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hi, i'm steve clements. i have a question. why is israel and most of the west targeting the only un agency that

serves millions of palestinians? let's get to the bottom line. the one day after the winning court ruled, but it's possible the israel is carrying out a genocide in gaza. western countries did something strange. they didn't distance themselves from israel instead and the move led by the united states more than 16 nations then started this suspend funding to unwrap that organization. the united nations relief and works agency was created in 1949 and quickly became one of the u . n's. biggest programs serving about 6000000 refugees, descendants of the palestinians who fled or were forced out of their homes by the creation of israel in 1948. israel now accuses 12 individuals have unrestricted, 1000 employees in the gaza strip of taking part in the surprise attack on israel last october. the when says it will investigate and publish its findings over the next few weeks when you and officials warn the crippling. and now in the midst of

a humanitarian crisis, and gaza is to put even more lives at risk in a place where a 100000 palestinians have already been killed or maimed by israel. and almost 2000000 are in temporary shelters with no place left to go. so what's happening to the millions of people not only in gaza, but throughout the region who depend every day on and risk services to survive. and what about politics at play? today we're talking with layla hello, a former senior policy advisor to enroll and legal advisor to the palestinian authorities, negotiations department and, and are fine. who teaches post colonial studies at the university college london, and is author of refuge and resistance palestinians, and the international refugee system. it's great to have you both on today. thank you for joining us. the somber subject, but i want to start off listening to matthew miller, a state department spokesman, and get your reaction. so assessing and matthew, so i'm not going to respond to the comments by individual members of the connected . but i will say that henri uh has done and continues to do in valuable work to

address the monitoring situation in gaza at great personal risk on romance members . i believe it's over a 100 unrest. staff members have been killed doing this live saving work. and we continue to not only support it, but we continue to commend them for the really heroic efforts that they make off in time while making the greatest sacrifice. so they love that comment by matthew miller was made about a month ago. 9 days after that, united states and many other nations said they were going to suspend funding for unreal. tell us why and tell us what the implications are as well. so as many people know that is there is riley's and the fisher general of honor has the regular meeting and which is really a official. i presented a set of claims saying that 12 staff members had been involved in the october 7

attacks. and at that point, the fisher general laza really came out and made a statement that he would be firing all um 9 employees that were, that he could account for and this and created um a domino effect whereby the us and other major donors of the west uh, donors to honor of said that they will be suspending aid because of this claim that a association between these 12 staff members and how most activity you're in. let me ask you the, the you in a comp you in relief and works agency for palestinians was created in 1949 even though there was an un high commissioner for refugees. and then just sort of interested in why this organization was created when the united nations had another

agency, the un high commissioner for refugees. i'm already in place a show. well, best up the, it's important to note that the u. n. h. the out of high commissioner for refugees was no actually in existence when and where was created. so in redwood created, as you said, at the end of 1949 unix, the i did not come into being until the following year. so that's the best thing to keep in mind. the other thing to be aware of is when you and hcr was created, it has a restricted mandate much more restricted than it has now been enabled its work to only be applied to european refugees. so this idea of creating specific you an agent, these are particular groups of refugees but very much the know at the time that was in raffle. no. actually the palestinian refugees of palestine, refugees, refugees from palestine which until 1952 included also providing services to jewish refugees and restore the doing that in 1952 at the request to be through the

government. there was internet, there was u. n h the at which time like, you know, used to and then in the 1950s we also had u. n. k r i, which was created for created refugee. so that was the norm at the time. it wasn't until 1967 that you in a sea of monday with you know, that's the lights and then you are essentially them withdraw. i think that's the 1st thing that's really important to keep in mind here because that often gets lost and it's all that's been noise around this issue. the other thing to keep in mind is that inner has a much more restricted monday to this day. then you and actually i have not only and who is that through the, in the kind of work it does, it is mandated solely to provide relief services to palestine. refugees in the 5 deals where it was, as i called you and they should be out by contrast is also mandated to dispute durable solutions for jericho pollution, 2 cases of displacement and to provide protection to the refugees that it was with . so tell us the product time refugees are actually in some way or my disadvantage

because the agency that says them has a much more limits mandate than the age of the defense pulled out the refugee group . i don't want to spend too much time on it, but i found an important distinction that on wrote, wasn't a way never designed to necessarily. we turn people back to their homelands or to resolve those issues. is that correct? that is correct. yeah. you and h d a does have this purpose to fit you in solution on it for faster solution over time. that'd be instead, internet does not have that purpose and it's never been built into that date. well it, i, i want to try to get it again the scale of this. so providing schools, hospitals, medical and food nutrition, kind of the broad social support within guys itself. they're $13000.00 employees of and run the broader. when you look at the west bank, you look at other displays populations in syria and jordan and, and so the footprint of this organization, one is a huge employer. but to what happens, we're talking about 12 individuals and i,

you know, the thing that comes to mind is, every big institution may have bad x. what are your own thoughts about holding an institution liable just for the activities of a very small number of people? well, it's absolutely absurd in given the, the circumstances to say that an organization that is so vital to a delivery as it is in gaza is unable to function or that states that are giving the voluntary contributions to support under those services are going to withhold those funds because less than one percent of the south has been accused without a significant evidence. there are numerous outlets have reviewed the dasa, the summary that ca, that israel has released. it does not include any evidence of of what they are claiming. and so given that there is no evidence

given that they're such a small percentage of the 3rd, 2000 staff that are vital to a delivery it, it becomes extremely out of content x. and lets complicit with a and a, a genocide agenda. so there, there's several of things going on right now. one of which is that israel is, you know, rhetorically uh and tactically, using this uh, this claim of a, a associates from us and honora, to mobilize american public opinion to mobilize the congress a and an anti palestinian bias. right, the word terrorism is so provocative and can be quite leverage with us congress

and other and, and, and the public. but then israel and released this summary dosa with this, these claims uh that staff members were involved in october 7th. on the day that the icj, a opinion of rendered a a finding of possible genocide and called on israel to take measures to stop that genocide. so israel's also obstructing and obscuring it's its responsibility. and we've seen that in what i would call it. a lot of us haven't heard of the train vibe. and then israel and congress at this point, that they are willing to work with israel. and it's project of ethnic cleansing and eliminating how this finance and gaza and just john pays well, i think it because later made

a really important point about the i c. j rolling. i think it was lagging because you asked about the western state role in that. so the icj, i also rules that 3rd party states had a role and a responsibility to ensure that essentially military in a to get into gaza. there was also a possibility that in now withdrawing, essential funding from en route. those states may actually be in breach of that ruling. so go a little bit deeper and because the international court of justice when it came did not find is real guilty of genocide said there may be reasons possible reasons to think that this may be underway. israel is, is expected and required to respond to those. what's interesting to me is i am on aware of any countries that distance were suspended their relations with israel after that i c. j funding. but literally, on the, on the day after you know, nearly 2 dozen countries, i think we've got,

we went from 9 countries and 16 countries. and now i think we're up to 20 countries . right now there are at least temporarily suspending funds to enroll. and so layla just said, maybe this is a distraction tactic, but the systemic nature of the size, the biggest vendors are germany, the united states, the you are all in the suspension line. what do you think is going on there? well, i think it's worth keeping in mind that this has not come out of nowhere. there is a long running and that has been a long run campaign against en route, which pre date the type of the 7th which predicts the current. well, by yes, i mean nothing, you know, bad cold. so in order to be disbanded, i believe in 2017, a cold for again in 2018. at that same year 2018 we had the trump administration, a close alliance with nothing yahoo! pulling all of its funding for and ro, there's been a long running theme, all that basically mary and her up trying to present it as some kind of

a problem on the ground. often trying to conflate enters what with her mouth. and the, the latest allegations are really best understood in that longer time to contact some on the is real side. some do not differentiate between palestinians, citizen citizens of gaza and from us. but we sort of look at that and you kind of look at the, you know, the arrangements here, you know, event changes the game about how you look at been right. if one right is empowering and supporting all of these folks that you look broadly as an enemy is realize, had enrolled on it's in, it's in its target list for a long time. but what does it think would be replaced? i mean, i think it raises the fundamental question, if not under a then what? well, let me just say one thing very quickly, steve, which is the palestinians are not citizens of gaza. gaza is a very small strip of territory and it is not recognized as

a state. it is effectively occupied. their point is real and 80 percent 70 to 80 percent of posts. and he's living and gaza, or refugees, of who had lived inside israel, including places quite close. i appreciate that distinction because i look at them as having rights and you know, having deserving a state. i'm showing my own bias in this situation, but thank you for raising that. right. and so then the larger point is that what, what, what the irony of israel's desire to get rid of on or is that referring to what and mentioned the, the you posted in refugees are treated as an exception and they're not covered by the you and hcr which is empowered to move politically for durable solutions, including the right of return for palestinian refugees in the event that unreal stops operating. and so should israel proceed with this plan to try to

you know, get it, move to a situation where a palestinian refugees and gaza are not covered by an rows aid. we would be able to call on the you and hcr to stuff up and essentially ask israel to allow them to return. so there is an irony in, in this, in addition, israel as an occupying force would be legally responsible to care for the population. and so the credit pro, quote in the west has always been, we will funding this agency despite it's 0 taishan to the israelis because we are not going to move on as israel to address the rights of the refugees. but we will fund this a mechanism in order to keep the status quote and help manage the conflict. so

you know, israel sees an opportunity of disruption at this moment to try to leverage of bias a and a atrophy of the agency but of its own costs. you can just imagine a horrible escalation of the situation this point. and i'm saying if that is the, the a possibility, a nightmare that we may be walking towards, why aren't more people careful about the under a dimension of this? i think that's a very good question. and many common cases alongside palestinians in from god i have been raising the alarm for months now about the mounting evidence that the israeli government is speaking, that you use it well as a way to force the big display. possibly millions of palestinians from god that we have, as i said, you know, mounting evidence that that is the plan that was a neat a document from these ready for a ministry that can be talked about this. and that have been suggestions coming

from various members of the is really state that cause i should be quite emptied of its inhabitants and also being concerned that what being dressed up in framed a few minutes. harring evaluation would really be a way to facilitate this post displacement. but i'm the, the un, a leadership themselves actually said earlier this week that they would not be part of a because really moves to evacuate rafa. which was, which was partly coming in the context of these writing can then that that might be on the card. and are there areas that been read needs the rest form where it's under performing? you both know the institution. well, mean on the other side, those that will be critical to ventura, but are there other areas where the institution is performing poorly? they would also, in gender doubt among its donors is the problems that i've just really,

really reflection of the underlines. they yeah, of the international community, more than 75 years now, to grab the palestinian refugees, that right of return and to recognize that right to national self determination. so when there is this focus on en route and they've got to disregard that for the framework for them, which is operating en, route, has now for a very long time, the operating with serious deficit it is significantly over stretched. but unfortunately, the, you know, so for the international community in reality that's what we're talking about. there is, is really the west has, for whatever reason, refused to recognize what that indicates about the underlying on inability of policy and possession. and having that chosen to make out, but it's the problem that exists with the agency itself. layla the funding mechanisms have ventura seem very tied in to those powers that were big in significant building united nations. it's activities in the late 19 forties,

but eric gulf states which are now very rich themselves, are not a major part of the and rough funding scheme. why is that? because they, because as precisely usa, because it is the, the, the british, the americans because of the, the, the germans, the europeans that are responsible for the situation of essentially handing off mandate palestine to the creation of a jewish state on a palestinian territory. so there is a longstanding sense of responsibility and to tie in to unrra a. structurally, they sit on the advisory council and commission of honor. they have ongoing mechanisms of review and monitoring and requests for what i was doing and the gulf states while rich are not in the practice of stuffing up and helping

palestinians in general. but also they are not they want that's interesting. you just said something. i never thought about you're saying that at the founding of this, it was essentially a deal created around the displacement of people in the creation of these real estate, displace palestinians resolving and responding to those. that itself may be a reason why other arab states in the region are not being more supportive. but i guess my question to you then would be, why aren't the or of states standing up and creating competitive structures, we're doing much more than they're doing. that doesn't necessarily validate that founding at why, why should they, i guess is what my, my question would be, i ultimately, these are, you know, the house and refugees are refugees because they are not allowed to go home. their property was exposed, created. they've that, you know, the borders are close to them by israel because they are not jewish. so they want

to go home on like many other refugees who are seeking a protection and wanting to stay in other countries for protective purposes. and so the question becomes really, why won't israel allow the refugees to come back? and why is it that we have to have an ongoing agency that acts as of you know, is state service for state laws, refugees who are seeking to return to their original homes, many of which are still standing or a property which is still a or land that is still vacant, so i think the question becomes really, why is an israel stuffing up to its responsibilities? and let me give you the last word in this and, and i guess my use. oh, i'm a realist, i'm, i'm not an idealist. i don't see things as they are not as we you know, sort of want them to be. but when i look at an equilibrium between israel's

interest and eventual palestinian state for palestinian entities interest, i look at the are region broadly. you look at the us and europe, i guess you're an expert on just place people sitting on how to support. do you see any pathway to a stable and enduring and just alternative then the chaos we're seeing evolved today, and i just love to get you to quickly sketch out what you see as an alternative other than what we're seeing evolved today, which is chaos and a lot of horror actually to well we need to keep in mind that the, what the palestinian people have been asking for for 75 years and have been struggling for for 75 years is simply the realization of their rights as they stand within the framework of international law, these include, you know, most permanently in this context the right of return. so when we're talking about the possibility of wasteful order, new ideas, it's worth keeping in mind. we have an existing framework. the palestinian people

have very consistent, meet the 75, yes. demanded that their rights under that frame, what they recognized and be implemented. and that is really what we need to come back to. rather than going to fight down the rabbit holes of acting as though in right is itself the problem and not a product that the biggest structural problem. well fascinating, an important discussion. i want to thank human rights lawyer, layla law and university college london lecturer and you're fine. thank you both for being with us today and your candid views on this. thank you so much i and so what's the bottom line? remember george floyd's dying words. i can't breathe well without interrupt. palestine is being suffocated. buried alive in front of us all where there are bad eggs and rugs of joint hamas and participated in the october 7th attack. maybe so were there agents in the fbi i in the c, i a who worked for russia and china and resulted in the deaths of many americans and other agents cooperating with us? yes, huge institutions with tens of thousands of employees have all sorts of folks in

them that doesn't discredit the entire institution. particularly one is important as on this needs or rejection of innocent palestinians during their nightmare that they did not create is something none of us should be complacent about. and let me add another dimension. if civil society completely collapses in gaza, if rafa is attacked where the population has swollen from 300000 people to one and a half 1000000 as israel's work lines on. how about a people start trying to escape by any means necessary? can the surrounding error countries avoid escalation? the countries that are joining israel to undermine and run our steering into the abyss. and it's staring back. and that's the bottom line. the the latest news palestinians are not only queuing to got bread and water, but they're also chewing on the machine to receive their treatment from the hearts

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