to take the days that another cleansing is taking place and gather, nothing goes into a garza without a seal permission. and nothing leaves golf though with offers roles. permission allow me to push back for a moment, demanding a ceasefire, demanding an end to the root causes of all of this violence upfront. without 0 determination have recriminations. israel has wrapped up its spikes on his bike killing civilians and 11 of the groups that won't go unpunished. combined for the war on does that. could this exchange escalates into the regional conflicts? this is inside story, the kind of walk into the program. i'm adrian said again the as really ministry has been exchanging fine with the lebanese group, has bullet almost daily since october 7th. his boss says that it's in solidarity,

but it's outlined garza from us and that it will continue as long as as well on bob's the strip. at least 200 fighters and 13 soldiers have been killed. but this week is ready, strikes killed, 10 civilians, including children in southern lebanon. his father has promised to retaliate lebanon submitted a complaint to the un security council, both sides, se, then, not looking for all out war, but increasing 3 attacks are happening far beyond the border area. so what does each policy want to achieve? and how likely is original conflict? we'll explore all of this without guests and just a moment. but 1st, this report by miller, how be able to separate since is, are launched. it's will and cause a full months ago. the armies exchanges with resistance movements in the region have escalated. the conflict between these riley ministry and hezbollah at 11 and bold has fled as the group pitch solitaire and see what the, how much against is really aggression. that has the near data exchange as

a fire since october. the 7th had this wednesday was the most fun to tile. 3 hezbollah fighters and the keys. 10 civilians. we killed in southern living on the groups lead, a promised israel would pay for the general wine on all of us. we all fights again, southern lebanon, with our eyes on gauze. when the aggression stops against gauze. and when the shooting stops in garza, you will stop the shooting in the self of this is the next day has been notified rockets towards northern israel. however, it is rarely defense minister you'll have got and says the country is not looking for full scale conflict. lead me on the plans that are flying and living on sky as we speak of targets and they know to attacks and how to change the attack from one place to another. we could do a copy paste from garza to be roots, but we don't want to go there as well. we'll pay a heavy price and it will be catastrophic to live in on. and his blog that said, for types of techs have displays the keys, 85000 people on both sides of the both of those left behind say they live in

constant fear of a strikes every day. they say the least prove they cannot be trusted. and the no one is safe near them, the targeting civilians to them. there is no difference between military personnel, children and adults. so kind of a sudden, we heard a loud explosion but didn't know exactly what happened. i thought maybe rockets were launched from here, but then when the ambulance has started arriving with you, they had been a strong. these riley ministry has been accused of using like fost for us as a weapon and act that's testified as a whole crime. it has also stepped up a tax on has been the operation sites and carried out targeted killings of hezbollah and how much lead is fall from the battlefield raising fee. is that the one garza and bet tools on the lip and, and buddha will lead to larger regional conflict. but i haven't much a bit i'll just around for inside story a

lot spring. and i guess for today's discussion from london, but joined by gilbert as ca, who is a professor of development studies and international relations at the university of london. school of oriental and african studies from fe routes were joined by how a job award winning journalist an offer of his butler bone with a vengeance from brussels. we're joined by elijah, my dear, who's a ministry of security analyst is covered conflicts in the middle east, including lebanon for more than 35 years, a full welcome to your elijah. let's start with you. just how dangerous a moment is this for the region. despite all policy saying that they don't want one, could we see israel and his ball a war again is exceedingly dangerous because the middle east is dealing with is really prime minister. but why is the whole thing to hasty wants to remain impala and is the time and even at the cost of dining? oh those guys, nothing on

a dock. rocks syria. what ever keeps him at school to justify who's pregnant and to dismiss and natalie election in age? right. he's going to enlarge the war as long as he can and as much as he can. and this is why he's breaking the rules of engagement 11 now. and he is trying to provoke principal out into a larger country knowing that has been that wants to establish the terrans. and he is the yeah, despite origins that tend to commit all these bombardments and commit crimes against civilians. he is insisting and continuing to bombard events on the and about how, or insisting that the war on guys that, that is the key of the solution and the trouble of everything and navigate these today. how do you agree that this is a particularly dangerous moment for the region?

how likely is it but it could escalate? yes, absolutely. i think we are now at the junction where we, we refer to a total. we see it as a tipping point because that's where we are. we are clipping phones. if you had office, this is on the go 2 months ago. it wasn't as, as it is now. at both sides. we know and see we do not one before. both sides are not one to wage. lost a war on each other. both sides however, have the red lines um the it has one lot or is one and um the escalations. and the last, the escalation, especially from certain in the last week is quite a const considerable. and it breaks the question as to what they want to achieve from best do they want their full single, they transpose has been locked into a large scale, or however, has one last thing it lies or if you want. and if we look at both sides, we see the testable continues to target smooth, treat my installations or ministry targets. whereas in the case of israel is what

it is actually and provoking has been a lot by targeting civilians at targets. like we've seen the last 3 days that were mothers and children and families that were actually can. so, um, even though the, they, they, he doesn't want to war but like, and i just said it is and nothing i was impressed at the moment to continue in a state of war because as long as he is, he will not be ousted. and he will not be facing the criminal charges that he has to face later. so he wants to stay on the seat with like, and i to also said this is the risk of burning the speech and, and, and blowing it out may be out of control. bye bye, bye bye. triggering reached out to go with the escrow professor as you heard that both sides insist that they don't want a war. his bar, however, has vowed to retaliate. for wednesdays strikes this week, is there a danger that the situation could accidentally escalate?

and i think it to be difficult to, to speak to fax. it is, give it in the extreme state of preparation and awareness of both sides. and they have both or means of self control. uh there are some groups other done as well that will open dates from what it sounds like. somebody seeing groups into then through the mess it says the downloads on the control bye has with us. so i don't think that it is. i mean, any escalation would be just a matter of accident. if, if it happens, it would be something i would say, the quite deliberate and on these right decide. not on the as the left side i'm. i mean that when you say both sides don't for, i don't want to to, to lock still or i don't think this is a, a good for both sides. i'm pretty sure the table does not want to to get into

a large scale or otherwise they would have done that from the beginning in october . and at the moment when you know the forces of time as well as the intact and the that could have been a joint or both. how much that has beloved, which was what thomas actually wished for at that moment. but the little button and after the experience of 2006, i mean it has more light is quite whatever your fault, a new episodes of distraction in the country living. and as of today become the, you know, it's on the verge of the ibis, it's an abysmal a condition economically. and that's why i'm from the business side as beloved, doesn't have any incentive and enlarging though i can't say the same also of but isn't right. is what it has been for for quite long explaining that the day will come when day we'd have to set the look out to us as much locks. they come to the

rate uh what they regard as some kind of advance possible position of your on the on there. those are in boulder. that's how they look up has the law and, and the, you know, uh last always. so before it goes before october, 7th, nuts. oh is the the present, the ministry of this? what else? defense also called defense of pizza. right? you are the man uh threatened to, to turn the into the back to the stone age. uh, when he was visiting the border area and so some positions of live plus the larger of picking up on, on what he was saying a few minutes ago about the prime minister netanyahu is perhaps a conflict in the most of, of israel and the science of of level with level under as a whole. uh, perhaps part of, of a strategy surrounding exiting garza,

the main line for the law for it. why and for human face to make sure that the attention of the what is known as diverted away all the different a scene you cause and know shifting from the idea. not just being the attention from what's happening in guns and all the crimes against humanity and will crimes and content of judas. i. again state but have seen him before. that is a right not, not a box from the people in the software that and then have accepted to engage. and this will where has a lot doesn't have really limits of sacrifice is because 1st if a piece room is not stall, then the next button is on never. secondly, there isn't named between the palestinians and they live in a boat off. i'm paying adjust schools against injustice because there are also,

there are $311.00 on that i'll be by, by these raise for the test. the law is worthy to intensify the bombardment equally or bit less because we're talking about a non state actors. this is a classic, an army that is due to the one of the strongest in the middle east. well, that was the narrative before the 7th of october, but the senior resistance obviously has broke this man. and, and because of that is ryan has have power of destruction. but again, as well, also has about destruction and hasn't used all these weapons yet. so at the moment, they took containment, even if the some violation from time to time. but what's going to happen next and why all they put a scene in going to be pushed for another extra those. this is where the tension wonder way at the game on the boat as will happen on the man and

a new rock when they would contribute as the head is right, because if it is doing is, would not be left her nose. right. and i'll come to you in just a moment, but i just want to bring gilbert in. just just remember that i didn't, i'll take you right. the question particularly well when i put it to elijah. but do you think that a conflict in, in the north of israel, in southern lebanon, could be part of it is really strategy surrounding exiting gauze that somehow what is the, the, the link is in the, in the fact that the is around one to, to avoid a conducting door on both fronts. green, the, the intensity of destruction in inc, does, is, is unprecedented as i believe on the now a node it is and that pulled up would not have been possible without direct us in dollars. but this is the 1st joint us is riley was in fact the 1st floor which did united states completely uh, uh, take spot in uh, approves the it schools,

uh and organize them in a bridge without which is their end would not have been able to do that but no, i mean they, so they were at busy destroying gas, which should they said the, the, the, the end of the year 23 as a deadline for the intensive most intensive phase of the bombing. and as soon as that ended, so from the 2nd don't generally they started the escalation on the east side with the city nation of the solid. and not only who is of course, i'm ask figured about who, who lived in the, the midst of the area is controlled by as well and level. and we had a series of such escalation starting from, from that point. so very clearly from the beginning of that to a uh, is what is considered that since the intensive them being a guest is over as a phase and they move due to what they call a lower density war. there they, they,

they can strengthen, 11, i'm with the, with the repeating what they did. think of that. that's exactly what they are doing every day. they are threatening of donating blood by the problems as they didn't cost. okay. how do you want to come back on that before i put a direct question to you? yes, i think they are intensifying across the border with lebanon. however, i don't think yet they've started to, and then i to the point of reducing it's troubling. like they've done and god, can they do that in the future? yes, absolutely. they have the power with the, you know, they, they, they have the, the, they have the will, k is where i level and doesn't talk about the club and on as i'm the muse army or has been lives in the resistance has been law. and the non state act or, or the mini army so they can inflict damage and with that 11 and will be fair enough to go to that, not to see it damaged. obviously the sword, like 2006 if it's off comes of course they when and the fact of the matter is that,

uh for the let me use so many lebanese as much as that would pay back. and they're not looking for the back. they've been, they've done that to show us where it's worth to still cross the bosses. whereas an is where it is when it's never been to a huge bombardment and they, we got back from her as well. i was able to reach em quite deep. and so is when it has never used that yet because it's always strong to be restrained. but if, if, if need be, if, if, if um, is there a decides to, to, and as you know, quote unquote restorative that you was into, you know, the, the stone age. well, yes, loving and can also or has been like an awful and fixed mass of damages across is when across the fuse that they've never seen more in their life. and they would be huge that impacted by it. so i, i think, i think, as well as, as well as incentives always to come back to, to lebanon and has been finalized, or they think they would find them as that's the last 4. but i don't think they're ready when i say ready, i don't think they want to do it at the same time as the war and gaza is going. so i think, but this escalation, it's, it's still within

a certain joel graphic. it's been within certain rules of, of engagement. they both seem to understand both when and course that the law says they're allowing for these losses. but they don't want to go beyond for the time being this not to say that the wouldn't go beyond later. i love it, and it's not his fault of his paula is now 11. and what are the dangers for his bottle here in terms of public opinion in lebanon, if the country is somehow dragged into, into a conflict with, with these rad again, and targets in a route, for example, of being hit uh, when we are expecting this time from again, from the resorts that they spent the beginning, but this is what they would do and they use that rhetoric in order to pressure the us government tools, found a guest or for the population to spec, to look that it's no secret and not been on you know there are 2 sides of this equation, there's one side that's totally um, it rejects, rejects, this, even even what's going on now rejects the idea that jumping in should be driving. and so the sort of that as well for that matter is finding the support that the

system is. but then you have another sector which is a huge sector, which are, you know, and we're not just talking about the types of in use or, or those from the software that's also in includes a large sector from the, from, from the noise and from, from the east and from the, from the fission side, that's ok. if you want allies or an alliance and they accept, but this might happen and they will take the brunt of it's not be able to, yes be we'd be, that's what they said that they would have thought they would. i think so you have my son in law. i think um, he responded to about a few days ago when he um, when he made that last statement and he said, you know, if, if they were pushed into such a will, where do you have to go into war bank or, or um, you know, or or these rules, all the specials would have to be set aside. and he would go into this works without actually um, not without considering anything, but he will do it because he thinks that the right thing. cuz i've been unusually in this,

and the space is always sort of boston will start to do with dryly. you put your defensive aside, and you around the, around your, your, your, your other uh, you know, the people that are being shipped or, or whether we're, if, and they will discuss the political disagreements later on if the war is normal and it's not like, i mean, anyone can stop what's coming and no one can stop the front with lebanon as it has been, law will have to defend. yes, you say uh, as well as my club, and i love them as much as well. i know, but there's a large sector of 11 under this has been lost in the last sector to spell out that his love and so, and it is an on stage act or in the but, but that's also we need to be very cute. it's because the love news army has never ever been allowed to be recognized as well as, as well in order to defend the country. and this is nothing and no disrespect to the peace army. but the fact of the matter remains that the united states and these big powers have refused projected and block any attempt to blow up his army to such a point where it can actually take on is what if need be. this has not happened. so

the resistance such as has been a lot and others have, have, have blown into this, and it's become their job to do that color. let's move on. i have to elijah to his rails ongoing strikes and southern lebanon amount to ball crimes. it's most it is because it's set that against civilians, but particularly when uh uh, injury and the fact that the last time in the to you just a couple of days ago, this isn't directed against opinions and is a she ampro vacations, hateful to know the background and has one that is extremely sensitive to the assassination of the kidding all the targets kidding of civilians. because these are nice and especially drowned with hans because if to target particular to bachman with a family that is a crime against humanity. because if they thought living civilian also age, right,

as being indiscriminate, they destroying many houses in the south government on banning the so that they also do key all that a moms to a client that is right is a custom to, this is not something you when you see what they are doing, engage them, what they have done in the last 5 years old and does, and the 2006 and 11 because they are an accountable, they can do that and i would love to add one other point. the dangerous thought a, the all, maybe troops on the living these for this. and there are a, these really a gathering mobile soul says it has one loud response, possibly as right. the has the right to be stonegate to these really because they are bothering because they are giving to civilians. what happens if these rubies lose 20 to 30 so good is with one of the big rocket,

the headphone law. this is where things that on the kind of today to get a spin over to a lot of war. so we won't be really on the edge of the base with the determination alternate to now to remain in power improvement. the beloved by saying, well now i saw cities civilians not and the other another to you. as you write, the also suggests is going to be rude. and this is where the goal can be in the go. but does it un peacekeeping force on the ground in southern lebanon? what's it doing at this time of hypertension? i mean, if it comp keep the piece what, what does is roll the well, yeah, uh oh, listen, i mean then the face of what is happening. they are just watching and reporting. this is not the force that has been able to to, to, to take action for wrong. and besides the one of the issues that are on,

on the table now and didn't make your cations led by washington on the one hand and probably some of the other, it was in regard to live and on. the one of the question is the, the future of felt this you in force and especially a deployment of the news army, which they would regard as a, uh, more important than, than just the, the keeping the so you enforce the doing the job security council resolution 17, a one. what does all this mean for that? with that? so that's the resolution that was i looked at the end, the week of the 2006 is around the war i'm left on them and on as well. and that included the, with the role of, of the, of the bullet force is north of the found here that are, which is something like

a $25.00. so if you can meet those from the north of the, off the border and the team itself, they've been these army and the united nations forces in, in that, in that area. but since then this, this agreement has a kind of lost it's, it's a reality. and isn't right on the one side has being a system if there's going to be violating the disagree with by late thing, for instance, the but, and he's s base and, and taking every kind of actions. and therefore, as well, the forces have done back and re deployed in the area and that has led to this explanation between the, between the 2 sites. as the, as i mentioned, the is riley defense minister. last august, the visiting the border had the made, the threat that they mentioned,

these threats are being made, but we know that is will know, is also preparing the lead. they are taking every kind of measures for a possible action on the bottom. i think the key point that to is now holding them back is uh the, the fact that the, with the increasing pressure that you have international, the, especially on the issue a for alpha, for the invasion the of the front. that is right. and it is a voice to, to, to, to do the, it's, that's wouldn't be the moment for is away, you know, to, to engage and to another war that's within, to have the approval of the piece flushing. so that's the key point here. and i mean being talked about, it doesn't, yeah. who, but i think that the whole, right, and these are in really much bidding on a come back of the trump,

through the presidency of the united states. and that will create for them the idea of the condition they would be the into, in engaging in to a much larger war that would in, including striking out the wrong. last probably i'm so i'm sorry for with very type of time i drive. what about one more question to you? what would be the implications of an escalation for the white, a region that you mentioned that ronald of the other policies be, be drawn in? if so, who, how for tank protracted or otherwise would, would have an escalation be? who would when the uh, the resistance always weighs and be able to buy is always defeated. however, the damage is in every will not be coming to a very critical situation where a lot needs to retaliate against the kidding. but this is another gate and that can escalate and stuff in the house below. no, be left to go. where again the military in and can be brought. it want can join in

. it was 10. join then in yemen. what was going to when festival of the senior people over on the back, the k, because on the was a 2nd to detroit is losing the on c, j is on monday and he's right in chrome motor on the head and on anyone side do is essentially all was concerned that we didn't know about do these really, to all, does it support those, even if they are supported by a super far like united states and all this find this european community that these not taking any measure against visually. so at the end of the day, yes, when you end up paying the price, but the cost is much bigger. the causal, by this time the bigger than garza is bigger than that, but on a lot. yeah. man and you right and the we must, and many sites indeed to you. oh that lines your mind. me a holler java and gilbert ash costs, as always,

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