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hello. welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again. it's been full months since israel launched it's devastating blow on guns. i kidding. more than 27000 people, and injuring tens of thousands more with catastrophic destruction. diplomatic efforts led by casa egypt to the us to stop the bombardment brought a response from home us. it's proposal for a cx. 5 deal includes the withdrawal of israeli troops and the release of captives and concepts. so follow is wildly that benjamin netanyahu is dismissed, but also so where might things go from here and put these diplomatic efforts the fruits. we'll get to our guest in just a moment. the 1st, the reports from image and came up the of the full months of when it doesn't appear that israel's bombardment of goals is a bite to stop. ringback how much proposed for the whole month ceased for in exchange for israel moving a little bit soldiers and the release of captives and garza, among other demons. these ready prime minister pit to dismiss the plan on wednesday,

saying there months of fighting ahead to cheat. his aim of destroying him, us there are a lot for that. he's insistence on containing digression. got to go to confirm that the goal of digression on because is that it's a genocide against the palestinian people. are good to see the terms of the ceasefire. outlined by how mosque was in response to negotiation efforts led by cattle, egypt, and the united states. despite in espanol, whose comments us secretary of state and the blinking is optimistic, oppose, and hostilities is still a possibility. i can tell you about these discussions is that while there are some clear non starters in a mazda is response, we do think it create space for agreement to be reached. and we will work at that relentlessly until we get there. but it's not clear how that can happen, what israel is still building closer, and it's full series of pushing into the side, as i said,

to the prime minister and to other is really officials today of the daily toll that its military operations continues to take on into the business, the civilians remains too high. yet there's no end to the suffering of palestinians . more than 27 size and people have been killed. and more than $67.00 size and injured and goals as they fall, and millions and not at risk of salvation. unless the zillow sting ceased far more tax will fully image and kinda out to 0. the inside story. let's get more on what might be going on behind the scenes. let's talk down to one correspondence. how shall muscle thought are? who's been covering the ongoing tools which been taking place in various countries? fashion is relevant, has rejected how mazda cx, 5 proposals, where does that leave the palace to trying to pull together some sort of deal? while edwin, when we look at the statements that they do not reflect what is happening behind close tools, how may i ask, for example, it has sent a top delegation to cairo,

led by highly that how you, how did, how ya is the chairman of the leader of how much ink does a, how much has to leave the ships one, which is a political bureau based heading though. huh. but the top military and politically combined is yes. yes. and what about how much they've based in gaza, the deputy chairman of gaza or the deputy of u. s. and y is entitled, it's always a strong indication that they are going to be talking about some of the specifics of the agreement, humanitarian aid, and the release of hostages. and when it comes to the release of the hostages, you have to talk about the arrangements. secuity arrangements, the route that they would have to take causing them over to the a gibson slide that some of the egyptian side they would have to fly or drive all the way to is right. and it's a very complex option. this deal, if you help is he's going to be the most delicate, the most critical in old, the deals find between these bodies and the how much in the past, and how much attached a list of demands to it's the positive,

the response to the agreement and for those demands to be met, this is why would expecting them these riders, chief negotiators to be talking about those details and then hoping to be able to get to a certain agreement in the upcoming weeks. meanwhile, israel is bombing up, guns that go on, goes on, people are continuing to die. time is of the essence here. so, so how quickly can all of this happen? the 2 tracks here at adrian, there is, there is this, this, the state to track over and push to try to bring about an agreement. at the same time, there is a meeting inside the radio out of minutes as a flooded up, as which is going to be dedicated to talk about the security of only arrangements in the future. what's the next is how much going to have any say if the policy of, of policy is going to take over. you have to have both political and financial

backing from the key regional pay is a representative of the policy and i'll forward it to you is going to be taking part in that meeting. and the ultimate goal for the americans would be you have a deal which spots before my bon extends throughout from of the phase the way for the general positive environment. and this is why they won't the saudis to step in and normalize with these variety. so father saudis, out of saying, wait, we will do it for that to happen. we'll have to come to an end and we need a roadmap for the establishment of a policy and state. so that for this explains why the american and who's pressure to come up with something tangible before the elections of this is why they're pushing these riley's to come up with some sort of an agreement when it comes to the dean with how much is a critical moment for all the policies, and this explains why they are so tight. lipped does not necessarily mean that behind closed doors, there's no progress. how does there is, how should i, how about a manufacture date?

how should i, let's bring it, i guess, for today's discussion from new york, we're joined by danny olivia, president of the us middle east project. and a full mouth piece negotiates of israel in ramallah is most stuff about gucci, secretary general of the palestinian national initiative. federal, so we brought in washington, dc. akbar shaheed, ahmed city, a diplomatic correspondent for how 1st has been reported on the by the administration's gauze, that policy, it will welcome to you. oh gentlemen, daniel, let's start with you. of the consensus seems to be among mediators. but this is the closest we've come to a cease 5 since november. would you agree? we're obviously not the yet. how far from a meaningful deal all way? i think the distance is still very significant. we have had these ready 5 minutes to go. the break detailed public proposal has been made public by how much delusional. we've seen the secretary of state clinton. cool. some of those

positions not in stopped as he has not used that word to describe these rate refusal to accept any kind of see slide, the positions that nothing y'all was taken. so i think with some distance away. and that is not where we should be given the situation in golf. so given to her, written just step of station and suffering into monetary and crisis, and civilian dest, i'm what is now a waiting. rafa we are not see, i think we have to be clear about this. there's a lot of speed. we are not seeing the kind of leverage that america could be placing only is radii side to get this to and, and to get this to end now, which is going to be necessary and that is, feels conspicuously absent unfortunately. so what do you think is going on behind the scenes right now? who's, who's talking to who a who is, is, is wielding that, but the ex, if you like, is, is, is pushing people in the direction they want them to go. let's not be bamboozled by

one of the what's going on behind the scenes. i think there's a lot of transparency to this. we do know that there is a category in the kitchen mediation with a mosque. i'm also not directly involved in talks and i do with these re potty, no. with the united states, there is only so much that those parties are going to be able to extract from how much if there is not serious movement on these raise side. i think what we know is that these ready prime minister would like to get some of the civilians out, but not of the cost of ending his devastating war on dollars. a he has been clear about that know that the cost of withdrawing the military from gaza, nor the cost of releasing these high value as they are cooled prisoners and without moving till those fronts. we're going to be left with the balance of forces dynamics on the battlefield when neither side is apparently feeling enough attrition and enough pressure to seriously move back from its positions or domestic pressure inside this room or pressure all these role from the outside that is

primarily unfortunately, the united states, united states is not a human rights organization. it is not a country that actually, according to international law, it acts according to what it seems to be its interest. so those interests are going to need to be impacted if the united states is going to route, including the narrow political interest of the president who is doing everything right now to not be re elected. so the pressure that matches the international pressure of cool south africa's move at the i c. j still hope is about the sped 26 is the 30 day deadline on the provisional measures. so there is a lot more need in terms of pressure. the stuff up i go to what put a meaningful deal acceptable to all parties looked like. and what do you think the chances are of getting that deal? well, i agree that the chances would be much better than i could. states of america changes its position and starts opposing an immediate treadmill. nancy's fire allowing

this thrust city in garza allowing to the continuation of the city water crowds of the same time, the crime movies inside the work that are most collective punishment on the crime. most is mckenzie, and i do believe that the what, what is needed as a and the use of course the listing of existence is showing some flexibility here by accepting entered m deals that will lead to pay them and eventually ceasefire. and then the beginning of the initiation of exchange of customers, the is what it is going to get the present, those without the losing meaningful number of ballasting and presidents and especially those are the same thing, very long terms. and so, so that's, that's the possible situation, but it is unimaginable that it would be interim deals and the intimacies fire and then is that i would get on it's uh, presenters and then continue. is that tactical guys that is unacceptable. of course

we see here nothing at all doing to things of the same time. nathaniel is blamed with fire using the search of initiating the media to go patient hands off knowing very well that this would be the largest must have good in modern history. and he's using that as an instrument of pressure in the negotiations that started to happen today and title. and at the same time, here's the problem with it goes on plan, which has to continue with this word for it. but because you know it's very wasn't the end of this word would mean an endo cuz it puts car life here. he would be probably taken to prison with the 4 cases of corruption against him and he wouldn't be accused of that. it was failure. on the 7th of october. and d, as in fox, not should be it with guidelines and other major military lead doesn't is then we'll also be accused of feeling even in this war. but on the that i'm sibling and faxed out of intensity and is that is the pressure of the firm?

it is a prison of school. now, no, that's nothing. you know, is there any to can all the is there any present those who doesn't care about their life to stay and follow? but the, the objection to his policy is growing and it is becoming a combination of feminism isn't as demanding the ceasefire and demanding exchange and also can a combination and combination with the whole amount of objection to him. staying as prime minister is the quoted for his removal. and that is a very interesting, a very interesting pulls that up here today, showing that to 51 percent of that is there is but it said a give 3 oddity to bring back representatives. 157 percent off for the cooking, her mouse, which nothing else goes for. but more than 71 percent, one new elections and is an immediate. okay. i'll show you don't come to you in

just a moment, but i can see tiny, noting vigorously that jenny was able to do it to come in when i type stuff, it just reminded us. so he's very respect refresher inside these are out of the families. some of those released already held a press conference cooling for this release, and then he is where i think the us administration is again going off on the wrong time just by trying to rebuild these route with the saudi normalization. we have seen the normalization cuz only in cars, just right extremism off of an organization with the u. a. an office. you should put that aside. that's the, that's a, a pipe dream. he's tracing and focused on the ceasefire. the release deal, the hostages out the prison is out getting the ceasefire. that's where the vulnerability lies. rather than trying to tell everyone, oh, we got to put together some fabulous piece process, which in effect is not only rewarding as well, but it's trying to push everything back into the deep freeze of meaningless,

meaningless piece processing. and then a pop type reality focus on what matches the right. now i continue slide before i ask you a specific questions. you want to come back on what you've heard, sofa a job city. i think at this point, is there any interesting one because certainly most textbooks, including many foreign policy officials within the us government telling present by the exactly what time it was saying, right, the see fire, what some boy who just leave a side despite stream of thought of the israel organization or whether you are going to however, i just have some important to remember the decision of being me is not necessarily trouble consultation or strategy, right? they are being made out of very got leveled by pressing by. and then by as close as advisors for who, savvy as realization, somehow they are seen. i've not just a way to deal regardless being which is important to them. but there is a way to handle that top priority, which is pressing buttons re election. the lead is big,

strongly believe that they will be able to dial on the campaign trail. look at any middle. these be frank. uh, i think that sounds very, very sort of contentious belief, but it is certainly what they think. give them that when to what, to what extent is saudi arabia and it's a, it's record recognition of is relative normalization with this rep key to what happens next critical. yeah, yeah. you mentioned audiences in the show with the summit right now in reality, those are 5 minutes. so i think having those come feasible, a lot of deal to forgot about reconstruction funding, about whether and how the foreign troops that will help administer him off the old important because you can't get into the off the what unless you have some of that plan and please, however, i think i, a lot of the conversation right now in washington are around who's not the leverage, i'd say the cause to bite administration. so once this is deal of the south east side of the field, they have a lot of leverage. who by natalie use that to get significant conceptual sort of

the city is overly bought today for us. and i think that's what we still don't know . ready right now, you've seen from the us administration some, some rhetorical shift, certainly no tangible shift near total support for israel continues, including corporate tensile process, answer. but you'll see some rhetorical talk of the detroit and that kind of trying to retrofit discussions as dates of knowledge. what they were doing before october 7. i don't know if that would be sufficient for palestinians. it certainly would be sufficient for people in the us, whether it's voters, but it's people inside the vocation field is no strategic thinking about trying to thaw. so what's the vision cut all of this going on then in, in the corner there was a power across the middle east region and in washington, dc. what are the palestinians and all of this, where's, where's the voice of peace negotiations does? does, how may i speak for them all, you know, how much doesn't speak on its own? how much has called me have to do with all the political forces about the superintendent of resistance that you guys are on the side that is negotiating now

with those that are in through the united states of america, on the gross egypt. and i'm part of the ones who have the keys and that's why they have negotiating with them. but i want to comment on the show of the love energy here. i don't think for them to send you out with a saw some of the last ition was. so the idea is on there is, is, uh, is uh, and it presents any kind of nobody's. he said that very clearly in his last speech us the day, he said that all the shows of normalization would be done easier if we finish this war. and if we advocate thomas, i'm blissfully or q by garza and he wants to study ok, bye guys. here's a, this is a declared game and the so the, it's all it's normalization. does not the present the shuttle mhm. depression was coming from inside the bush that is coming from the fact that is it and is having great difficulty validating human losses. and it's so tax and guys the punishment

is coming from the fact that is there is a having to turn in, but you're going to make situation now on the edge of collapse actually because of the cost of this terrible war fair. there is a, the, there is also a compression of the international uh, pressure and because of the situation, and that is it, and i'm doing, i just is find themselves in a denali by most of the community because of the state of aggression on, on the people those guys are and then that is the pressure comes up just coming in 10 minutes from the farm. it is a business, but i want to see what the united states as proposing relation to normalization is another act of deceit. they want to repeat the same or slow deceit. the same game. there will be a promise of some kind of movement towards some kind of i'm kind of students to and states can be of different nature's right. and in exchange for immediate normalization, we'll start with the idea. we don't buy that because what they mean is not the 1st

thing in the state. if they're really meant up at this thing and the state they will be speaking about and then go to the patient immediately. they will be speaking at least about immediate complete thought that the cities of all sorts of an effective it is. the 2nd most there will be speaking about the students that is viable on all the palestinian land that is occupied, including these drawers. and then i'm going to do any of that. they just give you a slogan and in exchange for that's not going to they want normalization will start with the idea, which wouldn't be used as an instrument to set and nothing else because of liquid they think about this thing additional. all right, let's, let's, let's give daniel a chance to, to come up on the, on, on that to particularly did it, whether anyone believes that the us is, is really serious about ending the atrocities and guys are and is willing to, to pressure is right. i'm also thinking up on what my stuff it was saying that about the importance of, of the internal dynamics of these really politics and what this it's so important.

well, mustafah just shared with us because i don't know how much to attribute to american, not even a t a across america, never understood what it was doing when it was in iraq and afghanistan. you'd think in a country with such dense relations with us like israel, they would understand. so is it not unity, or is it complicity and a pernicious approach? because the idea that you can hold up benjamin not an yahoo. but you can call and have benjamin not on yahoo with this normalization with saudi, and mr. not send ya. if you don't agree, treat your public a gun. it's not against you the injury nothing. y'all will turn to these ready public and sides. of course, i don't normalize ation deals what i paid nothing in the past. i will get them in the future. this matters. but these guys who are pushing this bill asking us to make concessions that we miss never make trust me. i'll get it in the future. these raid public in this instance will believe nothing. you know, the americans. now,

when it comes to the question of getting the hostages out here is where these ready public will say all you really do bring enough. and if there was pressure on that front, you can get a ceasefire. and that should tell us the priority for the united states is not sending the atrocities in gaza. it's getting some kind of jo political when was stuff or suggested that it would also be a domestic politic. ready and i think what the, even more interested in is stopping beside the hedge towards china, pulling saudi back more into the american little bit, getting this defense alliance, the civilian nuclear program that perhaps could be american companies, decelerating the de dollarization. but to sell that to americans, they need to wrap it up as we're making peace really as well. so that's what's going on that front isn't the seat. right. and if you're serious about wanting to end the war in god, so you, you don't do what america is doing. now, you don't carry on providing the weapons. you don't carry on providing the

diplomatic political cover. you. okay, don't the fund on rocks and you were, you look at that step 26 dates of the i, c j and you say, how could we leverage and use that? and so that tells us some fortunate be where the administration is still out. okay, i bought at the board, but what a deal, whatever that deal may look like. meaningful iran edits proxies. absolutely. i'll just before the end of the response, something like that. but i thought it was very important still the status that he was talking about, right. the palestinians really want to see from this deal recognition of the through the endings settlements. we are nowhere near the right to conversational and law happening in the state department of public stations on the y cost of going fall. what you've seen is kind of window dressing like moves like this executive, one of the issues, if they can demonstrate, well, actually you might be serious. that might have thought twins on good faith, but isn't that right now in terms of their uh, i think, but unfortunately,

i'm extremely dangerous fees divided administration came in with the around me because he looked into instead of rebuilding that deal kind of abandoned on that side with the result that now we are looking at a few months before presidential election by many expands and some folks in fact, government quite invited. you can see that felicia, over the summer, reckoning already seemed to us that are on kind of buffing pads and a range of arenas. you know, it's to be little to what extent are on his directing actions and india and iraq, syria. but certainly the us is putting out the narrative of we are confronting iran now it's present by and gets caught in the site interest and unfortunately quite predictable, spiral of american escalation, without a clear line. or if the iranians ms. read the american political situation and feel they need test leads. we couldn't be on a bank of america original one. i think many people why my head is not leaving the outer tray upon them. please. roger, it's out tensions, and just with all the tools you've been talking about,

iran is nowhere right. it's not on the table and these deals are about the future. it's not at the table on normalization. i mean, he doesn't, major thoughts are right. there's one. why do you have to jump, which means you're drawn out, it's not one of us boilers, right? and you don't like these deals vision based on both ways. so i think a lot of plans are being viewed right now without further acknowledgement of the reality of stuff. the stuff about good to what would you agree with that that, that, that okay. with negotiations may be maybe ongoing at the moment to, to reach some sort of sacrament, but we're still a very, very dangerous moment for the region. so yeah. okay. i mean, kind of very soon, not on the continue this started, but a lot of but also initially had another massive award with live on. and he's very happy with all these the strikes that are happening. go around and this, these glasses that the, the americans and british ad forces out there can be the amount of testing syria to good. i mean, he was very happy. i mean,

he would live the love to see even phone or to between the it aren't on the and i did states. and what does it really amazing does that all the time? yeah. who just started the incentive day and i could stay on the motivated one issue in regard to the possibility of a dean regarding the possibility of negotiations. but also about the americans stand on the show of settlements on the it's very weak. he's still in front of them, but he's gotten this of all of that. mr. clinton is going by is, is, is really an issue. i think i'm supporting the same strategy that is there as of today and, and his and his best confidence in the all new talking about um, the boxes will fit on this, the 5 to leave it on the money in the lives of the front of thing and just to make it look like it's a fight between isabella and america, and under that is, of course the don't i'm, i'm not one last point. i'm not sure the blinking kid is anymore. and how about the end of the election of his president? by this involvement and distorted, but gosh, okay,

i'm sorry to cut you show with were very tight on time. he had done it last. what do you have? what about 3040 seconds here. and if you have the are president bite, and if you were advising permit us to let you know what, what, what was your advice of and be right now? i wouldn't even try to make that case. what i would be saying is to a much older audience, it will feel so inadequate, but don't give up, don't give into despair in frustration and hopelessness. you never know when that tipping point is that protest that reaching out to, to an elected official that scream from the public to put pressure on those leaders . that's where we must empty about post buys and nothing. y'all will be influenced by the environments in which they operate. what people can do is impact those environments. a gentleman's back, we must end up any thanks to old daddy a love. it's most of a booty and akbar shaheed to ahmed. thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by going to the website, which is 0 dot com. for further discussion,

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