 2 countries on dealing with dice. so both countries have a lot to lose it. this of the tensions continue. so i think we are going to, i mean i, at least it's my hope that we will see not just the escalation, but

a serious effort by both sides. do we agree on the kind of border management that addresses the security concerns of both countries or i just miss morales just last year. we don't have very long left in the program. china is a close ally. both countries is urging was trying to see china playing a role in here or is it not necessary? i'm trying to click play a role. i mean, perhaps since, as they are pretty new sketch, pointed out that cosign has economic difficulties, perhaps china, but their own interests could help create uh, on the border infrastructure to protect the borders and helps prevent terrorism into my feelings. but i think that one kind of read says, this is true. iran for example, has trying to develop the country it's. it's a somewhat less leaning country. anyway. anyone has been under sanctions. some of

the, as i said, some of the projects went with pockets on i've been gone. all right, sounds of americans belong to the economic to be economy. it has struggled in both the running pockets on and have to do more right in the summer. and ations unique is fine. the prime style feel better in gauge of society. mr. morality. thank you very much for that. i'm afraid we'll run out, run out of time, but thank you to all of i guess saw with the sheet. and the hor, lee. hello. the and as long above and mohammed the randi, in my shop, and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website onto 0 dot com and prefer the discussion to go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com. forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x i handle is at a inside story from me, elizabeth put on and the whole team here, bye for now, the,

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