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day after the release of testimony from former military chiefs accusing him of plotting to overturn the 2022 election results, often aro, told his supporters, he is ready to face trial. on a piano cap reports from rio de janeiro. the business is used for brazil spam or pressed invaluable. so non participating and political rallies had of october as municipal elections telling this proud of supporters that he's ready to consider. trial. i am not afraid of being judged as long as the judges are impartial. also not as being investigated for electrically plotting a quote to keep himself in power. after losing the 2022 election. the rally took place one day after brazil supreme court released incriminating statements made by top military officers. also not as former army and air force commanders to federal police that he had planned to overturn the leg pro results,
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but did not have enough support the same process as the most a non row didn't need tanks to stage a coup. what he did was the health of some of his military aids was use psychological bullshit, sprayed misinformation, and created the misguided sensation that most brazilians wanted a military intervention. also, not a supporter, still believe their leader. when he tells them the elections may have been reeked, and that he did nothing wrong. so, so not a boy here late. the 2022 election was stolen. the old noble so not a one will support him until the end. the only god can put both in our into got chosen to guide us only god can decide this right also now to will continue trying to show his political spence on the streets. but that will not be enough to stop the ongoing investigation nor to reduce his chances of being in prison.
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we've money to buy informed opinions. the relevance of the security council is diminishing with every passing day. frank assessments politicians with the often in the highest level they've been using games for the policy when they come out to implement dave and course the arrival inside story on al jazeera. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. as barton lays out a red line with his wheel and then he says, oh, there are no red lines with israel. what impact is white house confusion having on the war and gaza? let's get to the bottom line. the after realizing that he's losing a good chunk of his electrical base, you as president joe biden, and other democratic party leaders have turned up the heat on his really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, in words, if not necessarily in actions bite instead, netanyahu was hurting his real more than helping is real and
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a few days later us senator chuck schumer, who's also been one of the leading supporters of israel for decades called the as really prime minister and obstacles and piece and actually said he needs to step down. but does this just make netanyahu more popular in his own country? and how does this public spot do anything to end israel's war on gaza now? and it's 6 months of starvation, disease and total destruction, the millions of palestinians who just got nowhere else to go. today we're speaking to professor jeffrey sachs, the director of the center for sustainable development at columbia university. and one of the world's leading economist, dr. sacks, thank you so much for joining say, where is the conscience and where are the policies that are focused on the potential a war crimes every day in every way that you see out there and what should be done about it as well? what should be done about it is straightforward. of course, what the government of israel is doing is unconscionable. a world opinion
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is united against israel. the problem is the united states remains complicit in these war crimes because it's traditional and us politics, that politicians show no space between the united states and israel. now what's interesting is that we have seen i verbally by who i am schumer, i have, i been pretty explicit about the absolute unacceptability of the israeli government policies, but they haven't acted. but of course, a strong, effective view west president would do, would be to stop the flow of munitions if those munitions are being killed,
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they use for slaughter, for killing tens of thousands of innocent people, which is exactly what's happening by them is a very weak president we don't even know his real mental state, frankly, but he's a terribly weak president, so he rings his hands. he complains, but it's as if i don't run this the us government actually it's, it's something i can't recall you in this way where the president says our policy is so one. so, and that the offices? no, it's not. i. and in fact, netanyahu way is the one that seems to be calling the shots day by day. my question to you is, could he lose the election against donald trump over this complex? as i've been telling guy i friend is i don't know whether they would count me as a friend any more. but i've been saying to a democratic party leaders actually for years that divide and foreign policy,
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not only piece of the israel, that's more recent, but also the ukraine work and other tensions. absolutely, i will hurt them terribly at the polls. i said that in the mid term, so when the republicans captured the congress, i've left the party because i'm so unhappy with the war monitoring of the democratic party. but it's basically a war monitoring. i think i in support of a president who's a warm mind or what is just generally weak and, and i think you incompetent frankly. so people see this, they don't want binding even to run for re election. they think he's too old to infirm, and he's a display of incompetence on these foreign policy issues. is that it is clearly i a very much hurting him. i didn't get these so opinion
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surveys and in his approval ratings, which are awful going into a re election campaign. but to give the president and element of the i don't know whether to call it credit. but to kind of note some things we've done. there's clearly a shift in the rhetoric. clearly a shift where, you know, even chuck schumer has come out and said, you know, is really fine. mr. b meeting, you know, who has to go that you've got a um, a commitment. now although it's taking 60 days or so to build a portal and i mean, i don't know whether that is sounds like a good thing or the world this thing. wow, the united states cannot build a port very quickly, but 60 days to get materials in who they are. are there any net positives you see in the shifting tone, the commitment to try to get another aid portal into gaza? then they have now as well. you know this port, the thing is a, a tragic comedy because why are they building a port when they have a road? they're building a port because the is really government is blocking the road. we don't need to
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build a port to get aiden. we need to stop the absolute, the more crime policy making of the israeli government. and that can be done by saying as the us has on other occasions, no more arms for this kind of policy, we don't want to be complicit in genocide. you know, the genocide charge use in front of the international court of justice for those of what us who watched very closely those proceedings, read the pleadings and know the 1948 genocide code. it's, i think quite likely that the international court of justice is going to find that israel is in violation of the genocide convention. and does the united states want to be complicit in genocide? this is a pretty straightforward question. i. all of the rhetoric shows the
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pain, but also the weakness of the us in this is, are we really simply following the line of the israel lobby? is that what this is? or is the president so weak, maybe incapacitated? we don't know that he's not able to effectively be president of the united states. i don't know why, just watch it along with the rest of us and i don't much like what i see. so yes, rhetoric is one thing i and to me blinking has been ringing his hands in pain. saying we want the israel is to do this and that. and then in the same breath saying, no red lines, no red lines won't come on. that's complicity in these war crimes. when you're an expert in development and you've been talking a lot about famine conditions, i want our audience to understand what would be possible if you had
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a true spam and condition you had true starvation, real starvation. how that scales in terms of the potential casualties of those conditions. well 1st let me say that we are seeing a massacre in front of our eyes. it is a is absolutely easy to main is absolutely war. crimes. it is arguably, i personally think likely genocidal. according to the legal standards of the 1948 genocide convention. and so all of this is shocking to me that this does go on day by day in full view. we haven't had their genocides by captured by your video feed day by day. we have id f forces. these rarely defense forces standing there at the psalms up as they blow up, universities, mosques, hospitals,
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apartment buildings. it's unbelievable. we have members of these really cabinet preaching hate. we seen these a religious nationalist extremist rabbis talked about killing all the people in gaza and asked, do you mean the children grab? i says yes, the children, they can grow up to be terrorist. we're seeing things that are absolutely unconscionable, and we need is railey leaders and intellectuals to stand up and say that is not acceptable for our country and our society and it, we're not seeing it, but we need to see that. so this is the 1st point on the scale. well there's, there's no limit to what's possible because there are hundreds of thousands of people who are profoundly undernourished. right now. food rations have been
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to a minimum or not a rations. actually, we have seen emaciated children come to the remaining hospitals and died in the hospitals. we see people's warming be for relief and then being killed. we see people being killed by this novelty of a mirror or dropping the packages and killing people underneath by the weight of these packages falling to the yard, rather than a decency of opening up a supply line. busy or food fuel water, which is absolutely a necessity under the conventions of war is real plainly violates day by day. and the us remains complicit. so it'd be the scale if, if israel attached rafa where it has pushed the people of gaza, they unbelievable concentration of people in the south. i'd say that's where you're
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safe and then start. so a or an encouraging and to wrap up. god knows how many more thousands, tens of thousands will dine if there is no aid relief, heaven knows what's going to happen on all of this. and so this isn't something that we should be pondering as a intellectual or forecasting exercise. it's something that should and today, and it could and today it could and by the united states government saying we are not providing the munitions for slaughter period. that what ended israel cannot do this one day without the united states. but all the hand wringing all the complaining, all of the supposed i statements by, by the net. yeah. i was in high school and i'm quoting him,
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i'm not making that statement. i'm quoting what has been in the papers that's meaningless. if we continue to provide the munitions and we have the statements by, by the blinking, that there are no red lines for israel, it's meaningless. so it's, it's really amazing to me that you're, you're eval, all over the world and talking to leaders all over the world. people are still on this continuing in this way day by day. they don't understand what's happened to the united states of america, israel, they, they, they don't like what they see. right? but the united states of america, they don't on while i want to, i wanted to ask you a question about your interaction with leaders around the world because i know you interact with them. i've seen you do this, i'm going to say as they are looking at what you just said, are apparent, inability or unwillingness to pressure israel to open a road gate to get more substantial supplies,
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medical and health and food in you know it. what does that say about the conversations about trying to deliver to a state solution or trying to accomplish anything? i think, are they seeing a centrally or united states that is completely impotent in this? yes, and what are the ramifications for american credibility globally? americas isolated, it is on the losing end of every vote in the united nations. we may say, oh, who cares where the united states, you know what it's like to be on a boat, where the world says palestine it deserves firms, has the right to political self determination. and for countries in the world for vote against that israel. naturally, the united states of america, micronesia,
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which compact is bound to vote with the us. so it's not even a choice. and now right now, room is a very nice island of 12000 people. that's america's allies. this hurts badly, and so the reputational costs are enormous. but the sense that america's rudderless liter list is very wide spread. let me ask you about the un relief and works agency for palestine on right. now 3 countries, canada, sweden in australia, have reversed their positions that they had stopped supporting and right in, in there was an investigation going on looking into potentially 14 individuals who may have conspired or been part of from us when this went on, that's out there. that's public um united nation. so said it is investigating this . been very forward with that. but on right employees to thousands of people, 16000 in gaza alone. i'm just interested from your you know,
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title which is sustainable development. is there any development? is there any ability to um, economically support and sustain the people of a palestine after this? if one rock does not get support from the united states, there now is now a bill trying to make american suspension of a permanent actually, i'm just interested in your thoughts on that front on right. does her role with work in a the award zone and it has lost a huge number of staff to this war? is real targets. the united nations i is really use is the united nation. so as it's punching bag and honora as the taking the brunt of this israel make some statement about on. right. and then all of these politicians run
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into immediately cut off the a, they see a genocide or mass of war crimes going on before their eyes for weeks and weeks and weeks. and they take no action at all. but israel makes a claim about on roth and within hours. the aid is cut off. is the word is shambolic, meaning the to be shamed. the idiocy of these politicians as they scurried around to try to win favour with this lobby. a map lobby is disgraceful. that's all it is. this is they, they play a game in their politics where it's life and death by the hour. that's really at stake. and the attack on, on roy is despicable action by israel. which of course should know better on that account. but it's a country after all of it's just killed 31000 people,
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most of the women and children. so it doesn't seem to know right from wrong on many other things as well. what are your thoughts, jeff? on the appointment of someone, i imagine, you know, mohammed, most of us, the new prime minister of the palestinian authority, passing me to 40 from my book is an interesting organization. because in a way, part of his job is to manage the occupation of palestine. you know, under israel, in, in, in a certain way, but also to look in the past. any interest. but you've got another world bank economist who is now in the mix here. what are the um, blind spots of that, or what are the opportunities? well, the opportunity is the following. every body's other than israel, everybody in the world including the united states, says we need the 2 state solution implemented. this is actually even the united states, this is chuck schubert present and by base say it. okay, let's do it,
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because this has been talked about for decades. we don't need any more piece process. we don't need any more discussion. we need to implement what is already international law in the form of repeated un security council resolutions and un general assembly resolutions. my recommendation to cut through this here is that the united nations immediately recognize the state of palestine as the 194th un member state with capital in east jerusalem with the pre 1967 borders. and that we don't say that that's the end point of some vague peace process which has been the dame and the claim for decades. but that is what is needed for peace. now, interestingly, in september 2011,
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palestine, which is a state recognized by a 140 countries, but it is not a un member state applied to the united nations for membership. and when that happens, it goes to a membership committee that these constituted by the members of the un security council. and that membership committee looked at the qualifications of palestine, looked at the claim and said, yes, this is a valid application. but the united states, of course, blocked it and talked the palestinians into accepting a un observer status. that was 13 years ago. they set up a time by the way to the palestinians. you don't com, it'll come give us time. the united states is not an honest broker in this, the united states has been an agent of israel. israel absolutely is blocking the 2
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state solution that the whole rest of the world wants and that is international law . and so my recommendation is vote the 2 state solution, the united states, my recommendation. don't block what you say. you want me? well, let me, let's move to it. well, let me ask you about that part of a palace on the west bank that, that has, you know, i think broadly people see often either from mazda is not in control, but you have re, 1476 new home units that have just been approved in the middle of this crisis. i would say you have harassment. you have detentions, you have checkpoints, you have ongoing land fads, you have, you have that area of it. so many of these countries have recognizes the state under that sort of control and management of bias really of security forces right now. and that's not from us running the show as it was in gaza. what is the,
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what are we missing in this equation, jeff? so what we're missing is that starting at 1970 is real deliberately and illegally began to occupy. it'd begin to settle in the palestinian territories. and i, i 1st saw this and learned a bit in 197252 years ago. this was what at the time was called the alone plan. the idea was, well, you know, it may be illegal, but we're going to do it any way because we, meaning israel will make facts on the ground. and they started this illegal settler movement. and it grew and it's now hundreds of thousands and it became a major extremist political movement. and a religious extremist nationalist movement with representation like a
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a bed is allow, it does allow a smoke rich in the cabinet who is one of the most extreme is politicians in israel's history. and of course, that's the goal. they do not want any palestinian state but best illegal. and to run an apartheid state or an ethnic cleansing, or a genocide or whatever they have in their minds, which is, who knows. it will never lead to peace. and that's what we're talking about right now. so what are we do with it? it's clear, this is an extremist, is really government does not want a palestinian state. and the whole rest of the world says the only route to peace is a 2 state solution. and my view is we can't leave this to israel
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palestine negotiations. we know what that's going to deliver. we need to put in place, but to state solution. that's a vote that couldn't happen today at the un security council today. well, we'll have to leave it there. i really appreciate your candor. columbia university professor jeffrey sachs, thanks so much for joining us. great to be with you. thank you. so what's the bottom line? we'll have for a year into a war where israel has killed tens of thousands of innocent people and destroyed the infrastructure of a close off area with roughly the population of an american state like connecticut in direct talks between hamas and israel are ongoing. with the biggest and most influential player, and all of this is the united states, which is simultaneously shipping bombs with no conditions on their use and taking 2 months to build a port of entry into gaza to deliver supplies, food, and medical. but let's just face it were desperately needed months ago,
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like the presidents before him, 5 and sees in one hand, the risks of allowing israel to continue with war. and then the other hand, the political consequences of stopping it, especially in an election year. when will he decide that one out ways, the other, that's when the war will end, and that's the bottom line. the or we don't simply focus on the politics of the conflict. it's the human suffering that the reports are. we brave bullet in bonds and we always include the views from all sides. hodge, i mean to be used as the i, r c suffered casualties. we have not something to say. tyler sees, thank goodness we did have injuries from a missile strike on a guest house, thought provoking on to who that you say. no double stand to all of us any, any one in particular. i said,
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all facing realities government seems here to whittle down democracy. if this is troubling for you, it's very, very painful here. the story on talk to how does era critical debate punish? farmers are angry people of starving, and we actually have to experts all good because we've money to buy informed opinions. the relevance of the security council is diminishing with every passing day. frank assessments politicians and may be often in the highest level have been using games for this policy could be cut out of the service because even course the arrivals inside story on al jazeera, the, [000:00:00;00]
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