is to keep the spirits and traditions of a fasting months, a live. gotcha. lopez holder. yeah. and has more as to get my bill because i had the luckless shabby green. never thought she'd have to prepare a meal in a mixture of tent for another ha, without a kitchen or electricity. but since these rules were on cause the more life has changed. she has managed to get some vegetables, but says food is now a luxury. many can't afford the hand why that is never mind before we would include beef chicken and turkey to make out traditional mach labor rice dish. now we have to make do before the well, we used to have delicious meals, but it's just too expensive. yeah. yeah. much i with e been sick, last name a, a, all the cooking in these conditions is challenging, especially during ramadan, many palestinians like if i a say it can also help in a sense of normality and a taste of home is only for a moment. had the cliff enough to almost to lose

a put peanut and traditional palestinian mail. everyone loves it. despite the will, will use every opportunity to celebrate the old tradition. yes, there was no b for chicken, but that doesn't stop us. we share it with our neighbors. we must show blessings with one another. now like thousands of palestinians and garza people living in this camp. and rafa have lost everything. and many are still trying to make sense of how much their lives have changed in the home on the button. the vis ramadan is different than others. last year was full of joy and happiness. democracy put forth that we were living in houses and apartments. but now this year we live in the 10. i see the view. it shows that even though reminders of loss and war are unavoidable, still there's a sense of community and resilience. one of them, i don't have them cabin electric. the one on this room, a donnie stuff because of the lack of food we oscar, go to put an end to this war to help us to go back to our neighborhoods. and the

house was on a this sierra more than others family say cooking isabel, much more than food. it's a reminder of faith, generosity, tradition, and ultimately of survival. katia a little bit, so the again, houses here. and that is it for me. several venue for this hour, we will be back at the top of the hour with a full round up of world news, senegal voting, and a delayed presidential election. the investigation into the concert hall, the tax in russia finale, no one else has 0. it's the bottom line to stay with the inside months of continuous funding. israel has destroyed nearly all of the cost is higher education system. 12 of 19 universities completely destroy 95 professors and ph. d holders, 231 teachers and administrators for palestinians describe witnessing apparel and

systematic more on education designed to wipe out the cause of schools and universe . how it is an attempt to annihilate the policy and influence on the academic work, obvious attempts administrators and students say to silence peaceful protest at a century old institution with a history of fighting for free. all the campuses and activism go head to here and rumble like it's no different. this is exactly the kind of thing. it is really just trying to stop. israel's motives are clear, read campuses suppress students crush hopes for a better future by trying to deplete power. stein's greatest resource, it's people a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a couple of questions. this is really need the us to force it to stop the war in gaza. and why is it the us doing anything to end it? let's get to the bottom line for almost

half a year. israel has argue that it wants total victory and gaza, although no one knows exactly what that looks like. so every day that israel tries to achieve its victory, hundreds more palestinians are killed, maimed or buried under rubble, with no end in sight, whether in the gaza strip or the west bank. meanwhile, the united states and its allies continue to supply weapons without conditions ensuring there is no permanency expire. at the same time, the us has submitted a draft resolution to the un security council that calls for an immediate cease fire and gaza. that's tied to the release of hostages held by him off. so what's the in game for the us in the middle east? where does washington want the conflict to really go and what risk for posed by president joe biden strategy? today we're talking with university of pennsylvania political scientist, i enlisted author of several books on the palestine. israel conflict most recently . paradigm lost from 2 state solution to one state reality and didn't ramallah dr. mustafah bar goodie, founder of the palestinian national initiative. let me start with you and thank you

so much for joining us. look, you've been writing a little bit that we've danced this dance many, many times that we've seen conflicts between israel and palestine. and there was an agent that was involved in bringing this to close. tell us what the history of conflict has required in the past, the ended, and what's happening now. we're asking about the war, how come this war has been going on for months and months without the united states stopping it? every other is reality. war started even as far back as 1948. i was stopped by great power intervention after the starting and $0.50 by american intervention after a very short time, a couple weeks couple months. there is no reason why this time is it taking so long? what is important to note is that none of israel's wars ended because it's war aims are achieved. that's because the warnings are fundamentally political and the

military cannot achieve them. the government can't admit that. so it needs the outside world, specifically the united states to stop the war. united states has not turned down the red light this time in every other conflict, it's taking up a couple of weeks or a month with united states to do that. that's why this war has going on as long as it has, and it will, and when united states turns on the red light and it won't end until then. so me stop up. you know, i find this to be an interesting moment. where if you look at the past and you and i have talked about this many times, one of the most cli shade over used frames made by presidents and secretaries of state in the past is that we in america, can't want piece more than they do. is that really the case? don't we need to want piece more than uh, the players in this conflict? no, no, no, i absolutely disagree with that. i think it's just one way of from the sides of the

american officials to but i know we have some deb responsibility at but then i have 2 corrections to make here about what was said touch the one. i don't like the word conflict it. it to today is to present the situation as if it's 2 sides, one equally didn't the fight and go over a piece of land and the, the don't know how to stop the site, not to. this is a 2nd of people who are under to patient. people who are being a breast since 1948 to the worst form of ethnic cleansing towards the enforcing 70 percent of them to become refugees. it's a struggle of people, i guess, a set lot of colonial projects which was initiated by as though and took away people's land or press them, made them. but if you jeez, now continues to come down. there is an early establishment and that includes not only not 10 year old, but also one of the, the guns and all the is that

a new position did don't belong to give any part of those by this time to understand, you know, they want all of the land for themselves and they don't accept hosted solution and they don't accept one state solution which would be a one democratic step. so what does that solution exactly what they are trying to do now in does that, which is ethnic cleansing? that is the key of the situation today. the united states of america as being supportive is 0. it mand some vegetable protests against isn't really something that's about the nothing to stop set them and spending which killed the possibility of the 2 state solution and create a new political power. and is it or a fascist, by hidden by smoking. as i'm being viewed who are not controlling there, is there any government you have more than 31000 people that 100000 people injured infrastructure wiped out? i mean, i'm just sort of sitting here and watching this play out. and i'm also watching

a president of the united states, joe biden, possibly laying out the framework for losing the next race because of antipathy inside the united states about these actions or the lack of action by that, by the president. so would love to get your thoughts and respond to dr. bar goody. well, i agree with so much of what the adaptability has just said, and i think that the listener we should understand 2 large things. and uh, 2 points that i want to make. one is that there's it, yes is real, is certainly a creation of settler colonialism. it is a settler colony at just like it, but that's true. so many countries in the world, united states, canada, new zealand, most, bolivia, argentina, australia, canada. that is the fact that a state comes into existence because a settler colonialism is not that unusual. and usually what happens is that the indigenous populations are in the isolated or rendered politically and significant

because of the demographics. but in this case, it's a very unusual case in which the indigenous population, the pallets. and you know, we're not an isolated, they were a, it's land 750000 expelled from their homes and 948 even more in 1967. but still they are masses of tell us the news still in palestine. in fact, there are more palestinian, the arrows between the river and the seed, and there are jews right now. so that means that you have a powerful state that ivy logically saw itself the way these other states have seen themselves. but on like united states, which does not face 300000000 native americans inside and outside is borders. israel still phases the indigenous population that the sellers date was set up to displace or dominate. so that's, so remember that that's what makes this such an unusual situation. it's both

a conflict and an example of settler colonialism and resistance. well, i 2nd the 2nd point and i want that, but i be here and i to states of supporting visitors because it sees itself and as it or by the difference is that we are, we are in the 21st century. and that is something called the national and united nations and all of that is so the here shows the law and kind of the united states does not just if, when he is in any way, it just doesn't mean anything that absolutely is the doctor. last thing. yes, i just want to finish that 2nd point. did the united states, i think you're right in the 1950s. there was a kind of 9 eve identification of pioneers with a pioneer in east austin, united states, the oklahoma kind of each as with how that seem in israel, but that is past united states is not motivated by taxes. kinds of images. what

motivates american politicians? and it's true of almost every president in recent times is a desire to get this issue off their back because politically, it's so dangerous to get on the wrong side of the issue. it's the, it's like cube or the only 2 issues in united states that are driven of foreign policy issues driven by domestic political imperative, which leads america to have a policy 3 or 4 standard deviations from the rest of the world. so united states, when it makes decisions about what to do with the middle east, with this conflict, is it as a great power, it, it responds to domestic political constraints. it doesn't care very much or even know very much, it doesn't care very much, let's say about what's good for palestinians are good for his realities. it's in the bottom line. what's good, politically, what's safe for us? and in that context, american presidents have engaged in peace processes,

but not going that distance necessary to put the pressure on is real to get that kind of compromise. it could have worked with stuff of our go to your a very good analyst of pastoring versus substance in my view when it comes to this conflict. and i'd love to get your take on the change language. the resolution possibility the interactions with is really prime minister netanyahu and joe biden. what do you take seriously? what do you find promising? and what do you find completely a share rate? well, the responding to that, we have to agree about one very specific point, which is that the united states of america cannot be a mediator in this concept if you go to the concept. and this the, let's see why, because the united states of america is absolutely up until 30 support to visit. and it's on the la visit are actually the united states of america. and this last tour has not to be an only complicit with that is that i do what crimes it has become participant in the crimes not only by supply and visited with 20,

if 1000 tons of explosives and blip on. so i took that, but also by sending it by sending to thousands, hundreds to visitors and by sending to the advisers to the editor it is to help them and what and what fear. and by yeah, but disappeared. think even in the come in at the visitor, the president product disappeared to the foreign minister of the survey that 5 or 6 times the national security adviser and the defense minister and the secretary of defense. they all participated. so united states isn't, is the in vote in this world, could i am that is happening, didn't guys? i know there is a huge exposure of these world crimes. the human side, the collective punishment distribution of the people is killing people with diseases with living with farming. it's so clear. so from the, from that perspective, i think they and i,

to students facing huge criticism worldwide, but also inside the united states. i think there is a huge young americans, univision, that does not accept what listed by that is doing. and he is losing directions because of that. there is also the whole out of muslim community in the united states will have become gradually a political voting fellow. and that is going to affect the chances of biden. so he's trying to, i've just, but on the other hand, they tried to adjust but they continue to do the bad things. for instance, there is allusion to do with going to present or disagree with. the concept has just changed. instead of saying, calling for us as i am now, they say the new language says it is imperative to have a cease fire. this that's very big difference. but i'm calling for that to lucy's fire. it's the and i have to states was really serious. big deal force is an immediate need to have a cease fire. they put their lives and we would have been told on kinds of military

supplies do it well. and they put them, isn't it? and we were starting to finance financing do more, and they put their lives and we started sanctions. if you don't stop southern meant activities, but they're not going to do any of that. that is the problem. and, and that is very entity. but in the face of the oil change, the hood hood is changing. there is a whole lot of evaluation against this aggression on the posting and people, i guess these were the crimes that nobody can deliberate. and there is a change inside that that states and what makes me really very, especially especially a proud of the change is that even the young jewish community is changing and money, or they aren't jewish activists out of the most. anything good support of by this time and the support of justice. we live in the 21st century. it's not, it's not the 12 century or the 10th century, and that's why i think what we see here is us. but i mean, not only about 1500 bytes, but about the principle of civilization. the principle of that i took people to

live according to international law. another demo of duncan, which is that it is imposing right. either go ahead i, unless thank you very important to note that he has is correct. there is a split in a jewish community in united states. there has been for a long time, but it's accelerating and is, was just said, the younger generation of jews, especially as fired by liberal values, is outraged by what's going on. disgusted by what israel and american foreign policy is done. i think what i understand inside the administration, there's also a struggle going on. and then ultimately when united states turns out in the red light and i agree completely, that is the capacity to do that. it will be the result of who wins in the battle inside the administration to try to convince vitamin that his own way of dealing with israel is got to completely change it is changing, but not very fast. and it's that battle inside the administration and inside the democrat, a party that seems like it will be decisive to decide when the war and so i and i

am last day. when does the red light come on? if you look at young voters in this country, in many key states and particularly michigan, minnesota, others there, they're saying they do not like what present biden's foreign policy is his, his close proximity to is rarely prime minister netanyahu in this conflict. and you'll see this coming on, and you see now 100 major democratic donors sent a letter to president biden and saying you've got to change course, or you may lose the selection. so i'm, if you, it's rare, i gotta tell people, it's rare that a foreign policy issue matters in the us presidential election. it's usually kitchen table economics. but this is the 1st time where you're actually seeing the black community. some parts of the black community also become ambivalent about the president right now because they see this conflict as a social justice issue, which reflects on them as well. so i'm just wondering when does the read like,

from your experience and looking at the history of these? shouldn't the red light have already come on? i guess that's my bottom line question. absolutely. i mean, not only shouldn't even come on from a moral point of view from a foreign policy point of view, but it shouldn't even come on from the domestic political interest of president biden. and, and what usually does the trigger that red light is a judgment that the domestic political situation allows that light to go on either because you can justify going against these real lobby because you don't want to a confrontation with the soviet union or with another great power, some kind of cuban missile crisis, or because as of the humanitarian catastrophe, what it seems to me is that president biden on this issue is a slow learner. and he is learning. and i think that the issue is you point out the pressures inside the democratic party, the threat to his re election of probable any or possibilities that will be the

determining factors that will turn him toward the switching on the red light. and that, by the way, is a metaphor that is used for illinois. the end of almost every one of those rules wars, if you look at the scholarly literature on how these wars and dr. bart cody, i'd love to get from you the temperature inside palestine. the west bank, the ruling coalition. there you have for years basically miraculously kept your independence politically from the various factions. but you comment on them. we recently saw on march 15th spot to issuing a condemnation upon us for being responsible, essentially for the destruction of gaza, as opposed to looking at israel for the destruction of gaza. what's going on among the factions and what prospect is there for any sort of consensus? on really the future of palestinian governance in this after this equation is in dealing with things now and tomorrow. i know that you say we can't just talk about

tomorrow. people are dying today. i get that. but i just want to know, as you look at the equation is coming together, are you seeing players actually creating an impossibility of a consensus coming together? that's a great question. and actually it's a list of the united states as well. but uh, let me explain. uh, we just had a very good meeting in moscow when i my sense or sort of the tense time the did between horizon center and the rest of the community to which everybody agreed about. on the 14th, i understand you're going to come forces. we have a very good community here which said that the only 5 cars have to induct the l. o . and we have a unified understanding and do that. should there maintain into that i to the police thing and people to present themselves and the goes to the end of the, or the humanitarian assistance preventing any kinds of expands. you know that the student population and the ethnic cleansing and the canning about this of the month

. so now we agreed to continue the meetings to proceed. unfortunately, the president went on on the appointed the prime minister without any consultation with any of the listing and put it to kind of groups which created a new list. the statement to mentioned by 5 to which uh, in my opinion was the appropriate uh, was negated by some of the members of the sentiment comment to accept that we were told did they called us and told us that this communicate does nothing. it is it completely and that the many members of the sent that have come into effect that which is the highest oregon there do not agree with it. and that leads me to the issue of the united states because you see the united states is pressure to include what they call the 4 megs dependents. daniel, $32.00, and by the revitalization of the policy men also did the on. by that, they mean only the security ties independence to handle to, to do making

a model for security, destruct shrugs, etc. is it is interest. and that lives behind the statement of mr. by didn't. when he said president by didn't, when he said that, i need to understand what sort of doing government has to be acceptable to is it or he wasn't say, that's any government and is ready to be acceptable. so by the stands of course. so the american approach to do, you might solution is only about security. and that's the question. why in every other country, whether you talk about said it'd be, uh you agree and russian of china or any other country. the united states speaks about democracy, about democratic elections, that item of the people to choose democratic glance. really their lead does accept and punish time. they are open using our election or posing the democratic reform, which would make the policy number 30, the acceptable by the palestinian people before it is accepted by is 0. and that's the, the issue we are talking about here. what we want is a national consensus, a government accepted by everybody that is entered in so that it wasn't prepared

for the city of democratic elections, which allows us to use the tools that really does freely and democratic like of the countries. that's what we need. the democratic structure, that's what it presents, the police didn't young people on that aspiration. but is there any other men to against democracy? united states unfortunately was against our right. so we're having for the democratic elections. and that's where we see. i'm not going to get the aspect of the americans told us what an interesting inflection point that would be dr. last thing i'm gonna give you the last word. but in this, i also want to ask you, you said something has been hanging in my mind during the show, which is you talked about the israel palestine, you know, a piece industry if you will get the, you know, these last is in the yeah, the piece process industry, i've always been interested in what would finally put that piece, process industry out of business and, and get to us and a new week librium along the lines of what we saw for just talked about. but as you

give us the last word, i'd love to hear what you, what you think is needed for that industry process instead of the solution. yeah, by the instead of the solution in that industry is focused on the idea of a negotiated settlement between 2 sides and this, there's this, the west banking guys are outside of his real. but israel has already of your really treated the west bank and gaza as part of the country. and that's why it's important. remember, the president biden's official policy is that the united states is committed to any to the palestinians. and as well as having equal rights to equality, disney, democracy, and security. and that if the 2 state solution can be achieved through negotiations, which it cannot be, we have to return to the theme of the quality, enter the gradual democratization of the one state that exists between the river and the sea. and that is a project that the piece process, the industry doesn't really can't, can't make money out of,

they can't make money out of the idea that if we don't uh, have negotiation soon, it'll be too late. it'll be too late. it'll be too late, which they've been saying from 40 years. right? well we have to do see is, is a long struggle over democracy. united states has to reorient itself in that way. seeing this is a domestic issue. and, and that will be good for palestinians because they can get equal rights and sumo right. and be able to stay in the country while regrettably, i need to leave it there. i have a half hour more with both of you. a great conversation professor, i enlisted professor of middle eastern politics at the university of pennsylvania and my friend doctor, we stop of our duty founder of the palestinian national initiative. thank you so much for being with us today. my pleasure. thanks bankers to so what's the bottom line? whenever of a topic of palestinians and israelis comes up, american officials love to say, oh well, we can't want peace more than they do. oh,

really? i for one don't buy this cliche. there are serious reasons why palestine and israel may never come to terms with each other in a stable, in and eventually a peaceful way. but that's exactly why 3rd parties are essential to buffer between them to act when there are injustices, the victims on either side. one of those key parties is the united states, whether it likes it or not. the us needs to demand peace more than is real and how mazda once i have peace, it has to demand justice and showed the genuine concern for both sides of the conflict. and because that's not happening, the war machine just goes on. that's why there's no peace in the middle east, and that's the bottom line, the the b and here was the lab, the needs and in everybody's office will still be married at 16 mostly could not

even imagine being arrested. but to decide that that's what a grand daughter would not face the same restrictions 3 years ago when sonya was 15 . what do you convinced on a card off your home to take in a mighty what difficulties getting a job and they thought i'm gonna have him give me the laugh when he's in the diesel . well, in the deep i well my, i pretty put the with the video, the here's from, i'll just on the go in the tonight out is there is only mobile app. is that the, this is where we dissect from out is there is a mobile app available in your favorites apps to just set for it and type to move the new app from out to 0 new at using. is it the unique

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