the was the style, the sea and everything is horrible. even explain the torture, all types of torture. it was unbelievable. they would hit us with the bucks of their guns on our heads. 5 soldiers speeding pure revenge. occupied and imprisoned. what's the risk of india turning into a hen? do nation 5 minutes sitting around remote he has just presided over the consecration of a highly controversial temple. he says it marks a turning point. what does that mean for secularism in india? this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm need bulk. i've been to you as

a prime minister. now ranger moody has inaugurated a controversial hindu temple. in the northern city of i owed you, the shrine was built on grounds where a mosque from the mogul area stood for centuries that was destroyed by him to activist in 1992 the elections in 2014 moody campaigns, with a promise to build a temple dedicated to the hindus, god, lord rum on the very side of that demolish mosque with the temples, consecration coming early months ahead of a national election opposition. leaders accused him of exploiting religion to win political favor. and as moody seek 6 3rd consecutive time concerns, the going that he's building a legacy as a leader able to transform india into a hindu nationalist state. so what does this mean for the future of secularism in the country painting to discuss on the program. the 1st this report from ali hashem, the looks of the implications of the consecration of the realm temple. this temple the king to,

to load rendezvous one else can do is ins. most of the dieties has been integrated in northern india. it's the moment that the prime minister and the more the says will go down in history by. is there anybody the high that toby's january? the 22nd of 2024 is not the date written on the calendar. it is the door of a new era by breaking the mentality of slavery, a nation is standing up. that's why it may have been a day of celebration for the 10s of thousands of new follows. attend for muslims in the country to folks, memories of the blood shed and secretary and biden's, the temple stance of the ruins went by. we must 16th century mobile era, most was turned down by hindu activists in 1992 it's demolition triggered some of the worst religious rights india has seen since independence. nearly

a decades ago. that is more than 2000 people. most of them most likely of the 40 into brothers. it's a good day. but what about us? those of us would ruined, of course, will be in pain on that day our father was killed and the most was the modest to building a rom temple. the city of i o d a has to be another court of moody's b j. p. policy supposedly could legend. since it was founded in 1980, critics say it's part of b. j. p, trying to establish into supremacy in india. what we have seen is the premise of award view, which in the indian context as i think those items as amended, certainly context. we are seeing a nation designed primarily for him goals, but everybody else and the security there must be a deep and religions are going to get to to 2nd plots because to the opening of the temple also marks the thoughts of motives re election campaign. as he appeals to

the hindu majority, to back him for the 3rd term in office, in general elections in april and may. the tempo project is one of several campaigns, promises useful field. he also revoke cash me a special tournament status and introduce an act that creates a pathway for asylum seekers from neighboring countries to apply for citizenship. one doesn't run the same privileges to muslims across the country, mostly and say they have been systematically attacked and targeted. since somebody came into paula in 2014, these are fed that this given meant and all the affiliate is they want to wipe out all the places of most of them. lifestyle, mix civilization from the country. as maurice govern and b, j. p promotes hand do nationalism in india. this temple stands as a symbol of votes, celebration and contention, with most looms and other minorities, questioning the place in a country supposedly built on secular volumes and the hash him for inside story.

so let's bring it, i guess, are all joining us of india in new delhi. it shows that it will be the national spokes person for the ruling b j policy and look now show a proud on a political list on independent journalist and also in new delhi, is milan, john, book of project journalist, and also all of the demolition. and the verdict, a book that offers detailed analysis on the ram temple control the c a welcome to all 3 of you. we have an awful lot to cover. sure, in the course of this program, but india mostly kristian seek jane. it is a patchwork of many, many, many different religions and that's being part of india strength over the years. it hasn't been but yet the destruction of the bob, a mosque in this building of the rom temple seems to say what a thing. so no one the hindus that moody's brand of him do nationalism reign

supreme the launch i. let's start with the result of fair assessment over the years . and the way it does appear to assessment is because uh, this entire aggregation, which has to be reached for about 4 days, right? from 1984 on what does essentially mean about creating a cause and so history. all victory going to, i'm going to be in those. i'm the mom projector, that symbol we nation, which was constructed essentially to a dog the indoors during the day. and so the temple that's actually being said, you know, that the boss has to be demolished and that there, but to be essentially to, to store and to do need be i'd be bothered, which would be an addition was based on after the supreme court came out with the doctor on the day, 2019 since 2020 august, you know,

been construction started in the middle of the band and they died at the front has been actually trying to fill it up in the right. i made it into a political, the government for the infinity fundamental actions. all right, let me in to check the, let me have to check the, i mean, this is thing that you call this a political weapon. you've referred to a culture, a victim hood. you said on behalf of the in do population of india is a way of justifying the rebuilding of the construction of this tempo shelves. yeah, it will be your member of the b j. p. you are also i wrote to create a muslim as well. how do you square this with your face on your politics? well, i don't see any issue with it whatsoever. the is fine. do or the body can is for one guy. what the a do you know? and i look so most of the students. so showing me the understand the expos related

to that. and the sentiment really, really to do that well above are the mobile and video and bro, all the country to do since you really made minister monitor, made them all. i don't think many people lived any years do that do and, but i'm also, i don't know why most lives should be bothered about this because you don't have to pay for the service all the i'm of the access to all the videos. this is, it's like saying that although you don't know all the more than did human to be, you did all the time about what was done to them by the, for those and for better. so i don't see any connection, but so a little bit butler, i'm the boss. so if you need to demolition of what people believe and what the supreme court oppose. and the india also has reported that it's more indeed a job. but the 1st place of rob, him do the book, all the best,

the most, what's needs this, the not just the causes you funding for that because it has been a is do you have the use and, you know, all the files all the way to yeah. sure, sure, sure, sure. so, i mean, let me, let me into check because there was an issue there was an issue and i'd like to attend to charlotte about this. there is, is a very, very big issue when one uses the word invaders because that implies that there isn't indigenous population. and that there is an inviting population of that has less of a right to call themselves, perhaps indian shar, i've your thoughts. yeah. well, i don't consider bob rather than in later today, because bob or was the one who established them, we're going to buy it in india and this danielle, they did not come here to blunder and go away from me yet. and that officer is brought, your name was here, i've been ordered. what are some of the, the, essentially the point find they've been do now the same them as

a beta physically that missed what, but did you mean system doing that? because that subset political objective, you will do a brand to the him as an in way to do, and that is reflected upon common wisdom of the country today is what he has been doing. and that is what she had in the book here by spreading the paper against mostly the when so good, that's one thing that people should i would like to point out to connect. show me as, as the, i mean that be no supreme board members said that there weren't there. are there any, there was any evidence of deb of being debt underneath be muff at the so we for the okay, let me, let me mention the subject, sir, because there's a lot that i need to unpack for on a view is shots here before we continue the problem as good as you mentioned, was built in the 16th century by the 1st mobo m for a ball, but it wasn't for another 300 years until the 1st dispute is recorded. then another

100 years after that the press was stopped. and then in 1992 we had no everything the port they seem to. nationalist ball mob told down the building in 2000 people were subsequently killed in writing. and then more recently, india supreme court has recently given the temple the go ahead shows the why do you think the supreme court has made that ruling as well? so and yeah, it's the one bedroom with us. no, i'm the easiest just using the bottom of the warring factions, if you please. well, asking for the damage and the size, and they will, they what 3 sites to do in the dispute and the legally. and the highest part of the land, which is the supreme court, gave a big in favor of the book. it's also advocated last piece of mind, up to 5, it goes for a new model to be made for the sorry, accepted it. in fact, he was there because his son was actually there at the bug situation. so let me

know the name of the business. is it same as funny? the people who it all came to a man of god. i'm and the injustice to native americans the show shows you all the shows the i, i think the logic, i think the logic might be slightly full, but it's equivalent to regarding the ultimately related concepts and opening the 15th century invaders model thing to differentiate between invaders an authentic indigenous tax to the logic now, and then you know what you have to do, there is a difference because so many denver, well above good. and so many must put this on top of it. and they were gonna ask, you know, just the service and yeah, i'm not saying that the supreme court said right there was a, not a big step to show the shows here, a 100 on very a very key. i'm very key to bringing the lunch on here. because i'm very keen to

reflect upon the court's ruling what somebody cuz this ruling by the supreme court in the lounge. and i mean, it doesn't seem to take into contents, consideration ethnic religious sensitivity. what do you think? it says about the necessary checks and balances that exist legally and in the are at the moment as well. that sort of this will be what let it go. 2019 is concerned for decades to come. and this is going to be one of the most questionable verdicts because they go to an excellent judgement said that when the items are supposed to be installed and nobody says the monitor in the back in december 1949, but the and then the vandalism, which led to the most be thought on december 1992, that 2 wasn't fitting into that and that it was very much, it was so this 5 saying that the 101 big custody of the please. the last, the last catch existing to the into bodies primarily on the basis of the journal.

that particular line. it needs to be also said sort of the, the piece of land was ordered to be able to take to the bodies which it was. but so i'm not a single big kind of being here that is northside auto mall coming up are going to why doesn't the conversation open if i kind of, i'd like to pull that board missed out surrounding what many say is a degree of state sanctioned as slumber phobia on behalf of hard line in do nationalists in the country, is this the tip of the iceberg of a protracted policy from the run from moody to squeeze out the rights of minority communities? let me put that to you, shot the way i think you're in the middle of the head. it is very evident that this is what it is, movies design and because that has some politically, it doesn't have the model alone. you've been able to create

a vis you 40 are even through the consecration side of money, which was focused entirely on him. he was the, the, what to do know that he had run and particularly that he was, he wants to embrace upon the way that it is. he wouldn't breath nor draw, have to say that the law around never existed. he only brought it so obviously it is aimed at making heavy political capital out of the sort of drama. 2 and i call it job because you don't, you know, not the see any on the go, but i'm be invited. i'll be, i'll be telling people are going by because it is only done a lot of spitballing things so that they can and guess what is and let me also find out when what billing is going to be. it's lynn hardy policies in the, in the, in the supreme court. and that in, you know, there was another interesting argument against it that the don't see the dots or wrote the mind during what's time. which is a driving another early

a mobile app or i just explain, i don't know, but it was, it was not exact, but i bought the business of the mobile editor and the is above his grandson. and he jordan just needed to see that sort of visit online. and this is the mine, which is the guys the problem as far as a short survey. and so if we could have a need to talk further about the city that we could have related to our program, but that would be similar to you, which i'm sure we can probably discuss. but i want to focus on on the politics as well as the religion here. because if history teaches us anything, it's but nationalism old for nationalism can get out of hand. very, very quickly indeed on the signs of november. moody is very, very likely to win this next election and india won't come and take so it was we had an opening use of pull compare and what's happening under moody to quote step lives line isn't in israel shelves. what are you making but no,

i think that's the program suggest and illustrate that you have to see those here who are saying one thing and you have once the village is the, was 14 or seeing the other the, the was getting down the side of the story, i think both sides been equal opportunity to speak instead of giving you the would be to talk in this case before, but you also come from a buyer. and i think what are we seeing more role from what the b. 5, the government do just by your factors. biopharma g bio questions is that there is a better permission, but i'm that you look, you get 5. so i think examples to the people too big for me and only on the basis of what you're going to be the one border community. can you imagine the big and you over the, if you put the community waiting for them to track those about the, the claim, the book plays of the drum, which is the day, be sure shows here. it shows here you,

you're in the program precisely to provide the other side of the store. you the guy, the, the media next the to me that you have the, the, the to get and let me speak by vince, because then you'll be on the side. this is all, all you know, all of the time be given to me, the people, yes. tree please. the point because time is running out rather on the point to the point that making it all the binding about the and then the mom to the, to the match. it is the log job, is that a big both of us are the better you cannot really gauge your, just a religious entity. this is a box to realize this was the, this is a box claiming the history of okay. okay. so, so, so, so there are given you a lot of a time here, and i need to get all these say a few to reflect upon logical 26 of the constitution. anyway, india is described as a secular country with every citizen having the right to profess practice and

propagate any religions of that choice. the launch on is the indian constitution, no longer fit for purpose. the most do, some definitely is, you know, continues to be in this by the way because we have to the, to be continuing to buy the pgp. it definitely is not the thing to the words of the constitution funding since the set of money in my, on the 22nd of january. the brand is sold also the reason for calling the religious ritual the all the joint on august 19th 2020 also in the new way to get the bottom and building was well the phone portion of it was made and also very jointly nominated in may 2023 at that time also because of what is the one 1st for all those religious rituals, the find the so stocks before me, every in the in the sure. then so you, so you'll,

so you'll say you're suggesting that i'm showing that there is an inappropriate conversion between religion and politics. that undermines the secular foundations of the state of india. so that's why i believe the lines of separation between the politics and between indoors and gives days of the actually, you know, have completely disappeared. and i think this is a good turn to the 2nd level, but it's supposed forward to india was phone, right, shark shamrock, can i bring you all in on that? because we do do things to blame here. what's happened to congress potty? the policy that enshrined a lot of this talk about secularism in the 1st place. are they to blame it for not doing it off when i i fully agree with that the uh, the opposition, ive been not really aggressive on the show. and then they, i mean, don't think about all the media be assigned to, you know, what, all the con,

the constitution of india on the me, the order on the board or the secular. got it sort of the constitution, one who didn't speak in terms of the talking about them, but i'm based on the manual and won't be constitutional, but they one horse in his name was old, but they are doing every thing demolish the constitution of the i wouldn't be surprised if they managed to get a huge my big was the targeting and this new election would probably amend the constitution. although they change the constitution because the is to make and are the most data i'd be, the communist in particular have not played the desired drawers. no place to oppose this, even if they cannot do it because they don't have a new way to go straight. in the bottom and but they have every reason to doubt that it's because they are the ones the, the communist party found to be or where the, the, in the 1947 been. and you haven't given to brandon gomez has all that on by better word and yeah, for the decades and decades. and now that they are honored by the b,

b, they feed somebody, i feel, i have some dogs that maybe become this is a shy of really playing the waiting for that, you know, but it doesn't be because they also don't bed down then they feel that it's my hot bed, even though it's because the in the more money and the because the and they are assessed, they have good what to them. so it's up to the minds of the people. so i want to return to, to shows the shows here. let me present you with some of these findings by fact check a india and in due to watch the track hate crimes. they say they've been hundreds of attacks by him do mumps against muslims and other religious minority. so we're talking about lynchings and beatings and several b, j. p. leaders, members of course of your policy including a federal minister for unit 2 to getting away with hate. speech is now written from moody, a bold thing, this kind of behavior. so do things for a well,

let me 1st though a few bucks the plans made by the proceedings. because uh, 1st of all, i would like to say the phone. this body has been the most of the party. muslims have been used as good by then guy. part of this is based on identity politics. why don't it's a religion. i'm 5 in the late 1918. this port that on the back roads will soon open. there was a judgement by supreme court given did you do a wonderful job of? i'm in fact it was a problem with government led by rod. you've got the big over the print board. fos in origin is or need to please the most lives larry, that also the mississauga. any o at peachy, you don't the religion you the you're, you're not answering my question here. my question, my question is because most of the old one, so give me dimensions and violence against knowing ahead and do you mind or if you're not coming to that, i'm not going to that. if you, if you don't, you, you wasting a time because we really,

i would have come to that you visit the 1st time by and detecting and this is every good go ahead. i always say so, so let me tell you the bonus. bother you haven't done it has been a very some even fuzzy and this is a b just because actually richard is not doing all this, but the supreme portability that this is the above mentioned that you're talking about about hundreds and thousands, i think. and i think is the so that you say that no, i mean, yeah. is this the subject differences are responsible in doing also and, but it depends and also members of different thoughts look good and it should not happen, but the legal or the more development do you know that you will get to the right and right. and then you hit stride, they have been much more in the time all to you via to proceeding. the more the government, in fact, the least amount of i these, the most of getting that it happen in the name of really how to address plane, how it shows you. how do you explain the good you are right in 2002 shells. yeah.

how do we explain the good drawing lines? so 2002, when the runs are moody, was governor of good urology, which 2000 people were killed and into ethnic violence when they're under moody was off. whether he could do anything to stop the violence, he said he wished that he had controlled the media a little bit better. what does that say to you about into community relationships? yes, yes, i really want to go to that. let me tell you that the every pull it in. yeah. has given oh what day and examiner because that means i won't be i've been, i've been died almost to view the class and even drive to the board. maybe the book is because it happened on the loss of the phone with gomez. nobody talks about the those people who died in those ride but not any. there was lives in who died and that we dropped live. and so i think the need to cherry pick a again, big mr. was and this is going to be focusing here, almost political activities better or bit autism academic. right?

they are of that my, they want to pause more. these don't really because because there's no one they have no job. all right, so it shows you, it shows you, i assure you there's nothing mysterious about. so all reporting here on the inside story, but listen, we are approaching the end of our program and i want you to reflect on something that render moody has said himself. he said that this is the door of a new era for india. let's start with the shouts. what do you make of that? yeah, to what we have from the the contribution that goes is very evident that he was trying to tell people that today. and since he also talked about $500.00 yards of liberty, which is a lot of the, obviously that putting to the bike way is that evidence is largely aimed at muslims, which is more of other than the other was the got to be been don't, don't talk about the british rule in india big, but is that kind of just do 500 yards of liberty and been talking about the

beginning of a new era. it's very evident that what we are in for and that's the new nationalist bobby wants to establish him. do right, we have new specs yet, which is what the i m and yet it means you and let me just one thing i want those uh we are coming towards the end, the other right? the, the good job, right. so lets states sponsor big ones and wanted to meet with them when they, because you've got to what is the, what i like or really have been such great speak as you avoid being startled equations. i'm afraid we have run out of time, but it has been an absolutely fascinating conversation. shows that only the launch on will capacity and sharps prod on monday. thanks and thank you to you for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website now, is there a don't comment for further discussion? go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is

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