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color there and welcome to the program on this donkey, attain the united nations agency for palestinian refugee is. honora, is a lifeline for nearly 6000000 people. established back in 1949, its mission is to provide relief to palestinians who were forced from their homes when the state of israel was created. now the agencies future and that of those who depend on it to survive is under a threat. several western nations have suspended their funding to on right in the wake of is really entries ations that some of it staff members were involved in attacks by him. us on southern israel. back in october, the agency has dismissed several employees and opened an investigation of the united states as one of the countries withholding funding contacts. the agencies biggest, starting in 2023, had contributed more than $422000000.00. on ro supports nearly 6000000 palestinian refugees across the middle east and runs 706 schools and a 140 primary health campus trinity's. it also provides food and cash assistance to

more than 1800000 palestinians on the employees some 13000 people. in gauze i learned at least a 152 of whom have been killed and israel, small or video and has ones that cuts to funding. i'm in a growing humanitarian disaster, and garza will be catastrophic. honeywell more. it has more from unrest school. and rafa the you on agency for palestinian refugees known as honor was employed 1000 of a stop or is that to provide by delay then services to millions of people across the middle east. in java, it has been the main suppliers of food water and shows are the 1000 of this way as palestinian since the beginning of this genocide, the war about 85 percent of the territory is people haven't flipped their homes in gauze on the northern part. over a 1000000 are shouldering in honor where the schools and other facilities are at

risk of as further starvation and permanent displacement as many countries withholding their funds to the agency. honey, my more for the inside story, i was just the you know, so what does on russ future look like and what impact will the suspension of this funding have on the palestinian people, both in garza and beyond, has plenty to discuss but fast this report that takes a look at the owners operations more than 2000000 palestinians depend on the un agency underwent to survive higher on on what is our lifeline, who give us food and drink after the war? may god help the people? what can i say that? but now funding costs are threatening that support and palestinians are appealing to the states to reconsider from on 5 year property. sonya and the comments of bruce in germany and some other european countries on aid to the palestinian people

is a disaster for us today. they punish us as if we were as guilty as the occupiers. the occupation keeps on doing crimes, and yet they are supporting them to do more crimes against us. israel called for the suspension of the agencies operations, accusing it of supporting or to prove terrorism. gotcha, donald, but me from our main goal in the goal is to eliminate the threat not just neutralize it. we know how to eliminate terrace, but it's hard up with an idea of unreal represents that idea of reading more terrorist 3 various means. if we cannot win this will without dismantling, unless you me the b u. n is investigating the 12 employees accused of being involved in her mass attacks in southern israel on october. the 7th. 9 of them have been dismissed and one is confirmed that. but the implicate to them, please account for bailey, a fraction of the agencies workforce of the 2000 people under the commission of general philly lot. so really says it's another example of the collective

punishment inflicted on the people of casa. he's willing that if countries go ahead and suspend funding, the result will be the depth of more palestinians for all the competitors, i'll just 0 the inside story, the, the. well, that's not bringing out guests in rafa and southern gaza. we have somebody is a cruise. he's a social activist who has been displaced himself by israel school. he advocates for palestinian rights. and also we have audiences, he's a professor of international law and cleans university. and there's also olsa of a new book entitled the united nations on the question of palestine. he previously substitute as an equal council for our and, and also the raymond johnson is the secretary general of the wage and people's aid, which has provided humanitarian assistance in the gaza strip. now for more than 35 years, he's also a full mental regional state sub tree for foreign affairs. welcome

a gentleman to our program today. thank you for joining us on inside story. somebody i'm going to stop with you because you're on the ground the in the gaza strip. can you describe for us what one run means to people that in gaza and maybe give us a summary of, of the reaction that you've been hearing to both the, these really allegations that we've been hearing and the stockings by one row. i think when we are talking about on order while hitting guys us today we're out of talking about like kind of the government for that if you z because the is, i don't know, i provide every thing. yeah. for that it's easy. everything got that, you know, in going to save in seattle and 70 percent of the units in here. refugees from 1948 so that the overall provide many services like education, healthcare, even they have food that they said of it, there's the and,

and no one can imagine that they'll know to what it will. it's still there to the sandwiches as their work and i think even the of the a you on a gun say is like all chat like get and the blood food to grow, grow um like get well health organization even they wouldn't have stopped without that the some marketing of oh no to afford available. i don't think that or imagine any of those. it just says with water. kidding. does it fit and i think this decision coming off of the ice is a decision. as that, the telling us is that the indian may be vehicle me thing that jenny, aside and gaza especially not just like the people here. they are not, can buy it or kits or, or bombs. but even with the payment with, with the payment with that, that, that, that,

that needs of full of benefits. and you know, there is nothing here about fi. we are talking about the list which like before, this displays it from all of that. gov. uh government. no, they have to do it off. uh we are talking about a loan. sent a 100000. now we are talking about $1000000.00 bullying for or bullying 5. how. how can offer uh, the app or, or it can a give or provide, provide any services for eh, those sort of you use it. is that is i think that change, or is that gonna be me? and then if you do some of them, it is use for mind being for the date as of now from 2023. and i don't imagine any, see why the lord can talk about the justice about the hill, my life and off thought of the i figure decision getting some donate eh,

the own or why? because it's kind of, it's a june to pin all the people here in the city. bye bye. same, i'm, bye bye, a big big the chronic diseases like, but the rest of it, you know, that is normally this in, in the bottom. let me see it, for example of my tenant, i might if you do a problem. yeah. my, my, my, my family display of from that. yeah. i'll are on the village and that, and 19, for the place. at no time i, i go to order was, i'm been his kid because i have a good like lifestyle and situation. i can go to the bottom of buying. you might need to send it without me. is that that or do i have now, in this situation when i just live from like a department from a government safety thought alpha and then is know i maybe this in the fall of my

says, if me i have been to the own or those i bought me giving me my me this in maybe i will buy because i have many like chronic diseases like blood love, bradshaw. and we did that in fans or something like this. and you can imagine the other that'd be able to home sick with con side with different kinds. of course i'll shoot you an indication of so many we just saw in the gaza strip. it is no, i'm it. john ford. 50000000000 here to sort of buy from the unit site. i want to bring an audio here because i didn't you web doesn't equal advise us up and rough ends and many is. and so you understand a little bit about funding cycles and how the agency also also works. we know that there is no strategic for that. there was already a funding crisis full on how quickly could the effects of these funding cuts be felt on the ground. these, these funding costs will be effect on will be experience on the ground immediately make no mistake about it. as some of your i just mentioned on right offers cause i

governmental services in the gaza strip. it is the largest organization in the gaza strip to govern cause i govern rental if you like, health education, belief in social services, and in times of emergency of the sort that we're seeing now unfold since october. what the international court of justice has determined as a plausible genocide. fam, in starvation of the population as a tool of war, indiscriminate bombardment, forcible transfer of 1700000 people, etc. the honor is the only lifeline, quite literally to those people. there are 13000 staff and your organization that operate in the gaza strip. and in this case, the allegations are a better number of, of staffing. 12 in number had been engaged, allegedly, on the events of 7 october. the agency has a 0 tolerance policy for any criminal activity or outside activity

as it is called a, undertaken by any of its stuff in it. and usually we would engage in the investigation once any allegations are made. these allegations are so serious and the situation on the ground so perilous that the commissioner general of the agency took a decision to terminate the staff members even absent the conclusion of an investigation . so it belies all credulity as to what the western donors expect of on what to expect of the united nations beyond side. and to do the for the kick, their, their money back back in without those funds people will die without those funds. there will be famine that the famine will exist and will will ravaged that population. so it makes very little sense to my mind the move to, to withdraw funds. how do you use the what the lifeline and i just want to pick up on that because i understand that on right is at the moment facilitating something

like 80 percent of a deliveries into gaza. so it's not just apple or facilities, but it's also facilitating aid for other 8 organizations get getting into the gaza strip. as you say, funding is looming. let me ask you right and what would be the impact for instance on your organization? if this does continue, would you be able to continue operating the very difficult on the course on rides, the lifeline for the palestinians, the to some extent, also the lifeline for other responders. they have the interest excerpts, they have the networks and the every wellness stuff. they depend on, well, the services coming up from, from monroe. that's the right to mention. we have been there since 1987. and we are supporting the, for the local organizations. they are there. they are among the i the piece they are doing their best with the provide the necessities. but of course they came back,

generally speaking, for the people in golf saw in the systems to and probably to stop immense drum message on the i think the international community mustn't do their own most to oscars. also know i've said they want to freeze, suspend their system to unwrap to reconsider that. i'm very happy that the way to go with matt is not the most of those was going to just stop the necessary assistant to unwrap i left now so that i would actually give credit to the response to coming from uh, from and off today receive this very, very serious, i accusations that say, immediately they suspend the people, they do the most like a not

a whole organization will do the same as drafted that they have done. so i think we will. so she'll give some credit to look at what you mean, and right in the way that, that you made. the response of these varies manage. the is accusations room and i just want to ask you a little bit about what you think the implications might be here. for israel, because as you say, if right doesn't receive more funding and it's not able to facilitate a deliveries and it is an obligation for a to enter the district presumably as well as going to have to take on more of that responsibility. and i do see that happening when does that make sense? the same day? certainly text that gets bumping. but what uh, that long term strategy is it's very, very hard to see what can be the long term consequences you have for the bombing and the happening. goss, i'm next, i know what's been happening with that in many tiring crisis. will they be

responsible or will it take for granted that the international community and who in the international community will read, respond to that? so it's very hard for me to see it pleading strategy. so now we're talking about the 2 state solution bringing pockets together at the same time. therefore also, i think generally speaking, the products, the names needed to see and that the national communities. since sam about the inputs know, trying to find a political solution to stop the system, john rock, it's not the 1st this phone to build these necessary confidence in believing in, uh, and ben shoulder uh the piece peaceful set for man. although it's long term. so me, i'm wondering what the feeling is like the and gaza at the moment. whether or not

this potentially could, could back fi entirely and, and perhaps create the grounds for further radicalization as a humanitarian situation deteriorates even further. basically having the opposite effect to what these, these done as a potentially one thing i and i think i think that, that the feeling of that goes in and when it comes to this decision to, to continue the fun part of the why does it people like helpless now, and they are frustrated and fill in the fields that they will die because there is no, no food. because that is normally this in because no, any, like basic services for the people, basic and humanitarian services in this type. and it was so shocking me, and i think many of the gazillion, that, that's a legation, it's not stopped by this fun. it's like years ago, the odd. try to thought

a good, not just the own order was all that, that you and it jumps of here. it's working on that a bit to see me. and if you're wishing to to i q as why is that a, is that they are supporting theater to do it is and many of even the most one of the organization and when it comes to that, it does have a suggestion really investigation. we find that it's fig. we are talking about a very huge organization which working in, in i think 5 countries in and just, it's not just think of you guys have been was back in your to them in syria and, and leave. i don't know where that is, that has seen that if you are, you'll, you'll, you'll find the owner was there. and i don't think that anyone, even the area and students so close to about with their like a huge boe out of. it's basically an infinity of issue. they couldn't like get

eh, if they made that it would, it had been, and this had been, how can anyone like mick this at this again? when bit is just a legation and making this collective punishment for all that does the and, and this time when, when they are needing even the people who doesn't need any kind of help before from on or before. now all the people here needing the own or what she needs don't do instead of a sense of that to me that you're describing that for us. and we are literally the feeling list to die, to die. you're describing how people are also feeling does that and by the international community. and i want to understand some of the legal obligations here on the, as we've been saying, the i c j, the central court of justice has just ruled that genocide could be taking place in gauze. and one of the emergency measures that it put into place was to say that

they needed to be effective humanitarian aid entering goal. so that needed to be scaled up is that some kind of legal imperative here for member states. is that a legal obligation for instance, for, for these donors to continue funding an agency that is essentially facilitating that 8? a thanks, natasha. let me just take it back. one step, the 1st obligation is on occupying power israel to facilitate and ensure humanitarian aid to scale and appropriate for the needs of the people on the ground who are suffering. as he said, a plausible genocide according to the international court of justice. but there is also obligations on the part of the 3rd states because they are signatories to the genocide convention. they have an obligation to quote unquote prevention genocide from taking place. and it lies all could you with these? i said earlier that these states within 24 hours of these allegations having been made of wrongdoing on the part of a handful of staff members under would withdraw their funds from the agency when in

fact they have a positive obligation to prevent the genocide which can be connected to obviously the requirement to ensure humanitarian aid and assistance. so it is a highly ear responsible move by the western donors. it's cruel for the reasons that we've set out already, but it clearly is also a possibly meet the legal in respect of their their obligations by my. busy so just say this going back to these really side. look the relationship shared between on right and israel is a long one. and in fact the agency operates within the west bank including east jerusalem. and the guy is a strip at the invitation of the government of the state of israel. this is regulated through an agreement called a co may make a more exchange of letters and 1967. and he is released undertook not only a firm their international obligations to do so, but undertook to facilitate humanitarian aid and assistance to the palestine.

refugees living in the occupied palestinian territory since 1967 and through onrush . so going back to the change, you have the dream and if, if the is released, won't allow us, well won't allow the agency to do its work on the ground, especially the time like this unprecedented levels of violence being waged against the people. and as a donor, as the western donors don't take up the funds to make it happen, that is to support the agencies and monitoring assistance in line with their own international legal obligations. where, who, who is going to feel this breach? we're of the palestinians who are subjected to this possible genocide, going to seek relief. it really turns the world on its head. and i think the western states really do need to think very carefully about revisiting their position on right is the only lifeline to palestinians in the gaza strip. and in this time of genocide, now is not the time to be behaving this way. you mentioned in the western states and i'm wondering where are in states are on this raymond,

do you think that out of states could step in to, to fill this funding gap? i know for me because it really is already saying that this could affect regional stability. well, i have some news today the, the i was very and some others maybe will be willing to do that. uh, but uh, i don't know. uh, i think they, uh, they asked also to step up. but this is, it's a double discussion here because it's the could have the ability of the respect for you and which was established off to the 2nd good bore us. because we have to believe any national rules, that's the, the 2 boards and that 3, so solve the problem between nations. we have to use nice state and nation. and then we see from friday that ruling from ice a j. and it was very clean and that's ruling please. they have to push a sancho guessing to provide them through a,

through many terry and assistance in to go saw that was a very important part of the routing, the they officer, they, they frozen the support to a rock which is the life line. so it's also see and us in that respect to the international body of united nation, i'm in the space and then more towards societies, we need a stronger u. n. so it's also the big nations they have to feed responsible for giving a big stuffed support. also to you and institutions. so i think that also part of the money tires besides the in the space, it's extremely, extremely important. and if not really see that defense thrown, see these no strong uh, companies when we, when i'm small companies was told that depends on having an international

order international uh, daily fold between 2 sheriffs. so i hold that back around the contest when step up . but 1st and foremost, i hope that you and will not suffer as much that's now doing no, well, let me put that question then to semantic is raymond, you're talking that about the ongoing existence and trust in an international rules based order submit is that is there a belief and trust in that system right now and also to people still believing and trust in the united nations of the i think of thought of that decision or why c j. it's like get it. yeah, i mean making that be able to kind of read to us that the inside of less than that a system that the human if dad is a heal my lights knows this a soft because before they they find it's like it's a big issue with just the out of using it, the using it just so the thought you have there like benefits or goal,

but it to come and they couldn't, we got a good. but when it comes to somebody to see me and why we are starting this, this very long side, because that less than our community given the and then me on a few that unity, it's that every with it the uh, account for that, a lot of crime or negative violation for that you're going to tell you a little i don't think that we will reach this point, but they're not on of that much in our community for that. but it still had a question on it and mail what the is really and behave, especially this government. this is very if i'm them instead of the government, which coming in in a plan to display is don't, don't buy force, doesn't do this live on the see. the problem is that, that the 96 bits, they've been able to see me at a lens and with bank and it goes up and it says which all this government minutes,

it is like brings up the smoke that it's visit that a program so that i don't think that it a med, this will have been if we have like that believe in, think of that and thought a national, not an or that is for example, that value on the security council, a decisions or that do not all it simply decisions. if the community fix it, it's that or don't believe mean the laws in this area. i don't think the we will, this is this, and i think this is this, the, it may ship it which coming from the was the of the, of a off of the ice yet. this engine, it's guys. oh, uh, click the bunch mean, not just for them to see them like a vivian, but even for all that you, i haven't fits them because they, they, they thought a good thing. every a you i'm here, john says it may need some, you know, saying the same assignment

a feeling i said before and the other so that it says that pg, you were saying the palestinians were finally feeling housing when it came to the international court of justice. ruling but now everyone is facing even further deprivation. i'm afraid we'll have to leave out discussion that for today. obviously a situation will continue watching incredibly close to here on to 0. thank you to all of our guests for now. so me is i could audiences, and raymond johansen, thank you to for watching. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website also 0. don't com. for further discussion, do you guys want facebook page? that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. remember, you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is at a inside story for minas. nonsense. hey, on the whole team here in the home to buy for news

the good looking out to us. so the sea and everything is good. even explained the torture, all types of torture, it was unbelievable. they would take us with the bucks of their guns on our heads. 5 soldiers speeding, poor ribbons. occupied and imprisoned. what constitutes extent to each end? accuracy. i want you to start with just the facts rather as to what happened as independent. we want peace, we want the education my wants to read of. we don't have to lead them in different countries in policy and it's going to get 50 percent representation and accountability and benefit no intelligence service,

this placement and you're saying you don't have any reports for that. i should just trust the community off to the side. the cool that used to produce outstanding gentleness and elders, the integrity in the pursuit of the doctors and patients in gaza under attack is really airstrikes. it's a hospital image of all your refuge account, the pennsylvania. it's good to have you with us. this is alice has 0 life from the also coming up is really special forces dressed as doctors and nurses enter a hospital in the occupied westbank until 3 tell us the pakistan's, former prime minister and run gun is sentenced to 10 years in prison. some leaking

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