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hello and welcome to the program. i'm for the back people. the international court of justice has ordered his route to stop. it's a sold on rafa. the order is one of 3 issued by the un top court in the genocide case, brought by south africa against israel. over its war on god is around his long declared . he plans to intensify, sold on the southern city, saying it's necessary to dismantle from us. and it appears advance to follow through with that strategy. the i, c, j is warnings of final and legally binding, but it doesn't have a way to enforce them. so, does this play to sort of carry any weight and will it affect events on the ground? and how will prime and as soon as now 9 age increase pressure at home and abroad would explore these questions. but i guess in just a moment, but for us this report by continental past already on the it's a significant move for the us top court. a landmark emergency ruling ordering is

relative stop. it's assault on rafa. is it must immediately hold it's media to events and any other accident and did also have governors which made conflict on the, by the city of the group and gaza conditions of life that would bring about it's physical destruction in hold or input bought shortly after the international court of justice issued its ruling is really forces intensify their attacks, wiping out entire neighborhood. the ruling is part of a wider legal case that began with south africa, accusing israel of genocide and gaza. many palestinians don't any of the court's orders will change things or stop the government of as really prime minister benjamin netanyahu from moving forward with the offensive men. they know if i hype is rel, will comply. but it hasn't cared about quotes, rulings or even its allies in the past. so it was the middle of. busy these are

able to continue, the massacres is why it is a state above the lock and no one could stop it. as part of the ruling, israel was ordered to reopen the roof of border crossing and allow aid into gaza. fam, it is already asserting parts of the north, and the world health organization says it can spread across the strip fast is really officials have condemned the i c j's ruling. the government says it's defending itself and finding home us, and some is released agree. the fact that there are even having this conversation is quite ludicrous, to be honest, i think, said we have women, young women, we have men, we have elderly individuals that have been taken hostage. and while israel is a signatory to the geneva conventions, the i, c, j has no means to enforce its orders. many analysts now question whether the ruling like other legal motions will be dismissed by israel. and if so,

if there will be consequences. states can choose to take counter measures against other states. a non violent counter measures would include things like economic sanctions, for example. um, in order to induce enforcement, all of that depends obviously on the political will in the situation for now post and he hasn't got some must wait to see if the i see jays court orders will extend beyond words. katia lopez again alj a 0 for insight story. the well, it's now bringing our guess for today show joining us in occupied east jerusalem is mohammed to ha, who is a lawyer and a founder of an east jerusalem law firm that practices in the east really and policy and legal systems and kind of eve, ireland, d l a former is really diplomat who served as, as rise and bassett, or to south africa and in london, william sure boss. he's an international law expert and a professor at middlesex university. german,

thank you for joining us on inside. so a will welcome to all of you how to ha, i can start with you a legally binding order from the international court of justice for israel to stop is offensive on a rafa. are you at all hopeful these release will heat this call at some point in time so far? it doesn't seem to be the case. and yeah, it hasn't been the case, but i think the z, the z, the government cannot continue to ignore international law, in this case, a specific international court order. this is a clear order of this time i need to fill out a specific area of the area. and i think that this time it was uh eh, one of the orders that i missed, the orders by the i c. c. also waiting for the hold on god. i think the government will think twice this time when they beside the home there are future actions in

dropbox. so it's not it despite, it hasn't been following international law in the past. but i think with this kind of door, the big, when are they, they will they want to treat it in a different rate? i don't think of as a golf can continue to violate international law can continue and not to comply with orders issued by the international court of justice, the highest court in the world and get away with it. i think this time they know that the time has come for his and really to comply with this or those i'm a to comply with the international law. and if they don't do so, then that is fair. the rest once for the 2 gentlemen that you spoke about and maybe how does that risk is, is getting higher and higher. okay, alan neal, your thoughts? well, let's narrow completely know this order will be, is ready. government continue to defy the highest court of international law is

the interpretation is the friend. at least writing government has seized the order as to so the bottle is once it gave the damage, possibly the us the most, the day, the angel casualties on the wall in law. and i the interpretation, it will be very cautious, especially when it's task to see a yes, a, but i don't think is the best way to a welcome to the. maybe they have policies where to go. so he's getting these folders go there. you're a security council for vote and will lead to another american the don't.

the new procedure we stopped. okay, i'll ask you a little bit more about what we can expect at the un security council in a moment. let me bring in william some ice into the conversation. william allen leo says there is or in israel that there's a very different interpretation of this law. but as that mohammed douglas said it's, it's a very clear order this time from the international court of justice, a very specific routing on like the 2 previous ones. the court is ordering is around to stop the split, the military operation in rough. i to allow humanitarian aid in through rafa and now the crossings. how much weight does this rolling carry despite israel, ignoring previous rulings of the court? well, i totally agree. i think it's a really and the order from the court couldn't be much clearer than it is. and the, the idea of the israel can interpret this in some way that allows it to continue with its military. ready offensive is quite a deposit or something i think the whole world will see that of course,

it's clear now that is real doesn't the intend to comply with whatever, whatever contract interpretation it develops about the order. and as, as everyone knows that. ready is not an enforcement mechanism as such the and tell me what's the purpose then of these measurements, wendy, i'm sure boss if they're going to be ignored. but you don't know that they're going to be ignored until you order them. and i think that's the most countries have been on the receiving end of these orders historically they don't comply with them. and so software for guy has no alternative if it has to go to the court to get the orders. and then hopefully political pressure will be put on israel to get it to comply. already we're seeing the consequences on israel with many of its allies and friends. many of the countries that have been very supportive and friendly to israel are losing their taste for this. partly because they also value and, and respect the international court of justice. they can't stomach,

israel's attitude of absolute disdain. for an order by a cord is real accepted as israel never had to ratify the genocide convention. but once it did it open the door to orders from the international court of justice and it is, it is obliged to respect them. i don't know how does this row continue to justify rejecting these orders from the instructional court of justice is israel above the law? oh i explained how is that adjusted 5? is it a d takes the ac may in the fleet, install a box. the headlines in the uh, the all the is the sheet in roswell and different. okay. and this we create, uh, mostly this is um, add some weight probably in anyone's there some weight by the 20. i know the this international court of justice, or the estate of the owners. oh,

you love this place, zillow, things happening now. it is wise for relations, the palsy, lovely cold here see mommy pointed to be so mommy. and these are as to why the agent, the way it was being sold in a more low spots of the especially, you know, the scene is very important to us. yeah. certainly, alan, this has been a bad week for israel hopkins. certain guy is really is about this growing international pressure. in this growing international i sedation. it's not just displayed to swing by the international court of justice. it's also the i c c seeking to issue arrest warrants against is really leaders and also have my feet is and some very important europe and countries as you mentioned, who are now demanding that an independent palestinian state be established. how does this resonate with these really probably good launch in the

sense a unfortunately, the visual was the way that most of these really body. but no matter what we do that well, i wouldn't be against us as the world is by finishing unless a big so there is a tendency don't overload what's happening in the international. what we want to do on that many is why it is a really, really worried that a fact that we have the hallmark and we so what are this is the, is the in the body how we don't want, maybe he does the side points on his own is somebody that somebody is does say that's the way i'm is pushing for them either way and he has to do this on. yeah. all right,

a mom at the your thoughts about this all in the else is there a different interpretation of the slate? is really by israel and the israel views these decisions made at the international level as anti semitic. what do you make of this? what i think, or as you know, is that it has sent to a judge adult. the judge in the buck who is part of the restaurant golf justice. and i think now does that just trying a basically to base its case on his defending will be in a mental opinion. he tied to say that actually the international court of justice is not at all very uh to the freeze of the military conference in the for in dropbox. but actually it, it does. so it with 50 provisions about this. they are mit events such as the show stopped well, but it should. but if it's a button and click this. busy physical damage to the scene have invested in

population, then the outpatient can continue. so that, that explicit explanation got there, but in his opinion, and when did you, i made sure that what do you actually present it to the is there any government that as the that the general basically didn't advise to the army yet? the leading the decision of the few judges in the court. they say that actually there is no way to the open involve uh without inflicting this damage on this would be there but illusion they mention what is that it has tried to do with the hundreds but a senior and vac deleted from about 5 to i'm oh, i see here, yeah, the other areas of the, the port phase and it's ruling then those areas are not adequate for the happy vision people can attend. is there no houses, no water, no sewage, nothing did for the end of provision given by this really is i think will not be

accepted by anybody in the world. but that's the, that's how is the, the old right side is that it has its own interpretation for international law including the mass and human very. busy and that was the only really interpretation of is different from what the lord and scholars think about in the last thing you might know a briefly mama donnelly, before i bring with him a back into the conversation, the routing also says israel has to allow you and investigators into guys to, to investigate the genocide case. right. what's the likelihood of that happening, of israel allowing investigators into the territory it hasn't the best suit. uh you have the quality permissions to where they. busy supposed to come to the scene of the past based on the front of it illusions of the machine. but you know, i think we a human rights. busy pounds to or other committees and is a in the past, as in being cooperative and this time i don't think it's going to be any different

. as a business actually is the show. the case of gaza garza has deemed to seize a god, but it's been on the very need for your control from the feed from the air. i'm from the board. does that the borders? no, i'm come into the guy showed up and it's really kind of a part of the consent. and design is the only one who decides who comes and goes out, does not bid for eh, our big leather green is, would not allow that. the investigators to come in so far we haven't been able to maybe get him getting on the the general guys, the seat was my favorite. the guys i only been shut off at that point, but you will not be able to get it to be inside. does that, does it have been really good but seen inside as right, but she wasn't able to get inside the door. you got the information from either you, i'm agencies,

but anything in progress that is that the different story is likely to have all the time in the, in the unlikely is happened, then william will a defiance of disorder. my understanding is that there's no immediate sanction for violating the provisional orders issued by the international court of justice. but does the voiding have broader implications for the genocide case that as well as facing as well in principle, it doesn't. it's a preliminary ruling about an urgent situation and it's without prejudice, as we lawyers say to the merits of the case. but clearly the attitude and the violence it's we, we can sense the attitude of the judges already. i think israel's approach in reading this order in this very technical matter. ready suggesting that somehow it allows them to continue with businesses huge. ready is really not a reading in good faith. you have to read the judgements. you have to mean what the

other members of the court upset in their individual opinions and $0.01 that this is a part that is getting more angry or angry or, and more and more impatient with israel. so israel's not heading into a good place in this case. of course there's going to be a great debate when this finally goes on the merits. but it's not, it's not working, but for israel in terms of its future at the international court of justice. what about the international criminal court, while in defiance of this order by israel affect the pre trial chamber of the i, c. c, which is currently debating whether to issue arrest, warrants against is really need is the, technically, of course the, because it as low as the the, the 2 are not directly related in any way. but again, what we can see here, listen, there are 13 judges of the court from all over the world, from countries that are friendly, the israel, as well as countries that are perhaps less from the day is real. and they're unanimous about this. we can expect the same kind of sentiment,

the same kind of move amongst the 3 judges at the pre trial chamber of the international criminal court to we're going to have to rule in the coming weeks on the prosecutors application for the arrest warrants. of course, we can't foresee what they'll decide, but this sets the tone and i think we, we can anticipate that those are restaurants will be issued. and they're all kinds of other sort of soft effects of this to go outside the legal sphere altogether. and we've made reference to them already, the fact that there's an increasing number of rolling momentum upstaged to recognize palestine as a state, and probably open the door still the united states as an obstacle, but it's the last only the last obstacle admitting tell us it's a full member state of the united nations. right. and mom, and i'll ask you about about this, the us being this obstacle, but let me just get out of the else thoughts about what william said there. i mean,

what happens all and if these arrest warrants are issued, israel's credibility has radically diminished within the course of this war. and guys are, there's a shifting perception today in the world of israel as a law abiding democracy. what would it mean for his route to lose that status and to be treated as a non democracy? oh, as far as i remember the wow how they plan, they saw countries, members of the. ready world and when the story risk. now when we got our and we have sold for the fast info on this issue. so this is why the boss man, the why the dog or a phone relations is one of the way dry door under my j legally. this is still being my,

the status of the most about even spoilers wouldn't be issued because the united states is not a member of the i c c, this stage from all the discussion. the issue is the why is why is because my race just to join the call, somebody called me this is a, this been a while, that being the best of joint, the gospel cannot do a discussion there. and this is josie golf, through the state. all gas, they all the, all the, just these. so in the way we are a gauging the situation with united states, if it was to get to the list of june because of some way that is great and paid and embarrassing. embarrassing to israel. i'm at the only the security council

has the power to enforce these warnings by the international court of justice. but as we've heard from both the william and alan bill that it's likely that the, the us will veto any moves at the security council. so what then should be done to enforce these warnings and, and how difficult to position business, but the us and i mean the fact is well through and throughout this conflict, how difficult would it be for them if this gets to the security council? i think it puts that states in a very difficult position. i mean for how long can they they tell us to use the, the, to the design from instructions and from the troubling that they are putting the united states in as well. i'll do a lot 30. my guy says, you know, we are very busy. these are asking by guy us, that'd be sufficient to do to the eyes to see the apartment general down to the

judges and to the. busy and please advise and see the one been to sanction for port . we haven't him such a thing over. i mean, asking the super power to sanction and international board for issuing more for issuing a motion only for the time being uh black for i'm this one for the war terminals. this is, i mean, i'm headed off, i'm think of a lot, but now we're moving to the i c. c advice and see is i ordered a variety of nations. i'm good audit states as part of the. busy the about the, it's part of the i c. c. it's popular heart admissions. i like the, it's only, it's 5 by c, j thailand to all right. yes. the west, which there i'd say it is not part of it. it's not part of the role that you go to the united states in the body open position. uh huh. there. and, and basically saying that. busy this uh you have a water board, the 3 established after the 2nd world war, which includes the u. i'm trying to do anything to the international court of

justice. and so many other. busy international governments and conventions and agreement, stuff i was suppose to do late relations between depos, between countries, between states. but those are actually not applicable. and that gets to prison. okay. the space has been under try you to buy this man for its treatments. it was right and can describe the conflict, not, not only but the use, right. and now it's really a very, very bad position if it continues to use that to people. because it's going to be clear for, of the community that this move is against international law, and that gives intern. okay, let me get william thoughts about this william, how much does this heightened the costs for the bottom administration as it continues to be israel? so guarantor and defend and what are the next steps? as far as international know is concerned, i mean, they, what are the obligations of 3rd states in this case?

you know, why wouldn't underestimate the ability of the united states to be hypocritical on new subjects. the united states has been kingly, supporting the international criminal part. when that's investigating the russians in ukraine, despite the fact that the names of the part has no jurisdiction over people who are in citizens of the members state. now of course, they're raising that objection and they're going to be a trying to take measures apparently to block the work of the court, sought the 1st time they've done it. they tried back in 2002 when it looked like the rome statute was born, the injured enter into force, which it did, of course. and then they try it on the trumpet ministration. but these are really quite pathetic efforts that had no teeth and them in reality they have very little it in the way of practical consequences. and, and i don't see that they thought of anything brand new incense then that could actually inflict pain. that's annoyance. it's right, annoyance disgraceful that they're doing it, but it's not going to stop the international. ready criminal court proceeding with

what, what it's set up to do. okay. and yeah, is there any, is there any government likely to re evaluate its position in the face of intensifying international pressure and intensifying isolation? it is the question because i am, i don't know if this way will continue. but the difference between the both of the i c, m i c, j. we go with the russians. if the security costs are when go on voltage. well, you are being recognized by this time if it will end up with the n as in don nosebleed to inc. and that is the the conjunction if we do well on our international

standby. there's all of our security or if we go off the 100 percent security dash because the pressure of the ocean, the sun is below. now the way. thank you gentlemen, for a very interesting conversation. thank you very much for joining us mohammed. dia allen leo williams. to boss, thank you to all 3 of you and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at ologist, sierra dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x. i'll handle is that a j inside story for me, for the back to board and a whole team here in dell? ha, thank you for watching bye for now. the

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