the wrong thing with argentina winning with detailed coverage. do ok, now he's a real thing again, you can see the thick gray smoke and we can also hear this rumbling from around the world. scalding wasn't even on the use somebody to just please follow me. say they're bringing the tractors of brussels is only way to be heard. is rattles, thrusting a deliveries to gaza view and says policy is that out on the brink of salvation, that's even off. so the international court of justice order as well to allow humanitarian assistance into this trip. so who can force it to home? fine. this is the inside story. the

hello welcome to the program. i am hushing a bottle of the united nations is warning that garza is on the brink of famine, is why it is that use of preventing humanitarian aid from witching palestinians. an owner why the main un agency operating in this trip may be forced to stop or is operations. unless no nations about suspend the funding, was you back into beauticians? all this comes just weeks off to the international court of justice, or that is why have to a law. and i quote, urgency needed basic services and humanity and assistance into the strip. so what if anything can be done to force as well to comply with the routing the best plan to, to discuss with august. but 1st, this report looks of the situation on the ground and gaza. palestinians and girls living in desperate conditions of the laws of all of us the most many your children have no doubt was dying of hunger. there is no milk for them. there is no sugar for

them. there is no rice for them. there is no flower for them. hunger is doing yes, i only little pieces of bread today. we are reduced aging grass. on january the 26th, the international court of justice ordered as well to take immediate steps to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services. and she monetary and assistance into gaza. but those living inside the territory say, the ruling is little ball. the empty woods are still there, i guess of little more. there's nothing except showing empty apartment and hunger. my children cry because they're hungry, we did not receive any humanitarian aid on a day off to the court's decision. is rel, accused 12 employees at the u. n. agency for palestinian refugees underwent of taking part in her mouth attacks on southern israel in october. the stuff will fly up and an investigation was opened. but it wasn't enough to reassure some donations

about 20 countries have suspended funding to unreal or said that they would reassess future pledges the un agency as well. and it may not be able to continue its work of to the end of february, which would cause the only lifeline to millions of palestinians. the federal government, if the palestinian people use one rugs, assistance were as good as dates as good as data. we have nothing but one run little really living in the street. there was 3 border crossings into casa, to which israel and one with egypt, although israel inspect old people and goods coming in or out of the territory through egypt. both countries are accused of holding up a deliveries to see did not want to open up the gate to allow you mandatory material to get in. i talked to, i can just open the gate. the chip should government vehemently denies it

as the war drags on you and leaders have described the value of a entering garza as a trickle in comparison to the sea of humanitarian need for all to come patrols out a 0 to inside story. we would talk to, i'm guess in a moment, but 1st let's listen to that. all is who i spoke to earlier to the gender justice and production officer of a child of the ox fund fee that joined me from blah blah and southern guns. that what is why it is whitening last gave ground offensive. i began by asking, heard about the humanitarian situation that he monetary and situation address is we're sending find a minute. uh, we are talking about a very limited district care applicant area. i've seen more than 101000000 and a half i to use most of which are seek and tens of there is a very severe lack of access to water drinking water, domestic water,

severe uh, inability to access fluid. uh, this old comes into a very cold winter where the living conditions are very deteriorated. we have a very huge need for but to get kids on his for him to get facilities which are over through it. and it just starts with the burden on these facilities is increasing, especially after last night's attacks. that took the 10s of lies and let's hundreds injured and even more degrees situation regarding dish, the dish or the 3rd month, many people better, better be care centers. last night on the we, unfortunately, we expect that to, to worst and even more in the coming days and weeks. if this is, it is not stop. these riley armies preparing for this ground offensive in rough loc

. give us a sense of the best for the civilian population. is that operations, thoughts? we are feeding uh for our lives. basically. then there is the prospect of having to relocate us again to seek a safer place. and as i said before, the phone is very limited. geographically, so there is barely any place to go to that would be waived room by room depth, branding carriers and way if it's happened, that's why they probably wouldn't have been giving us any a whole offered to promise to offer about a city is a law on the safe passage to move in areas. would it make any difference given the fact that in the past, those safe passages will been bothered by these bodies relentlessly is really where you walk in direct off. you, you feel you have the feeling that 10 to spring from the ground and at the evicted as you walk. this is how throw did it is. so i would really like to see what's, uh,

what's the safe passage, eh, what would look like? where would it lead us? i don't think it's possible at all is well, is under obligation to comply with the international court of justice as well does, particularly when it comes to allowing immediate and quick age into this trip as a work of the could you give us a sense of the aid which is dr. to integrate, is it enough? actually it's nowhere near enough. it's um, it's hardly a door open to ocean of all infinities on. i've been working as a humanitarian for the past 18 years and discharge with garza has been under seas for 16 years. and it's always been a challenge to get supplies to gaza. but what we're witnessing now, what we're living now is unprecedented. a, we barely get anything. we barely could get a b up trucks of a say the,

as you said, you've been working as a worker for many, many years in goes, i would like to ask you a, a personal question. you have your own assignment. do you have your children? what's next? for you, if the ground invasions thoughts and rough actually, it's not a very easy question to answer it. since i've been asking it to myself for the past month or so. i've been thinking of my mother 5 kids, and of course i feel responsible for their live further safety. but i can freely can decide what to do. uh, i try to plan to 5 saved for place or at least bid lee place. they say, because safer is very exaggerated word i don't know actually, to be honest, if i will find such a place, if i find such a place, how will i manage your sins or what would i do?

um the button. uh, how will i move there? uh will i be able to move, for example, last night we felt it was a line taken care. jim and i was faced with my children waking up at 3 am and they were just too bad making like, let's suppose let's move i'm, i honestly throw is i didn't know how to move where the with that the districts would come in and from doing take the risk to go and district, then more or do i stay and wait and the risk being hit. so it's a very, very difficult question that we keep asking ourselves every day every day. we just told that we that they wouldn't mind is someone will manage to store all of this before advert. actually grab did vision because it's really, it seems like the end of the line for everyone here and drop off of the best to bring in august from new

haven, connecticut with joined by audiences, a professor of international queens, university and ofa of united nations. and the question of palestine and in london is chris goodness, almost books, person for under uh, who's speaking to us in an independent capacity. welcome to the program of the easy way and has until february 25th to report to the i. c. j way has done to comply with the 6 or does it issue today we're putting more emphasis on the humanitarian aspect. do you believe that is right, is doing quote, it takes to ensure that a consistent delivery of age into this trip. thanks for having the nation. uh, insurance. you know, uh, since the provisional measures order of the i, c. j was issued on the 26th of january. there been 17 massacres committed in the gaza strip. 2000 killed, 2000 palestinians killed, of course, had obviously as

a severe intensification with situation in sales. we now have 1400000 passed in which towards the south, on the border with the egyptian sinai and the prospect of a permanent forcible transfer of this community into egypt, either through direct bombardment and the nurse or the trip. we don't finish the compels that result or over time through starvation used as a method of more. and the cutting off if she monitoring aided assistance, this community looms large in the situation on the ground is, is tremendously difficult. on the order of a neck of the sort that we saw in 1948 and beyond. to chris, you would expect that under the old as issue as by the i c j, the focus would be pretty much on delivering aid. ensuring that the situation is

contained, however, is while appears to be not preparing for its ground offensive. united nations such as a general on time, you go to the reset and wound that the is riley evasion would exponentially. i'm quoting him, increase what is already a humanitarian nightmare. what would be next? full, gaza, if the operations thoughts it will to be very clear. we already see starvation or mass scale mazda in griffith. the most seen a humanitarian in the you in the system such as a several weeks ago, the full 100000 people all actually stop and i'm to be clear. salvation is a slow motion. mexico all day has mentioned the number of massacres that we've seen . so it is this a professional mattress, a lot of the big a mastercard is the stop ation. and to be clear, those member states who are presently these funding unreal. all complicit in that

slow motion mask. they already complicit in violation of genocide convention which makes it notification on state policies to prevent the genocide the clue is in the name the the conventional, the prevention and punishment of genocide. but there were 3 of the 80 got to choose flexible, as all i think is quite right, said is the foundation provision measures. sadly, it is a violation of international humanitarian law, which is by clear that some kind of the use of the width and that the war. and there are many other, by the way, i know violations that we now see, including provisions for the protection all civilians in time of war. i'm sorry falsely, it is a paul issue of humanitarian principles, neutrality and impartiality, which is why i say the, the logical, illegal immoral,

the funding upon what needs to be introduced immediately on the rims needs to go out of halls, way mountain. this is really also to give him a safe passage passage to the middle. we know it's really save passage means it means the killings on industrial scale well needs to happen is that the neck a few as well as the 2 pine power needs to the population, which is not just the, i'm the, he's the techy, it's a, it's bones it's convincing what we, i so jake has cool a plausible genocide. again, it's 2300000 people. what needs to happen is a israel needs to open up and give protection to these people immediately. audit octave is ta been saying about 6, the i c j's that to referee disputes between nations. because of the relentless bombardment, the targeting of health care facilities, ambulance is the access roads. this could be a strong case for the i. c. c to prosecute is riley soldiers,

officials for atrocities committed against the people of guys that are you valve, you should that be a case to be prosecuted? i am, but we know that we know that the boss of the prosecutor has at the file opened. he is investigating the situation in palestine. sadly he's been taking a horribly long time in order to be so. but all of the events that we've seen on folding in the occupied gather stripping, indeed, and occupied palestinian territory since 7, october and before are now increasingly before his team in, in hague. and so there's no reason to not to believe that the matter is more no more urgent for the office, the prosecutor, which, which you should be moving, that as soon as possible. i think i'd like to also offer the following. um, there are about 7 border crossings. of the guys a strip, generally one into egypt and 6 others into israel. and the point that was raised by

chris is an extremely important one. that is to say, if these are, and these are so concerned about them, knowing the 1000000 and a half people, or more in the gas a strep, who may be subjected to bombardment, and want to remove them somehow and provide them with safe passage. not only is the negative, the obvious place for them to go, but viewers need to understand that upwards of about 80 percent of care about the population of the gaza strip are themselves not from dallas, or they are palestine. refugees registered with unreal. and they originate either the original refugees or their descendants. they originate from those refugees who were ethnically cleansed and 1948 from the areas in what is now israel including the negative. and so wouldn't be out of the ordinary for these re lease to allow those people back to their homes. indeed, it's a requirement under international law for these, or at least to allow those people to return to their homes. and in this case, under bombardment, the world is on its head,

all the result of the complete disproportionate, unnecessary response to the october 7 attack against israel. chris, the augusta back drove over the apple car lipstick situations that you can see and fold in gaza. octave is hobby's thing basically that you need more than 500 trucks to be crossing into guys on a daily basis to cope with a massive demands of the people now us present. and by then took the world by surprise when his studies was, hey, how convinced is there some presidency to open the roof crossing? then these writers are sitting a visit of the same time. they have their own unit, the co got which the as is with united nations, when it comes to the delivery of 8. and which basically says that the reason why we are a big big ticket is that we'd like to ensure that for deliver is don't end up being in the hands of how much practically we're talking about people who have to wait weeks and weeks and months because the kinds of itself is not working. is it politically motivated thing?

this is the questions, the address to me, how shall i would say unequivocal yes of cool. this is a little politically much if i didn't have to be very clear. this is the political agenda, all the fall, fascist writes the israel. you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist. you can just google it. look at the things that are being said. it'd be cleansing dawson about destroying life in gaza, preventing any kind of cigars. a sudden make no mistake. well, lies behind. this is the notion that if you destroy abra, if you destroy garza, then somehow you'll guessing the weight of the palestinian refugees. that right over to now to be clear on the guessing would have on right. it's just the un general assembly which hands down on responding as h. b, a subsidiary organ of the general assembly and only the general assembly can change on was mandates. secondly, the policy for refugees, all people, they have a in

a level rights group, individual and collective rights. and those rights also include the right political rights of self determination. of course, it's refugees that can make 3 choices, including the rights of a ton integration, where they all say passage to a 3rd country. so you're getting rid of forcing these refugees to another possible . but there's no getting rid of the big problem here. 3 is really frustrated, right? which is they all individuals, they don't people with a group and collect 2 products and getting rid of on ro, pushing them out displacing would solve the problem. doesn't change the fact that they don't people with the right. it's the right to dignity, the right to justice, the right to accountability the right to prosperity on the right. so 7 issues and that remains, that human beings all. do you see the pictures of the people's suffering in gaza

and that and the question buys itself once again, who is to be held accountable for the uh the slow delivery of 8 into into a district. is it the, is riley on the, is it that the neighbors? is it the international community, or is it just simply bureaucratic hurdles? yeah, i mean, in the 1st instance hash and that would be the, is really as occupying power in the gaza strip. they have an obligation to this sounds rather all. i didn't know the circumstances, but their obligations under international law to protect the civilian palestinian population in the gaza strip. not bombard them indiscriminately, and you start patient against them as a tool of war. so in the 1st instance, that under international large, these rubies who have the obligation to protect that population, including sure the provision of humanitarian aid sufficient to scale and so on. as per not only the i c, j, provisional measures order of 26, january. but general public international law law, uh,

belligerent occupation to fortune even convention and so on. but in addition to that, you have the 3rd states who have an obligation to quote, ensure that is real respect the terms of humanitarian law comment article one of the 4 geneva conventions as well as under the provisional measures order of 26, january. they have an obligation, as chris said earlier to prevent the commission of genocide. and that means providing means and ways to ensure greater humanitarian support to the cost and young people in the gaza strip. not less. and therefore, the funding of entre runs counter to their obligations under the genocide convention. i just wanted to offer the following baseline for a suggest we have evidence 3 days after that, the provisional measures order was issued by the court. we have clear evidence in the public realm of, of a conference taking place of by the these really far right injuries. i'm called the quote unquote return to as

a conference at which at least i think 11 ministers of government appeared. and 15 members of government, uh uh, the cabinet forgive me. they were there. and in this conference they are open calls by multiple members of the company is really a body politic as well as governing structures. saying that basically we want to return that is returns re me settlers to the guys a strip after we ethnically cleanse the guys as strips lost in these 4 month period of coverage over to gather strip is the simple truth. the israel is using the events of 7 october as a pretext to past include clinton's 2200000 palestinians, or as many of them as possible out of the gas a strip. this is a strategic goal of israel. they've been open and public about their interest in doing so, and their actions on the ground, their military actions and so on. now the subject of a provisional measures order under the genocide convention of the i,

c j the lot or demonstrate all of that. so the, the story really is about how to steve off to stop the ethnic cleansing of the guys a strip as even worse, the possible genocide of the people there. chris, the, when you look of the orders issued by the isaac a, there was, it was, i mean, all of us that 2 key components, what fact? so then when it comes to the decision making process, basically the they want to to make sure that there was no genocide the intent and that a goes to the gaza. what's next to my god zones i on this is why i'm not off to you about under why. how do you see the future full gaza now that the humanitarian aid lifeline on your hands by a threat? well 1st of all, on this question, oh the, i see, see the i c j i see accountability as a very broad campus. so yes,

that's the i c j which is due to face to face between states that the fights and see which can bring cases against individuals. but there's also the work being done in national geo sections just the day we had was yesterday at a really in hollywood of on supplies. it's clear that i can only precious touchy recently down grades is economic relationship with me as well. so there are many other things getting all across the board, i think as far as a people gossip of concerned. i think the future is lead. i think the while you have a situation where they in some actual community colleges want maya good in the united states, canada offer pad a on the one hand to continue supplying weapons. as well as diplomatic and political support through the united states. as you seem as in the security council, so the same time the phone, very organized, ation established by the united nations to bring the humanitarian release of the

systems to these people. so i think there was a real problem, but to be clear at austin being here before these people would strongly was it is, i hate to use that. what was it is in the face of a plausible genocide. the fire panel role, people authentic that to you kind of a role of people of that identity and that destiny frankly. okay. how do i do that by subject to the, to what's going on very well. i'll leave this terrible, terrible as it might seem with them. i says, both of you mentioned the model legal obligations of a 3rd party is a go to audio fast on the south african lawyers hoping to return back at the end of this month the to the i c j and say that basically a given the track records of the i said you were offering disputes between nations . there is the potential for them to say, wait a 2nd. if the americans,

the bates and the, the, the, the europeans to are not able to use that leverage with these varieties in terms of telling them it's about time to stop the voice about time to deliver aid. that could be a case for them to prosecute those nations for that inaction. i'm not waiting to move forward because that be a process. ok so far? yes. in short, yes. as i said earlier, all signatories to the all parties to the genocide convention have an obligation to prevent. and the moment that they were put on notice by the court on the 26th of january of the possibility of genocide taking place is the moment that based on the courts jurisprudence they, they are their obligation to prevent is triggered. now, to the extent that those 3rd states, canada, and, and others of the you, k, france,

and others kind of the united states do not take effective measures to prevent the expose themselves to, to 2 possible cases brought by other states including south africa, but non exclusively to south africa, other parties to the convention and brittany claims against them before the court. basically saying that you failed in your duty to prevent the nicaraguans, for instance, hasn't had now attempted to join or rather to intervene in the south african matter with israel. that's just an example. so it is possible that you can have further litigation before the court. it, it, you know, it would depend on his 3rd state in question. some of these states have sort of objected to the jurisdiction of the court with declarations submitted before the court. that pre date, the, the, the south african matter. but there are some states who are exposed. that is, that is a possibility i take so we thank you. thanks. yeah, unfortunately we're running out of time. i really appreciate your time audit and

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