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state prime minister pedro sanchez, this at the forefront calling for israel 2 respects international humanitarian law . what i can tell you is that the situation will be gladly slowed acceptable and an immediate cease firing godsa. there's an urgency to stop this terrible war and to open a new phase of sleep. peace precipitating the region. the spanish prime minister talks to l. g 0. the sharpest criticism, yes. of israel's actions in gaza with even the us joining the global course of condemnation of to more than $33000.00 policy invest israel's killing of 7 international aid workers, triggered the west most curious response to dates. so how is events this week effect to israel's international stand? this is inside school, the
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hello there on change space for palestinians in gauze, there's not be much change and yet another week, and israel's will, more attacks and destruction, more data and in should more danger of starvation, fireman, and disease. israel, however, this week has been a spectacular disaster. a drone attack on 3 separate vehicles coming international 8 volunteers is enraged israel's allies, including the us elsewhere. israel space get more exemptions of war crimes with more countries joining south africa's genocide case that the international court of justice moved warnings to for its weapons supplies that they may be assisting, genocide, and on top of the street, small protest amounting prime minister benjamin netanyahu. step down, the list goes on well for decades as well as relied on the support of the us, the u. k. a most of the you to, um, funded, committed to do is it pleases this week a signal to dramatic shift, at least in tone. so what does this mean and to what degree is rubbing damage this
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week, but certain action, so i'll be discussing, oldest with, i'll guess in a moment. but 1st this report from whom i call some sharif. the images like these have put is well under pressure from much less than allies, the killing, but is rarely drone of 7. will central kitchen internationally aid work as has prop the strongest criticism sofa since is well began, its will on call. so 3 successive attacks on the convoys left no survivors. even israel's main on supply of financial backer and protect to the united nations joined its critics. us preston, joe biden wants to see concrete steps to prevent civilian debts. and to bu stayed from us for that indicated to president vitamin. that is israel would be making further changes to his procedures to make sure that those who are providing assistance to people who so desperately need it and gaza are protected. so we're
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going to be looking very carefully what those steps are, how it achieves better. deacon function, better coordination. so that aid workers are protected. the user friendly military has admitted it to be a workers describing it as a mistake. allies and citizens were among the victims of demanding ounces. is copy brushed aside. people have been rising consensual sometime about the what is occurring in relation to humanitarian was, is, this has been a deadly failure of the confection women. so that's far, poland, and other countries that last citizen things to attack and expect a transparent investigation. in my opinion, as a lawyer, i called him at a place from the one says nearly 208 workers have been killed in is rez. roland cars for israel has never apologize. no accepted responsibility for the steps. the
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un secretary general says they were a direct consequence of his riley tactics. and the central problem is not only made the mistakes, it is the military strategy and procedures in place that the allow for those mistakes to multiply by him and by the gate. fixing those failures required is even dependency investigations and meaningful and measurable changes on the go. also have to have a phone call between biden and is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu is well said it would open the air as land crossing the northern gauze to allow we need in the past 6 months, the rustle and cut them up. we'll sell them crossings. have been open, little bit supplies, disrupted, or halted by is rarely checks and delays. european foreign policy chief, joseph beretta, has accused as well of provoking firm and in gaza and says, opening the new crossings won't be enough to prevent starvation. we continue down
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this path of all parties to conflict flagrantly between the rules of war and international humanitarian law. 0 accountability, powerful nations refusing to use the leverage of influence at their disposal. the next set of mass deaths of children and gaza will not be from bullets and bombs. it will be from starvation and mel nutrition for months is rel headspace mounting closer pressure over the 10s of thousands of civilians that skewed oh, in judd, i'm maimed and gaza. now, these goals can be heard in the condos of power around was that some countries calling for i'm seems to is well to be stopped. me cause some should have i'll just see the inside story. well, let's discuss all of this now with today's guess. joining us by skype from ramallah is political analysts. no, they give you an levy is
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a columnist full heretic newspaper. he joins us from tel aviv and joining us from london. this chris doyle, who's director of the council for our, the british understanding. thank you all for joining us. the question today is whether we're seeing the 6 month mark may be a little bit of a turning point. the most important and dramatic and shocking development. both side attack on the aid workers from the world. central kitchen, hunted down from one vehicle to a 2nd. then the 3rd by a drone using precision weapons. no, i mean this was a shocking attack. shocking may be though, because we know all the details on that being so many other attacks attacks every single day when we don't get to know the details. absolutely, i mean this was a, an attack that brought into sharp focus. a password is really behavior that we see not just in the past 6 months, but really for many, many years. but certainly the highest number of un aid workers killed in the
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organizations. history happened over the past 6 months in gaza with 0 accountability. this time it was far more difficult for israel to kind of wiggle its way out of responsibility from this attack. it is unfortunate, of course, that killing international aid workers was the um, the reason why the world was suddenly outraged as this, the 10s of thousands of palestinians of aid workers of doctors without borders. and so many other organizations didn't matter, didn't count gideon. i mean, not unusually speedy investigation by these riley military. in fact, tell me any other investigation that we've had during 6 months of all they've dismissed a kind of letting the major 3 of the come on does, including a general, formally reprimanded and the drone unit responsible has been suspended. yeah, i'm surprised, surprised when the wakes up. it has to respond. but even though i have to tell
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you, i would expect extra the investigation was bringing people to adjust this. not only dismissed them, no, the only file that was all the respect reading was life of 7, you know, said being put which way i was thinking deliberately. don't that. what about this? so where yes is right, needs pressure. and that's the only conclusion of this horrible tragedy is that it needs international pressure. you know, the whole thing has to be small, but the cease fire and the 4, but everything this was vague. it does a sub by the source, i hope to speak of all the rest. but the bundle this way. here's what i used to be even watching much was from dish there on the 6th of october in any aspect. so what one and if you look chris at the,
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the desk told now the 6 month month mark, it stands around $33000.00. we know that's and on the account because we know there are many bodies under the rubble that haven't been identified. 2 sides of that though, believe to be women and children. so wherever the inquire is into at least 20000 innocent palestinians, this says quite extraordinary subjects of these international laws. the front page headlines across europe in the united states and politicians who said pretty much, nothing critical of israel off till now. getting very angry and what talk about it because we've seen israel not a kill that huge number of bottles. stay in the study. 3016000 children, but they palmed every aspect to civilian infrastructure, whether its hospitals, medical center schools, universe dues, libraries. bakeries, watch what they have called her eyes gauze, and they estimates all that this will cost $18.00 and i'll put in dollars to
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rebuild. but no outrage, we started off with massive support for as well then slowly and uncomfortable silence. i'm. we're now getting to the situation of baby steps of considering measures against as ro, nothing more that. but we do see a discussion that is that they want to do is you should that be, for example, a fine on the sale of arms. this has been something that's been very live, certainly in britain and in other countries where it's no longer off the table. there's something that is that, but only now we have been now several months since the international court of justice determined, though a plausible grounds. genocide was happening and we still haven't got to an arms and bulk was still selling weapons with one hand and giving food with the other. so yes, i agree with the good and maybe we need a lot more pressure and fast. and we need an end to this will folks stop,
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it's going on far too long and nobody's going to be the winner out of order this. know you had mentioned that from chris of the international court of justice twice, they've come up with provisional measures. it took a very, very long time, but the un security council has them onto the c spa, perhaps one thing that when's a little unnoticed and everything else that has been going on. most of the, the human rights of council, the un that's adopted, a resolution calling for israel to be held accountable for possible war crimes and crimes against humanity that vote was 284, and 6 against with 13 extensions with notes in the us and germany were among those against but international opinion is now it's taking a long time, but it is really tough to use it not i think so. yes. and, and dreams. i think it's important also to kind of not give these governments a lot of credit. they are changing their tone,
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and maybe some of them are changing or considering a change in policy, very reluctantly, and it's happening because of domestic pressure. there's a lot of pressure on the streets in london and in paris and in germany and in the united states, telling their governments that this is not a policy that people that voters constituents can live with. and i think that is what is pushing that change in tone. certainly in the united states, we don't see a shift in policy. we don't see the white and white house saying we want the war to stop. they want israel to do better to conduct this war. in a, in a more efficient, more humane way if, if that is even a possible scenario. but the point is, was not that pressure. we would have seen a continuation of where we were at the beginning of this genocide, a more absolute complicity, cheering on the as rarely as they pulverized universities and hospitals and schools
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without any concern or regard for palestinian lives. that is changing, but it's not changing because they, the governments have had a change of heart to get in as, as no said. and we've getting pressure from all sorts of courses. we know that prime minister netanyahu doesn't really care about the us and he hasn't picked up the phone to the un secretary general. one point during the last 6 months. he probably has a bit well your opinions think, but as know says it's the us really, that is the key play. i think you'd agree with. now we've had a cool from a president biden to present nothing. yahoo with us, he minute cool, which was described as extremely tens. and the us this morning that it's approach to gauze is going to change unless israel change is very specific things. how important do you think this coal was the school? it was a very typical example to was sure to be there and what the code is being enforced
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and that's above everywhere ask why do you use that open? don't say, such as intrigue as old. you know, i can ask the just why did you the mind is only know, then why did you did you did mind they don't. and now in this really tough way, the month 67 leslie is the united states. so we really want for this war and i think it's without the best phone because the americans, we photo, they're called dimensions. and the frontier advisor was made the measure. and the search see which i have to say, i have a lot of the appreciation to these when he turned a truck so full then maybe saying i really find it. but they're really saying that this, what does it needs? the only thing they need are they also need just some portions of price, you know,
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the to continue before the year or another year. i mean their life is turning into really nothing in the world, any book picture in the us. so you really think there's one more truck trucks you'd really stage of life's, they use the ending to know and they'll get to get another legs resides. chris, let me ask you about some of the specific things the, the us is demanding of israel. we've heard gideon talk about some of them that one of them is on aid workers. they want new procedures to protect aid. well, cuz i want to seems that means revise the rules of engagement because some suspect that there's been a pretty indiscriminate, if in doubt shoot to kill policy in place, would you let me give them the, the desktop? there's not many, many of the conclusions you can come to, can you a well we seeing reports in these riley major of interviews with soldiers where
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they basically have admitted that local commanders have that ability to shoot to kill if they see a young man and fighting age, the assumption is that his anatomy and should be taken out, and that is why we have seen such terrific haughton, high numbers of fatalities. so look, i mean, that's no good talking about the confliction mechanisms and thinking this is some solution because to distributed aid in the gulf strip right now is almost impossible. you're talking about a situation where you're still being boned, where the roads are almost impossible or as well my scales on the streets. of course, people are stopping, i mean, 1100000 people that stop ation levels. so any time a trunk correct? for course they attract huge crowds. this is not the way to be able to save these people. you need an end of conflict and get in libya's absolutely right. so with tinkering at the edges here. but i think one thing that has been shown we've had is
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really spokesman lecturing us that is known as well. that is stopping going into cause. there's not as well as how much this vote. and yet, what we have seen is the israel is able and willing to open those called crossings if it is, has pressure placed on it. in other words, it could have allowed aiden to gauze, and it hasn't been doing so. and is extraordinary. the politicians are talking about this now because it's ro was very clear, right from the outset. on the 9th of october, it employed a total siege to 9 pound a series of buildings and goes aboard to food medicines and the like. it was very clear, it's politicians, it's leaders have been very clear. and yet somehow we didn't want to believe them. we don't, didn't want to believe that they were trying to deliver a 2nd neck, but that old palestinians and garza were not innocent. that they would eliminate everything as these really defensive is to say that in october. so now it's
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a weight comp cool to the international community. all you're going to take measures, are you going to stop this house? or are you going to be held up to be complicit in the is to come know off of a bite and ness and yahoo cole. the us extra state on to the blinking says that israel will be tested on the results of its actions. he says there are specific metrics in place says one of them is an indicator that simon is receding. well, it's going the other way at the moment. the un says, as of the 1st of april 28, children have died of malnutrition in d hydration. but of course, the north of garza is almost inaccessible in terms of access by humanitarian workers and in terms of communication. so the fitness could be much why it couldn't back. absolutely, absolutely. and i think again, what the americans are doing now. i mean, it seems like a big deal because they've been complicit in this war since the beginning. so if they, it seems like a big deal when they're kind of telling the israelis that they need to take other
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kinds of measure they need to allow more trucks. but i, i think this can only happen an accelerate if the americans feel more pressure from their allies in europe and beyond. just like israel needs the americans to pressure them until late. it's for, you know, the, the, the ground rules for how this will continue or, and the americans also need to hear from their allies from your, from nato allies, telling them enough is enough. we cannot tolerate what is happening. we cannot be complicit in it. we have serious legal concerns and i think we're beginning to see that we see actions being taken in, in, in courts, in, in europe. we see ireland for example, taking more and more steps towards accountability towards divestment. we see up 600 lawyers and judges in the u. k. selling their government that they must stop the
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arms trade with israel because this puts everybody and makes everybody liable for complicity and civil servants, their signaling that they might stop working in relation to arms straight. so the more washington feels pressure from its friends that it's policy on israel is becoming a liability. the more likely i think that we're gonna see a movement in the right direction for most of them, because right now they just want it better management of things better optics. but nobody's talking and good. the gideon picking up that that line about justice and international justice. when you look at the new measures that you were talking about about when to guy which is wrote, says it's going to introduce no sign that they've done any of them yet. but the reopening of the error is crossing in the north of gaza and i put this was this mentioned in these right statement, the temporary use of the poor to bash dog that's about 35 kilometers from gaza, about 30 minutes drive to bring in aid. these are things that israel and prime
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minister netanyahu quotable woodard at any single point over the last 6 months. is it in your view? a crime that he did not owe is getting the by the media. so the clear vision is a lot of it storms you had so many expressions by so many senior minutes. this including biggest of the 1st naming to the people cas option stock shows a steve the punishment of it is the impression from us. that's the strategy. and by definition called the game in the initial no, those are very serious nations of a finish and no, but hey, what's new? i mean, when be these other funny things initial know, there's really one sidney moving in the us, 56 the use is or did not probably think the national interest bank,
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any guys chris, the other thing that the, the us is demanding and nothing yahoo is that he gives is negotiate his bro, to authority for the negotiations on the deal on the see spot talks, we understand all guessing underway in the coming hours in colorado involving egypt cut off the us and israel, the you see renewed hope there or not really. i mean netanyahu. how do we prove this? how much leeway he's given the negotiators? ultimately, i think nets and yahoo are set for very long time, and i think he's gonna stick with it. he wants to go into a rough right. he wants to carry out that ground invasion and in his own words, finish off and eliminate destroy. i'm us and i think he's quite determined to do that. to carry that out. no matter what the cost saw to israel is reputation, or indeed of course, what will happen to the $1000000.00 in the hall palestinians who have crammed into and into rafa. it's quite extraordinary. now the united states has to do
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a lot more than say to mentioned yahoo that he has to change the, the re meant for the negotiators. it has to get serious. i think also just like to bring his back to europe. i think of europe can actually come together with a more united position than it is. and i to the mess and yahoo will have to take seriously up to now hasn't to because it's been divided, but a show, a strength from europe. it is all through as well as largest trading partner. it is right next door that will have an impact. yes. not as much as the united states, but it shouldn't be underestimated. no, i'm on that point. i spoke a few days ago for our talk to out, is there a program with federal sanchez, the spanish prime minister. he's written to the or a ping commission, so you may need to re examine that whole relationship with his route. and there's lots of talk about as involved as. but as chris said, it's the us in terms of the weapons, the defense industry really matches. how important do you think this latter is alexa from studies?
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7, members of congress saying, saying that israel should not get any more weapons right now from the us. i think it's quite important then, especially when you look at who signed that letter when you know that someone like nancy pelosi, who just a few weeks ago accused pro palestine an anti war protesters of working for russian for china. and for, you know, had all sorts of unfounded crazy allegations to, to lash out at them. but there is a shift and it's becoming untenable for american politicians, especially the, in the democratic party to kind of keep having israel no matter what is in light of all of those policies. but i want to come back to europe. i agree that it's important for europe to show a united fund. i don't think that it's entirely possible because germany has shown that it is not really willing to budget. wants to be complicit all the way. it's
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going to face charges at the international court of justice in 2 days for a complicity in genocide because it's so intransigent in its position. but the americans can't also tolerate being the last country standing in complicity with genocide. so the more the europeans pressure, the more the european countries tell their american allies, we can't do this anymore. this is an untenable policy that cannot be defended. i think the more you'll see a willingness in the white house that is also facing domestic problems and, and grin prospects and in elections, to move and pressure israel to end this war to stop the killing. because it, quite frankly, it, it's, it's a, it's a very difficult sell for, for anybody right now to say that what is happening is justifiable. gideon, how much of a problem all the recent developments of the last couple of days for prime minister
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netanyahu. because remember, he has promised these riley people that will be a total victory. he said that a rough are offensive. we'll go ahead. what type of the us as a now he's got these new to moms from the us. yes, he's got his right way. members of these calculations so he must fulfill those promises. how much of a dilemma was in it? is the name of it that won't exist, or it's about dates. because by the end of the day, he depends on the process in his quotation. and as long as he has his maturity, even though the americans, they will be in skin, say whatever the say find the d e can whole know if there is a majority in the bottom it through the test. now the biggest enemy of bringing these terrible government employees are the boss because of the course we show the video using isn't always ford f because we use it. so he's
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focus most of that. it probably means that such as forms being they don't understand that speaking together. it's is the, the only alternate and therefore they don't be surprised if you will be able to do, you know, even though, domestically and internationally. they have most people really sweet on your elections square in front of you government. but it's literally just a sporting. this policy is what i don't expect too much from that. the entity. okay . no, i'd like the last question to you, and it's a somewhat difficult question to ask of to 6 months and about 33000 probably many more deaths. but all you, a tool is the policy and you know, on the panel today a tool hopeful given where we sit now, you know, james, it's so difficult to find hope. these days this has been
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a soul crushing 6 months where much of the faith in humanity has been lost for palestinians. but i don't think that palestinians have a choice, but to search for that hope. because, you know, we cannot, i think, believe that were destined for all of these atrocities. this is not a destiny. anybody can accept and a lot of solace if not whole, is found in the global solidarity movement that is growing and becoming louder. and one has to believe that it will lead somewhere that it will bring about an end to the slaughter and maybe even bring us closer to justice. thanks very much and thanks to all guess today know they get in lovey, i'm chris doyle. we have teams on the ground and gaza covering all the developments . and you can find detailed articles and analysis to on our website out. is there a dot com? if you have comments on today's program, we want to hear from you go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com,
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