prime minister all candidate according to the constitution. so anything, anything that happens then i must say, i'm always ready willing and able to leave this country going forward. but that depends on the process. thank you so much, tony. checking out to 0. bank of the scientists of those the wells. first i'd be a pregnancy and a southern white rhina. it's how the process can be repeated to save the new extinct northern white rhina. alexandra buys has the story for nothing. and her daughter sat to it's been a day like any other, but not for the conservationists who look after them. there the last remaining northern white rhinos in the world looked after with extreme care under 24 hour armed guard at the open jetta conservancy. but far from the foothills of mount kenya, scientists have just announced a major breakthrough that could change everything for their species. any important moments and i'm really emotional. natalie shakes up an

international team of researchers has created the 1st successful pregnancy in the closely related southern white rhino using in vitro fertilization sheaf together as something which was not believe to be possible. i think as a buyer or let's say like, i guess cubic, consult some bucks to so hot and so effective together of this on our partners and that, that you really made it impossible possible. with this milestone scientists will attempt to replicate the seat later this year. but with an embryo from a northern white rhino implanted in a surrogate. if the 16 month pregnancy is successful, it would be the 1st of its kind since 2000 hosting the last 2 known to exist. not annoyed, right. nose is

a huge responsibility. and it reminds of every morning that if nothing is done, then we are facing extinction that we do, whatever it takes, whatever humanly possible, to make sure that these animals do not disappear from the face of the reproduction program is the northern white rhinos. last chance of survival, but the team says it has great potential beyond that and can be used to save other highly endangered species around the world. alexandra buyers out to 0. beautiful creatures, but uh that is a nice for the payment with me. so robin, i'll be back in another half hour with another full half ounce meetings. next it's the bottom line. stay with the

the man was 71 year old curtis reeds, a retired swat commander and police captain who brought a gun within that day. we just went back to washington previous thinking everything was over like okay, manager's gonna come up, so keep your phone way. that would be it. but that's not what happened. not at all . when the guy sat down, he kept same stuff to my husband about, oh so now you put the phone away and my husband, you know, turned around and stood up and just said, hey, what is your problem? a movie hasn't even started and he was just nasty surveillance footage. just chattering popcorn, it reads mediately fired a pistol, and a trans chest just saw like a spark. aaron just saw him go down and from there a i didn't even realize that my finger was shot as well. i was just so worried about the surface when it got shot, the computer. i'm a nurse or so hard to have

a point. i'm just trying to make sure the size i said with a child died less than an hour later. just unbelievable because the situation had never got more than just kind of a whatever to what's your problem? you know and then his dad and it just didn't make any sense how it escalated that quickly. the i am steve clements and i have a question. as long as us support continues. is there anything that can stop israel's highly destructive assault on gaza from just going on? and definitely let's get to the bottom line. the nothing has changed, at least on the surface in blanket us support for israel since october 7th, the us is still supplying israel with heavy munitions and still blocking just about every attempt to impose international sanctions on israel after un as the war and

gaza grinds. now into its 4th month with tens of thousands of palestinians killed or maimed. most of them being women and children or innocence. and this conflict is rarely liter, save as a symmetrical work must go on indefinitely. in the aftermath of from us surprise attack last october. and so far, washington has given council, reportedly strong and emphatic council to avoid civilian casualties. but at the same time, president joe biden has not demanded a ceasefire. even his mal nutrition sets in and millions of people have nowhere to go. israel's leadership seems to be ignoring most of what they are hearing from the white house. so where's the us strategy for the region heading or perhaps better yet? where should it be heading? today we're talking with aaron, david miller, who worked on us middle east policy at the state department for 25 years. he's now a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. and he's also author of the much to promise land. america's elusive search for error is really piece. it's aaron, it's great to be with use to look at a book on the much to promise land. and the notion about earth is really piece may

sounds like fantasy at this moment. and i just want to start asking you about what looks to me kind of like a quagmire of sorts right now. and whether or not you see it the same way and whether you see an off ramp. first of all, steve, thanks for having me. it's great to be here with your work, i think is rarely some palestinians. and let's be clear, you've got never in the history these really tell us any com, okay. we entered a phase of terror and violence, the exponential rise of dest bose on october 7, ending the punishing is really restricts and effort, and ground campaign and effort to eradicate destroyed a degree on mice. of this goes beyond anything is religion, palestinians witnessed it is in the process of traumatizing both communities. and right now i think both are in a strategic called a set. there may be way out of this, but it's going to leave the prospects for stable, secure,

prosperous cause. and the possibilities of a conflict ending solution to these really pulse. they didn't cover. choosing mode very carefully or conflict ending solution. um, it's going to be a heavier lift and they never before and were farther away from the prospects of creating the kind of environment that is required to negotiate such an outcome. so we're in a long, dark tunnel. and right now it's hard to see uh, a quick or easy way. you have been engaged with negotiations between israel and palestine for most of your working life. you know, a big, a big portion of it. if you, after the clinton ministration term that you serve, you were very frustrated with the situation. you said one of the mistakes we've made is a, we too often acted as israel's lawyers in this, in this conflict we're asking is, is reels munitions supply. it's armaments supply,

are we to deployed on one side of the equation to have credibility on both? you know, the crushing of uh is, is, is too much. is it not enough? uh, is the, uh, the right. we have, we struck the right balance. uh, the reality is given uh where we were on october 6, given the president's persona, the alone among modern american president says is deep and abiding commitment. certainly not to imagine you know, governors, but to the idea of israel, the people of israel, security of israel, given the politics and which he's trying to navigate a very difficult line between a republican party. frank, we've been as emerged as the user will, can do no wrong party and a democratic party that is deeply divided. pressing him not only by progresses, but even mainstream democrats to impose some measure of costs and accountability on

his roofs. uh, given, given his persona, the politics and the cool reality, steve, that frankly, and the 3 core issues of this conflict kind of destroy him. osh, are you great it without really, any jury is havoc on the, on the palestinians. number one, part of surge humanitarian assistance into a free fire zone. and what to do about the day after and the day after the day after the present leverage, frankly, is undermine to disrupt or re by the fact that we don't have any better answers right now. and then these really, stu, i'm these 3 questions. so i think you asked me where i think joe biden would have taken us policy in the wake of the terror serge of october 7. i would say we're about where i would predict. he wouldn't be no, be no open breach. in my judgment, with the veteran yell government. i think the president uh frankly,

has done some good things. i don't think there'll be a scintilla of assistance into garza, had it not been for tremendous price. sure. on the part of the u. s. on these or at least i don't think they would have been any ah, so just released that have not been for the personal intervention of the president . and i think by now always reports are true that in the 1st several days in the week of october, 7 years, trailers were were prepared to preempt. again, just ball in the north, i think by now without the button administrations intercession, we would have had or we might have had, might have had original escalation by now as the president veer too far in terms of identifying closely with these really is no. i think if there's any course correction, it's the failure or the administration and the president himself to demonstrate the same kind of regard empathy and sympathy for the exponential riser, palestinian deaths in the humanitarian disaster that is now the mattress looming

things and folding in gosh, the fact is we could have done a better job lawyer and if you want to use and that's kissinger's conceit, by the way is what was lawyer i resurrected for jim baker. gives me your memoirs baker loved it. and it is absolutely true that in the course of negotiation certainly came, david and i would cut myself among those who i think failed to understand that if you're going to try to figure out a way to create a conflict in solution you're going to have to take more seriously the needs and requirements of uh, of both sides. i don't think we did data camp david's. i think that's a real challenge given the nature of us is really relationship for any administrator. a karen, are you surprised at the divide today in the democratic party in the united states,

that seems to be happening. there seems to be a generational apathy for the very strong support for is real. and this seems to be counting against joe biden, in terms of popularity at this moment. i think that's largely the case. i think there is a greater diversity in congress and on these real issue, look a reality. you job, i'm alone. i'm on my mind. president's how has this view of israel, which developed at a time when israel was perceived to be not the, not the goliath in your relationship, but it may or strikes to be dave. and i think that that can see it has, has been altered in large part. it's been altered. i think it made respect by his real success. i mean these are always have a per capita income that rivals advanced european countries. they are a nuclear weapon states. they've managed, as a consequence of their high tech industry to become

a formidable competitor. the notion that is real is perceived to be vulnerable. it's not weak there. that conceived, i think frankly, has vanished. if you add to that, the increasing right were drift. uh, within these really battery paul degrees, there's no question that adapted and it's still early days, if by april may, june, pictures of gods, or begin to train use railways, conclude the most kinetic part of their ground campaign. we stay away from air strikes and artillery and focus on a more brigade driven, a set of operations designed to deal with tunnels and the senior. i'm us leaders and here few mandatory assistants can be searched into gaza. maybe then you'll get it. you'll get a break, it is and, and the president may, will be spirit spared. some of the more difficult of you

and, and contentious politics with which has clearly been stirred up by this conflict. so maybe that's how this will that, that's the way this will go. but right now, i think the administration has a, not just a hope, but has an expectation that these rallies by the end of january or early february, we've concluded the most kinetic phase of the ground campaign. and you won't see the kinds of exponential rise in, in power steering and guess, and the destruction that we watch. we're now in the 4th month of this war, which is still quite a bit of running room for, for jeff. as you sort of talk about, you know, sort of exhausting both targets, exhausting the system, but now there's bit bit between now and that point you're just discussed. there's still could be a lot of carnage. and i haven't seen stuff like this where we've seen letters by employees of the white house where the state department percolating out being read

. there's one of staff members of the binding 2024 campaign writing an anonymous letter saying your administration's response to israel's indiscriminate bombing and gaza has been fundamentally antithetical to the values of justice, empathy, and the dignity of human life. and we believe it could cost you the 2024 election. we think what we're seeing is a fracturing of use within uh, within an establishment underneath him. have you seen anything like this? you know the field? well, how divided is it and paralyzed, if you will. never, in my 25 years. have i seen the degree of inner turmoil and crisis of conscience that exist among staff at the department of state white house in there for security council. i am on congressional staff does the palestine now matter in such a way in the region that it can't be ignored again or our arab states really. 2

just biding their time and waiting for this to go away from the year of side. i think they have no choice but the up, the and he has to what normalization, for example, between israel and the saudis and cost. uh it will have to be triggered. uh, this the expression or the formulation that the 20 the secretary blinking use in, in saudi was to provide a practical pathway to a palestinian state. now that, that could be reading many, many different ways and great many different options. but at the same time, i would simply call your attention to the other studying develop that a single layer of state. now these rules treaty partners in jordan region or any of the signature to be a brad mccork, the moroccans, the by rainy's year moratti's. i had a potential joiner, saudis have chose to freeze and or break relations with the

state of visual. i find that frankly, studying the silence, frankly conveyed through that unwillingness to break many respects is definitely that i think what it demonstrates it is, however strong their publics are in terms of their public of their public's anger and has still any toward israel, particularly in a storage area in society, so bob range already ravia and hemorrhage. you're not going to have a lot of descent, maybe a little in by her name. but the regimes want to preserve their relations with these riley's and by implication with the united states. and the fact is, maybe we may well be at a point in which there's the right balance between error, state commitment to further and relations with these are in line one a. but at the same time,

using that commitment as the leverage to identify a pathway to what in time in the time could be. still, i believe, and it's still because to a band, and frankly, is to basically given this to despair and hopelessness. and to the forces of history, who would they could speak to or steve on the program which a don't waste your time of this? is rosa, bellowing will never ever be able to live alongside one of the abuse and security. i'm not, i don't want to, i have 2 kids in their forties. i'm not going to surrender a mortgage. the future to that sort of pessimism. no. forget divorce industry. let's listen to what they have to say, but let's focus on the forces of diplomacy, which is why, even at this moment in this dark tunnel that we're in, i still believe under the rightful leadership in washington. and these really

empower standing inside there may well in time be way to fashion the parade of horrors that we've, which, or into something better. and perhaps the pathway to some, to a better future is really to go. since what you just said is quite remarkable. aaron, i had not thought of it that way before in terms of the error of governments in the region willing essentially to tolerate and acquiesce to a lot of horror, to keep other equities in place with their relationship with this real. and the argument is basically many of the civilians, the women and the children who are dying are expendable in that equation. and it raises this really interesting question, which i have been getting out and thinking about for decades as you know, looking at groups that are non state actors, has blonde lab and on looking at how mos in, in, in, in palestine the who tease in yemen that look so attractive to populations because

they see more legitimately somehow directed at the people while their governments are saying now those palestinian civilians are, are not important in the equation and getting something wrong there. no, i mean i think that although how much does popularity it's fascinating, how much is the popularity in the west bank? according to the polls of culture khaki has done relatively recently as trip and yet support for a mouse for the management of the economy. and for the destruction they brought has, has diminished. and that obviously she said, it basically says to you and me, steve, where you stand and life is a lot to do with where you sit. and while the position of westbank are power, say is no $260.00 plus have been killed since october 7, hardly ideal, say the lease situation for $2300000.00 palestinians in gaza,

half of whom under the age of 15. and now $1800000.00, a sandwich in an area roughly of the size wise, the sides of the district of columbia. 5th of that is more of, i think, how much is prestige clearly and their future has been diminished, but there is no doubt that tuesday is butler so called access of resistance, supported by iran plays, particularly among the younger generation, which is why i think it's critically important that we figure out a way to create an alternative pathway because this is at almost 75 years old. i have to say, this is a problem. a generational problems cannot be measured simply in terms of how i measured my life in administration. time in 4 or 888 year incomes. this is

going to require time. but above all, if we're ever going to get out of this strategic bloodiest cul de sac that we've been in for decades, and it's going to require needs leaders or masters or their political constituencies and over their id allergies that prisoners, readers were willing to look at the past understanding what it takes to bring their respective constituencies along. but who are willing to also look to look to the future and smoking. coincidence that break there is in his conflict and coincided with periods in which we had those later begging into dot robina and kings and even yes or, or for ever being in the 1st incarnation in the early ass for years. that's what we need. and that's frankly right now, what we lack, and we also are going to be leadership in washington. that's difficult. given the

nature of the us is really relationship. it's a special relationship. and when we manage it correctly, what is special relationship does not become exclusive. unfortunately that's happened far too often. we can actually use that relationship to create better outcomes. not just for these realities, but for their room. tell us standing partners. i think that's what we need to think through generationally as we watch um we watch this conflict unfold, but make no doubt we are facing in this november probably one of the most consequential elections. uh yeah. in, in american history. and i and, and i, i, i, i'd fully believe i do believe that again, i bought it for a published and democrats. i worked for republicans and democrats. it is critically

important. forgive the editorial comment. is that, um, this administration uh, give me a 2nd term. let me ask you finally for a bit of advice for university presidents, for people who are out there trying to come in and talk and navigate what is become one of the most costly conversations to some careers that you can imagine been very taken with what something bernie steinberg, who is the executive director of the hill l group in harvard from 1993 to 2010, wrote in harvard's paper, in which he said it is not anti semitic, to demand justice for all palestinians living in their ancestral land smearing one's opponents is rarely a tactic employed by those confident that justice is on their side. what is not happening from your perspective in america's university establishment that they might be able to talk about the victims in the israeli side,

the victims on the palestinian side and how to navigate a course. it's better. what do you see going on there? and what would you advise them? it requires an enormous amount of inter street. i think you have to separate yourself very often of from the majority. in order to educate yourself on the tragedies, the sensibilities, the sensitivities, historical wordings that have occurred to both sides. it's hard to do that and it's harder to then insert the fact that this is the garbage is definition of maybe a bit of a, of a, of a tragedy to, to legitimate the narratives. it somehow cannot find a way of to records. and yet they must. so i, i,

i'm not sure how many unsolicited it unsolicited advice. other than to detach yourself from the narrow, narrow anger. and those who have any, any number of agendas that they want to follow through on. and take this through for yourself. imagine, imagine these really palestinian problem is an honest, simple jigsaw puzzle. puzzle on your living room floor right? read as loudly as you can. talk to people outside of, of your media circle. and you're in the side of your comfort zone. i think that's the only way and i, i'm not terribly hold for an optimistic in this environment that that's going to be so easy. given the anger and i still only that the conflict is generated. well,

i have always known you to be candid and your candid today aaron, david miller, a former us mediator for airbus really negotiations now senior fellow at the carnegie endowment. thanks so much for joining us today, steve. it's a pleasure and thanks for having. so what's the bottom line in the centers of power in the us in europe, the collective west? no one is willing to think that there's an alternative path to the flattening and the gutting of palestinian lives in land. in fact, they're still arguing that it's viable if that weren't the case is real, would be acting differently. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has personal reasons, other than military wants to stretch out this war. plus, he knows that president biden's 1st term is going to end this year and nobody knows if he's still going to be president and we lost displacements and block of resources. and from multiply is to refund the data rate and restrictions prevent freedom. placements of rights to worship

from tennessee will continue our coverage of israel will cabinet decisions the cap says and all the political development, the west bank with senior reporting on the line. and this really raised with feelings lost the sanctions and destruction stay with us for the updates and detailed coverage of the war on garza on i'll just say hey, damien to be used as a un ambassador position given to you by or does have both. you've described that is better than is better than anything thought provoking on my question to you. all the good coops i think is the most difficult press than our part to answer facing realities. usb, toe in the security council. this is a major stumbling block, is a problem to access it. you hear the story on talk to how does era

there is no channel that covers world views like we do. the scale of this camp is like nothing ever what we want to know. how does the same people we revisit please state even when there are no international houses, there are really invest in that and that's a privilege as a journalist. the know lots of it as well as the tax on garza strikes save an ice killing in j number of palestinians including babies. the problem. so romney watching on his ever like what headquarters here and also coming up to all sides as opposed by reports of israel's prime minister colt. it's

mediation efforts to end the war problem. massive palestinians. we'll comply with bang saves that being arrested to full assembly members of the.