impossible to ignore. there is no one nor, or international humanitarian law that has no being violated. then we have some western powers supports of israel's actions. he's well has the right to defend itself. it has the duty to defend its people. it is astonishing just how deep cleaning corrupt materially and tomorrow the they all look at how the international news are being applied and ignore. to me is ro cause a conflict. israel, a buffalo on out to 0. they are a sector of safe is on his 6th visit to the middle east and says, well, stuff is war and does that. so what, what does and to the blink and got to offer this kind of washington pressure, israel's government to change direction. this is inside story, the don't welcome to the program. i'm the clock. the secretary of state is in balance

on another diplomatic tour of the mid least stops inside of your rabbit egypt. and telling me is all part of a push or a ceasefire agreement between israel and the mass. washington is on the increasing pressure. his warnings grew of a catastrophic finding. dogs on the ground invasion and rough and the towards that happening as us adults, that strongest language towards israel, yet submitting a draft resolution to the you. and that recognizes a need for an immediate cease 5 tied to the release of captives held by a mass. so what makes this visit any different from the previous 5 would explode these issues with our panel of guest in a moment. but 1st this report by alexandra by. it's becoming a familiar site. us secretary of state antony blinking, touching down in israel on a diplomatic push for a ceasefire and gaza. this attempt is his 6th, but he says he remains optimistic. and tim austin, israel are closer to reaching and it's rebate. there's still real challenges we've,

we've, we've closed the gaps, but there are still gaps. so i can't, i can't put a timeline on it. blinking has met prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and members of the, as bailey war cabinet. it's happening as washington march, the clear shift in tone towards the dialogue. it submitted a un resolution this week, acknowledging the need for an immediate and sustained cease fire in its strongest language. yet, after months of avoiding the term and vetoing similar resolutions, lincoln is bringing information from talks. he's just had with a saudi crown prince and jetta, and aero, before and ministers in cairo. they discuss possible plans for garza's after the war, including on how it could be governed and kept secure. there's a clear consensus around a number of shared priorities. first, the need for an immediate sustain ceasefire with a release of hostages. that would create space to search more humanitarian

assistance, to relieve the suffering of many people and to build something more enduring, those the admin hardware inside that the is also in agreements on the importance of avoiding any military escalation in the area of rafa. on the complete rejection of the displacement of palestinians from outside of that land of view to nothing yahoo has so far, brushed off any opposition to a planned ground invasions of rafa. and as the diplomats talk is rarely bonds are continuing to reduce garza to rubble. a new wave of attack on friday, killed and injured dozens of palestinians across the strip. and the death toll from israel's war is nearing 32000 palestinian men women and children. alexander buyers. alda 0 for inside story.

so a very important discussion for our panel today, we have in washington, dc ambassador most of what by whose president ameritas of the art gulf states institute in washington and a former state department official in badging today. but usually based in the okay, we have professor roxanne farming from young, who is a specialist in more than the middle east politics. and in ramallah, i know are a day is a pilot, the new political novelist on a former student across one up here that does their anguish. welcome to show everybody at. okay, i'm not sure i'd like to start with the festival. lot of things happening in town in the right now we have view and factory state as well in discussing. and our lead is talking about the future palestinian state we have since for our resolutions before the un security council. and then of course, that it gets ations receipts for right here and though ha, meanwhile, the shelling the killing goes on. how do you assess where we are now and all we any closer to the guns over garza being silenced as well. as you

mentioned in the piece, just the 1st of all, thank you for inviting me and i look forward to our discussion this morning. so as mentioned in the piece that we just saw, this is the 6 a trip before secretary blank come to the reach. and obviously it's been a very difficult challenge for him because you have a secretary of state that's going out to the region on the one hand with a clear mission and object of to bring of support to applying post garza and then at the same time also talk to the israelis about avoiding a major military action in or off where you have such density of civilians are all cluster and roughly as they move from to north into the south. so it's very, it's been a difficult challenge because he doesn't have all the necessary tools. the president has not given this the secretary of the,

let's say the low rich that he could use to, especially on is really side. i think in terms of his discussions with the are leaders for the post war and gonna, there's probably been a lot more progress on the front with the hope that it's in a post garza and also in a post that's in yahoo, a environment. the plan of the arabs are not discussing with the united states would be with the appeal to the israeli body politic enough to at least start the 1st very, very early stuff on the ceasefire. i think um, you know, obviously the, the main talks are happening with the intelligence, the sector. we have secretary and we have a direct turnville, bronson. most sides intelligence chief and also the egyptian intelligence chief meeting with the countries today. and i think that's where you're really gonna see, hopefully some action on a ceasefire and then okay,

what maybe which just and so we'll get into that in a 2nd. i just want to jump in there for secondary rest of the ones to bring in and know from ramallah. and as you observe this new off from where you are, the continued callaghan, gaza, the diplomacy, the negotiations, and talk of the day often. how do you assess where we're at? there's a long time expecting in what's going on and as a product. and you thank you, nick for having me, i think as a, as a palestinian. this is a painful, you know, cycle of henri pete of american failed policy in the region, the bite and administration of sucking to everybody under the sun except the palestinians. and when it does talk to the palace, the news that talks at them, it tells them what needs to be done. and it does not take into account what they want done and what the palestinian public wants done. and it's a bit. i don't know what the right board would say, but a bit gets

a frantic of it divorced from reality to be talking about the day after the war. when the onslaught is happening, window shift, the hospital is again under siege for the 5th day in a row, when hundreds of people are being killed and injured every day. and when the prospect even of the day after for gaza is about promise. nothing concrete. there's a verbal shift in the american narrative, but there isn't really a policy shift. there's a bit of an opportunistic if you will change in narrative because of domestic american considerations. but there isn't anything real or concrete in that change. and as the ambassador was saying, bite and hasn't given blinking much leverage to use to personally, as rarely as will have been intransigence. what been uncooperative lift continued to star palestinians as

a matter of policy to declare they are not willing to play ball. they don't want to talk about a political horizon. they don't even want to talk about the day after the war because there, there is no interest in ending this war. um, so it's not really clear to me what lincoln will will bring to the table, except a lot of photo ops and the, you know, hope that his sweet talk, this time will play well. blue play out what both for the audience and for the constituents of the democratic party, back home. right, and rocks and other and by getting everything the rest is everybody said on the talk. so to go you on just a few kilometers from where i sit here in de la, those these funny guys the asians. but as we've just heard from nor, and from the in boss, it isn't the reality that to see as far as the last thing that benjamin netanyahu, once it could split his coalition that could split his base. and he would then have some serious legal music to face his is just the ain't gonna buy it as they say

a well, he's made clear he's not going to by a judge. i find that as a result, what has to look at linkage tour or rather as a play for the american public? it's quite a diversion. narrow tactic. i think there's really only one things that uh, so far he has offered that has any concrete hope to it, and that is he has gone to the salaries. he's spoken deployment a to foreign minister 5 all of their haunch and i think they are trying to make a swap if you will, of the saudis accepting normalization in return for them really pushing for a palestinian. 8 or a 2 state solution. the difficulty i think is that because the uh is rarely have uh no interest in that stuff. as far as i understand from speaking to the people that

i have, they have actually no plans in place as no one of the ministry actually working on this. there's no office in the is really government that is actually looking at strategies for 2 states solutions. it. ringback not really anything more real than what lincoln is talking about on these trips. so i think that it is a disappointing venture that he seems to be on, certainly for him. but also for the, the cloud, the united states might be considered to be able to bring it, for example, they were willing to reduce the amount of our sales to as well, after all, 68 percent of the ours, of the as well as are using rebecca and that to me, seems to be a much stronger way to approach this. and it's one of the things that those in the me least looking at other states that are not part of this conversation. but that play a role of iran and a number of the access to a resistance that it controls the of the question is, isn't there really

a um, a 2 step game going on here and the americans are really not playing fair. right. and best of they said, is it, you will view that the see saw they all these negotiations that going on here in the hall will fail, that they will not agree a hostage of captive deal. and that the deceased by will not go ahead. well, well it's so hard to tell what will happen in these. i mean you've got really a collection of very senior folk sitting at the table in the hot today. so we may see a break through, but it's not a short thing. the only reason i agree with my colleague, the only reason i don't know may accept a temporary and he will call a that's regardless of, of what everyone else calls it. that it would be a pause is always so you can get some of those really hostages out that would help him domestically. there is

a lot of pressure on it. yeah. on israel for the us just. but it's not in his interest to have a long a ceasefire, and that's why it would have to be a very, a very short one. but the main problem here is that you have the government really in a very tight and balancing act. you know, you're on one hand, you're trying to push as well as to allow more humanitarian aid and a cease fire. the release of some of the hostages and also gives you some breathing space and maybe able to negotiate more and the same time you're trying to keep the domestic political environment in the us during an election year from we're really hurting the presidents of a chance of winning this so it's very important to election for americans. so it's a really tough balancing act that by them is tracing. and as i said earlier, he has lot of power blinked is really to use all american leverage for the domestic

political reasons. and rooks on that, if hostage towards fail, if these captive totes failing to cease fire doesn't happen, then by the, the, by the ministration is a real di limit. isn't it? whether to continue to insist on linking the release of the captives with a cease fire. in the face of a, a clear and present warning from you and panel of experts. it says that we're on the brink of a devastating farm. and that's going to kill tons of thousands. yes, it is a dilemma. and i think a new pull in, in the west actually makes it even more difficult because it looks like in the poll, that's a great number of people in the united states, particularly the older ones are supportive of what 5 minutes doing. they see that as the folks that the as rarely as of taken towards the palestinians is correct. so the, the numbers are definitely showing in the united states to fight and has to watch what he's doing. but meanwhile,

there's this real booming of famine. manmade famine, and this is something that has, is already a road, a u. s. reputation in the, in the region, and then the world that it's allowing this to happen. and it's something that clearly this particular trip by blinking has been put forward to try well versed and i don't think that it's going to easily meet you to a sufficient, a reaching a raw ha and the rest of the policy. and the end of it probably stay ends in gaza in time. and then is it the reply? defensive is really offensive on roughly which will come through in a 2nd. but know before that, just wondering what would you say that the majority of palestinians want here kalia a ceasefire? no doubt about that. but what's, what's the ball going that they're prepared to accept all the hostages. all the captains held and going to let's think, i don't think that there is

a palestinian who would oppose an agreement whereby all the captives are released in one goal. but there is an understanding amongst old fellow citizens that the cost for that would be extremely high in terms of what the, what, how much on the other groups are going to ask there is, i think a growing understanding among palestinians, but the expectation or the hope that old palestinian palestinians and prisons by israel would be released is not going to happen, especially if we take into account the pin number of palestinians. and his really presence has more than doubled since october the 7th. and a lot of the people who are released in the 1st east fire have been detained once more. and there's a lot of room for flexibility here. but i think the priority right now, besides like you said, the cease fire is making sure aid enters the side of palestinian

children. dying of starvation is unbearable and it will bring things to another breaking point. not just here, but i think in the region as a whole. and then there's the issue of the return of palestinians displaced up to the south of gaza. this is a very critical point and this is a point that has been raised time. and again, in the negotiations in the how and in cairo palestinians have to be able to return to northern gaza. israel is treating this as a leverage point. it doesn't want to talk about it now, doesn't want to deal with it now. and that is very problematic. because the idea, it's all days i've overpower city, is that once this dispossessed, oh, is dispossess. nobody wants to go through that and have us certainly can't afford to pay the political price for not, you know, securing the return of hundreds of thousands of palestinians displaced from ga, the city and northern gaza. right. and many of them because one of the of many of

them are in rafa in the south of gaza. so roxanne, at these ran the prime minister, seems determined to go into rafa, whatever, despite pretty while every nation in the world, including the united states, tell him not to do that because the casualties could be horrifying. but if not, you know, who ignores that in piles in with a potentially dreadful consequences. what could the implications of that be? not so much on the ground, but politically and diplomatically for israel, and particularly for the united states. well, i think we're all in a position where we can't believe that it's gone on this long. we've, there been this. many people killed so many of them women in shopping so many of them shopping over 40 percent and yet nothing has happened. outrages being expressed, of course it has gone to the, the international court of justice. there have been a number of efforts by human rights organizations. but in fact, there,

there is, of course, in my view, a gradual and increasingly rapid deterioration and reputation. and in stature that the, that the united states has encountering, brought broadly. and that i think it has significant effects in terms of diplomacy and our international institutions that they cannot stop this. but encore, currently, i think it just forces us all to be witnesses to ethics and exceedingly. and, and a terrible situation is getting consistently rapidly worse about what was your view on the question. and also i wanted to ask you, should the united states decline to supply weapons that would be used in an invasion of rafa? well, i personally would certainly hope so. i think if we see of israel is going ahead

with a major military operation in raw hop, it'll be a really breaking point with the us. i think this is when reality is going to push the administration either to a quiet place. right. and maybe they have started already making it very clear that it's, if let me all proceeds with his plan for a major military operation and all that now would be very serious consequences. and i was just flying to the shore comments sentence or show or summons. and as a present, and by that was very obvious, support for senator schumer as comments. those are all messages to this. riley's that we're very serious about not moving into our offer and we're willing to go around that in your home and appeal to the israeli public. now is not enough leverage those rallies have gotten away with a lot of the last 50 years. it's not just the vitamin ministration, unfortunately, the american government has

a terrible track record when it comes to is rarely follows the new issues we have back slide it on so many issues that are we're seeing the fruits of them today, and we're getting a huge hit on american credit ability, american standing in the world and the bottom recession happens to be in place towards the solve. this for america is like me and others. it's very difficult because by that ministration has come in after public and administration, that many of us felt was really on a very bad track record for american standing both domestically and globally. and so now it's a, it's a, it's a big issue for a americans domestically. how do you support this president of this administration? and at the same time support what's going on in terms of their policy on israel and palestine? is another big issue, a is what happens next, nor ends, according to the a secretary of state that has been some consensus found between him and our foreign

ministers on the future. do you think sci fi would, would open the way to, to state talk? so what's your sense of it is a right to sound as bullish as he did about that? a look. i think the um, the biden administrations one i'd perspective on israel and palestine is very consistent. and even talking about palestinian statehood is meant to achieve a big win for as well. it is not out of a sudden change of heart that actually sees palestinians as human beings. otherwise the u. s. policy wouldn't have allowed and enable that empowered israel to go on committing this genocide for the past 6 months to shield it from accountability of the international stage and to oppose. ah, you know, what is happening at the international court of justice. a court that is now trying israel for genocide and also considering the whole legal status of this occupation

. so i, i don't really see any change for the bite and administration. they want to see, and he's really saw the deal. now that i was thinking, it was happened to be and, and all young details. so they want to kind of push it under the rug, tell the palestinians will work something out. there will be a prospect of something, a prospect of a palestinian state. that's much of the same and i would say after everything that has happened and given the fact that it's still happening, that is nowhere near enough to convince the palestinian child that the american policy is actually serious about their liberation, about 3 months, the patient from this occupation about telling is there a that it has to make a choice between being a colonizer forever of the palestinians, or to be a country that is accepted as a normal law abiding country in the region and beyond. but it's a moment of truth, not just for the americans, but i think for the whole system,

this international system that has allowed this to happen. it has allowed it to persist. and it always treated the palestinians as the detailed up can be sorted out later. it's easy to figuring them out. we'll talk about money, we'll talk about support. we'll talk maybe the possibly even about some reform. nothing really serious because at the end of the day, all of the chips are in the hands of these rarely. they are given veto power over ending the occupation over palestinian sovereignty and independence over the palestinian rights in general. that how is gonna change them? so i think all of this is really a waste of time. thanks for that. no, we're just going towards the end of the program and i just want to for a couple more questions before we wrap up in the, in a couple of minutes a, an impass of the festival. how do you read into into b, blinking bullets remarks about the future because he knows it is relevant by into 2 states and a new will say, no. well, for me, go on past the door and experience about, you know, what said behind the scenes may not be said to the why the public. and i think

this whole focus now by the administration on, you know, that the only long term solution is a 2 state solution. there is, i think, i think this whole october 7th attack my house and this debilitating war that we're watching now. and guns are, has brought and your realization to many in the united states. and this just can go on. but at the same time, i think anyone who is, who knows the region and knows the sign. and she knows that this narrative is you're talking about a 1015 year uh into the future. you're talking about a, just a solution that has been destroyed and it's on the ground by all of the things that there's really some done in terms of supplements, etc. etc. so when we talk about a 2 state solution right now, i really look at it as more of a p r exercise as a, as a way to hopefully give some hope to palestinians. the americans care enough to even

talk about this, which is new. um, but at the same time it's, it's not realistic. it's not pragmatic. to go down the path when you have such a right wing government and it's really not just the government, you have a right way population in israel now in terms of their support of $4.00. the news. okay. so you know about what you're just, uh sorry to interrupt but i just wanted for a question quickly at roxanne, we just time to ask the question about normalization before the war. it was on the agenda, but then it disappeared, of course with everything that's happened. but now it's back on 3. saudi, it seems. what do you expect the i think that's quite tricky too. i agree with the and both of those comments. i think that's a lot of this is just a pod air in that it's the only thing the rest and see at the moment to offer. but i think the saudis have become closer to the iranian so successful. the more to,

to the surprise of many, and i think that would put them into a very tricky position, which i'm not sure they're willing to do at this point. the united states is not seen as, as credible as it was before. and i think the neighborhood is now becoming much more of a focus for all of the gulf states out of so i think that's a very tenuous area for, for blinking to be lucky. so, so cheerful about and i think one of the things that's all summer disconcerting is that in speaking about a 2 state solution, i agree with, nor there is no real discussion with the palestinians themselves. that if we think about what has happened to them, the level of trauma that they are suffering from. uh, not to mention the fact that they're in the cities are in, have been leveled. so i can picture what it, what their position would be, and they are obviously necessary, critical to any kind of reconstruction thereafter. ok, all right, then,

so it goes on so much more to discuss. but we'll, we'll have to leave it that we've run out of time. thank you so much. that's what a guess most of what roxanne, if i'm and if i'm in and nor to j. thank you. and thanks for watching you can watch full program again, any time by visiting a website out there a dot com. and for further discussion, just go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash, hey j inside story. and you can also join the conversation on x all handle is at a inside story for me, the clock and the whole team here is good bye for now. the the latest news as it breaks, steps upon any social media platform could face court challenges over the issue of freedom of speech. but before that, this would have to pass the senate with detailed coverage or come from places where

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