the torture, all types of torture. it was unbelievable. they would hit us with the bucks of their guns on our heads. 5 soldiers speeding your preventive to record occupied. i mean, present outages in the risk of simon is growing and does have more than half a 1000000 people are facing catastrophic food and security because of as well as war i'm siege, that's for stop pointing from the world food program and other un agencies. so is israel using food deprivation as a war tactics? this is inside story. the hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian 2nd surviving it a wall that has killed more than 25000 people and injured 63000 in guns of is not

just a matter of avoiding israel bones, bullets, and brutality. survival for 2300000 palestinians under siege and under attack. also means finding enough food to eat. a crisis of unprecedented scale is looming, according to the un, with everyone have guns at risk of food and security. in the next few weeks, i'm asked source code for the area to be declared a fireman's own. well, israel claims there is enough food, so what's really happening and what needs to be done to is the crisis we'll be discussing, hold of this more with our guests and just a moment, but 1st not a problem with separate has this report on why many people in gaza, a hungry a desperate cry for help, for the most basic of human needs. so terry, this causes major denise, well, some 8 doesn't get through at all. and they want to go boys around the 11th and the 15th of january means to 100 tons. those, what's the good thing?

so the defense, 15000 people, that's really a very, very small numbers. and this is why we're seeing people become a lot better for i think in patient to wait for distribution. because because that is part of the they don't get the fit function and the confidence that these, that these come voice was comedy. israel says it is allowing 8 and there's enough food and accuses agencies of lying and creating falls. narrative allegations of deliberate is to stuff palestinians, and guys over time is that the corpse of africa's genocide lawsuit that is being considered in the international court of justice in the heat. more than 25000 palestinians have been killed in the school. gaza has been under siege and is rarely a tech for nearly 2 decades. the world bank and both health organizations that before the war, nutritional deficiencies and associates of health problems with widespread and the

strip with pregnant women, an instance particularly effective. the world has listened to the situation with food and all fall, most skiffs and expensive. the prices are unimaginable. one key little of this bad quality, wheat flour is 1012 shekels sets up from 3 in the past. for a much better quality. half of this flour is on usable. imagine that even before the war and when people had salaries, the situation was already untenable. people were suffering right now. it's many, many, many times worse. the war has brought to misery for people in gaza. those have survived, as well as a text, so fall face a daily battle to find food for themselves and the families live in once a day or 20 for the inside story. a will for those suffering from hunger in cause a legal definitions. i know exactly what they will be thinking about right now, but what actually defines assignment? well, according to the integrated fluid security phase classification of food security,

nutrition and mortality. a role consider the threshold is reached. what, at least 20 percent of households in an area of facing extreme food shortages with limited ability to change the circumstances about one out of 3 children in the population of acutely malnourished. and when there's at least 2 people dying per day for every $10000.00 inhabitants due to salvation malnutrition and disease. optical age of the rooms, statues of the international criminal court states, but intentionally using the salvation of civilians as a method of wolf. by impeding relief supplies is a little crime. so let's bring it down. guests from sullivan will massachusetts, in the us, were joined by alex deval, who is the author of mass starvation, and authoritative history of martin simons. he's analyzed food deprivation as a crime and research to forced to starvation as an instrument of gemma months,

from bethlehem of the occupied westbank with joint by rehab jaffar. if it was the communication and advocacy coordinator for action aid, palestine a. welcome to you all alex, let's start with you. what does the word from it actually made in practical terms and can it be applied to what we're seeing right now in gaza? you just gave the, the correct definition as it developed by international humanitarian agencies over the last 20 years. and under the definition, cause that is on the brink of farming. and in fact, you may already be descending in into if i'm in conditions and, and certainly it's applies here. i'm full muslims time and so essentially thank so political, military decision, either deliberate or reckless reckless. meaning that the, those in charge know that they are producing a mess, hunger, and starvation,

and dest, through hunger and disease, and continue on regardless, even if it is not that states it policy to cause death through starvation. the functions of finality triggered by this fight to not by natural calamity, alex would have to actually ration of from an in gaza, actually change anything on the ground declaration of thumb and dustin have legal effect. it is really just an alarm signal to the international community that something needs urgently to be done. and of course, even of one step short to apartment and such as we are now. the conditions are absolutely unacceptable. people out whole ready dying on that's from a, from hunger and disease, the threshold. this is quite an arbitrary one. and that's, let's talk about mount nutrition. and what happens to an adult at

a child when they don't get sufficient food, or at least food with the ripe nutrients? well, it weakens the bodies, assistance the power of the 6 thing. but tara, and virus, and the like, fortune at large. we know from studies that the, the kind of chronic model nutrition that we see in garza and i, i want to make a point that this situation we have now is x the duration of a situation we've had during the 16 years of seats. there are a number of studies showing a chronic, low grade protein mountain nutrition as a result of the seats or gossip affecting children. but what do you see in the body is that you will have a weaker immune system. and then you wouldn't be more vulnerable to infection. slight infections with color, smoke parks, and acute a spit or infections, which we see actually in southern gaza. in the smallest of the children we have

seen of search in r, s, the virus infection. you will have the chronic asthma and you will have a need. yep. one important point is that the pregnant woman who experience estimation or finding we'll have a child that is in the uterus is model tristan with a protein and that will have 9 strong consequences for cardiovascular disease or diabetes. for um, um i ordered 2 problems. and in addition to this, of course, you have the problems with a combination and with the mental development, the children who are exposed to collect mountain nutrition up to all of these on a battery. so you see the medical consequences that i wanted to ask you match off to a period of, of severe hunger when a person does begin to get the right kind of food and nutrition. again, i can the effects that you've just described be,

be reversed. i mean it in children, you know, as you say, particularly with, with, with unborn children that the effects can be lifelong. of. what about adults? well, the studies that we know so far from other countries also during your time and times of the few natural disasters that have quotes from in we see it seems that the, the problems you have while i'm being in pregnancy are not trained or supposed they are lifelong to the extent that the children will have more kind of you, lester problems then people and children who were not exposed to find me and during their pregnancy for the adults it is of course, a matter of how complex your health problem has been and don't forget that from an order or lack of food in gaza is one of the only one aspect of this mind made disaster. in addition, you have the complexity of the trauma, all the attacks and you have the injuries. and we hear from where it's leaks and go,

so that's a 100 percent. all the points are infected because certainly to border and probably also be kept because of the most amount electrician situation. so this is a very, very complex and very dangerous situation for the people in ga. so i need so my make cabinet a burst in a 2nd, 300. give us an idea of, of, of what daily life is like. a family's trying to survive in gaza right now. we know that causes fresh water and sanitation services are not functioning, but, but how, how do people go about finding food to feed the kids? so the situation is confessed, or vicky do some more that if that's a big if somebody is printing and got the interest in buying the bottles of docs and this situation is i just don't want to go to the only thing. think of this isn't an calling,

then we combine limited in the didn't work together. so the families in gather loans have saltisha fluid to feed themselves and get the cost of the bins on a fishing and got a product for did you want to love it for the system? but the system? i couldn't find the lord so they do not have access to base love have access to go outside of the you to the direction. why do we do the top? it says that the got so a lot of the drawing is more the 17 volt distribution. but what's, what's drawing as the so the, the, the image leaves of the big one. so and the big drives rise and the drive by and by the for they said very well and

because also we have to take into consideration that there is no way to get for meeting with or for meeting the good. so so the, so full of making a big hit with the condition that the, the, a severe shortage on the ration. so they have the viewers to me. they are what they do not have a no, it'd be the one of the steps we do that. people in order to get your, the eagles, any mass for the green thing to flow. i the for the week. okay. re him, israel and sister is in a food and forced to for people in cars. i'll come back to you just about a match is what is blaming the you and, and time us for the slow distribution of

a. is there any marriage, a tool in that argument does the you and have enough stuff, hasn't deployed enough trucks and the delivery of the humanitarian in human infinity. and an agent is being beaten is due to the continuous beep it due to the lack of guarantee for the sick people is more cuz i'm also documented addiction to black off in gas in v, in special or donation to prove this between the organization and the structure of the o m b, the look i'm deliberately added to the all these conditions they make, the human interior is made, the items are possible to it's so many miles in gas. so it seems to that they need to amount the through the i'm going through that in

a couple sentences once i'm present borders. so it is the end of the day. yeah, that means according to the estimation of the government and the office needs nowadays more that the to the needs of residents. so before the month of october, i guess i used to receive around $500.00 is it just was, was easy. now is mostly the color that it's all the people that i like. so i'll come back to you in a minute, but not so you want to, you want to make a point that yeah, i think these allegations that, you know, it's all up to you and, and the mouse and the palestinians. and there is enough food from these really occupation army. it's a, it's another blessing fly. i mean, we, we, we do have the statistics from the very punctual and accurate statistics from old

shock coming every 2nd day. and that's my colleague in in the us and you know, before them this attack, they were on average of $500.00 trucks per day. oh, then a 150, at least where trucks would food to sustain life. in garza, even with agriculture and fishing and the food basket that they could feel themselves no after it has to be an average down to a 100 trucks per day and only $7240.00 trucks with food. this is according to the last by pc, special reef on 5000000 gossip. so there is absolutely no doubt that these ro, past being blocking the entry of not only a medical release, but also for brittany. i need to set the limits and deliver plans of mental politics to advocate the people have gossip through the seas through bombing, and through no availability of medical supplies and medical services. i'm the

assignment and the lack of water. this is one of the most gruesome, a kind of shirt to that tax on public health that i have ever seen. and they say so also in the i d. c report. this is the worst of the scenes in modern history. so this is a modified situation aimed at diminishing hill survival among civilian the palestinians . let's call them out to night. they say said waterfront, this is a weapon of mass destruction. use deliberately vice rep alex. what does international law say about sages and, but if the company is the cost of ation and farming, and how does the firm in threshold have to be crossed for israel to have violates of international law if it is violating international law with the siege. but it's more on gaza, can it be held accountable? and those are all very good points. let me just process that by endorsing something

that that meant to said, which is that i've been studying this topic for almost 4 years. and during that for 2 years, i have not seen or studied a situation in which a population was reduced with, with this speed to this regardless, comprehensiveness to state to stop by it is, it is unprecedented since well to go to an as such, profoundly disturbing. so in terms of international law, there are, there are a number of aspects here of south africa brought the case to the international court of justice alleging genocide and the prohibition. the most relevant prohibition on the genocide convention is and to see in the genocide convention deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in popped on the key that gives the intent,

intent to destroy and hold or in part and it will take many is called b, b i c j to come to a decision on that. but in the meantime, they couldn't issue provisional order instructions for what israel might do. and without having to, to, to, to confirm that there is a genocidal of content. and here's the wall. crime of starvation is the relevant one. and let me read that because the, the zip codes in it, but you don't, you actually mentioned in your, in your introduction which is and so let me read it to the full intentionally using start. patients has a method of both pass by depriving them up on chance indispensible to best supply volt, including willfully impeding really surprised. so the key is destroying objects, indispensable to survival, which is not just screwed. 6, that's based on the legal definition of starvation also includes. i'm saying here

is not the intention is to cause death by starvation. the intention is to decry and then clearly it is happening deliberately. there is no question that the, the israel is, is, was strategy include space, massive destruction, of all this essential thing for struct. now these rainy argument is that thomas is using on civilian fields. it has, it's more, it's own more infrastructure hidden in and then civilian infrastructure of entities, obstructing and stealing pages and so on. and some of this may be true, but a violation by one party to a conflict in no way justifies a violation by the other party. but israel is responsible no matter what. if alex israel tomorrow was suddenly to allow in all fade in to feed the people of gaza, i would not allow it to, to wriggle out of, of the accusations the,

that it has committed the crime of starvation. you know, it put no, because the crime has, has it has already been perpetrated at scale. and let me, i'm going to move things if, even if it allows in pain. but it continues to destroy objects indispensable to survive. that would be prohibited. and also the, the, the crisis will, i'm afraid not stop over night. a humanitarian crisis on this scale is like a huge, heavy freight train. and the driver puts on the brakes immediately as, as hard as, as can be put on task many to have that train will continue put some time. so the, the, it will be a weeks, months for, for, for the vision, monetary and crisis, the crisis of, of hunger, of infectious disease, of black of sanitation to be of a tongue. and those map was saying earlier that there will also be that the

lifelong complaints almost of ation on, on pop on, on children. this is not a crisis that can be solved over night and the, the, the, the, the effect i'm going to last for many, many years. we have, we're talking about objects, indispensable to survival. tell us something of the situation that women in particular face right now. and gaza of the killer, they base them. oh, okay. so the, because this is for me on the, to the means of there is some bread. i'm also and they, they say, oh, i increase the nose on their shoulder. and because they need to find the warranty and the fish and for the, for you went to a board meeting and then also they have to wait in for, oh,

you're for getting, get more for me, the breaks for the day. and then so then i'm also a pregnant woman, a go to have his 2 children, and do they mind, give them a sig, so that in your to, this is sort of what i'm all and they also they have to me sometimes it was a good source to and sometimes they will not eat and they wouldn't give the reality . i'm the one they have to vincent to. so the this a crosses, low impact or little mass increases. the increase has been brought. i'm responsibilities all and it may be in been then have added for the day and so and for this reason, the ceasefire, the bullying of the war to be taken and you get this female,

you mean just mean it is i'm going to the corporate via to to, to come this summer so what they did it's, it's because it's um, it's impacts when the stay for a long time. okay. months um, what can we expect to see in the coming weeks? you touched on this several times before, but, but if it's real doesn't to allow enough aid into garza, but what's gonna happen? well, more people will die, avoidable, best avoidable. but don't forget that there are tens of thousands of more injured in the, in addition to that, you know, people with ordinary diseases who are also affected by the time in. and don't forget that when you are in a negative protein balance coming from salvation buckle food, your moons will hear much more slowly. your bones will grow together much more

slowly and you are much more likely to have the affections in your woods. all of this we seen goal setting up. so the of actually in addition to, to making life miserable for the population by not having enough food. they are also pulsing massive medical problems in that population with tens of thousands of or more. they were complicated woods with complicated factors, many of them going to set these emails and die. scroll avoid the both infections. and i'd like to add one more point to these effect of the lack of dietary energy. meaning, you know, if you don't have enough food, you like also the energy to live a normal and active life and the face if it's iris, anything needed for people in golf are now it is to have the energy to subdivide the coal. the, the, the width, whether the lack of housing, 60 percent of the housing for people in golf sites destroyed by bumping to have medical problems to have a split. finally, all of these,

the minus and the energy just to survive the every day with the star base and the energy is to be stalled and so to make life unbelievable, miserable. ok, dangerous. all of these factors are sort of collectively done by his room with the starvation, the lack of water, the lack of security, the lack of medical supplies. i'm, i agree the only the only recipe now it is to stop the bone b immediately and open the gates to go. so alex, we've got about a minute left and i'm going to ask you a complicated question. i'm sorry, but be as brief as you can, please, is israel deliberately trying to delay or the rail a declaration of famine in casa? i don't think it's that israel has this simon declaration on its agenda. i think israel to, from what we see is pursuing its role, which is a determination to inflict as much damage as it can

in the short term before content. national, precious in general, begin to press it towards restraint, all backing down. i'm afraid we are headed full scale. the flooring have been going off of the full day. it's a 120 kilometers in many areas. how does the news continues to define their basic needs to live? certainly here. most of them are. some of the rumbling that happening now, i'm not, is outgoing. what sort of re from here to the 11 east side. there's new,

any place in gaza is considered to be safe. needs that in the north or the south and north in you and shelters or in hospitals. i care about helping us engages with the rest of the world. i cover foreign policy, national security. this is a political em. how, here's the conflict. are we telling the good story? we're really interested in taking you in to a place that you might not visit otherwise. it's actually feel as if you were there, [000:00:00;00]

the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the one sammy's a, them, this is the news out, live from the coming off in the next 60 minutes. at least 11 people killed and southern goals are off to is ready strikes it to you and send to sheltering. the, the 800 palestinians riley forces carry out the tank and thrown attacks on the con eunice killing more than 200 policy billions in one day. also this out washer,