countries they partly in exchange for the government, committing to let somebody in the position because back in politics. now the us says it's reviewing it, sanction policy again mr. madura and his regime of decisions we have to make. we want to see him meet the commitments they made back in october, to allow position parties and candidates to run appropriately and release political prisoners. we have decisions and make as well. if they don't do that, they've got till april. we'll see what they do. meanwhile, machado right wing politically best for him, so she won't step aside for a substitute. come to the bottom, well, have a little bad and we are going to be nicholas and i do in elections this. yeah, and we're going to do it together. it's not clear who a substitute would be anyway, so my position tickets have been bad. others have flipped the country and then we've moved and 7000000 other people for assessing the points towards another vote . which president nicholas, my daughter, comes out until his prize an 11 year in charge of a country and a long standing,

some momentary and economic crisis on home. and i'll just now the 1st person to receive a brain ship implant from the us company in year and ink is recovering well, if the operation is successful, it will enable people with paralysis of all 4 limbs. to control devices with this helps us regulate as gave to go head last year if the 1st trial on patients. oh yeah, i spoke to mont couple bags a professor of philosophy and media and technology at the university of vienna. and he says several questions need to be honest with on the dates are involved in this technology. is it the best time to do it because it can help people with balances? and so that, that's important. it's important that this research is being done, the but the question is, 1st of all, what we should do is, should be looking at a select, must do it, or should we should be done with public funding. and, and also like once we have the data from this kind of surprises, our question is,

who has access to them? where do they go, what, what is being done with them? or potentially in the future that could be used as well to, to manipulate people 1st. but let me just come to the who that you mentioned, the fact that you know where the money should come from. should it be public funds or a private enterprises in this case? why do you say that and why would public funds make a difference? i think the public to the public setting a means that there might be more guarantees that this kind of research. i'm just kind of experiments are much searched by um, ethical communities, and in the case of uh, of must go wrong with their sufficient over sites um for these experiments. and with that, that's it for me to call me back in about half of the to leave off cheers solutions that gives us no hope for future

that we have to find creative solutions. not just turn our backs. i don't think that has a number. think about it as a person, person yourself, and that person's shoes. so as you can see for this is my us, my life, or at least in my life, those dentures. we want, we want the patient reward because the women in my country and that's suite one. we are not denies all of who we are human beings and this has to be treated equally . we are in their thoughts, that's our ancestors. whatever has been done before. can be done as long as the human being is doing it. you just have to keep pushing because no one else can see. the vision is keywords. you a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question as israel's war and gaza approaches,

it's 4th month with full us support. who's going to be held accountable for the 10s of thousands of innocent people killed. let's get to the bottom line. the in the name of destroying from us or any other resistance. israel has killed more than 25000 palestinians and gaza. overwhelmingly, children and women. and it's means more than $60000.00. the stories of amputations without anesthesia are countless, and they're just heart halting. this war is triggered. one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world were palestinians. now risk dying of hunger and disease. even though thousands of trucks filled with food and medicine are waiting literally a few miles away. both israel and the bite and white house still reject ceasefire. though most of the world is demanding one. and on the political level, israel still rejects any notion of a free and autonomous palestine. and the us, while flirting publicly with the concept of a state of palestine,

is just doing very little to move any of the pieces to make it happen. so what's the off ramp or is gaza just become a quagmire for all involved? today we're talking with investigative journalist, jeremy scale editor at large and co founder of the intercept, an author of dirty wars, the world is a battlefield. jeremy, i've been struggling with the issue of american complicity, and i just want to start out saying, well, how can we be simultaneously? we meaning america sending to 1000, pound bombs and that ringing our hands about the humanitarian crisis. how do you see white house strategy and direction in this conflict? i mean, i, i think steve, that the, the, the blunt reality is that there's a core, a morality to the vitamin ministration policy. on the one hand, you have this full throttle support, not just militarily and rushing through, emergency tank, munitions, and other weapons to israel. and by the way, uh, not once but twice anthony blinking went around basic congressional review process

ease to send more tank munitions to these really military while simultaneously expressing concern about the fate of palestinian civilians and often secretary of state blank. and then in fact, the president himself, they speak as though they are sort of of spectators watching a football game and they're cheering for their team or saying, oh, don't do that. when in reality, this whole thing could and quite swiftly if president biden actually wanted it to. so i think what we're seeing is the white house spinning major media outlets and journalists to print the stories about how deeply concerned they are. how does the new line is that um, biting is losing patience with b b, but the reality is the joe biden spinning political office for i have century and you can go back all the way to the 19 seventies and see that joe biden stands out in a field of pro israel politicians from both parties as one of the premier defenders

of israel when it's operating and it's most gratuitous and engaged in what i think just bluntly should be called mass killing operations. this is not an aberration. this has been a, a hallmark of biden's foreign policy career, full throttled support for israel when it's at it's most obscene, i would say. so what do you think the strategy is here? are you, are you arguing that the united states once the clear and level gaza, or is it something else? is it just the fact that even someone like prime minister netanyahu is real, is someone that has been reported to be at odds with, with uh, uh, joe biden is known to prefer donald trump. like, what is the incentive for this white house to acquiesce to what netanyahu is doing as well? i, i think that actions speak much louder than words and president biden's actions are quite damning. i mean, biden, for instance, steve has for decades carved out the issue of

a legal expansion of his regular is rarely settlements. and his sort of use that as a pressure point to say, look, i'm not all in with benjamin netanyahu. yes, he's my great, great friend, he's my good friend, but i disagree with him passionately on this issue when it's come to gaza, though, president biden has been very aggressive and his support for israel throughout the decades of military campaigns and supporting the merciless blockade that was imposed on gaza and i think that, you know, it's a mistake to try to just take politicians at their word. i, i think the dark conclusion we have to draw is that much of this guy's a campaign has proceeded in a way that president biden much must support. because at every turn, when the united states could have used, it's unprecedented leverage in the world to try to stop it. it has instead set more weapons, prevented a cease fire from being voted in it to go through what the united nations has been defending israel against genocide allegations at the international court of justice

. so, you know, i think it's a mistake to say, what's, let politicians words speak for them. the actions are what matter and, you know, on a policy level, the actions indicate that it's proceeding exactly how the white house wants it to. more than 25000 palestinians dead, more than 63000 wounded. you have women having sis, area, and sections with no anesthesia. children are having limbs amputated with no anesthesia. you have a hepatitis a outbreak, you have dozens with one and 480 of them access to a toilet one toilet for every 480 people right now. i mean, this is, this is an abomination. and, and i'm sorry, you know, anthony, blinking is not at a think tank anymore. the secretary of state doesn't get to go to davos and say to tom friedman. so what is to be done? because what has been done is that the united states has offered political, legal, diplomatic, and military support for a scorched earth campaign that has killed an unprecedented number of civilians in

a very short amount of time. steve, i'd like to play a sound clip of you of the secretary of state anthony blinking here and get your thoughts. none of the suffering. none of the suffering would have happened from us, hadn't done then did what it did on october 7th. and had it made different decisions thereafter none of the suffering that we're seeing would have happened if i'm off, hadn't take it. it's acts on october 7th. what are your thoughts, jeremy, as well, you know, you home us and, and the palestinians could make a very similar argument to uh, to anthony blinking. that was also a, you know, lack of moral clarity which is october 7th. wouldn't have happened if israel hadn't for 75 straight years, been waging a war of annihilation against palestinians who surfing palestinian land, imposing an apartheid state in the west bank gunning down,

palestinians when they did what western leaders say they should be doing, which is to demonstrate non violently, in 2018, 2019 during the great march of return. when palestinians organize non violent demonstrations at the fence of the prison that they live in with israel is really soldiers engaged and this is not my conjecture. this is a hard, let's investigate a piece, siding soldiers by name, boasting of how they had a competition of who could choose the most kneecaps of the protesters of palestinian. so, you know, to make an argument that pretends that october 7th was the beginning of the story. of israel and palestine, or even a war with gaza is really intellectually dishonest. but also steve, that line that a blinking has deployed many times. but john kirby has said the president biden has said that the israeli say regularly that all this could and from us we just laid on its weapons. release the hostages and surrender is a came to a kind of sadistic torturer who's saying to their victim. this will all just and if

you only tell us who the real terrorists are, you know that this is, this is sick to use the women and children, the civilians of gaza. um, as, as sort of a pile of corpse that you're going to justify by saying, well, from us, needs to release the hostages and lay down their weapons. there's 75 years of history here that could be pointed to that doesn't look good for is real on a moral or political level. so i reject that. i think it's intellectually dishonest and i think it's morally rapid. i feel it's vietnam. i feel if i were having watched television and seen the, the, the horrors of vietnam. i feeling this, do you feel that americans are hearing or feeling this in any way at all? or europeans or other observers are seeing this as another vietnam? well, i think that on a, on a purely analytical historical level, i think it's an app to comparison and you know, when occupying powers, try to fight against a girl of force. and that's ultimately what from us is,

and it's um, using tactics that are very similar to those used by the viet cong during the vietnam war. you, you can very quickly get yourself mired in a quagmire. and, you know, back in november i started talking about how it already seemed like on a tactical military level. that is really forces were already finding themselves in a quagmire. if you follow up from us is communications. and by the way, i think there's a totally cartoonish portrayal from us that exists and much of the western discourse. and i think it's a journalistic error. i think we have an obligation to understand who it is that we're being told or the new isis or the new nazi's. but when you look at a mazda is communications, they are every single day releasing multiple videos of their attacks against israeli soldiers. and in fact, there was a very deadly incident in mid january. it was the single highest casualty incident that we know about of israeli forces when idea of soldiers and engineering cor, was attempting to reg to structures and eastern guys outside of the magazine,

refugee camp with explosives, with mines. and there was some sort of an attack that took place from home us and from us later released a video of it where they launched in our p g that appears to have set off a chain reaction that actually exploded the minds that these as rarely soldiers were trying to place in these buildings and brought the buildings down upon the soldiers killing 21 of them. and i think that that was in, in some ways a metaphor for where the war stands right now. it's sort of collapsing on the heads of the israeli soldiers that have been sent there on, on this war of, and i elation that netanyahu is boasting, he's not going to quit until the end. the fact of the matter is that this is becoming a war of attrition hum. us does not seem to be taking the kinds of casualties that is boasted up early on these tunnel networks. israel has only been able to penetrate a very small fraction of them. and at every turn, you see nothing yahoo doubling down even as the families of the hostages,

the families of the those killed on october 7th. um, ordinary is riley's, are increasingly questioning whether or not net and yahoo even knows what he's doing or whether it's worth the cost to israel to continue in this matter. so i, i think that there is, there are some grave strategic mistakes that have already been made by netanyahu in this. and the fact that the bible administration is not at, you know, at this point, just sort of saying this has to stop. let's remember steve, when people say all what combined do in in 2021. the last time that netanyahu engaged in this kind of, in a sort of heavy bombardment attack against gaza. and it was far lower and intensity than what we've seen over the past 100 plus days. joe biden got to a point where he wanted it to and he called b. b. he basically said it's burned enough. you're going to talk to the egyptians, and within a couple of days the thing was done, it was being wrapped up. so let's not pretend that joe biden doesn't have the power

. and the fact of the matter is you can read the israeli press, which in some ways is far more open about what's going on and gaza than the american or british for us to be honest. and you can see that the, some of the top defense correspondence for as rarely publications are, are saying what i just said that there, there is real danger that this is becoming a quagmire. and that even within the ranks of the as rarely security forces, there are serious questions about whether this is a viable strategy to continue this way. but also what i think crucially, there's an acknowledgement among the defense elite and israel, that if biden was to threaten a cut off of military support, particularly weapons, this thing would have to be wrapped up very, very quickly. and you know how mazda is demanding a ceasefire, and a full withdrawal of israeli troops is terms to, to release hostages and, and to move forward is real as fully rejected that it's demanding that how much this arm do this. you've got maximum list positions on both sides and, you know, what am i see with ukraine conflict with rush?

honestly, you kind of see maximum list positions on both sides. what do you see is the end state that could be achieved? and are there other responsible stakeholder powers that can change the game in any way? or is the us just so dominant in the region that it's going to acquiesce to this and, you know, let it just keep going and going as well. you know, i think 1st of all, 11 question that is, is, is seldom asked with any degree of sincerity. and the discourse on this is why is there a home us? oh, okay, part of the story is there, there's a from us because people like benjamin netanyahu and specifically benjamin netanyahu. i want it there to be a home us because nothing, yahoo strategy was bad if you have people perceived to be violent. extreme is who call for the destruction of israel inch in power in gaza. that's the best way to prevent a palestinian state from being achieved in the near times. that of a fantastic expos say about this. i'm documenting how netanyahu himself helped to

keep the spigot of money open from katara and whether he kept his ticket of money. oh man. anyhow, he help create that many helps split palestinian leadership, right? that was the one right. so, so that's one part of the story. why there's a mass, but more what i'm getting at is why is there armed resistance in gaza? if it's not from us, it's going to be someone else if there's armed resistance because the palestinians have been sent a message over the course of decades. that diplomacy isn't going to work that weren't, they're not going to be taken seriously. that israel is going to remain entrenched and it's defiant position that they're really can't be a palestinian state. we might give you some rumps thing that we, we feel is okay, but we're not going to ever actually allow you to achieve full independent state or . and as long as you have an apartheid state in the west bank, as long as you have a siege being laid on the people of gaza as long as israel is in control of the air or the sea, the land, what goes in and out of gaza you weren't going to have an armed resistance, and i don't think if you study history,

i don't think that there is any people in the world that would just submit to the kinds of demands that is really leaders are placed on the palestinian people. so if you want to have viable piece, you have to treat the palestinians as full human beings. you have to stop demonizing them and treating them in the words of senior israeli officials as human animals. that's the only way the only true way to peace palestinian authority is deep really unpopular. the idea that you could have most mood, a boss or any of the p, a ride in the guys on an israeli tank or an american tank. that ain't gonna fly. and in fact, hamas has become more popular as a result of this war. and it's not that, tomas, his ideas are necessarily popular. it's up to the armed resistance has become popular among palestinians because from their perspective, they're dying. they're being killed off, at least someone is trying to fight the israelis fight, the occupiers fight the you know, the, the, the invaders. so whether it's from us or another armed group that these kinds of

campaigns are not gonna stump out. the tenacious determination on the part of the palestinian people to achieve their rights to an independent state and self determination. that's just the, the rock that steve, you know, i brought on this show. so some people are part of the american military establishment, and they've all said that destroying him. us is impossible. it is a movement, not a set of individuals. they said at the same time, israel for this, the stabilize is, is going to have to find ways to make common purpose with, with people. none of that seems to be happening. and so when i hear about this, that has been talks about a martial plan like activity you're rebuilding, you don't like and coming back, i'm just wondering how in the world is any of this possible down the road if the level of it is really a kind of you know, deep deep hayton, the stain doesn't have any offer and what are your thoughts? yeah. well, i mean, also one specific thing that's,

that's happening and it's now starting to become a to, to sort of play out in the open is that israel is engaged in, in a campaign that i think is very clearly in violation of international humanitarian law. where they're, they're going along the, the, the sort of administrative border between garza and israel robins exploded and the buildings collapsed on them. and, and the stated objective. and these really just admitted this for the 1st time is not to destroy from us panels or infrastructure. but it's to remove any structures that could potentially pose a security risk to nearby comports is. and you know, this is quite different than saying all we're going to blow up from us headquarters and tunnels. they're actually justifying what it, what amounts to a land grab. they're calling it a buffer zone, but they're taking preemptively taking more of gases territory. so when you have those actions taking place when you're essentially now annex and even greater portions of gaza and stating that there isn't going to be any population there anymore. and then you want to talk about, well, what do we do on the day after?

um i, i think the by the administration is getting played right now by not in yahoo. i think that yahoo understands and is hoping that donald trump is going to somehow pull it off and when the us presidential election. yes, b, b and, and uh and biden are very sincerely good friends for 40 years. but i think that netanyahu uh understands that um, biden's gonna have to start thinking about his own election prospects and how this is going to affect it. it's not just air of american steve that are deeply concerned about this and are indicating that they're not gonna vote for buying that . they're gonna sit out. but i think the us standing in the world is gonna start to be called into question. because this business of, of bombing gammon and going after on sort of law and sort of a ratcheting up the, the low and tons of the conflict that's going on in iraq. while at the same time saying we seek no wider war. this is good, this is putting american allies in europe and, you know, in a very precarious position. and i think that, you know,

joe biden could've been one term president. you could have been very popular. he could have said, i say, you know, i said the world from, from donald trump. uh, you know, i'm gonna focus on my domestic agenda. but instead, what we've seen is by now getting himself completely affiliated with a heinous war that has killed more than 25000 civilians, is not going to be wrapped up in a neat bo, in time for the 2024 election. and, and i, i think it's really hard to, to draw any conclusion other than bite and supports this with some minor cab the odds because he's allowing it to continue. um, there's a tinderbox here that's, that's, that's blowing. and it's blowing up, right as the us election is, is, is getting underway. jeremy, i've read you for years. i've been reading your recent powerful expos days and analysis of what's going on if you're not pulling your punches like others in american media in global media have done on this crisis. how are you doing?

how's the intercept doing, playing this role or no um, when, when you, when you stick out this position and you know, we have done a big series on joe biden and his politics over 50 years, right when he was inaugurated and i, i did the lead reporting on the as real section of it i, i knew as soon as from us led those rates on october 7th that this was going to be a paradigm shattering moment. and you know, the interceptor staked out a position because we don't believe in objectivity as it's defined by corporate, elite media outlets. and politicians, we believe accuracy is the most important component of journalism. but sometimes steve, the truth is just true. and in this case, we have a historic moment where the united states, in germany, britain, are on the wrong side of history. and i think that it takes, it takes journalist journalistic principles to stand up and say, you know what we, we believe that our readers have the right to understand the cold, hard facts. and we get a lot of mail messages from people saying they're not going to donate to the

intercept anymore that they aren't gonna support the intercept anymore. it's a very difficult fundraising environment, given what the intercept has been reporting on over the past several months. we wouldn't change it for anything, steve, because i think it matters and, and i'm ashamed of our colleagues in american media for the silence over the killing of our journalistic colleagues from al jazeera, independent, palestinian journalists on the ground. you know this, this is, we all were shocked and horrified when jamal showed you was killed. i was outraged . angry, i think i've endorse, give, it should be free from his prison. in russia. serena a block club, an american citizen working for all to 0 was assassinated by israel on the west bank and by the administration, it stymied the investigation into her killing dozens upon dozens of our colleagues have been murdered along with their family members in gaza. we cannot be silent. we

must speak up in defense of our colleagues and stand in solidarity. the murder of journalists must stop. this must be called for from the highest levers of power in the united states. and in the lead media, democracy dies in the darkness. our colleagues are being built in broad daylight. it's got to stop while jeremy. thank you. thank you steve. powerful, jeremy scale, co founder and editor at the intercept. thank you so much for being with us. my pleasure. so what's the bottom line blow back was a term used by the c i a and made popular by the book blow back. consequences of american empire by thomas johnson during the us wars in afghanistan and iraq is really leaders swear that nothing is going to stop them from flattening, gaza and destroying any possibility for life and the gaza strip for years to come. my guest argues that none of this could have happened without full us support, which makes this country complicit in this ongoing hor generation. so palestinians

are now going to have to try and pick up pieces of their lives, but it's not going to be their problem alone. this has now become one of the world's biggest problems responsibility for gaza and the palestinian issue at large now falls on the shoulders of the whole world. not just the era of world, the anger and the nightmare. instead of going to see from a future, gaza will find legitimacy in this horrible time. just like for us adventures in the middle east, at the beginning of this century, intended or not, the consequences of this war and gaza are going to. so the seat of a back or blow back, and no one knows how or when the bills are going to come to you. and that's the bottom line. the many have seen the war on guns us through the lens of photo journalist mo tons of size. the most terrifying pictures i never thought i never saw or even was able i

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