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israel's assault on gaza interest? it's 5th month. the depth told in the enclave continues to rise in humanitarian prices, stevens. so when will the killing stuff and what is the missing, yahoo governments, long term strategy. and this week's upfront special, our last, the former director facade the frame, probably the same. how that be. thank you so much for joining us in upfront. i am happy to read you this evening since the start of israel's assault on guys a israel's stated aim, has been to destroy from us. yet despite being 4 months into this, what we're entering the 5th month and dropping enough explosives that rival the

weight of to nuclear bombs. israel has allegedly killed just 20 to 30 percent of from us members, and instead of killed tens of thousands of civilians. but you have the former direct them aside, which is israel's a national intelligence agency equivalent to the c i a here in the united states. but do you agree with prime minister benjamin netanyahu is a government strategy? i think that this is a brand which took place now is unique in the history of the state of israel. and i think that's the strategy of the, the parameters in the launching of these, the conference at 2 of the invasion is rare in the south gave him the rights together with these cabinets and the notch cabinets and other cabinets which succeeded them to uh, conduct this war and i think that we are doing the best we can do it. you the

items that you guys uh, named as the items you would like to achieve, but i'm talking a little bit more about strategy. do you think the strategy that he's deploying is proper? i cannot think of any other strategy that after we were related uh, uh on, uh, saturday morning, a few months ago. and after, uh, uh, suffering, uh, the best of, uh, went over a 1000 people. i cannot imagine any other strategy except you gotta exact into, uh, trying to, uh get maximum disruption of our entity. so the problem, i think that many people have is that it's not just the enemy that's being destroyed and at the end of the counter attack, extensively against from us has had far more of a devastating impact on the civilians. again, only 20 to 30 percent from us members had been killed and yet tens of thousands of

civilians have been killed. one percent of the overall child population and gaza has been killed since october 7th. the mother's children are they make up 2 thirds of the population killed. is this entirely unavoidable? if you're talking about propulsion attitude, i think here we have to is started at the beginning. if you remember that there was a uh and evasion of israel on one point in which within a few hours we lost a ball for the number of the, the civilians. uh, not necessarily gonna treat people. uh guess that one or 2 of the uh, the places that were attacked their uh, ministry uh installations, but basically it was attack against civilians, civilians who were uh, uh,

enjoying the holiday. uh, so with the ends who were in one place uh, having a big musical that a festival for the use of the country. and uh, i think that uh, the retaliation has been the issue which it would not be hard. so the law proportionality, it doesn't mean that if someone commits a war crime by killing women and children, some innocent civilians, et cetera, then the person who was hit, they've been vitale biting the other person's women and children. that that's what proportionality involved. if, if, if we begin from the premise that what from us don't interpret 7th was a war crime which we do. i'm stipulating that the beginning of this conversation. how do we then again justify tens of thousands of innocent people being killed? i mean this again, seems avoidable. so why do it a division of being killed or not so necessary civilians in order to get

help to come out. so that the forces, it was necessary that you uh, attack uh, installation was done the underground systems where there was a mixture of both the people who are part of the forces of the come us, they measured was the most part of the civilians was not possible in this situation to separate one from the other and the answer and whether the has to be a uh, the crime of one kind or another that you are trying to. uh, describe the problem with the uh, one day uh, discuss the in the proper uh, costs of justice. but let me ask you a question, because this has been something that i've heard stated by many representative representatives of these really government before that the killing of the women, the killing of the children, the killing of the innocent civilians has been an unfortunate but unavoidable,

of collateral damage to strike him off and that it had to be done in order to control him out. that's. that's the position you're, you're essentially taking, correct? correct. they both have been as rarely chosen in those hospitals and schools and churches and marks would have done the same thing. and i think that's a, unfortunately, even the 1st of the war which was launched against israel in which of the target for not a bit of troops, donations and not really 2 times that's a, a civilian the towns and villages. i think that the, the fact of the matter is that we had no option that's a comforter attack. right. but the respect to me, so i, i, you haven't answered my question if those have been, is rarely chosen in those same hospitals that allegedly have come across installations in schools and in camps. it both is really children in is really civilians have been in the very same places instead of palestinian civilians. would

you have done the same thing? i think that's a hypothetical question, which i kind of answer. and i think what if it's all the more to do what, why can't you answered if it's unavoidable, you're saying that this had to be done, but that, that we were killing capt palestinian civilians, but it had to be done to control how mazda is the only option we had, why would the options open up a certainly, there was really children, there wouldn't be the exact same thing. and let's just say that is really, children are worth more. i agree with you. that's a bummer. be a, as a result of the nature of the war we ship broke out. the civilians who died, including the people who were non comments. i myself of that being the, uh, uh, the participants in one way or another arrive. there is a, a child when i was a well go to an authorized or at the independence of his room. a successive was at the israel add to a fight. well, it's

a existence and independence. and unfortunately in times of war, it's very difficult to try and you separate the civilian population from the population fairfax. but if i'm, if i'm understanding your response correctly though you're saying it's harder to do that when they're palestinian children. because again, you can see that it was unavoidable when it's palestinians, when it's not palestinians. oh, maybe we could, we think the strategy, but let me move on because it as, as we said, it was, it was killed over 27000 palestinians. and guys, over 10000 of whom were infants and children, and they blended 66000 people. then you ins. humanitarian office accuse is rarely authority of systematically denying access to northern dies and to deliver aid. and it effectively hindered their operations. they say the head of the work program stated people in guys a risk dying of hunger, just miles from trucks filled with food. with thing, reports of countless children who have faced amputations without anesthesia. on

average 10 children are losing their legs every day. and now the humans top court has ordered israel to prevent death to prevent destruction, to prevent any acts of genocide in guys that uh, with all of that in the backdrop. is it fair to say the issue is not doing enough to protect civilians? i think that is, that is very, it's best not to attack disobedience. i think that's that's how much is intentionally creating situations which you make the attack against civilians, unavoidable. and i think also you mentioned the international court of justice, the as being a hearing, which it took place a couple of weeks ago. and the courts did not decide that israel was uh, commission, any uh, act of the legality and what it was doing. and uh, they said that we was basically,

we would have to say that it would be so that was possible to just out of what, what needs to be confused and think that you're suggesting that the court ruled to the contrary. which was the point of the hearing, this is about the emergency measures. and with the court said, was that it was plausible that genocide was happening and they ordered israel to prevent any acts. and when they listed all of the things the issue was to prevent happening, those were effectively the definition of the textbook definition of genocide. i don't think so. i don't think this is a what you don't think so why the court that that's not a matter of dying and usually excuse me, sir, excuse me. so i don't accept the, uh, the way you are the framing was happening. i explained that the, what is actually happened just totally different than the what you have just now. no, no i, i. ringback i said to the court, i think that the court said that it was plausible that genocide was happening in, in, in, in 1000 by me is really government. and that it was bordered to prevent such matters

. and when it listened to specific things. but it was, it was to prevent doing those things where the, where the, where the items better to define genocide it international law. which part of what i said was untrue of the if you want just uh, this thing. how these 2 sides of the problem, what they'd be doing, i think you should go like going to the sequence of their fast. i think that's a, a rating women and then, and, and, and that, and, um, touching up the, the bodies of people as it was in the 1st few hours of the law and preventing them being identified in any way. and after that, the taking the people who they towards and removing them from where they were and the captive, capturing them and taking them across the board a. another thing is if they had the freedom of a what to do whatever they wanted to run to the israel in the re vintage that they

answer and to close have. i think it is a what has to say to both sides of what is happening and not just the simple a description of yours, of what happened to the cause of that population. i myself, i'm very, i'm very, i upset the because the population or something so much. and i also have said that to the leaders of the gaza today considering to continue a matter of the art and then not to a 6 uh a ceasefire, which was ultimately in one way or other enable the hostages on both sides to be returned. i think that's what you're trying to do is to place the blame all of those up and go this route. we did not begin this war. we did not launch this small, but he did not spend hours in the scene in detecting people and coming up

the fathers, we did not break people. we didn't do all of these things. and i think that this has to be mentioned. i put in clinical wouldn't be an accurate representation of your position then to say that because her mass, the allegedly did the things that you're claiming they did, that the israel's response is warranted even if it also contravenes international law. is that a fair representation? no, i don't think that we have that acted against it's an issue though. we have a needle is just the administrators or so. and if a x are being a being the kind of dog which are against that of the laws of a complex and international law, then this will be uh, probably the new cost. but i think that this is not the case. and i don't think that this should be necessary. the main issue that we should be discussing this

evening. i think what we should try and find out is how to put an answer this more on how to bring about a reconciliation and more of a, a bible to reduce the those who are captives and that not being dragged across the border. and then now dying in the dungeons in the it does up. so obviously i want to hold everyone accountable for what they do. but i also to your point, want to talk about do use your word reconciliation. i want to talk about peace. i want to talk about cease fires, you've talked in the past about israel and i'm us having dialogue, having a kind of tea to quote you, that kind of mutual existence. you also said in 2016 on this very show that you have to cold talk to your enemies of what, what a dialogue now between is really tomas looked like i unfortunately cannot imagine today a dialogue between these remo come us. i, for many years,

advocates at this, and i know that's one time they were serious sometimes by come up the details as well to try and get a uh dialogue going especially uh, sometime around between the 2005 in 2010. and i think the most of that time was also interested in finding that maybe uh, uh, united states support or yeah, the efforts to uh, read about a reconciliation between israel and the and the come us. but this didn't work out that way. and unfortunately, instead of that, that every few years how much launch the fact that this is well, we had the, uh, uh, some of the uh, casualties. we had one case we have a uh, soldier who was uh, taken across the border and the spencer 5 to 6 years in, in the

a uh, jail uh from us in the guys. uh, it was like that. it was a re patch range. it was so just a gauge over a 1000 kind of thing is, is really a uh business including uh you're guessing where it was in his ready prison. and he was a re, patrick, just a match the, all the leaders of the nation became the leaders of the subsequent effects against this, or if dialogue. is it possible if you feel that her mazda is in a place it illogically or politically, where they're not looking for peace or reconciliation? then how do you imagine getting the hostages back, who you've been talking about? how do you imagine those families, you know, receiving their loved ones? once again, what do you do? and it has nothing yahoo done enough to make it happen. and i think that there is within the 1st of the past few weeks, more than a few weeks to get

a dialogue going and to find ways and means of re pets ranging that the prisoners on both sides of the, of the, of the, of the divide between us and the, and some us and i think that they are not consumed so much is, is to get back the businesses, but they have the loss. and the, they're not that inclined to a release the captives of the hostages, that they have every day that goes by more and more people may be losing their lives as the results of the food drag upon us. on the negotiations, we turn out proceeding. i want to ask you about the hannibal directive. it's an operational order developed by these really military in the eighty's to prevent the capture of soldiers at any cost including endangering their lives to prevent them from being captured. but according to is really newspaper hearts for the army,

a quote, dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release. you were already in massage when the directive was introduced and you eventually went on to head. the agency is this, the director that you supported? i do not know any such the riches. i've never heard of such a directive before and it was all due respect to you. i have questioned the sincerity of uh, this particular item that you have on your desk. when you say you've never heard of such a direct here for now, you've heard of the hannibal direct and you're saying that you weren't given that directive. is that what you're saying? you know, i'm not saying i don't know of the existence of such a direct. okay. um, other people who have been in the military have talked about the directive. they've said that they have seen it employed. they said that they've seen it canceled all

of these people who are discussing a handle directive. what do you make of it? you're talking about the item of which i am totally, i'm terribly sorry. i would be very happy to accommodate you. but i cannot follow this the line of your discussion with me because i am not familiar with what your thought is really air force colonel enough, and it's referred to october 7th as a quote uh mass hannibal event in reference to the controversy. directive ordering is really commanders to kill their own soldiers to prevent them from being taken captive when i, when i hear that, just as one example among others, can you understand why the public may find it implausible that you're the head of the messiah former headed them aside has never even heard of such a directive when multiple members of the idea of multiple levels of government have said that they've had the directive seen the directive challenge the directive,

impose the directive. can you see why that might be a plausible to people? i have ever seen any version of what you be saying just now i'm not seeing isn't any item in the process. i know being involved myself in discussions with this guy and i don't believe that this uh item is a uh, verified item. and i do feel that it possible to discuss this with you because i am ignorant as to the entire uh, uh, uh, as this of the planes and the discussions that you have just now described. okay. i mean it's, it's entirely possible that an entire directive was happening in the military and your organization about which you had no knowledge and i guess that's possible, it seems again impossible, but i'll move on. another issue i'd like to touch on as a potential of a regional war. in the last few weeks, the us launched air strikes into syria and iraq,

after an iranian back group claimed an attack on a us out post in jordan, a fighting with him in his bow. and israel has continued along your countries northern border. the us in the u. k. i'm also been launching a strikes against what the targets in yemen and response different the attacks against international shipping. how big is the risk of a larger war in the middle east right now? i think there is a danger of the war and the disease. i don't want to visit, but i believe that those who would be a potential of participants in such a war. i'm not keen to allow such a war to breakouts. and when i say that i'm through is also iran, which in the past and even today is considered one of the most important. and grandmother said the dangers and editors about us.

i do not see around the anxious to enter a war at this stage in the released. i don't and imagine any other of the, of the policies, including by the way the, the, is by the, the most is and that will be and attacking various targets in the country. but they are not to move beyond a certain level of the war of the war. and i believe also they are not interested in increasing the propensity for a lot of great jobs. so my spirit, my feeling is my estimates is that they will not be a major breakouts of a regional war in the middle east in the immediate future. 1 before you go,

you originally stated that there are many people in prime minister netanyahu, whose party, who have reached the conclusion that it's very dangerous to allow him to stay in power for any long period of time. you said quote, let's imagine we, when the war and mister netanyahu will get up and say, i won the war, maybe it's truly won the war. but what will people say the day after? and my question to you is exactly that. what, what people say about prime minister benjamin netanyahu in the aftermath of all of this well, this is a measure of the, the internal politics and these read uh, and various people have their views of the diffusion, obviously in the future of the governments of israel. i feel like i know a lot of the people who believe that the time has come for a change and the leadership in israel. and i assume that there is a possibility that this will come about. i don't think that this will in,

for i was the war games come us between is rather than just come out of the developments because that is a measure of national, the acceptance and the present a log cabin. it's has it, it's members, not only of the government coalition, but also people outside the garbage. and so i believe this of this i think the just as of a major additional war in the middle is not very i, mr. halloween. thank you so much for joining us and upfront. thank you. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back next week. the

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