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of the deficiencies throughout brush. so like for example, moscow in st. petersburg, we're probably, i expect the turn out will be the lowest involved rush. it was, it was former president jeff goza novel has made a defiant appearance to the valley and really vision that comes of the day after the release of testimony from former military chiefs, accusing him of talking to over time. the 2022 election result department heads of the army and the air force, staples and nato, presented them with the plan to reverse the outcome of the vote, which was won by his rival. so that the silver monica you're not here have, has more from rio de janeiro business as usual for brazil, spam or president valuable. so not participating in political rallies. i had of october as municipal elections telling this proud of supporters that he's ready to for the surprise. i am not afraid of being judged as long as the judges are impartial. also not as being investigated for allegedly plotting
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a code to keep himself in power. after losing the 2022 elections. the rally took place one day after brazil supreme court released incriminating statements made by top military officers. also not as former army and air force commanders told federal police that he had planned to overturn the leg pro results, but did not have enough support. a friend plus as the name of data. and then most denado didn't need tanks to stage a coup. what he did was the health of some of his military aids was use psychological fit, sprayed misinformation, and created the misguided sensation that most brazilians wanted a military intervention for the whole. so not a supporters still believe their leader. when he tells them the elections may have been wrecked and that he did nothing wrong, so so not of forehead late. the 2022 election was stolen, the old noble so not one will support him until the end. only god can put both in
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our into got chosen to guide us that only god can decide this that also now to will continue trying to show his political strength on the streets. but that will not be enough to stop the ongoing investigation nor to reduce his chances of being in prison. monica, not you of all just era realtor scenario and the bottom line is up next. don't forget the website. of course i'll just leave a dot com. i know about us and stay with us on the despite being housed in 2018 sort of back, just 5 minutes is back in power along with this hotline politics. he needs someone to hate. that's help up in his own words, along with food in how would his reappearance affect neighboring you prayed,
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and the persecutes of minorities within the slovak republics, borders? honestly, i have to say that i'm afraid to go back here. the return of itself on a jersey to hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question as binding lays out a red line with israel. and then he says, oh, there are no red lines with israel. what impact is whitehouse? confusion having on the war and gaza. let's get to the bottom line. the risk of realizing that he's losing a good chunk of his electro base. you as president joe biden, and other democratic party leaders have turned up the heat on his really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, in words, if not necessarily in actions biting, said that, you know, who was hurting, is real, more than helping is real. and a few days later, us senator chuck schumer, who's also been one of the leading supporters of israel for decades called the as really prime minister and obstacles
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a piece. and actually said he needs to step down. but does this just make netanyahu more popular in his own country? and how does this public spot do anything to end israel's war on gaza now? and it's 6 months of starvation, disease and total destruction, the millions of palestinians who just got nowhere else to go. today we're speaking to professor jeffrey sachs, the director of the center for sustainable development at columbia university. and one of the world's leading economist, dr. sacks, thank you so much for joining say, where is the conscience and where are the policies that are focused on the potential a war crimes every day in every way that you see out there and what should be done about it as well? what should be done about it is straightforward. of course, what the government of israel is doing is unconscionable. a world opinion is united against israel. the problem is the united
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states remains complicit in these war crimes because it's traditional in us politics that politicians show no space between the united states and israel. now what's interesting is that we have seen i verbally by who i am schumer, i have been pretty explicit about the absolute unacceptability of the israeli government policies, but they haven't acted. but of course, a strong effect of us president would do, would be to stop the flow of munitions if those munitions are being killed, they use for slaughter ad for killing tens of thousands of innocent people, which is exactly what's happening by them is a very weak president,
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we don't even know his real mental state, frankly, but he's a terribly weak president, so he rings his hands. he complains, but it's as if i don't run this the us government actually it's, it's something i can't recall. i in this way where the president says our policy is so one. so and that the offices? no, it's not. i. and in fact netanyahu way is the one that seems to be calling the shots day by day. my question to you is, could he lose the election against donald trump over this conflict? as i've been telling guy i friend is, i don't know whether they would count me as a friend any more. but i've been saying to a democratic party leaders actually for years that divide the foreign policy, not only piece of the israel, that's more recent, but also the ukraine work and other tensions. absolutely,
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i will hurt them terribly at the polls. i said that in the mid term, so when the republicans captured the congress, i've left the party here because i'm so unhappy with the war monitoring of the democratic party. but it's basically a war monitoring. i think i in support of a president who's a war monitor, but is just generally weak and, and i think you incompetent, frankly. so people see this, they don't want 5 even to run for re election. they think he's too old to infirm, and he's a display of incompetence on these foreign policy issues. is that it is clearly i very much hurting him in these opinion, surveys to add in his approval ratings, which are awful going into a re election campaign. but to give the president and element of the,
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i don't know whether to call it credit, but to kind of note some things they've done. there's clearly a shift in the rhetoric. clearly a shift where, you know, even chuck schumer has come out and said, you know, is really fine. mr. b meeting, yahoo has to go that you've got a commitment now, although it's taking 60 days or so to build a portal and i mean, i don't know whether that is sounds like a good thing or the world this thing. wow, the united states cannot build a port very quickly, but 60 days to get materials in who there are there any net positives you see in the shifting tone, the commitment to try to get another aid portal in the gaza. then they have now as well. you know this port, the thing is a, a tragic comedy because why are they building a port when they have a road? they're building a port because the israeli government is blocking the road. we don't need to build a port to get aid and we need to stop the absolute,
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the more crime policy making of the israeli government. and that can be done by saying as the us has on other occasions, no more arms for this kind of policy. we don't want to be complicit in genocide. you know, the genocide charge use in front of the international court of justice for those of what us who watched very closely those proceedings, read the pleadings and know the 1948 genocide code. it's, i think quite likely that the international court of justice is going to find that israel is in violation of the genocide convention. and does the united states want to be complicit in genocide? this is a pretty straightforward question. i. all of the rhetoric shows the pain, but also the weakness of the us in this is, are we really simply following the line of the israel lobby? is that what this is?
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or is the president so weak, maybe incapacitated? we don't know that he's not able to effectively be president of the united states. i don't know. i just watch it along with the rest of us and i don't much like what i see. so yes, rhetoric is one thing i and to me blinking has been ringing is hands in pain saying we want the israel is to do this and that. and then in the same breath saying, no red lines, no red lines won't come on. that's complicity in these war crimes. when you're an expert in development and you've been talking a lot about famine conditions, i want our audience to understand what would be possible. if you had a true spam and condition you had true star vision, real starvation. how that scales in terms of the potential casualties of those
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conditions. well, 1st let me say that we are seeing a massacre in front of our eyes. it is a absolutely easy to main. uh, it is absolutely war crimes. it is arguably, i personally think likely genocidal. according to the legal standards of the 1948 genocide convention. and so all of this is shocking to me that this does go on day by day in full view. we haven't had their genocides by captured by your video feed day by day. we have id f forces. these rarely defense forces standing. there is psalms up as they blow up, universities, mosques, hospitals, apartment buildings. it's unbelievable. we have members of the israeli cabinet preaching hate. we've seen these
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a religious nationalist extremist rabbis talked about killing all the people in gaza and asked, do you mean the children? rabbi says, yes, the children, they can grow up to be terrorist. we're seeing things that are absolutely unconscionable, and we need is railey leaders and intellectuals to stand up and say that is not acceptable for our country and our society and it, we're not seeing it, but we need to see that. so this is the 1st point on the scale. well there's, there's no limit to what's possible because there are hundreds of thousands of people who are profoundly undernourished. right now. food rations have been to a minimum or not of rations. actually. we have seen emaciated children come to the remaining hospitals and died in the hospitals. we see people swarming the for
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relief and then being killed. we see people being killed by this novelty of a mirror or dropping the packages and killing people underneath by the weight of these packages falling to the yard, rather than the decency of opening up a supply line for food fuel water, which is absolutely a necessity under the conventions of war, israel plainly violates day by day and the us remains complicit. so if the, the scale, if, if is real attached rafa where it has pushed the people of gaza, they unbelievable concentration of people in the south. i'd say that's where you're safe and then start. so a lot encouraging and to wrap up,
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god knows how many more thousands, tens of thousands will die if there is no aid relief, heaven knows what's going to happen on all of this. and so this isn't something that we should be pondering as a intellectual or forecasting exercise. it's something that should and today, and it could and today it could and by the united states government saying we are not providing the munitions for slaughter period. that what ended israel cannot do this one day without the united states, but all the hand wringing all the complaining. all of the supposed i statements by, by the net. yeah. i was in high school and i'm quoting him, i'm not making that statement. i'm quoting what has been in the papers that's meaningless. if we continue to provide the munitions and we have the statements by,
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by the blinking, that there are no red lines for his real. it's meaningless. so it's, it's really amazing to me that you're, you're, you're eval all over the world and talking to leaders all over the world. people are still on this continuing in this way day by day. they don't understand what's happened to the united states of america, israel, they, they, they don't like what they see. right? but the united states of america, they don't on while i want to, i wanted to ask you a question about your interaction with leaders around the world. cuz i know you interact with him. i've seen you do this. i mean, just saying as they are looking at that what you just said, are apparent, inability or unwillingness to pressure israel to open a road gate to get more substantial supplies, medical and health and food in you know, it. what does that say about the conversations about trying to deliver,
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to stay in solution or trying to accomplish anything? i think, are they seeing a centrally or united states that is completely impotent in this? yes, and what are the ramifications for american credibility globally? america's isolated, it is a guy on the losing end of every vote in the united nations. we may say, oh, who cares where the united states, you know what it's like to be on a boat, where the world says palestine it deserves firms, has the right to political self determination. and for countries in the world for vote against that israel. naturally, the united states of america, micronesia, which by compact, is bound to vote with the us. so it's not even a choice. and now right now, room is a very nice island of 12000 people. that's america's allies. this
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hurts bad weight. and so the reputational costs are enormous. but the sense that america's rudderless liter list is very wide spread. let me ask you about the un relief and works agency for palestine on right. now 3 countries, canada, sweden in australia, have reversed their positions that they had stopped supporting and right in, in there was an investigation going on looking into potentially 14 individuals who may have conspired or been part of from us when this went on, that's out there. that's public um united nation. so said it is investigating this . been very forward with that. but on right employees to thousands of people, 16000 in gaza alone. i'm just interested from your you know, title which is sustainable development. is there any development? is there any ability to um, economically support in sustain the people of
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a palestine after this? if one rock does not get support from the united states, there now is now a bill trying to make american suspension of a permanent actually, i'm just interested in your thoughts on that front on right. because her role with work in a the award zone and it has lost a huge number of staff to this war is real targets. the united nations i is really use is the united nation. so as it's punching bag and honora has taken the brunt of this, israel make some statement about on. right. and then all of these politicians run into immediately cut off the a, they see a genocide or mass of war crimes going on before their eyes for weeks and weeks and weeks. and they take no action at all. but israel makes
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a claim about on roth and within hours. the aid is cut off. is the word is shambolic, meaning b to be shamed. the idiocy of these politicians, as they scurried around to try to win favor with this lobby and bath lobby is disgraceful. that's all it is. this is they, they play a game in their politics where it's life and death by the hour. that's really at stake. and the attack on, on roy is despicable action by israel. which of course should know better on that account. but it's a country after all that just killed 31000 people, most of them women and children. so it doesn't seem to know right from wrong on many other things as well. what are your thoughts, jeff? on the appointment of someone, i imagine, you know, mohammed missed the fuzz,
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the new prime minister of the palestinian authority. housing authority from my book is an interesting organization because in a way, part of his job is to manage the occupation of palestine, you know, under israel, in, in, in a certain way, but also to look and tell us any interest. but you've got another world bank economist who is now in the mix here. what are the blind spots of that, or what are the opportunities? well, the opportunity is the following. every body's other than israel, everybody in the world including the united states, says we need the 2 state solution implemented. this is actually even the united states. this is chuck schumer, president by base, say it. okay, let's do it. because this has been talked about for decades, we don't need any more piece process. we don't need any more discussion. we need to implement what is already international law. in the form of repeated un security
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council resolutions and un general assembly resolutions. my recommendation to cut through this here is that the united nations immediately recognized the state of palestine as the 100 and 94th u. n. members state with capital in east jerusalem with the pre 1967 borders. and that we don't say that that's the end point of some vague peace process which has been the dame and the claim for decades. but that is what is needed for peace. now, interestingly, in september 2011, palestine, which is a state recognized by a 140 countries, but it is not
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a un member state applied to the united nations for membership. and when that happens, it goes to a membership committee that these constituted by the members of the un security council. and that membership committee looked at the qualifications of palestine, looked at the claim and said, yes, this is a valid application. but the united states, of course, blocked it and talked the palestinians into accepting a un observer status. that was 13 years ago. they set up a time by the way to the palestinians. you don't come middle, come, give us time. the united states is not an honest broker in this, the united states has been an agent to this real. israel absolutely is blocking the 2 state solution that the whole rest of the world wants and that is international law. and so my recommendation is vote the 2 state solution, the united states,
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my recommendation. don't block what you say. you want me? well, let me, let's move to it. well, let me ask you about that. part of, of palestine on the west bank that, that has, you know, i think broadway people see, often either from mazda is not in control, but you have 3476 new home units that have just been approved in the middle of this crisis, i would say you have harassment, you have detentions, you have checkpoints, you have ongoing land fads and you have, you have that area that so many of these countries it recognizes the state under that sort of control and management. and uh by is really a security forces right now, and that's not from us running the show as it wasn't god. what is the, what are we missing in this equation, jeff? and so what we're missing is that starting at 1970 israel deliberately and the
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legally began to occupy the it'd begin to settle in the palestinian territories. and i, i 1st saw this and learned a bit in 197252 years ago. this was what at the time was called the alone plan. the idea was, well, you know, it may be illegal, but we're going to do it any way because we, meaning israel will make facts on the ground. and they started this illegal settler movement. and he grew and it's now hundreds of thousands and it became a major extremist political movement. and a religious extremist nationalist movement with representation like a a bed is allow, it does allow a smoke which in the cabinet who's one of the most extreme is politicians in
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israel's history. and of course, that's the goal. they do not want any palestinian state, but that's illegal. and to run an apartheid state board at the cleansing, or a genocide or whatever they have in their minds, which is who knows or will never lead to peace. and that's what we're talking about right now. so what are we do with it? it's clear, this is an extremist, is really government that does not want a palestinian state. and the whole rest of the world says the only route to peace is a 2 state solution. and my view is we can't leave this to israel palestine negotiations. we know what that's going to deliver. we need to put in place, but to state solution. that's
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a vote to going to happen today at the un security council today. or will have to leave it there. i really appreciate your candor. columbia university professor jeffrey sachs, thanks so much for joining us. great to be with you. thank you. so what's the bottom line we'll have for a year into a war where israel has killed tens of thousands of innocent people and destroyed the infrastructure of a closed off area with roughly the population of an american state like connecticut in direct talks between hamas and israel. are ongoing with the biggest and most influential player. and all of this is the united states, which is simultaneously shipping bombs with no conditions on their use and taking 2 months to build a port of entry into gaza to deliver supplies, food and medical. but let's just face it were desperately needed, months ago, like the president's before him, 5 and sees and one and the risks of allowing israel to continue is war. and then the other hand, the political consequences of stopping it,
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especially in an election year. when will he decide that one out ways, the other, that's when the war will end, and that's the bottom line, the what constitutes exempt. so we can talk to a see, i want you to start with just the facts rather as to what happened as independent. we won't be so we want the education my want to we don't have to lead them in different countries and policy and it's going to get 50 percent representation and accountability and benefit. no 1000 service this placement and you're saying you don't have any reports with it. i should just trust the community off to the side, the cool that used to produce outstanding gentleness. and i'll just the integrity
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in the pursuit of people who is lived here for generations still use the natural terrain for shelter since israel's war on god. so begin host indians living and remote communities in the occupied westbank say. similar attacks have double put a coordinated campaign by is really sensors and soldiers. one of home demolitions forced evictions and settlement expansions is forcing people back into the caves. subterranean life is changing, living in a cave is not the same as it used to be. there's like tricity indoor plumbing, modern appliances, tiles, palestinians living in this community may be forced to live under ground. but they say they can't be forced to live uncomfortable. but the threat of displacement to silence is never far away in palestine. it is another for blowing. another struck
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