this is sasha walter sheds moments. international law is being complete this month until discussions that come through the noise is real, operates under climate of absolute impunity. we challenge conventional wisdom. how does it affect you? how does that affect the community? a sense that message that antibiotic bigotry, that a sama fob. yeah. but these are acceptable forms of, of hates upfront without 0 renew, due by 18 is right. a balance call, chopped off of juice, being exempted from military service with a will. does a escalating that on now cool to remove that exemption? what would it take to do it and how much politics is that play? in vista bates? this is inside. sorry. the

hello. welcome to the program. a hush him on the bottle is why it has pulls on his reserves to wage its ground will on gaza. but it's all true of the jewish community has an exemption to move to service going back decades. now the defense minister says the need to adjoining the flight, but the kind of natural consensus beach on such a divisive issue and compartment as a benjamin, that's how the government's survive, the falls from such a policy change. we're bringing all gas in the moment of us. this report from phantom on israel has cooled up more than 300000 to reserve its fruits more on gaza . but one group has always been exempted. ultra orthodox jews make up around 13 percent of israel's population. they're an exception to conscription and mandatory military service with us could be about to change a volume, a k on the immediate need arises for the expansion of military service for all

active soldiers and the port on gay tional reserve duty for reserves. and we deeply respect those who devote themselves to taurus studies. however, it's vital to recognize that without ensuring our physical safety of spiritual legacy cannot be sustained. exemption is a deeply divisive issue in israel ultra orthodox activists protest against any moves to make them in list. the supreme court ruling and 2018 struck down the exemption, but that's yet to be implemented by the government, the ultra orthodox, a forcing them to fight would destroy their way of life. they want the people, the people to build their one and friends and they want us to be not really just the dog. we don't mind the guy in the army, but others believe the religious community is not doing its part as we service or cold up to risk their lives and gaza. many say it's time for everyone to serve or

just go through the service of 2 months and then going back further being few weeks . and again to many people from our country by low. it's difficult balancing act for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu gallons and others is coalition one change. but netanyahu also relies on ultra orthodox politicians to remain in power the by i do, we will determine goals for the drafting of the ultra orthodox to the ideas and national civil service. and we will also determine the ways to implement those goals. we can reach that agreement without dividing the nation and without incitement against any members of the public. i am sure we can get disagreement with the majority in the connections, but also one thing is clear to me that it's impossible to obtain a total consensus. that is really, society could be on the brink of a major change one that could also have consequences for the months while we're on

gaza inside the face of netanyahu's government, benjamin l. just sierra for inside story. the and that's bringing all gas in west to solidprofessor if from inbox, president of the jerusalem is that you'd force throughout to g and security instead of a keyboard. the political analyst on formal economies for the highways newspaper, also in west coast. and i'm also a fast community, rob, i'm an executive member of the nets yahoo to a civilian organization that supports ultra office of jews. subbing in the is riley mid 3. welcome to the program. but if i to, if i'm the ami is bracing itself for what could potentially become a long, long political ministry campaign in gaza. and for this, they need more soldiers to join more reserve. it's the only way to do with now is to convince the hobby team to join the army. all these considerations

ave enough to change the mindset of the ultra orthodox jewish community in the next week, the community is not public. genius is out. this is definitely segments was in this community, said the more likely to accept the sound guy in the nation to serve as beads is the only be the civilian service and say, i don't understand the social question as well as the commercials coming from just so we go to just these leaves and no choice but to integrate into basically society. also by joining the minutes of the call focus, they will not be bound to it's and may be easily i should think about the

exemptions only to the best studying good students of the on the study of the is indeed a jewish manual. and as we have a good example, probably was they shouldn't say it's a very small twins and not exempt from surveys. the same 3 french would be given to a much smaller than the number of us doing. so the issue our but yeah, they, me good the studies and the to the find the go much. okay, but this is a pivotal moment. it is right out to the point where at a cost sharing of the beds and has become of the center stage of the political debate. where do you see it moving forward? as well as if i said here, you have a very unique combination to lie. all the time line over the cause of

justice and also coming from inside the quote i me so the fans, you all the guy that went out to the media to declare that he will not be part of the destruction of the cold. and it is really people these very society as submitted. so the 1st, he knows this is what cannot actually afford security wise and socially wise, this inequality because we're not talking about unit quality in the quality of life. we're talking about life itself literally is uh, quote, is waiting. oh, it is ready to risk his life seems about to be up to and who is exempted. and i think that actually if we don't give us any credit for something,

this is what they did to us in october service. this has set a clear message to these a society that there is no shouldn't be any difference between you. then also seen the reserves, inc. indian garza and for 4 months missing. here's a missing his lesson said the university as a student, all for a lot of a student of the medicine. and the student is she who is starting to her. and i think the government is challenged and setting, you know, like he did at the beginning home, the crisis over the judiciary reform. and i believe that he would go all the way with guns and i can quote the other above his over the college she a raw by

a hush. well, how do see this whole debate? is it a politically motivated debate, or it is about time for the altima off of those community to understand that the need to change for them to keep the society united but i like that streaming side. so what i, i wouldn't give credit to come out for anything, but i think that of course the current score has raised this issue in a much more urgent way. then before previously before october, 7th, the main issue of out of orthodox integration. that to israel with many of the economic issue rather than the army issue because it was january house that we could have a small uh thought. taking the logic, the advanced omby. and therefore, there wasn't really an urgent need for the integration of all for orthodox young man into the idea. now that's a completely changed and everybody understands. there is an urgent need for this, and it's not so much, politically motivated as socially motivated. it's about

a very large parts of israel's population, prepared up to 15 percent of israel. that generally doesn't do on the service alongside of the issues of integration. but it is very important to understand that from the origin, from the ultra orthodox perspective, this isn't just about we would rather study to rock this is about what the army represents for the author orthodox as a narrative around the army. and that this is ben. go beyond the 1st prime minister of israel. so to basic purpose is full army service. one of the, of, of course is to defend the state to base route. but the other one is to serve as the melting pot for creating full molding. and you type of is really to which is very different from the old exhibit european style to and the officer orthodox they wish to perpetuate. they wished to maintain and to continue on the traditional

image off that you on what it was before the state of april. and therefore they are extremely suspicious of the army in terms of not yet defending. and then we need to leave the study benches of to restart the bulk of what will be due to due to the image, not just to the image, but to the east thoughts of this heavy. the also it was that a young man and this is something that requires build a draft, it won't happen by collision. conversion has been tried a little bit about the decades ago. and it led to a large regression in also orthodox participation in the army. so collection is just not a good option. i think that can be yes. good. well go ahead this month. what have you said the quite long to okay, just all time goes to cover here every time you've just heard about bios who are talking about basically the ultra of of this community willing to preserve a way of life, which has been the full generations and for them is important,

they believe it house protect the unit and the identity of the jewish people. but this skeptical of admitted to establishment, this skeptical to take a decision that might change their own way of life. how to respond to that. i think this is the most up channels though, but it is a, uh, it's a one to be a citizen. so this statement on to the benefit for me. uh uh, on that is a good days that the state keeps doing citizens. so they must think about those. so in imaging bins, i think story. yeah, i'm even a heavy the judge the one dish or the i to go on. there are some kind of narrative . so it's the same as the nation without the share things. a bell. nobody's nation. we all a nations that these by our enables we, uh,

we have good in secure with the needs and the, the joins the benefits always what you mean by the son needs. i want to enjoy the benefits of, oh, social services. they also to, to share these, they don't want the bill. i want to not gives us the height to akiva they visited bait. is there any consider the, the create mobility divide within the society to the point where sometimes for example, people have been the media when he was talking to people on the streets in intel, avoid jerusalem. and people with basically saying we cannot afford to see funeral just in certain neighborhoods, not on the other side of the city. what do we think basically to alter also this community neighborhood where people are exempted from it. it's a service. yeah, actually this issue is crossing political and even saucer and economic

lies, but i think that's the, the vast majority of the, the is right. not always 2nd or not. but also the zine is orthodox believe in equality and the fact that as a remedy issue i'll mention is, well, should be investing. boy is a single part of this ready as us. and it's important to remind the viewers that in 20 or 30 years, we might see also books almost majority lives. right. and just like, cannot survive, was out as strong as we saw right now. no global savings. so it's not just a matter of a low a quality and then everybody has to says and there is no,

there's 2 ways out. but this patient, oh no, but that's what the situation was out. succession, it's a matter of is west existence. we talk to 6th street, so i was in young people who are exempted in their judge people. so why in the go i'm in europe. well, you my great grandfather so cool is that right? by so is the pressure on me and you know, he, a lot of the same outfit as the words are all the dogs in mass are really jerusalem . but he was listed and he had to serve his country left alone to serve the george country. i think that it should say the big privilege as a sort of by you know, sure is doing was uh, uh, his unit. uh, he's supposed to be just possible to be a good jew and a good soldier. okay. but i buy it so uh, i want to ask you this question if you don't mind or do you believe because of how

within a community seems to be pretty much a fund. this is coming from the ministry establishment asking them to change a way of life. what if the rob, by the high. busy religious or far, which is this side one day. it's about time for the hobby day to join the army. would that be on its own enough to make this seismic shift that these writers are looking forward to see happen? well, it would be enough to say the, however, it's important to realize that changes within the ultimate orthodox well generally does come from that. right. because stablish mother authentic establishment sees its role as prison, i think, and concept big that's which we've been doing for all these many centuries. wild changes often come from the field. and in this case to the fact that there is already an author orthodox battalion in the idea which doesn't represent the main

stream of orthodoxy, but rather more the periphery. but the fact that it exists is not something that the rep i created thought that was it eating rabbi that gave his permission. and also his definitely going to see a trend of also orthodox entry into the army. it will be the bottom up from the field, and then we'll receive rabbinic authorization over finnic acceptance rather than being led by the rabbis. i think that the discussion here, which has mentioned that demand based on a quality needs to be softened a little bit because absolute equality is never possible. even today, the rob religious soul, just that the less time in the idea, then secular soul just and of course there are many secular individuals who will to den 7 the idea of the many different units and types of, of duty. and the idea of so either that we should be looking for me, absolute quantity. but if you look at some of the religious religious scientists

calls for also orthodox engagement with the idea rather than absolute equality, it's a call for responsibility. with together here, where a unified nation, you need to step up to take that responsibility. and responsibility could also be differentiated. we can leave a certain percentage in the us here, but then that's how many different categories and others controlling the idea on different levels. okay, the more we have participated in different types of units, whatever it is, the greater the um, the, the, the identity with the id f as with, is uh and then things will become easier as time goes on. as i'm, let's try to i'm, i'm back where do keep play is now it is wise done when it comes to the exemption issue is concerned. you, i've got on them and this has to happen. then your guns is on board 5 minutes. have

benjamin nothing. yeah, what seems to be in the most extremely delicate situation. how do you explain the situation to all of us? to be aware of this is also what we think the competition for who is going to be the next 5 minutes and the age while position sits in the best that wins is ability, you know, to be able to be the leader. what was it the next go so. busy it's not just a question of. busy principally in this situation. so, but it's a go to the lectures that complicate as a show and make it more difficult to sort of say and it's quite clear that. ringback will be private as the to the wants to continue to be blind, but it's still as well as goals. so when. ringback i'm not sure what

was a stays the guns it needs to go easier a they need say same oh, there. it. okay. this is a go. oh, that's really good. i keep i is, there's an indication of that to you. i've got on one who got on wants to see prime minister. hey larry, i told him about us in the near future because he does understand like anyone else . but there's absolutely no way for nothing yahoo to say yes, i am on board knowing that he would lose the most important block in his coalition, which was basically the all trouble for those as well. i say that to go on to he's in a position that he's doing if he does a dooms, if he does not, he doesn't want to be part of another attempt to tell the

high goal is to just these. some falls pretty sizes that we can heavy both ways and we will reach some kind of another combination was the old origin dogs that uh they, they wouldn't be able to save a few lines. is part of the blog. he also was this probably in the next elections, he was not be the candidate to be the minister of defense since he was also. and he agreed to unlock it on how he took responsibility for the blunder of october 7th. so he hasn't got much to use a show of his dignity and he is rich, be attention. that's an honest politician and a former major general. and he is also talking to his media and he knows

better than everybody else. yeah, as i said before, we need those people to 70 i and i wish that one day we will also have these ready on our, of the 48, but a student is being bought for our defense forces. okay. a lot by who is well, i'll be listening to you basically saying that the 2nd is have to understand who we are, where do we stand and they have to be appreciative of our own historical concerns. now you have your own organization, which is going to integrate the ultra office of jews in the ministry establishment . do you believe that this could be the moment for you for the have with them to, to move a step forward for the sake of bridging the divide with the, with the, with, with the 2nd with 2nd us. but i think that absolutely this,

this must be a time to step forward because we must not step backwards. we cannot go back to october 6th. we cannot go back to the boys of the twos among themselves. and without some kind of resolution of this issue, we run the danger of taking this step back to the pre of to the 7th day, and that is an impossibility for the sustainability of israel. now, how do you take that step forward? is it that a good question and i think it requires you to understand it on both sides. of course, it's up to the canadian to be it's the opposite of what it ought to be able to take a step forward and, and grace to some degree. the greatest story of the state on is right. yes, literate part of it. yes, we want to be responsible and also i think of frame or one of your other guest, a tremendous that this needs to be a privilege. i'll tell you which way we are now. standing at the moment where the state of israel is ready, society is going to be re constituted. this is a,

a seminal no month for the state, the visa. and i think that the answer also don't want to be there in taking that responsibility and playing a role in the re constitution of the state of israel clearing the role requires responsibility. i think it's possible that needs to be understood that this is a process. it's not a one night fix, that would be an impossibility. a utopian dream. it's a process and it will go, you know, with needs to be at vast. but as far as that, now gentlemen, if this stays the same, there's no consensus about the exemption, right? what happens next for the as well a political deadlock government collapses will just be this. as usual. you may be a government of the crisis and the, i know the people in this week. ready is that one to the new elections primarily to

get the done, you know, a, this is obviously a possibility. so just because of this situation i, i o z and is. busy with the dogs, with. busy makes them go to mines is because they don't want to lose this car issue . this collection is the best the. was it going to have the, you know, the sickly was the society and is a stick. you know, that goes with the adults is doug say at 50? 0 the i keep the they, they, they, they, they all top off of the low make as tried and failed to bring about the legislation that would present that. can that exemption forever? the supreme court also avoided the load i was planning to waive the draft of the

ultra orthodox. could it be the supreme court? the ultimately would have to have a say in the near future. and actually this guy size, who is the, is the consolidation uh that was produced by and now, and he's gang on the basis of the democratic rules and respecting the judgements off the high court. but i want to add to the discussion. why don't say i also would like to see the alter the community and the orthodox for the dishes. so the peace process, because if you want to make sure that we don't need so many soldiers, we need to have peace, ultimately add to how. fortunately, the old adult spot is that a politician have left the either the option of question where is the is where the

center left in order to reach an agreement with the senior on a 2 state solution called heavy both way easy was a big what did you need this piece around the edge. what in 20 seconds, please. can you respond to a case on 20 seconds? well, that's what it has. so let me just congratulate you and your team. i find you very well prepared, so well done for the preparation. and in response to a key, you know, the author orthodox, are generally inclined to believe in peace through strength. it's true that they need towards the right, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of other coalition. on the 4th of time, gentleman a buyer's well, fafsa occupies the professor if i'm in, but i really appreciate you inside looking forward to talking to you in the near future when there's more developments on this particular study. thank you. a tool for it. so you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website as

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