it might find distressing surgeons, it well could keep medical clinic number one, they've recently carried out 5 multi organ transplants. that would have been on thinkable a few years ago. but 2 things have changed. and ukraine, which have jump started organ transplants here because it's been in the 1st a new little from 2019 to establish the legal framework for them. and the 2nd will it many, many people who previously would have had the procedures in russia or bella roost. now by post though, countries didn't have that option anymore. the cranes transplant sector had to expand a boom boom, out necessity in just the 1st 3 months of this year. there's been more than 130 a wooden trunk xbox phone, the 19 different american institutions across ukraine. so when you think that about 5 years ago, the number was close to 0, that's a big change. below them is one of the latest ukrainians to benefit. it's a key,

so we didn't have such oppertunity as before. it is very different now under you when i've had heart problems and 2011, i was just most come across to the hospital now i'm getting grilled treatment. he had his trunk spun a week ago. soon he should be back home with his wife and his new hall. the more people are waiting an estimated 5000 ukrainians and you really need a transplant. it's a major challenge for public health sector that's only recently begun to provide to the adult and a totally yvonne york head of the cardiovascular department here remains. boy, in the we've got good feedback from patients. they see that transplants all possible that may be in ukraine. it's not necessary to go elsewhere for this that the results of good and patients survive. this fledgling sick to know real patients a successful. but you've got a still hopeful you've come a long way from assume

a region staying in a rented room in the capital, waiting for the coast. we have a trust because i don't have a choices. right. it's scary, of course, that fear is ms. tara pope. the fear of hoping that everything will work out of to oh, he's good enough and a lot of medicines keep his health going to his to at least that to is now possible . john, home and i'll just data. keith up front is next time rob madison. stay with us on audra 0 back in the o g 0. it brings you in depth analysis for the so comply take. now what has been exposed to many of those companies that failed so miserably on that day. they said residency fail us selling and testing with anything down. so as we speak these very

speak, here's the every one's know we're getting each don't finish. and the fact that each route is at the international court of justice shows how much deeper than nothing you on this goes nothing, you know whose success and may be better, maybe was, but it's the one has to address that systemic problem. stay with us for the latest developments on out. just sarah as the world march press freedom day. when we delving into 2 of the key stories affecting journalism today, later in the show will be speaking to a lawyer who has defended whistle blowers, edward snowden, and thomas drake. when he, in fact the julian assizes, expedition could have one press freedom worldwide. with 1st the as it is the most dangerous place on the planet to be a journalist within $100.00 have been killed by israel's since october. second. busy how are those on the ground continuing their reporting and our journalists in the west doing enough to shine on life on the pipe? the palestinian colleagues will ask one of alex's,

it was only reporters. he's been on the ground since day one. this week's headliner from gaza. he who died the painful daddy, thanks so much for joining us and upfront as the world marks press freedom day. the warren guys is in its 7th month more than $34000.00 palestinians, have been killed. this unprecedented destruction and people are in a dire need of food and water journalists like yourself as well. you're facing insurmountable odds on the ground doing this reporting during that time of war. now you're based in guys it and you've been reporting since the war began. what have you and your colleagues been facing on the ground? like everything you have been seeing on the news and everything we have been reporting is an attorney. what we have been going through and living. we lost very

dear people, we lost or houses where they have been fond. 5 days, really forces. we have been di dehydrated, we have been starving just like other people. it was hard for us to search for food report. upload the materials during telecommunication blackouts, and displaced of not having close, not having your gear, not having your like your equipment, everything on all aspects of life. we have been struggling every single day. but the most important thing and why we are here is to report and to continue talking about palestine in public students. because we believe it's very important. especially the people in news agencies rely on us. so we have, we feel like we have a lot of weight on our children's and we have to do it, but it has been very high, but we are challenging our shows. we have been challenging all the

circumstances that have been imposed on us and we continue to report over the course of the 6 or so months to what extent have things gotten worse. we see how bad is on the ground now, but how if things worston from october 7th until now every single day its escalation because it becomes worse. living all of this every single day and not even having time to process your emotions process everything you're seeing was reporting. so like now we're talking about 7 months, 7 months, we don't, we do not see our comedy 7 months. we have been not eating proper for 7 months and we have been displaced. the situation itself on gaza is, is it is already collapsed. no health system. the garbage is everywhere, sewage is everywhere, like there's this constant fear everywhere about like like feeding in

children feeding your shows, living live in like i really can put this into words, but every single day it's getting worse and every single day bear with missing a new type of tire and, and a new type of fear. and the fear of losing someone, you know, a fear of losing a colleague in fear of losing parts of your body like because for example, 2 weeks ago, one of our colleagues was targeted with is, are in the settings and his leg club and potatoes. and he has been calling to get evacuated to get his medical treatment. and he can't, he's still there without any medical treatment because we know that more than 50 percent of the hospitals in the cards are not facilitating anymore. so all of these circumstances are of these fears are chasing up, synergy in our daily life. and so i how does that,

how does it affect you as and how does that affect you as a journalist? i mean, you have the threat of these things happening and you have the reality that they already have happening to so many of your colleagues, friends, and family members, your stuff to do your job on the ground while it's happening as a native of the territory. well, how do you deal with it? how do you know when you postpone your feelings and you postpone everything your your feeling and everything you're going straight? you know, i think i lost very dear people. i lost my uncle. i left my cousin, i lost my friends, i lost my house. i lost lots, but i'm postponing all of these feelings until this is done. because now i don't have time to process my motions. i don't have time to process anything. so i just work work quick break, so i get so tired and you're not using proper fluids. so you're always having your, your, your body is very weak. so use me it. so you don't think a lot about stuff,

but i'll be thinking about is hope we can, we try to bring hope and there's a lot of resilience stories and lots of success stories, turnkey happening. and this is where i get my strength is it's affecting me. of course it is. i'm a human being, i have feelings, i have family, i have a lot, but i'm posting everything and i know i'm try my ties. i'm 100 percent traumatized . i saw people with out there, but like i saw people chatted into pieces. i saw a lot of plugs i, i saw people searching for bodies of their loved ones and not finding them. i know people who did not find their loved ones or months. there has been a lottery going to, but i need to stay strong because times financing and buy people need me and i need to tell their stories and any treat port. so that's what makes me strong, to be honest, according to the committee, to protect the journalist, the warrant, guys, it has been the deadliest period for journalist since the organization began tracking

data back in 1992. there are stories of media personnel being killed in the field while wearing best, and helmets and equipment is clearly marked with the word press across it, given what you've seen and what you've heard. do you feel that journalists are being deliberately targeted? of course, yes, and we have been constantly targeted and they know that we are, are targeted. they have very good ecology. they know who they're targeting. they know their, our faces. they have artificial intelligence. they know who they're targeting. the hands of the do was targeted in a car which just the garage was targeted on the gate of his house. a lot of our friends and colleagues had been targeting and do you know everyone things draining and this is a target like i, i maybe it's sad and funny to share this, but people right now are scared of tremendous. they're scared to invite us to their

home because they're scared that we would be a target. so like i remember going to my aunt's house on the 1st or 2nd month and she's like, and i think the, i'm sorry, don't come to my house because trying to list our target. they target to do it. and in the do a head son that he was killed in a school, they know who these treatments are. and like, especially working with as you read and being like, i'll just see it as crew has been continuous me being target. people are scared to me and i'm like, i'm not a target. i didn't do anything wrong. you can trust me. but at the same time i feel for these people they don't want to be killed because they hosted a jayden star. they hosted someone like me or any other general. so we do feel that people are, are, are acting and, and, and, and, and feel like normal people and cause and they say, god bless you, they type it, they try get to it. and it seems like there might be a double standard,

at least that's what many people are pointing to. uh, for example, if more than one, a 100 journalist had been killed in say you frame a in a period of just over 6 months with the global response and not have been different us of course, where, where we're brown, we have black hair. we're, we're not white and we don't have yellow here. but unfortunately, the target list in the cause chair has been the only source since the 1st and the 7th of october. everyone is relying on us because media is not entering. that's why i'm on the white white house in there with by then the last couple of days we were by cutting disconnected because you are talking about pressing for you to and you're talking about sorry, freedom of preston. you're talking about journalism and all of these ethics and professionalism, and you are not standing with your colleagues. think also like from where are the 8

p from where are the reuters from? where are all of these international news agencies getting their footage and for their frontiers and their images? they're getting it from us, from the journals on the ground, from the cousins from the people who i've been starving and threatening their legs to show the world what strange currently happening, all happening. but during this involves, i had 0 protection like literally 0. there's no protection for us every single day when we go out and report. we feel like that's our last day. nothing protects us. i get injured. there's no guarantee i've got medical treatment, there's no guarantee someone's gonna fluctuate. another piece of it is you all even being recognized as journalist. and there was a recent interview with cnn journalist and host christiane amanpour. and she was talking about the war in gaza. and how it's an unprecedented situation. initially

she said, quote, journalists are not on the ground in gaza that she later amended her words, acknowledging that there were guys in journalist, but no code independent of western reporters. but the feel that title, city and journalists are being dismissed or ignored in the west. i heard the interview and then like she was saying like there is no journalist on the ground and i looked at my her and my colleagues like guys, what are you doing? are you not all the grounds are re flying? like how let me know on thing like i really i wish i could ask her like how are we not on the ground? i really don't understand how would mentioning like something like this to palestinian journalist who has been living under this reporting. this like living war and reporting on it, how would be this very hard and, and like,

you should have like on the mission of paint gum ation of did a lot. but instead you mentioned you, you, you say something like this. that was like something very funny to us like and heart. pursing a truth. we'd seen a surge of young palestinian journalist taking to social media to get the word out about what's going on in, in f, as in looking at this. does that make you hopeful for the future? a lot. i'm so proud of the social media creature. i'm proud of every journalist who has been using his social media. i'm proud of everyone because for the 1st time the world got everything i'm nervous about. what's happening cause of from policy and from us. so it has been very, very, very uninviting for us to do all of this work. and i have been getting like for

example, a lot of requests from different people in the u. s. regarding the incompetence and the pro task the like and do you have to speak about this? because all of the students are listening to people from cause. so you have to listen to them and. and unfortunately, it seems as if we have lost our connection to hand. these types of connection issues are very common in guys that especially during the war, but we think are for joining us on the front. we hope to talk to her again. so the, for 5 years, julie massage, the fame, publisher, and founder of wiki weeks, has been languishing and a high security prison in the u. k. as the british courts contest an effort by the us government to extradite him to american soil, describe the face of 17 espionage at charges and a conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for publishing some $400000.00 classified

u. s. military documents relating to its involvement in wars in iraq and afghanistan, some of which exposed possible us war crimes. so what was the prosecution of julia massage mean for press freedom? joining us to help answer that question is just linda reddick. jocelyn is a national security and human rights lawyer known for her defense of prominent whistle blowers, including edward snowden and thomas drake. she now has the whistle blower and source protection program at expose facts. definitely, thanks so much for joining me on upfront. thank you so much for having me on this very important topic. absolutely. you know, supporters of julia massage often state that his only crime was journalism. 1 that he dared to reveal alleged war crimes committed by the united states military. but what kind of precedent does this set for press freedom if he is extradited and ultimately prosecuted. i think it can have a very chilling effect because it really in other

countries enforce their own secrecy laws. the way the united states is trying to enforce it's secrecy law. it would be the end of investigative journalism, particularly in the national security context. so many other journalists have reported on the exact same information that sanchez did, and he is being selectively prosecuted to make an example out. let me push back to that just for a moment because their critics of assigns are going to say, well, can you put people's lives at risk, specifically, dissidents in afghanistan, discipline, span, iraq, he published, honestly, directed classify. 1 documents, one of the lawyers for the u. s. government argued that asides went a quote, considerable way beyond a journalist gathering information and even the famed n s. a whistleblower. edward snowden noted that we can reach quote, hostility to even modest generation is a mistake. what do you make of that?

as a counter claim? i think your ration is different than reduction. i do know that they did redact documents. the what you were quoting was the us government allocation that they've made, and a number of other espionage cases. the sources have revealed classified information and put lives at risk, and i can tell you in every single one of these cases, when it came time for the us to produce a damage, us assessment of all the people whose lives you put at risk. they were unable to do so so, so then if that is the case, what's at stake for press freedom? i want you to finish that thought a sure i think this criminalizes ordinary journalistic activity. if you read in time and this would criminalize things like cultivating a source, providing in an empty and publishing classified information,

which the washington post and the guardian and the new york times, and every major newspaper around the world tubs on a routine basis. and that's why all the major media organizations in the united states have come out against this prosecution and saying what a deleterious effect it would have on journalism writ large. whether you are a journalist or not, is not the question, it would have that publishers, journalist blockers, anyone, me and you, anyone who has a document that the government deems secret, could be prosecuted under this law. i mean it really, i always said that the war on whistle blowers was a backdoor war on journalist and other words when they started going after sources like thomas drake, chelsea, manning, jeffrey sterling, daniel help reality one or a number of people who i have represented. i always said that eventually they were

going to use that to go after journalist and here we are. this is about possessing and publishing information that the government team secret. but more often than not has proved to be only embarrassing g united states or even revealed its criminal activity such as torture. warrantless by you're tapping under cover drone strikes that were later lied about. so again, this has been incredibly important shown lism that has one multiple awards, 1st launched over a decade and the amount of time that he has been in some form of confinement in addition to the 5 years at the own worst. exceeds all of the sentences served so far by other espionage app defendants. so that's, that's what the actual extradition case of the u. k. has asked the us to provide

them with certain assurances if they were to extradite julian massage, including a guarantee that he will not face the death penalty and assurance that he will be entitled to use a 1st amendment protections in a u. s. trial. in mid april, the u. s embassy in london provided some of these assurances, but with some coffee at some note where the company at that i might have. but can you explain what the assurances are and whether you believe they'll actually be upheld in the us court. and the julian size have an actual shot at a fair trial here in the united states as well. in terms of the assurances um is attorneys and his wife, stella sands. and i, a number of people have said, these are not worth the paper. they are written on, for example, among these assurances where that he would not face the death penalty. well, this is not a death eligible offense. so that's a very peculiar assurance. they also assured that he would get the same 1st

amendment protections as us citizens. again, very strange because in all of these other espionage cases, the government has done motions to preclude the mention of the worst 1st amendment. and the way the law works because there is no public interest defense. if you haven't been able to say, i did this because the public had a right to know what the government was doing in secret, or i could publish this information because the government had lied about drunk strikes or had lied about wiretapping people domestically. so again, that, you know, the government has lied about these things in the past and problem is normally you would be able to put that into evidence during trial and you would be able to talk about that stuff during trial. but in an espionage case,

you can not talk about your intent in reviewing information until the sentencing phase. in other words, after you've been found guilty, i'm say one more question around the death time or anything. it seems to me the death penalty isn't the only way that julian assizes life is under attack under a salt vulnerable. even one of the other concerns is, insurance is around the death company to be sure, but there was an explosive report that came out a few years ago. a yahoo news revealed that senior officials inside the central intelligence agency, the c i a, and the trumpet administration, allegedly discuss options on how to assassinate julian aside after he published documents related to c, i a hacking tools. so that's totally off the tables. one thing, but if you have high ranking officials talking, assassination,

how much faith you have a he'll be say, right? not much at all. in fact that, that to lose that the c i a was entertaining designs to kidnap or assassinate him. that alone would ordinarily be evidence enough for that, for this case to be dropped. it's out rages and the fact that this case is still kicking around and that they're still with a straight face trying to pursue it. is a travesty of justice. and, and julian assigned has been punished enough. i mean, his health has been really, really fragile during not only his 5 years in the old marsh, but other, i mean, he's been in some form of detention or another for 10 years or longer. but yes, the designs to kill and assassinate a journalist. it is completely outrageous and i find it

hypocritical right now that the us is condemning russia for imprisoning gross convention or american journalist on the espionage of charges. yet we are the ones who are in prison, enjoy and assigned on espionage act charges for committing journalism. a few weeks ago, president biden said he would consider a request from australia to drop the prosecution of julian. asides does a single potential shift in the case and is there a chance that the charges could actually be dropped? there has been a number of exec groups the government could have taken, and i still think those ramps are available. i think the most positive reading of, by the end statement is that it's signals or might be a just a matter solution and all of this. but then the negative reading is that the assurances were issued after he made that statement. so i'm not sure if he made

that statement kind of looting a trial balloon. um or if he his, he just kind of going back and forth on the case and maybe get in contradictory advice from different government agencies on which way the white house should message this. but really, this is not the case. i mean the dire, dire consequences on free speech 1st amendment, freedom of the press corps journalistic activity is going to be so imperiled by this and by the end could so easily for number different reasons. take the off ramp and i hope he does the right thing in doing so. i mean that he, he is campaigned on this idea of, of us being the beacon of democracy and the cornerstone of democracy is having a free and open democratic press adjustment reddick. thank you so much for joining

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