a scrubbing, sorry. are you doing scrolling radio tape or i'd do that just like exploring how x is central switch to lights impact the human psyche apocalypse made coming soon on outsourcing. what's the risk of india turning into a hindu nation? 5 minutes and their end from moody has just presided over the consecration of a highly controversial temple. he says it marks a turning point. what does that mean for secularism in india? this isn't side store the hello and welcome to the program. i need bulk. i've been to you as a prime minister, the ranger moody has inaugurated a controversial into 10 pulled in the northern city of i owed you. the shrine was built on grounds where a mosque from the local area stood for centuries. that was destroyed by hindu

activists in 1992 and elections in 2014 moody come pained with a promise to build a temple dedicated to the him, to god. lord ram on the very side of that demolish mosque with the temple of consecration coming early months ahead of a national election opposition. leaders accused him of exploiting religion to win political favor. and as moody seek 6 3rd consecutive time concerns of going that he's building a legacy as a leader able to transform india into a hindu nationalist state. so what does this mean for the future of secularism in the country pointing to discuss on the program the 1st this report from how the hash and the looks of the implications of the consecration of the realm temple. this temple dedicated to load ronda, one of hinduism is most of the dieties has been integrated in northern india. it's a moment that the prime minister in or in the more the says down the street by is

anybody the high, the toby's january? the 22nd? so 2024 is not the date written on the calendar. it is the door of a new era. by breaking the mentality of slavery, a nation is standing up. but why it may have been a day of celebration. so the 10s of thousands of new followers attend homeless lives in the country to folks, memories of the blood shed and secretary and bindings the temples down some of the ruins web by be must the 16th century mobile era most was turned on by hindu activists. in 1992, it's demolition triggered some of the worst religious rights india has seen since independence. nearly a decades ago. that is more than 2000 people. most of them was a lot of like any of the oh and the brothers and the it's a good day. but what about us?

those of us who had ruined, of course, will be in pain. on that day. our father was killed in the most was the most to building a rom temple in the city of iowa. dia has been of the court of movies, b, j. p. policy, supposedly collage. and since it was founded in 1980, critics say it's part of the b j. p plan to establish into supremacy in india. what we have seen is that pretty much the overboard view, which in the indian context as i can do is i ism, in these fairly context. we are seeing a nation designed primarily for him goals. but everybody else and the security there must be a deep and religions are really good for 2 seconds. last which was to the opening of the temple also marks this thoughts of modi's re election campaign as he appeals to the hindu majority. to back him for the 3rd term in office, in general elections in april and may. the temple project is one of several

campaigns promises is fulfilled. the also a vote cash me a special turner will state as an entry to use an act that creates a pathway for asylum seekers from neighboring countries to apply for citizenship. one doesn't run the same privileges to muslims across the country. most then say they have been system ethically attacked and targeted since more they came into paula in 2014. these are fear that this government and all the affiliates they want to wipe out all traces of most of them. lifestyle mix civilization from the country has more. these governing b. j. p promotes hand do nationalism in india. this temples terrance as a symbol of both celebration and contention with muslims and other minorities questioning the place in a country supposedly built on secular volumes and the hash him for inside story the. so let's spring and i

guess are all joining us of india in new delhi shows that it will be the national spokes person for the ruling b, j. p. policy and look now show a proud on a political analyst and independent journalist and also in new delhi is milan, john booker project journalist, and also all of the demolition. and the verdict. a book that offers detailed analysis on the ram temple control the c a welcome to all 3. if you have an awful lot to cover. sure, in the course of this program, but india and mostly kristian seek jane. it is a patchwork of many, many, many different religions and that's being part of india strength over the years. it hasn't been but yet the destruction of the bible mosque. and this building of the rum temple seems to say one a thing. so no one the hindus that moody's brand of him do nationalism reign supreme the launch i, let's start with the thought a fair assessment over the years. you know, we do the assessments because uh this entire aggregation which has to be reached

for about 4 digits, right? from 1984 on what does essentially mean about creating a whole the same so history also victor going to, i'm going to be in those. i'm the mom big projector. that symbol in relation which was constructed essentially to the dog read indoors during the video or yeah . so the actually being said, you know, that the box has to be demolished and the 3rd, but to be essentially to the store can do it. do you need the rich the aggregation was based on after the supreme court came up with the doctor on the day, 2019 since 2020 august, you know, when construction started in the middle of the band, in the, in the front had to be not to the trying to sort of in the right. i made it into a political. you want the government for the infinity fundamental elections. all

right, let me check the, let me in to check the, i mean, this is thing that you call this a political weapon. you've referred to a culture of victim hood, you said on behalf of the in do population of india as a way of justifying the rebuilding of the construction of this tempo shelves. yeah, it will be your member of the b j. p. you are also are going to create a muslim as well. how do you square this with your face on your politics? well, i don't see any issue with it whatsoever. the store handles the box again is for one guy. what the and the do, you know, and i look so most of the students. so showing me the, understand the echo. it's related to that. and the sentiment really related to that, that whole bar, though the mobile and video and bro of the country to do since you really made

this to monitor, made them all. i don't think many people live and he is do that too. and, but i also, i don't know why i'm a little should be bothered about this, because you don't have to pay for the service all the i'm of the access to all the videos. this is, it's like saying that all the, you know, all the modern digital them to be just going to do this all the time about what was done to them by the fall, far, those in 4 bedrooms. so i don't see any connection, but so a little bit butler, i'm the boss. so if you need to demolition of what people believe and what the supreme court oppose. and the india also has reported that it was indeed a job. but the place of rob, hidden, do the book, all the best, the most was me this, the, not just the causes you funding for that because it has been a is do you have to do is use and you know,

i'll go ahead and file all the way to yeah, sure, sure, sure. so just so i mean, let me, let me into check because there was an issue. there was an issue and i'd like to tend to show us about this. there is, is a very, very big issue. when one uses the word invaders, because that implies that there isn't indigenous population and there is an inviting population of that has less of a right to cool themselves. perhaps indian short. i have your thoughts. yeah. well, i don't consider bob utter them in later today because bob or was the one who established them, we're going to buy it in india and the stadium. they did not come here to london, go away from me yet. and that also is brought to me was here and there weren't what are some of the, the, essentially the point find they've been do now the same them as a beta because i missed what, but did you mean system doing that? because that's of the political objective, you know, to brand it,

to him as an in way to do. and that is reflected upon common was the country today, is what he has been doing of that is, was she getting the book here by spreading the paper against mostly the when so good does one thing that i would like to point out, who could i showed me as, as the, i mean that be no supreme court never said that there weren't there. are there any, there was any evidence of deb of being debt underneath be must add to that so people know how to do it. okay, let me, let me make sure that because the subject, sir, because there's a lot, but i need to on the tax on a view is shots here before we continue. the problem as good as he mentioned, was built in the 16th century by the 1st mobo m for a bob. but it wasn't for another 300 years until the 1st dispute is recorded. then another 100 years after that the press was stopped. and then in 1992 we had no everything the port they seem to. nationalist ball mob told down the building and

2000 people were subsequently killed in writing. and then more recently, india supreme court has recently given the temple the go ahead shows a why do you think the supreme court has made that ruling as well? so and yeah, is the role. i'm the easiest just using the bottom of the warring factions, if you please, will asking for the damage and there was a live site and they will, they what 3 sites to do in this dispute and the legally and the highest part of the line, which is the supreme court gave a big in favor of the book. it's also advocated last piece of that. up to 5. it goes for a new model to be need for the, i'm sorry, accepted it. in fact, he was there because his son was actually there at the situation. so let me know the name of the business. is it same as funny? the people who in the fall came to a man and,

and the injustice to the different medicines. so i showed you on the shortly i, i think the logic, i think the logic might be slightly full, but it's equivalent to regarding the ultimately so we baited constantinople in the 15th century invaders model thing to differentiate between invaders, an authentic indigenous tax to the logic now and then get it and know what it is you have to do. there is a difference because so many denver, well above good. and so many must put this on top of it. and they were gonna ask, you know, just the service and yeah, i'm not saying that the supreme court said right there was a not, it's not me to show the shows here are very, very key. i'm very key to bring in the lounge on here because i'm very keen to reflect upon the thoughts ruling what you make up this ruling by the supreme court in the long john. i mean, it doesn't seem to take into contents, consideration,

ethnic religious sensitivities. what do you think it says about the necessary checks and balances that exist legally and in the are at the moment as well. that sort of this will be what really to 2019 is concerned for decades to come. and this is going to be one of the most questionable verdicts because they go to excellent judgment, said that when the items are forcing the story, nobody says the monitor in the back in december 1949. pardon me. what's the idols being installed correctly? that's why i didn't do, i totally understand really in the middle of the night, but it wasn't installed. that was the last and then the vandalism, which led to the most being towed on december 1992. that 2 wasn't fitting into that . and that was very much, it was so this 5 saying that the 101 big custody of the please. the last the last had existing to the into bought these by the,

on the basis of the vision of that particular line. it needs to be also said sort of the, the piece of land was ordered to be able to take to the parties, which it was, but so i'm not a single because of a get that is northside auto mall coming up. i want to why doesn't the conversation open if i can, i'd like to pull that board miss out surrounding what many say is a degree of state sanctioned a slumber phobia on behalf of hard line in do nationalists in the country. is this the tip of the iceberg of a protracted policy from the render moody to squeeze out the rights of minority communities? let me put that to you, shot the way i think you're in the middle of the head. it is very evident that this is what it is, movies design and because that has some politically, it doesn't have the model you've been able to create

a vis you 40. are even doing the consecration instead of money, which was focused entirely on him. he was the what to do know that he had run and particularly that he was, he wants to embrace upon the way that it is. he wouldn't brock law. i'd have to say that the law around never existed. he only brought it so obviously it is aimed at making heavy political capital out of the sort of drama. 2 and i bought a job because you don't, you know, not the see any on the go, but i'm be in by. i'll be, i'll be telling people are going by because it is only and done a lot of spitballing things so that they can and gets funded. and let me also find out when what billing is going to be. it's lynn hardy policies in the, in the, in the supreme court. and that in, you know, there was another interesting argument against it that the don't see the who wrote the mind during what's time. which is a very being another early uh,

mobile app or i just explain, i don't know, but it was, it was not exact, but i bought the business of the mobile editor and the ease about his grandson. and he just needed to see that sort of visit online. and this is the mine, which is the guys the problem as far as a short survey. and so if we could have a need to talk further about the city that we could have related to our program, but that would be similar to you, which i'm sure we can probably discuss. but i want to focus on on the politics as well as the religion here. because if history teaches us anything else, but nationalism old for nationalism can get out of hand. very, very quickly indeed on the signs of november. moody is very, very likely to win this next election and india won't come and tell you, so it was we had an opening use of pull compare and what's happening under moody to quote step lives line isn't in israel shelves. what are you making but no,

i think that's the program suggest and illustrate that you have to see those here who are saying one thing and you have once the village is the, was 14 or seeing the other the, the was getting down the side of the story, i think both sides been equal opportunity to speak instead of giving you the would be to talk in this case before, but you also come from a buyer. and i think what are we seeing more from what the woman said to me by the government do just by your factors. biopharma g bio questions is that there is a better permission. but i'm that you look, you get 5. so i think examples to the people too big for me and only on the basis of what you're going to be the one border community. can you imagine the big and you over the and if you put the community waiting for them to track those about the, the claim, the book place, the drum, which is the day, be sure shows here. it shows here you,

you're in the program precisely to provide the other side of the story you the use inside the, the media next the to me that you have done to the, to get and let me speak. but vince, because then you'll be on the side, this is button for all you know, all of the time be given to me. so let me say my physical, the default is pretty please the point because time is running out rather on the point to the point that making it all the binding about the and then the mom to the, to the match. it is the log job is the big both of us are the better. you cannot really gauge your, just a religious entity. this is a box to realize this was the, this is a box claiming the history of okay. okay. so, so, so, so there are given you a lot of the time here, and i need to get all these say a few to reflect upon logical 26 of the constitution. anyway, india is described as a secular country with every citizen having the right to profess practice and

propagate any religions of that choice. the launch on is the indian constitution, no longer fit for purpose. the most do, some definitely is, you know, continues to be in this by the way because we have to the, to be continuing to buy the pgp. it definitely is not the thing to the words of the constitution funding since the set of money in my, on the 22nd of january. the brand is sold also the reason for calling the religious ritual or the all the joint on august 19 2020 also in the new way to get the bottom of the building was well the phone portion of it was made and also very jointly nominated in may 2023 at that time also because of what is the one 1st for all of those religious rituals, the finding the so starts football. me every in the in the sure. then so you're

a single single. so you're suggesting that i'm showing that there is an inappropriate conversion between religion and politics that undermines the secular foundations of the state of india. so that's why i believe the lines of separation between the politics on between indoors and gives days of the actually you know how to make this up here that i think this is a good turn to the 2nd level, but it's supposed longer to india was phone right, shar shamrock, can i bring you all in on that? because we do do things to blame here. what's happened to congress potty? the policy that enshrined a lot of this talk about secularism in the 1st place. are they to blame it for not doing it off when i i fully agree with that the uh, the opposition, ive been not really aggressive on the show. and then they, i mean, don't think about all the media be assigned to, you know, what, all the con,

the constitution of india on the me, the order on the board or the secular. got it sort of the constitution, one who didn't speak in terms of the talking about them, but i'm based on the manual and won't be constitutional, but they one horse in his name was old, but they are doing every thing demolish the constitution of the i wouldn't be surprised if they managed to get a huge my big was the targeting and this new election would probably amend the constitution. although they change the constitution because the is to make in the are the most data i'd be, the congress in particular have not played the desired drawers. no place to oppose this, even if they cannot do it because they don't have a new way to go straight in the bottom. and, but they have every reason to doubt that it's because they are the ones the, the going to swap the found to be, or where the, the, in the 1947 been. and you haven't given to brandon gomez has all it on my dad or we're in yeah for the decades and decades. and now that they are honored by the b,

b, they feed somebody, i feel i have some dogs that may be become, this is a shy of really playing the waiting for that, you know, but it doesn't be because they also don't bed down then they feel that it's my hot bed, even though it's because the in the more money and the because me and they are assessed, they have good what to them. so that's good the minds of the people. so i want to return to, to shows the shows here. let me present you with some of these findings by fact check a india and in due to watch the track hate crimes. they say they've been hundreds of attacks by him do mumps against muslims and other religious minority. so we're talking about lynchings and beatings and several b, j. p. leaders, members of course of your policy including a federal minister for unit 2 to getting away with hate. speech is now written from moody a bold thing, this kind of behavior. so do things for me 1st,

so if you bucks the police made by the proceedings to be good. uh, 1st of all, i would like to say the phone. this body has been the most of the party muslims have been used as one buyer. they die. part of this is based on identity politics. why don't it's a religion. i'm in fact, in the late 1980, because the fact, roswell, so an open, there was a judgement by supreme court given. did you do a wonderful job of i'm in fact it was a problem with government led by rod. you've got the big over the pre bought fos and origin is or need to please the muslims, larry that also the massage any o at the, to the religion the you're, you're not answering my question here. my question, my question is because most of the old, the convincing and violence against non and do you mind or if you're not coming to that, i'm not going to that if you, if you don't you your listing at time,

because the beginning i would have come to that you visit the 1st time buying, subjecting and this is a good go ahead way say so. so let me tell you the bonus bother you haven't done. i've had to be a very familiar and fuzzy and this is a b just because actually rigid is not doing all that is, but the supreme photo did that. this is the above mentioned that you're talking about about hundreds and thousands, i think. and i think it's just so that you say that no, i mean, yeah, is a big subject. differences are responsible in doing also. and then it depends and also members of different thoughts, look good and it should not happen, but you get all the more development, you know, but you still get the right and prior and it hits primes. they have been much more in the time of you be a to receiving the most of the government. in fact, the least amount of by these, the most just getting that it happened in the name of really how to address plane, how it shows you. how do you explain the good you are right since 2002 shows. yeah

. how do we explain the control line? so 2002, when the run for moody was governor of to draw a team, which 2000 people were killed and into ethnic violence when they're under moody was off. whether he could do anything to stop the violence, he said he wished that he had controlled the media a little bit. but so what does that say to you about cancer community relationships? yes, yes, i really want to come to that and let me tell you that the every pull it in. yeah. has given a logic and examiner because that is the more, the i better been died for almost a year. the class and even drive to poverty, or maybe the book is because it happened on the loss of the phone with gomez. nobody talks about the those people who died in those rights were not any. there was lives in who died and that was dropped line and so i think i need to cherry pick a again, bring mr. was and this is my, i'm the to be focusing here a most the or bit autism academic right?

they are but my they want to pause more. these going really because because there's no one they have no job. all right? show shows you. it shows you, i assure you there's nothing mysterious about about so reporting here on inside story. but listen, we are approaching the end of our program and i want you to reflect on something the render. moody has said himself. he said that this is the door of a new era for india. let's start with the shout outs. what do you make of that? it was from the, the congregation that goes is very evident that he was trying to tell people that today. and since he also talked about $500.00 yards of liberty, which is a lot of the, obviously that putting to the bike way is that evidence is largely aimed at muslims, which is more of other than the other was the got to be been don't, don't talk about the british rule in india big, but is that kind of just do 500 yards of liberty and then talking about the

beginning of a new era. it's very evident that what we are in for and that's the new naturalist . bobby wants to establish him, do right, we have new specs yet, which is what the image image to do and let me just one thing i want those uh we are coming towards the end. the other right? the the good job. right. so lets states sponsor big ones and wanted to meet with them when they, because you've got to what is the, what is the right or for the brain such great speak as you avoid being sold equations. i'm afraid we have run out of time, but it has been an absolutely fascinating conversation. shows that only the launch on more capacity and sharps prod on monday. thanks and thank you to you for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website now, is there a don't comment for further discussion? go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is

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