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hello welcome to the program on the clock. so new legislation pos in florida will bought little children aged on the 14 from social media. well on the sixteen's will need the parents approval. republican governor of rome, defensive peasant, not to the law or a federal judge in another state, struck down and made concerns of the cubs on freedom of speech. information today has never been so freely available, transforming what we can find out at our fingertips. and it's now in our pockets to with smartphones and also in the hands of children. social media is now part of everyday life. somebody studies show it kinda negatively affect people's mental health, particularly for the young and vulnerable and as a risk of exposure to violent and pointed graphic material to when it's not blocked by social media platforms. but opponents of restrictions say, laws like the one in florida interference by big government, an erosion of freedom of speech and a denial of educational information for children. it's a debate that's intensifying world wide, not just in the united states,

and we'll be adding to it with, i guess just a few moments. the 1st this report from maple see sure, thanks in florida, she won't like these aged on to 14, can no longer hold social media accounts and even to access them, they will need the parent's permission. the bill signed into little by the states republican governor is one of the most restrictive social media bands for minors in the united states. now with things like social media and all this. yeah, you can have a kid in the house safe, seemingly, and then you have predators that can get right in there. uh, into your own home, you could be doing everything right. but they know how to get and manipulate these different platforms. and so it's created huge problems. similar laws in other states are being challenged under the us constitution. open and say they'd restrict

rights to free speech. international research has phone, the mental health of feuds is being put at risk by the unlimited exposure to social media or meaning patterns. children's advocates, unpredictable stages say. companies are putting prophets foot. i'm not doing enough to protect children in 2021 and tell them the documents are viewed by a whistle blower at facebook. that showed the negative effects on youth with discussed in the us congress. suicide rate for 10 to 14 year old. as doubled for young girls, it has quite drupal. instagram didn't create this crisis, but from the documents provided by the whistle blower. clearly facebook's own researchers describe instagram itself as a quote perfect storm. i want to be clear that this research is not a bombshell. it's not causal research, it's in fact, you know,

i rational different with the website of this. this research is a bombshell. it is powerful gripping riveting evidence with the number of mine is using social media of rising concerns of growing the deal at the increasing risk of committing suicide eating disorders and being targeted by sexual predators and cyber believes to john. so promising to do more to make the applications safe for children. we also support setting industry standards on age appropriate content and limiting signals for advertising to teens to of age and location, and not be here. at the end of the day, we want everyone who uses our services to have safe and positive experiences. the new low and soda is being debated in other states. i'm countries and the tech industry is expected to mom pretty good challenges. because i'm sure you've,

i'll just 0 for inside strongly. so what is the why the picture be on florida? let's schedule, i guess now and added bra and of hotel is the founder of the late small faith to campaign to protect children from the dangers of smartphones and run by an india raleigh about the a is a site, but it's like college just and founder of an anti cyber being campaign. and in dublin we have no need blackwell, who is the online safety coordinator at the hers char, think childrens right salons? i greetings everybody. good. so have you with this for this important discussion? i'd like to start with you how to remember if we can, you feel so strongly about this. you set up your own organization advocating to delay giving children small phones until at least 17. why did you do that? i honestly just to clarify as to land small phones and so at least the age of 14 and social media is 16. so i set this off because i'm

a therapist myself and it sold a huge change in the kind of things that clients were coming to me for in terms of the levels of the social anxiety, particularly with go normally it came back to what they were doing was you know, spending lots of time on social media and it was clearly having a big impact on that and, and so how i have young children myself as well. and i think that would in us, can agree when we just look around now and see how much young children and teenagers are just told that phones even when that together. this is just not the kind of, well, i wanted my own children to grow. and so i realize to be has to be something in the community, the whole watching together. if i july and 150 and someone else, the knowledge disease is almost impossible to connect to the line. we can do it together, is our communities, both sides and nation, they then it can really help them and, and named a big difference because, you know, social pressure is one of the main reasons why parents are giving my kids smartphones

and social media. right. and, and kind of how popular has it become, how quickly is a great well, yeah, i think we can see that it's been a huge movement growing across the high by lot small parents becoming on. wow. now the dangers of smartphones on social media and people are realizing that we started as a gap, the parents, we actually have a lot of power. there are lots of organizations coming together as a really well homeless issue. all right, let's get into raleigh in m, buying into your cyber psychologists and those compelling evidence isn't that the rise of at smartphones in social media? thank just coincide with the collapse of a child mental health. many say that the cause of it. yes, absolutely. there's a lot by evidence by now enough research that is showing that all the time spent on the screen is in fact seeing how we are be failing all. we are making decisions.

overall, lifestar, not just emotional inventions, even the physical health is something of cause i young char is not here to get back, and i want to use an animal and do that. i'm getting the smartphones and they've been with social media accounts also on that. your lifetime being a car, m c with the diesel image and not educating the child on the roads. they said he does a driving lessons, the provider just off the wait score. so it says both ways and this actually comes down to me. so that's kind of the, you know, problems it will come without education. so definitely, i am very much in agreement or complete bourbon during the band to make. we would much have you're not of choice for, you know, ahead of me because i do patient most also online, but now it is dying, but we can go back, you know, be, will getting back kind of when you read why does a very, very young child which is under age of 14,

require an access to social media. so that's the question by the way that owns with picking up. oh no, i don't what i'm the one that has been. okay. i mean, we'll come to what you think of the band itself in a moment, but 1st is the next button. children's online safety, it's right to say that the, the graph line know lean for suicides for depression, for anxiety and children sold. just when social media has caught should, if you will, all children's attention. yes. and so new on down. so data all around the world, people are so worried about this and it has to be and part of the problems start to me has to be that the children's access to and social media such as he is right now . basically though i, we come out of a certain, a slightly different way and the children's right, the lines and actually to out your coming answers in

a slightly different way as well. rather than banning or or saying it doesn't exist rather than restricting children's rights to the good things about social media, friendship learning, all of the things we know that they come to. recognizing that the harm happens because of the product, especially is delivered to us by the social media companies. recognizing that the social media companies and many other companies on, on the internet and business digital age are making fantastic profit, enormous profit by keeping children and other environment laptops as well as more and more online. and really where we, where we would like to look and see if, why are we allowing a faulty product, which has developed over the past 20 years to continue. and finally, when we see that the full especially reading theirs and we can see them in the way it's produced, why aren't we addressing those phones or any,

are we punishing children? um no, that's not to say of course hannah was saying about restricting the type of instruments that children access that media on may be maybe a total sentence along the way. similarly, similarly not denying the abuse that happens to cyber bullying document. riley was speaking about, but in some ways it's looking at says in a different way, recognizing children do have rights, do have rights to access the best and social media, and then just liking out how do we make the product space for them. okay, i'm gonna come to the get to the 2nd to, to allow them to have the view of what you just said. but i just wanted to just put this to, you know, late instead of the recent speech and the house of lords of the us surgeon general vick matthew who was speaking the top of them in turns that if social media was a pharmaceutical drug, it would be withdrawal, we be withdrawn for safety reasons. yeah. not. would it make you think that it's

not they the companies that have the crating social media there that need to organize that needs to be government legislation. yeah, i'm, i'm to, again, that's why throughout your up, for instance, on tonight and decide but throughout your regulation is the biggest show in town right now. and there's a lot of recognition, very nation, the day that companies need to be regulated as they, we would not agree with, with the level of switch. the companies think they need to be regulated, which is very likely we would say regulation, much more regulation is needed, much more standard. a child friendly rights, frenzy legislation was undoubtedly does have to be regulated. we are not going to make this go away. we are not going to keep our children safe by binding them a promise to put tempter we just worked around around, is that they would make their own decisions around what they're looking as. and if we banners, or if we try to restrict is we really run the risk. but children score volunteer

both who are abused are the ones who are going to be afraid to reporters even more than they are right now. afraid to disclose that to the parents and their parents wouldn't be afraid that they say and where in fact it's the people who make it the way they make it. the way they make is addictive, is a big part of the problem. kinda, what's your view on the of yeah, so i say i understand what i'm saying about, you know, um, so vulnerable kids, you know that, that going to be less likely to want to cancel with stuff. we have a huge conflict of interest with the company. so we have um, they have created an extremely addictive um, you know, the children and they want to keep children on these apps for as long as they possibly time every minute long. got their own. yeah. that they can make more profit. so it's not in the interest to want to get to the site to attend. and we also have to look at one of the things that children are not doing when they're spending that lives on social media. so we'd go on and just started for

a decade from a play based childhood to a phone based childhood. and so that we can say, oh, they're not what you know, they'll get walked around. yes, that's one of the main issues we have with parental controls at the moment. parents will say assessment, parental controls, it's fine. they don't have access to it, but it is very easy for them to get around these things. so i think that a bond would be something that would be really well tens. um i think that it would help parents the law and it would make it a lot easier. um what children are being exposed to is, you know, absolutely horrific. i think that one thing we have to remember is that, that we have the same, same same social media platform. we have very different experiences depending on all right. so what you know, i might see on facebook compared to a 10 year old job would be very, very different experience. and so we're looking at 3, well, i know i the best we all actually looking at watch children to sing on these. that sort of comes to the monitoring not every single day,

which very parent and have the bandwidth full about. and it's very complex to be able to assess all those parental controls. and then yeah, no, i don't think that about is there any way to go here and there are a, what about it, india, what efforts being made, there are any of us to, to get the tech companies to get that back together. it was absolutely um, government needs, you know, so many doctors the recommendations coming up with, you know, specific policy effective johns have to have to file. however, it just must be, you know, we have a wedding buddy. young nation, meaning we have a large young population returns using this for our red screen. they all sound good ones getting sucked into this one. and you're not bringing is ready to change it to read instruction. we believe in a lot of the week and interaction and that's not the effect that you'll see across the section. yes, i don't mean for me as far as social, but eventually i actually think, i know you might go in

a variety and regression as being on maxim guys and my son. i the whole study living back in all the my visuals like mind activates is. so i'm still waiting much available 2nd, there's many weeks away from the band that has to be collect, but it's not only using audit, not only the content, the bad explicitly, but it's also a brand new risk inside also in for me doing that children because it is a monetizing backbone. we have so many young demons who have been, you know, english by their bed is a lot of lost their child becoming associated. we just started. we are the only one we at the stage. we yes, it's a good city as well. it does not appear to be here difficult, much damina, selective measured and backups via i mostly able to that you put the bones from next w o box and we have to follow to see if we can do more work here. when we are looking at, we're going to have been already or with the, you know, pop, jeez,

i'm going to go to the bank some of them, but then there's a back door and the children australia over there and different segments of people left when they were doing it, i think it collectively, we go ahead, we had to take the reading to, to jury on mation when we need to show the emotionally mentally, physically, natalie, population and this x, the age of the writing is you need those measure its way, go a long way, i'm on, let's see. we also have identified the actual need to put on the whole thing besides education right now, why they do require so should mean. if we have one more reason we can start, continue doing the band to make this was the way off, interacting socializing via connections h was important along the patient, but we don't get that. okay, no, no. do you want to come back to you and do your points about, you know, putting the emphasis onto the, the emphasis on to the tech companies to do something about this? and because as how does just said the fact is that there is no one in that interest

to do anything. so that's why legislation is in the only. so that's why the buying is needed. if we did look as profit you're talking about here, we are talking about some projects have developed over the past 20 or 30 years, where we really have allowed companies to grow in jamaica corporations with huge profit on with almost no supervision or product that we're doing it over simply those companies are going to post their commercial interest 1st. this is true of a whole lot of other areas. that's true of cars. it's true of financial products and, and over time, all of these have had to be regulated. they have had to, they have been obliged to take the public interest into account to take the right of children into account and to take the rights not to harm people into account. they will not doors of their own accord or they won't do it sufficient to have

their own accord. basically it's where our leaders cannot let them off the hook by saying we will stop people using the projects and we push what was the responsibility on the users and where their young users on their parents. we have to, under our legislatures around the world, have to take on these and norma's commercial interest and say you could do it much better. if the simplest pains you should not be able to also scroll forever at that should not be possible on, on a social media kind of it is that could be fixed in a moment, but it does not make commercial sense. so somebody has to tell the beef companies to make their product space. they are currently selling on site products and only regulation will start their jobs. yes, there's a lot to be 9 immediate electricity. there's a loss we can do about trying to form better habits for our people and our children

. but ultimately, if they are not, if they are not sanctioned, if they are not stopped at the level of legislation and regulation, not the only way the children find their way around is the big commercial companies will also find ways around for several reasons. and they will not be stopped from doing the harm that currently we see right at honda. if this is put onto the social media companies, what is it that they need to do? so the social media companies, they need to have use external age verification. i. i think it should be on the 16th to social media and sorry, but they have to prove that res, before they are able to use it on that if they, if chosen all found to be using isn't that no time be signed and seed? so i think that this is definitely possible and i think the where me off if there's been many studies of austin older children say, you know, would you besides, there was no social media and throughout all of these studies chosen instead of

yeah. as long as no one else how they are the so they just don't, there's the social pressure why children don't want to be left out. they realize this is something that's not publish it for them. they realize that they're missing out on and we have not assess generation of children who are given social media the full they hit high school. and we now know to every day young to night were given a small sign by that happens to was that nozzle houses today. so we have this connected action problem. i think that we need absolutely recognizing a big tax, but we also need government legislation. we also need to come that says minds that shift of parents and of society at large. i think that's why i'm excited instance. it's delay small funds and so at least the age of 14 use an alternative device. there's so many great alternatives that can do everything that we want to be able to do to be able to connect to the kids and say at least as much as possible and not fast instance, right? i, this is the question to all of you ready?

but 1st, we'll start with the raleigh, very those who would say, precious few parents, i would think that they're all very easy would say at the band is just the nanny state speaking neurology. what do you think about that? so you know, out of recent, i mean just now hand, i also mention that it is, it has to be a collector. yes, we do in stock with the bank or if there is a way where we can really all these all tag jaya, and that's to make sure that the online debt incent. because right now we have to see, yes they, they can change that on. got it, then they can change what they want. they want me to build and then only i'm missing on your mentors and then well, if let me stop, i went to bug kings went for a while and collectively he only does get over there to make sure that uh on a bus on a line to safety measures that require i have a, prefer

a come back to you and i mean, i just want to ask you this. a parents have a responsibility to day because should say, you know, we themselves of staring at their phones the whole time and looking at instagram facebook, which is set here. pretty bad example for the children. a really? yeah, i think healthy side habits is something that, you know, we will need to be more in fashion with that for sure. i think the difference is that when we go smart phones off on to life is pretty full and we have the maturity to be able to deal with them. we still find them super addicted. so if you give them a very young children, it's just on a single know, how does that guy thought, $20.00 industry the attention economy? is a natalie? is it not for parents? not for national lords, for parents to legislate in the home. so for parents, when most parents tried to do their best all the time anyway, but we have to accept that parents don't come in as or to one shape or form anymore

than children do. and we have to accept that some parents and don't know enough to tempt and will be able to do it or their parents will be absent. and children will hide from their parents, parent and some parents have enough to do to manage their own day in their own time . you know, i'm barely cold. so there's a wide range of parenting available and find parenting to control. parental has some parental conversations. all of these are things that we need to work on to help people have better conversations within their own families about their own type of program, a habits of their children. but none the less we cannot make parents bear the responsibility or the shame or the feeling that they're in that occurs because they're not able to manage the controls properly. and it is yes,

we can taking the focus of the person producing the product, pushing the product onto our table. i'm saying parents, you have to make sure the child doesn't consume task at best addictive product across. it's the way. so no, it's part of a solution. that we all know more about is it that there's pressure literacy, but this isn't an answer to stopping children from home, nor should parents be tasked with that responsibility. okay, and they're only a question of the future. is there any days of autumn? is that rule finding all way? i face parent and child and trying to figure out how to deal with a slightly terrifying well and social well, the social media that we find ourselves in the raleigh. if we spin forward as a 10? yes. do you think things will be in place that things will be very different then that when they've figured it out and what taught, how to deal with us and, and to take on the mites and the financial minds of the,

the big tech companies who have is evil said, this responsibility of i want to be ready often much. they can hopefully and hence the talking the over here today we arrange students about the renewal for this one shows now that he was down the line if he wants to go hand him generation. as with all of the big ones, right, we have to make sure that we are nice with the right thing change in terms of explosion in terms of safety. all of this. so not with education, when mass smaller, do you remember bad? what's the phone plus on the instant for which we use it makes it go back to florida, but we need education on know read notes on what on the previous slide. if we online was, if we have a lot, but i do know, show me if we have good control of medications in place, and i think we can have a great future ahead. what's the decided wireless technology and make it? absolutely. uh no, i do use it without any home. how that so that's

a question we can go over. what are you guys there on the sides this way, wrapping up the program. now it's a honda just want to throw that question to you as a how do you feel about the future it's, it's a very difficult time right now for everybody. ready what do you think is going to be happening in the next 5 to 10 years? a? yes, so we're going to see huge changes with the eye and thoughts are we honestly, i'm not exactly why we have to get a grip on this now to protect children. i think but the tech companies are not, scott has not done what we need to be the ones to put regulation for them to regulate themselves. we need to know what we need parents and schools to all come together on on this all right, great discussion. so much more to be said, but we've run out of time. thanks so much. i had a hotel there on the back to you and it nearly like well, thanks very much. the thank you and thanks for watching. difficult as you can catch up with the program at any time by visiting our website. i'll just share a dot com and for further discussion, just go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash

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