yeah, the agent of being played here to tell for a regular time when people say you started the tournaments, but only one will be crowned champions. will keep you right across the action analysis. there is no channel that covers world news like we do. we revisit places in the state, i'll just say we're really invested in that and that's a privilege. as a journalist. why is benjamin netanyahu lashing out? so it's egypt, jordan and catherine. he's been criticizing these countries. it sends israel the gun as for on gaza, facing growing pressure is at home. what does nothing yahoo want to present a business? does he risk a nation reeseville today? it is. this is inside the

hello there and welcome to the program and installs here. ok. so it's the start of israel is war on garza and alley all the time. but it's tenuous. relations with countries in the region has come on the increasing strain. it's a curious egypt to booking a delivery is to gaza and criticized content is rolling mediation. the release of is really captive and they bring jordan hasn't been study them as real says it might not renew a long standing water agreement because a lot has been announced. it's military offensive, and garza so is benjamin netanyahu criticizing cairo de honda mon, for political gain, is he faced as close to step down? and how will his condemnation on these countries affect ongoing negotiations towards the se is fine to punch you to discuss but fast? this report on israel fragile regional ties of israel's relations with egypt kata and jordan were considered precarious long before october the 7th. but since it declared war on her mass and launch the military offensive and gaza regional

attentions to escalate to daily israel, accused egypt to blocking a deliveries into the strip. something the president denied the setup and then by the heads, if i were the reason for not letting a loaf of bread into gaza, how could i say, scott? no, i swear egypt rough a crossing is open. 247 every day of the month. the procedures taking place on the is really side or the reason is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu has repeatedly said the philadelphia cardinal. a narrow strip of land that served as a buffalo between egypt and gaza must be on the is really controlled to philadelphia where the philadelphia cord or, or to put it more correctly. the southern point of gaza must be in our hands. it must be shut. it is clear that any other arrangement would not insure the d. militarization that we seek. cairo has wants any attempt to occupy the border with threatened ties between the 2 countries. but it's not just egypt,

the israel slashing out at reports in his reading media suggests that in a link to recording natania who criticized cast his role in mediating the release of his ready captives held and gaza. cooling it, problematic, responding, in a statement on the social media cast as far as ministry notes that if validated the comments irresponsible and destructive to the efforts to save innocent lives. and then on saturday, a seemingly unapologetic that's on yahoo. publicly pressure though ha, to put pressure on her mass by sheila and then cut the cutter hosts the leaders off from us. it also funds from us. it has leverage over him. off and cuts are said that it can help bring back or hostages. they position themselves as mediators. so please go right ahead and prove it. let them be so good as to bring back our hostages pensions between israel and you want to know also growing a 1994 agreement that sees a mind purchasing 25 to 50000000 cubic meters of water from tel aviv each year is

unlikely to be extended and applied to water and energy exchange, which was meant to have been ratified in october, is probably off the table to speaking to algebra in november, the foreign minister explained jordan would not sign any deal while israel continued to kill children and garza. israel's ongoing disagreements with kata and egypt, the 2 main mediators in the war, and it's lessening relations with its neighbors. children will only further isolate the country, hampering any efforts to bring last in peace to the region. veronica pedroza out to 0, the inside story. well on the inside story today on joined by delta ha ha. in london, he's a senior associate fellow at the royal united services institute for defense and security studies in the home we have sold on bar code. he's a professor of public policy. it has not been fully for university and also the

course of back to gaza, a new approach to reconstruction. and, and telling me we have a cuba l that he's a political analyst and a journalist. he was so cool, so the book loads of the land, the war of israel's supplements, and the occupied territories. welcome to the show. thank you for joining us on inside story today gentlemen. we all having this conversation at a moment in time where there is seemingly some pretend, some reason and around a 2 months pause in the fighting. this is all just there are really sensitive moments. so i keep it. let me start with a. why do you think, given the sensitivity of this moment in time, always seeing such rhetoric and, and, and turned it from, from his relatives and yahoo in particular. well, is there any, oh, is also one of those uh, people who are taking hostages in october, seventies. uh, just look at uh, the reports about the statements made by his uh,

partner to the college and even my bank via and uh miss uh, what side of this, what 3 to the we just the all find is, uh, they made it very clear that the law was out being able to declare victory and god knows what they mean by victory. um is uh the end of the government in the same time also we have to keep in mind that's his problem is from the center bennet guns and going to the ice and call it. um, also a popular is that not going to be there for ever. they also made it clear when they decided to join this emergency kind of unity government that they are there only for the war. so from the time you know, it's very clear. and actually he said the he said when he was asked about the day

after the war, what is the exit strategy? he's in the day at the end of the day after the war is the scene in state. so he is now presenting himself not as he can't do it anymore after october 7. that's the protection of the jewish state. as the destroyer, if you lied off the also it women off and you literally use or freeze between is words and the palestinian and i am very sorry, but she is now the primary. this is what is the problem of the sweat. i know investment obviously a huge amount of criticism by simple down the time of, of nursing yahoo, but it wouldn't be in his interest to get these really captives back cries. and obviously capital has been very involved in those negotiations we've, we've, we've seen results in that regard. dr. henley,

these comments that we've seen from ness and yahoo on catch how they relate to his really media that's of the most an accident. so what do you make of that? what's the thinking here potentially? well, thank you for having me. i think it's very clear and your previous guest alluded to this uh, benjamin that's in. yeah. whose primary concern is remaining in the office, and he knows very well what plays with the the far right within his country, the buttresses, his cabinets. me. he is indeed, i'm bound to have to deal and, and respect that kind of sentiment and within the electorate. and within the opinion base of the. ready ministers that were mentioned, caught daughter is a public enemy number one, irrespective of you know whether it is or isn't in reality. and i think that we have to expect that nothing yahoo is going to continue saying

a certain hist. ready and it's like the sometimes they'll be public, sometimes they'll be leaked, but it all comes down to the same thing, which is all about showing himself as this figure that is going to stand up for jewish interests above and beyond the uh, the national consider. ready actions of the country in a conflict like this, of course, there will be many who will say these are identical um, but if you look at the long term interests of even from. ready then the is ray, the security establishment, he's not making terribly many friends. what would you say that these comments off of domestic consumption primarily? so it's on, let me bring you into this discussion because if these are comments meant for domestic audience, i'm wondering how they are going, what is the abroad? and especially as he is negotiations all taking place on a hindering things or affecting things that will yes, of course,

i think in addition to them being designed by the photograph for domestic consumption, and particularly, i think and justifying it themselves to the families of the hostages they also present a degree of frustration that mister nathan, y'all must now feel, having done so far into the war. he's killed almost 3 to 6000 people and he has still to achieve his is declared the objective. that's also, it could be a way to the they said to play tactics within negotiations by placing pressure on their messengers and trying to place those internal controls, these 3 key interruptions, jordan egypt, and i taught under increase the pressure, accusing them of being more biased towards from us in the hope that they wouldn't help accelerate and achieving his objectives. and i think if it is the latter, then here's really miss advise, because it does reflect that she doesn't quite understand the nature of the

relationship between about that and how much it doesn't appreciate the effort that's covered. and egypt have done in particular to over the last few weeks, but for many, many years before that, you know, in his long time as a prime minister, he's close to many crises in conflict. and it was always a thought of who has come to his the rest you in a science by providing the link between him and how much independence and use and, and by doing so he will be undermining, is always on position. and i wouldn't be surprised if the americans are now privately total contriving and saying, please hold back. you'll need to know who are your, your friends in this operation for the people who are trying to help you out here. and not just to take out your frustration on everyone, blaming everybody, but then you know, i'm blaming every other country but israel for its actions and the gaza strip. so it's a very yeah. ok, well established, that's a nice thing to be sorting into. that's what you told her about ratcheting up the

pressure. obviously egypt has also been a key mediator and a lot of this, and we do expect them to be involved in the next round of of talks. but we've also seen just recently at the i, c, j, the international court of justice, egypt was accusing, sorry, israel was accusing egypt of restricting aid and therefore receiving issues around the philadelphia card or as well i see that as well as now saying they planned to deploy troops to rafa ends the philadelphia card or in egypt has, has pushed back already quite strongly on that. dr. kelly, how far do you think this could go and i see you what you were also known as agreeing with. what so a ton was saying they're not far from it, so don't please don't interpret my expressions to disagree with so upon. um, i think that my, my impressions here are, let's say 3 fold. one benjamin, that's an apple is engaging in an incredibly cynical approach. okay. so he knows

exactly what he's doing. i have no doubts about that. and i think that this is a huge amount of evidence to suggest as such. so it's not really down to him being advised badly or, or any such thing. and i think so donald agreed um it's a, it's a very cynical approach. she will make these statements. he will say these things, even when he knows that they're not true. and this has been shown time. and again, not simply over the last few weeks or last few months, but frankly throughout his career. so that's one to when it comes to the americans . the americans are undoubtedly saying, all sorts of things, not all needs, and that's in yahoo. but to other members of this administration saying, you know, this isn't a good idea, this isn't a good idea. this isn't a good idea. and they turn around and ignore it, and they turn around and ignore it. because washington, that refuses to penalize these reviews for any of these action. so, you know, a good sort of, you know, thing you're right in this regard. a means very little in comparison to what?

uh the, the far right. members of nothing. yeah. who is government are threatening to do more than that. um, do you see a box the is ready for it completely? um there's a huge leverage that washington dc. it has over this varies and has refused completely, completely use any of it in the past few months. and frankly, from much longer beyond that, how is that going then in terms of israel's relationship to egypt, they've been pressing cairo on, on a number of factors. and i'm wondering how that's going over with washington as well. doctor, how do you so washington i'm sure is extremely. busy of what's going on in this regard. washington views the peace agreement between these various and the egyptians to be incredibly important for the security architecture of the region. and knows very well that the, the links on security and so forth are, you know,

that are in dispensable um, so. ready when, when these ratings go to the i, c j and they've got an extremely cynically put across the idea that it's the objections that are holding back a. for example, of course this went on extremely badly in egypt on multiple levels. ringback those not least, not least of which, because the is rate is control almost every single border with regards to god's or all air borders. of course all see borders of course, and then 5 out of a sort of 6 out of 7 of the land borders are complete to the control. ready by these re, these, the last border crossing which is it off off is, is controlled by the egyptians. but still with, let's say, is really veto, which is why it is being such a trickle of a going through it real fast. and not because the injections are stopping it because these really so stopping. and this was made very clear by, you know,

scores of international organizations. and there's no question about this. so of course, egypt responded very harshly when the reports that they threatened to pull the investigator and so on. but none of this was supposed to go down. whether do you see the question is, will d, c, apply? i need to leverage and use any leverage on the is really is and so far nothing has been pointed out or the wrong the, the situation and gods has incredibly dire. in response to the i c j ruling earlier this week, following that there was an accusation against certain members of hon for having participated in the terrace attacks of october 7th, the and what the, what happened as a result of funding for, i know it was suspended by so of countries including the u. k and united states, where as much more of an accusation was made against israel at the i, c j, the judge of genocide. and no such action was even remotely considered pulling

funding from. i know at the time of such a dire humanitarian, christ. ready is really unconscionable, and frankly, a more well akiva, let me try this too, because i'm wondering how this is all going or the in tennessee. obviously there's been a lot of things that have taken place in the last few days that the narrative, the international narrative has somewhat shifted, hasn't changed the political calculus one as in yahoo. yeah, absolutely. uh, if you look at the post, it was published this week and you can see that these are well elections taking place today. uh and then finding out what the b x ray administer, the quote would be hosted and we, i see a different government. so i, i wasn't like, it's, you know, as much cynical, nothing you know, is a loose cannon is, uh, somebody like samsung that is threatening to take the whole country with him

down to the obese. so if i go the country goes um he's acting like a role. yeah. the, the whole family is like the family and i want to remind you of a police a this didn't start in october seven's. when the clover 7 there was supposed to be another huge riley, it gets the 30 out and let somebody that we forgot already the judicial before. so i would like to make a distinction between is i'm an attorney out and his gang even in his own cabinet like the minister of defense. so there is a guy who was hosted by him. and because of the demonstrations of the liberal is riley's now was forced to cancel very uh,

his resignation is uh, i'll see. so, um right now is what i is paying the price of this on the house, the legal problems, usually the dryer is due on. he will have to test if i maybe a few weeks uh, probably the call to give him some more time. and he will have to spend 3 days a week in a courtroom. okay. uh, to face it at home. okay. but, but i want to ask a little more about his relationship with some of these need is for instance, with egyptian presidency i, i'm just wondering whether some of these conversations that, that are going on behind closed doors or perhaps of a different toner. and then what we're hearing publicly older, it seems that cc is now deciding to not taking us and yahoo is calls the tool. what . what's that relationship like now? its um, it's not only uh cc, i know that uh, the king of jordan. i was waiting to meet with him for

a very long time. not all the uh, during this time. yeah. um. i know that uh the saudis were very eager to establish diplomatic relations, but it was even made it clear that uh, we have to forget about putting an ad to do a few patients talking about it, but a scene, it states that he made it even difficult for the solid is to uh, you know, to remind us that they were waiting to talk soon to send you out. a modem that you owe is not letting them anymore in the white house. it took some time for president biden to take his calls. now he lost the support of not only the administration, the jewish community, the democrats,

and we have to remind one of us that somebody's very happy about his and this is one, nobody's talking about the iranian support of terrorism. do you run you nuclear program, and is there any well, the where there are huge amounts of reading all dynamics that play here. and but one of them is also the domestic political feeling. a lot of our states as, as more ongoing, so rages on assault on. we've spoken in the past a little bit about the feeling on the arab street to the level of anger that's, that's consistently risen over the course of this complex. is that changing the way that our lead is when regional lead isn't now approaching netanyahu? i mean, as we understood again before, there is a huge difference between the lead, his position and the people's position. no one can really say that is why we managed to keep the relocate against the valves. crowds of single hand to egypt

play to an important role and maintaining that brocade around the guys up for years and years and years except for the days when more she came to park. so that is one position that the leaders are doing all data meters, where the peace agreement and, or, and normalization agreement with us, right? we have talked to about that have not separate those relationships. some of them were doing their own busters. but by and large, they are all desperate to maintain that relationship. not just because it is right because the understanding is that which is the shortest way to washington, is to goes to an agreement with that, that'd be. so this has, this has been ongoing for a long time. a country like georgia, for example, shows the longest border with israel. and it's in a very difficult economic position ever since the iraq war and then the syria. then the cobra came really after that. and today that having to do with the northern border and the drug is this mike link that is generating from syria. boeing all the

way to start with this with jordan, i'm strong arms smuggling, that a lot of economic pressure on the jordanians. and then i states, as the main supporter for their economy, it's in to provide them with the political dollars that allowed the economy to float. and of course, internally there is like a, a pressure coke. it's building up. people cannot anymore to accept which is going on and then go. so as you know, 40 percent of the refugees outside the the occupied territories may have in jordan . in addition, of course, unemployment is very high. it's almost reached out 22 percent. and the direct is almost a 110 percent of the g d p a. but what that thing scares in advance to let to know about georgia is the motor position the jo daniels are taking. and the fact that the king has a prime minister as part of minister, the queen, even that all of to collect eloquence, people who are seen as moderates,

voice around the world. and for them to come in criticism of nothing. yahoo, that just unacceptable. it wouldn't make any notice of say that you have any shouting against him, or maybe some president coming from my g area. certainly nothing for me at on. but georgian in the west is seen as a, a mindful mistake, and it has a lower respecting straight stay. and they have really strong relations with the rest. and people listen to them carefully, but she is determined not to give them an expense. even. i mean, the whole issue of 7th october started with the consistent attacks on our lot so most which is the only part that is under the custodianship of been georgians. and he and the daughter which was doing that a lot of that relationship with jordan had deteriorated. long before october 7th, as, as well, dr elliot and just picking up on something. so tom was saying that in terms of the relationship with washington, how much do you think that the,

the white house is actually dictating the ongoing relationship between these states and israel? so the 1st the just some and one last word on nets and yahoo um which is. ready i want us to be very careful about apportioning responsibility or blame to simply nothing. the whole for the, uh, the states of how israel is perpetrating, perpetuating this more um, all of the, the senior leadership within these rated political system at present is pretty much on board. okay. when we look at, you know, statements from people like alons from the is really the president himself. um, you know, the, these statements were taken to the i, c, j, 4 incitement. the genocide. it's not simply nothing yahoo, i think the, the rots in that regard. as much wider and much deeper. and we have to recognize that because that will be a day often nothing yahoo and

a people not to be naive about what that will look like. um, now with regards to dc and dictating this book, um, this states all have their own uh, security considerations as they see the okay, whether or not i agree or so on, agrees or if you've agrees or you agree, but they see them in particular ways and that particular calculations for doing it and i think that they will continue to do so the i don't think that they're getting marching or it. ready is for example, some washington. okay, so how they must groups there must not proceed on the country. in many cases they're putting down conditions that the americans would prefer to do without including for wider normalization. and it's been very interesting to see how even the saudis, that, you know, they, i don't think there was closest people's thoughts prior to october 7th, but you know, that's not any move towards normalization. now somebody odd is going to demand

much more of a cig this i can substantial posting and components. then would it be in the case prior to october 7th, i think that's on denial. and the question will simply be this. will these rabies move in order to satisfy any of these arrangements? keeping in mind, you know, this, this being all of this uh, uproar about you know, chance on, on the street demonstrations about the john from the river to the sea. nothing. yeah. who made it very clear, do you see he sees from the river to the sea is really sovereignty. and virtually nobody is now talking about even a 2 state solution. then these really political establishment, the are and he was also know it's for all of the problems that i've talked about normalization for 20 years where they are peanuts and yahoo plant is, has, has

a lot at stake here. and as the cable was saying, no k off around will continue following this very place to be here on the outer 0. but so now we'll have our discussion that thank you to or of i guess dr. ha ha. so 10 bar codes and akiva alden, thank you to for watching. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website under there, a dot com to further discussion to go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is at a inside story. i mean as soon as it's hey and the whole team hit by the, of the holding the powerful to account. as we examined the u. s. seats wrote in the word on alger 0 it's one of the was largest radio telescopes, designed by soviet era,

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