and how much is the rebuilding? the cost of who pays from global markets and economies of small businesses have just started seeing and station come down and how it affects the dives. how big a problem is global food insecurity? counting the cost? oh no jersey or the yes, another inconclusive main thing. it's a way to deal with with how much and fees? well, it comes as these right admitted to a west named a ground defensive of the southern tip of gaza. so does diplomacy still spend a chance in this war and why does not to this is inside story, the

hello welcome to the program. i'm hushing a bottle of. he's around is whitening a ground. defensive. rough. uh, he might tell you, organizations have wound of a catastrophe. if it goes ahead behind the scenes, mediators are still trying to broadcast east by a deal for possible drum defensive until up a has based the stakes of the negotiations which resumed this week. what would it take for him on sunday as well to reach an agreement as lots to discuss with august? first, this report all the situation of, of israel is intensifying its aerial bombardment of rough or something. most city in the concert strip, at least one and a half 1000000 palestinians have fled that taking refuge in tents and make shift show to many have been displaced. several times escaping is ready palms and following each by the forced evacuation orders. la quinta, they move from the, on the, we were to sleep at home when it happened, the sudden bombing,

we didn't know what was going on, the gunshots best from the street to street. and we also had 5 digits and had to go up to this war and then we were hit by missiles, we were in total shopping and we didn't know where the height of them suffice. so leaving the bowl, these radium electric, designated rafa safe. so now it's threatening a ground defensive, trapped between the egyptian border in the mediterranean sea. terrified civilians have is no way left to go. the looming is radio operations given ceased by negotiations in cairo and added element of urgency. hoping for diplomatic breakthrough chips and officials, the hosting, the guitar, e prime minister, as well as the directors of the us and is really intelligence agencies. the 1st day ended without an agreement. it's not the only attempt and will destroy the keys last month, south africa, bolt charges of genocide against israel at the international court of justice. it follow that up on tuesday with an urgent request,

asking the you and the top court to consider whether ground operation in vasa, the violated palestinian rights. to date this little evidence, isabel has abided by the icy judge moving in january to take full measures possible to prevent active, plausible genocide in gaza. and even staunch is really all i seem to be changing that stance to many of the over 27000 policies killed in this conflict. having isn't civilians, children including thousands of children and hundreds of thousands have no access to food, water, or other basic services. i'm pointing fingers at all turning on one another. how many times have you hurt? do you must plumbing to lead us on for a minute to a 100 was saying to many people are being killed by them by the head. this is too much on the top, is not proportional. well,

if you believe that too many people are being killed, maybe you should provide less arms to know that to prevent so many people being killed. but given benjamin netanyahu is defiance of the i, c, j, an international opinion. how likely is it that the full scale ground defensive for profit can be avoided? poking out you 0, the inside story, the best to bring it all. gus in the, in the u. k. robert guy spin fault is alexa on the sun secuity at the university. his special expertise is these riley ministry into by hosp to hello. we is an independent political consultant who focuses on the middle east, north africa, and the horn of africa. and in new york city, a lot of mine is a fellow of the middle east council on global affairs. welcome to the program brothers. how seriously this prospect of the military invasion of rough, uh,

how do you think is just more of a push by these riley's for political leverage during the tools which are on the way for the, for the as i think is a deadly series portion. israel has definitely intention is to carry this out. i had promised the net to yahoo is all you did there on the full functional. how much battalions in rough uh, uh, now originally there were $24.00 at uprising him us battalions as well. now i'll use it, this is all the full, all located solely in rock surveys, row would to carry out is stated war him, of degrading and destroying em, us militarily, and rendering it politically unable to rule the gods for after the war example feels like a grand evasion of rock that is not just inevitable but necessary. and in fact is important to note that previously these writing military late suggested the is roshan. prioritize ross of 4 grand invasion because this is obviously an area of the 6 on the border with egypt. it's where most of the tunnels passed through and

how much is elaborate. smuggling operation has been based in for many, many years. but as well as the political leadership, vito died in favor of initial operation early in the north of golf. and i particularly ran gall as a city, as israel's failed to achieve its goals, as far as the war increasing slowly, south and rock. but is, of course, the last place on the map still and how much is control? how some of these writers have this thing though, if i hadn't made the final. uh, see for how much key made it 2 battalions. do you see the push pull it off as a turning point in the war and gaza? thank you. i have some and yes, i think we're at a major what the shed moment in this conflict. not just because of the massive humanitarian cost of any tool, because the ground invasion, we shouldn't forget that throughout the war and even in the last week, these are these continue to bombard off off. this is not an area that has been

a safe zone as they initially labeled it as thoughts when they, us citizens, to move from the city and further north down to the south. but also because of course it is. uh right. it sits right on the border with the egypt. it's the last, it's seen by the egyptians as a major breach of it, back with that national security. and ultimately, it brings into the question of why will these 1340000 people go the know the rest of has that is effectively uninhabitable? there are no services. we're on we, we, we've had to talk assignments for months now and, and now we're at a stage where this is, this is really the, is randy government enacting what they promised them the 1st week off to the attack salt type of 7th, which is to plot to illustrate all the ways, right, the problem is understanding how has been altering the army to draw up plans,

evacuated civilians from the city towards the north end as have so it was basically saying no safe in gaza if the invasion takes place. what kind of impact do you see it? having all the civilians facing of the south. i mean, don't take it from me, take it from the head of the w. h o, the head of the land ahead of under the head of all these un agencies, anybody that's active on the ground, anybody that's been there and seen what it looks like today. and what these really have done to the rest of the strip has said this isn't unfathomable catastrophe in waiting at the moment. i have so said there's nowhere else for people to go. israel has driven 1500000 p. ready or less because it was 250000 and ended up before the war started into their. so that's the overwhelming majority of the gaza strip, has been driven into the small sliver on the border with egypt. most of those people are intense and shelters starving with know where to go and the kind of

the war machine that is there as a mass is buried down on them with what the i, c j has said, is genocidal intent. so, you know, despite what the other guest set about, you know, war aims, targeting him, ask for battalions or hang there we, we can't lose sight that the i c j a few weeks ago. said that israel has, is, is plausibly perpetrating a genocide against the pallets and in people. and if you look at it through that lens, then what they have in store for the people of gaza is, is as much military as it is a psychological to break the, the will of the people that are hanging on for dear life that have a mass there that are starving and that israel has, has demonstrated through which we. ready is indeed its intention is to put push them into the sign i credential robots with scenes on roll on 4 phases, the really land plus bombardment or the noise impact of, of,

of guys. and then these wiley's move to was heine units. and each time that was saying, basically, the reason why they're doing this is to degrade the minutes with capabilities of how my son's in light, how much admitted to present and but also the looking ahead to what happens next. now when it comes to it off, i do see how would you see the scope of the invasion if it happens, then what kinds of weaponry do things these bodies be be using? i suspect will see significant numbers of boots on the ground at now. israel has encouraged significant military casualties in this campaign, but it is actually those policies and the numbers all lower than the initial, all the estimates suggested now and less that just short of $600.00 is ready. the military personnel had been killed since october the 7th, but still a majority of those were killed october. the 7th. so 4 months of fighting has been less, is ready to cash these than on that one day. i think these ready military were very keen to get in that for the problem. he has some the other guests of alluded to

israel house based on folding humanitarian crises on his own home on his homes. i'm that crisis is also an operational issue here because we have 1500000. somebody is crammed into this very small territory that used to be inhabited by around 250 people. so the potential for civilian casualties is even high as it has been out of its funds. it's military company and you have an acute problem of civilian casualties. israel also has more of an acute need to avoid civilian casualties. on the other hand, because international pressure and combination is increasing, the bi noticed ration, making it increasingly clear that is losing patients with as well. and it was a cx 5 and it was at the escalations hostilities as soon as possible. so is why is it a race against time to achieve its very, very lofty goals that didn't really correspond to a limited incursion, but time is running out for it to do so. but yeah, when you look up the situation on the ground, you see a total of defense reality. i have saw 1400000 people shot to him in tons without

access to food, water and batteries in the united nations. and he might tell you the fast chief mountain griffith said that the miniature prices could lead to a slaughter nga. you have these bodies of saying they are either mental, they need to go that because they say that's the only way for them to crush. how about these 2 things that the international community can have some sort of leverage to some of these writers from looking forward to i mean, just as also to comments on, on the previous intervention, answer your question. the question is, do they have leverage is very obvious. yes. they do come. they have leverage to the main question because they haven't even used it. they haven't attempted to. the un has made its please, the security council has had resolutions table, but the united states has to be towed united states that the largest military of supply and both aid and on sales to as well. no leverage has yet been used by the

international community. the biggest powers, namely by the united states to try and prevent the so we sort of talking around in circles because we get these double speak statements from the white house, from, from different podiums in washington telling us that they're incredibly concerned. and they've explained these consent at no points in this, in this campaign. over the last 5 months, have the united states move to actually have it for all triple to a number of incidents and actions that seem to full fall out of the um, bit of the rules of engagements in conflict. let alone the intense bombardment, let alone the attacking of civilian infrastructure, humanitarian infrastructure, like hospitals and other places. so we're actually more to stage of talking about austin ourselves. will the united states use as leverage old indications to this point, even with thoughts as low as mountain griffith? very well points up and drop off. blooming does appear that it will use as leverage

. so we have to move to expect, but that will be no significant push 5 against these rallies. moving forward on this invasion. so the ha, i'm on the south african lawyers when they put together or the, the, the, the, the procedure to was the for the i c j. they were hoping to see the 3rd parties, particular states that provide substance submitted to a financial assistance to is ready to be held accountable in the case of something similar to what happens in now as it always goes on, particularly if the invasion of lo fi takes place is this something that could further resonate among the judges of the ice? a g knowing that the south africans, they have us officially, the ice age i to consider was that a full scale invasion of i would by day the into the voting by the court itself issued yes, i think, i think, you know, what's, what's transpired over the past few weeks since their initial ruling definitely comes into play. when the south africans have gone back, are going back to the i. c. j to ask for for,

for the rulings further injunctions because of the situation being so urgent with what's happening on the portal. so i think they have to take that into consideration. certainly we all hope that israel's enablers over the past 4 months, would have gotten the message from the i, c j and, and put pressure on israel to, to halt it's been barred, meant and to at least take seriously the 6 orders of the i, c, j, in terms of protecting a civilians, unfortunately that has not happened. i totally agree with her in terms of her analysis on all of this. but we have to take on the bind administrations, hand ringing when it comes to nothing. yahoo with the sense of disingenuousness. because in spite of the inside of the rhetoric, the u. s. has continued to enable and every in every way, i mean, just 2 days ago, the us senate passed, you know, if 14000000000 dollar aid package to israel now. so it needs to go through the house, but that should tell you a lot. in spite of the ruling of genocide,

this is where we are. rather when you look at a post october the 7th through then you don't get a sense of these, right? it really have a sense of clarity about how to move forward me to tom. really oh, politically. because people are wondering, why would these riley's decide now to go for an offensive in rough walk when everything got it is a stake. the typically the talks which are behind closed doors to try to secure a political dean that would pay the way for these riley captive to be reduced. yeah, i think what we're seeing here is a very delicate balancing act. boy, that's in yahoo because and he does have, i want to challenge this unit. there is mega pressure from the bottom inspection. i think i was extremely one sided interpretation that is pressure from the bite of ministration. it is a moment lodge, the behind closed door, the bottom. myspace has tried to shape this war. it is getting increasingly frustrated. and he's rel, i'm

a power of non compliance in what it wants to achieve and what it's asking for from these raiders. but it is pressuring these res, behind close door, over time, that may become increasingly public. so that to me, yeah, i thought pressure on the one hand to de escalate or agreed to a ceasefire. or at least to tell us how this ends by what the robot is the coalition within israel. and that's, and you know, who is dependent on a follow right cohen as you, who said, we will talk to the government if there is a deal to at 3 the hostages, the ends of the seas funded doesn't add to the mazda store. this isn't matching his best interest to remain, i'm big us for as long as possible. and as a result, we see israel a basic next spot and he gets campaign because the military is not getting a clear enough and basically direction of the most of the political rational and subordinate the, you know, uh, rubbers of the general consensus who this, both of the weather absolutely don't believe that there is any pushed by the international community, all of them that it goes to put an end to the war in gaza,

or for any leverage on the is right. is because but so this aside and look at the scope of the massive destruction and the loss of life in gaza, then you get a sense that no one is doing anything to try to help the policy is half. so will this have any kind of impact on the talks on the way to come up with a political agreement? i mean, it's also actually quite interesting and how they're running concurrent. so all of this language coming out to be, is there any will coming in from the prime minister, focused on and off off. and i, you know, we, we continue to be in the cycle where we get a flurry of diplomacy from us officials to come to the region. this sort of, you know, initially it took some proposal that has been amended and shape them to something that it is hoped that can be some meeting in the middle between is relevant and, and i'm us, i'm, at the same time i would just sort of unit one of them is scope

a little bit. if we're talking about a political agreement, we kind of look at how does that in a, back to what has happened in the west bank since october 7th, thousands of palestinians have been arrested. hundreds have been killed just since up to the 7th, let alone pre october, 7th, and the bonds and suing disposition and you know, an increase of civilian militia at the hands of the national security minister this government. and is ralph has a very clear co current empower now policy. it is looking to implement under the guise of this war in the fact that under the guise of this one apartment in the us of at 6 to root out from us. and the 2 are not mutually exclusive of one another and then not working separately of one another that very much in terms of and i agree that you know nothing. yahoo is completely dependent on this far right coalition, within the same sense this far and coalition is dependent on the current circumstances of this war to continue to conduct its behavior and its activities across the

entirety of the occupied territories. so even if we want to look at and a hostage agreement and some kind of see spot in, in the heads up with the hostage present, a swell in the last one that we saw more is kind of sinews were arrested, the were released. so the entire team of the territories and seems to be taken into account, which is not being done on the part of any of the actors around the table speed in cairo, in paris, or any point that they've mentioned recent weeks of my would it be possible for the autonomy stages of the american to now to some of the differences between how much and is why this is why this done is why it says that they would continue even with a deal. they would continue the fight until they crush. how much, how much, on the other hand is saying they're not going to go ahead with anything unless there is strong guarantee of a permanency is by and these ride is putting out entirely from does that would be possible for the immediate, those to not of some of those differences unfortunately,

i don't see them coming together. maybe narrow a bit, but ultimately i think these 2 sides are too far apart. israel, i think is intent on the, you know, in pursuing this campaign to the end and nothing else was made that clear total victory. what that means is a bit more obscure. some people are reading into it the, the elimination of how math is military capabilities. others are reading it to something you know, far more sweeping against the palestinian people. and gosh, i mean towards the latter, but i don't think that nothing, you know, has any intention of stopping. i don't think there is even a prioritization of the hostages that remain there. if so, is, or it would not be carpet bombing the gaza strip. you know, it's already killed the $31.00 of its own people including 3 that were shot dead waving white flags trying to escape. and so i don't think there's, you know, any, any other interest here besides pushing all the way to the end. and, you know, bringing the, the full weight of that military machine down on the pulsing and people that are

there in the gaza strip of us the sound of the, if it was going to be any evasion of rough or has going to be both on the ground now if you look at the of the geography on the landscape, we're talking about the area of that boat as egypt. do you see these riders moving forward? if this thoughts pounding, those of areas is going to be closer to the mid to both of the egyptians with the potential massive spin over. yeah, this has, as you say, potential fault and regional consequences is something that is this more is nothing less and less limited to the cause of straight. you know, we've had mention of what's happening in the west bank. that's the unfolding situation on the 11 and border and this conflict now responding over to agent, which is the cc machines was nightmare and they have warned as well as any, any such spell it as a would basically operate the peace treaty between both countries. i'm what c c dave is trying to do is to try to induce a stronger response and president by the gypsies. we'll be talking to the americans and say, no, we need you to stop these, right? he's going into rafa or at least minimizing that presence because we kind of have

this further, but we kind of anything looks like we are all complicit in the ethnic cleansing of the gaza strip or the fullest migration of golf and from the southern goals into a saw and i put into because best studies, these people have nowhere else to go. israel. what that number to knowles at the goal of the city to it's and which has been essentially reduced to rubble. i didn't, well, i mean, well let them come over the border. so these 1500000 displays people on that add more desperately have more destitute than ever. but at the same time before that, that really, you know, clear exit strategy that for these people, and that is where the bottom ministration on egypt should stay at the will. we pressuring is ralph, okay, try and come to the conclusion that how so should we take, they've just seriously with the rules that if they offensive takes place, that could you put, dies the decades old history to between these violent egypt. and i would love to confidently say that, yes, you could, my personal feeling is but now is the time to suspend the company of

a treaty. i think that it is the only thing that may consequentially put some distance between the us administration and these ratings and, and you and have the us, you to significant leverage to ensure that the homepage doesn't go ahead. sadly, i, this regime is incredibly a, generally a bunch of us to conflict. it does not want to a red skin. and i think in part the messaging over the last 5 months from the united states, even as, as late as 2 days ago when president biden insinuated the presidency. see, despite the mix up of the countries, the presidency, c, have tech support are closed for a few minutes. are in a, we know at the time that that was an issue with these rand, he's not wishing to have 8 in. and once it does need people out, so they don't have confidence at this point, i would argue that if they what the presence of suspend the treaty, that the united states would actually take that seriously. having said that,

egypt says rules and not a very very um, sort of logic to major need a policy decisions, especially under this leadership. and i don't see the cc regime following through as much as i do believe it is the right policy most amazing at this point. all of a, if you look of the, of the latest diplomatic bush, it seems to be pretty much centered on this deal. but you look at the both the big so you've got a sense that we've moved beyond the phase of a do. and we're looking for new security arrangements. so was always great. who's going to take over, guys that is going to be a new policy and leadership policy, you know, thought it to what kind of, what do you have is this, is this a legitimate thing to happen now, or do you think this is something about the policy or themselves would ultimately have to decide in the future. well, certainly the palestinians will have to decide and agree because nothing will have any kind of legitimacy among the people without their consent. but i think,

you know, what's, what's taking place so far in terms of discussions has largely come out of the united states to find a way for. ready word, they are kind of grasping at straws here, bring the pulsing and authority back. something to that, that in fact have the gulf states that use their vast oil wealth to rebuild. but when it comes to the perspective of those states that are of states about states, they don't want to be roped into a project of, of rebuilding without some kind of passed away to a permanent piece. because then in the end then they are ripped into kind of the same trap that the pulsing and authority has in the west bank in which they are doing israel's bidding, their policing and governing on behalf of israel. while israel continues to colonize the west bank, you know, judy, eyes, jerusalem, and all these kind of things without doing any serious steps for peace. ok, so i think the goss, it's very wary of being complicit in what is real has done and fitting the bill for israel's mess. girl, this guy's been fold. how so? how loudly. although i find i really appreciate it. you're inside looking forward

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