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. ringback the spain, ireland, in norway have all promised to recognize a palestinian state in the latest diplomatic glow to israel. what will this mark a significant shift in the west position? or is it a somebody said, a case of too little, too late? that conversation is coming up, but 1st, the international criminal court requested arrest warrants for leaders of both israel and from mass charging them with war crimes and crimes against humanity. the court has long been criticized for only going after leaders from the global cell. so does this decision signal that it is now willing to prosecute western powers and

their close allies will ask that question to the isis is 1st, chief prosecutor is weeks headliner, luis moreno a company. the reason why i didn't know a couple thanks so much for joining me on upfront. no, my friend came in my bedroom. i like to discuss these issues. probably. absolutely . let's start with what happened on monday this past monday, the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court. kareem khan said that he had requested arrest warrants for war crimes and crimes against humanity for is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and his really defensive minister you'll have the lot as well as 3 members of him as these warrants against israeli leaders would be the very 1st time. and if the icpc is ever indicted a close ally of western powers, tell me about the significance of something like this of what it provides some siding did not make to the 2nd thing that was kind of had to do with the legal

limits. and let me finish the process, but there was a good that was collecting evidence. now he presented them into the judges. so that was why we will be decided by the judges. none of us to get to the judge account, decided not to do it. so it's a process now that the 3 judges, one is maybe from romania, one from beginning, one from france. they will debate that with this site. and they can be cited in the months like important case on a months. so that, that process, one of the arguments that has been made by israel and by the united states is the question of legitimacy and jurisdiction in particular. israel's not pointing to the i c, c. they say we don't recognize the authority of the i, c c. well assigned that has yet to be formally recognized as a state by the un. so there is no me there. you end up going back. no, no, i'm sorry. you my time when in my time, by the time request to be that intervention for 3 and they were briefing me and that the and i said i'm talking to you another state. but after that of october 20

to us, the un general assembly decided that by the time if they not the member of the un but just state and therefore an incentive thing by saying became a state part of the organ. tasha in the court. i am friends with the one. the court accepted the 50 gigs which will be done in the pipe and category, meaning gatzo, westbank. i need to tell him that why the court have not use the current if i have, but how much gonna be the crime standing in gas that went through. if i come back to guess that was even hostages does why? the particulars are, has jurisdiction on how much the crime committed allegedly let me do by then. yeah . cool. happening, gas that many times. why the basically the it doing die. so it was it not investigating things has happened in the fire he proceed with in k, who kind of going to from got that on a or in get there isn't a risk for or it is granted any country that's a signatory to the i. c. c would have not just the right,

but really an obligation. yes to arrest. and that's in yahoo to arrest. you'll have the lar, if they ever step foot inside of their countries. that's a yahoo! had an interesting response to that reality when he was asked about potential travel concerns. he stated, i am not concerned about traveling. i'm not concerned at all about our status. the prosecutor should be worried about his status. so the 1st thing i want to ask is, how likely is it in reality that nothing yahoo would be arrested when visiting a foreign country where the dead do what the subject had no issue deficient, then the police implemented them in the, in the us, if the police, if the i go on implement things, there's no real way to be i. so the judge isn't that just need the pin on states. right? and for instance, for is stuff i forgot to say to me through machine, you cannot come here. but then one day they accept it. okay, you can visit now because it's a big meeting. but then the south african judge's orders that raise unless you have

to escape, he ran out right? yeah, right, right, the back door. so that's why, but the input, the, the kind to go just off of the got, i'm to go to receive even the latest that you can come. they the not because they, these are like to the galleries. so there's a batch of every by the, the issue which is the wall and that, and that's just about but event and then to profit. that's ok, which is more the problem for the situation. i look, you cannot, the c panel is using war gem increase. got nothing human, right? guy in general, increase the who conduct operations and everybody's done. i knew that he did better what he called the insurgency. much, you'll kill your 10 terrorist. you kill 2. how many of the main 20 then minus 2. equal to print the why? because some of the, of the friend be contemporaries, but in fact, how much lead is,

all of them are victims. are family who it for this place. they have mostly they have kids killed. so all of them are also victims that committed the crimes. and the same time, so it's time to stop the revenge cycle that to protect the agency is offering and opportunity develop form in more into just as the patient how much things are differently though. arrest warrants more requested for their leadership. yeah, we know. yeah, yeah. as in water, the leader in god. yeah, i'm honestly don't guys that my name is dave, who is the commander of the cuz i'm a big brigade who is in the military. we have of for mass. and as maya, how many, who's the head of the, from as a political bureau? yeah, they've been accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity. they've demanded the withdrawal of these allegations. and they say that the i c c prosecutor was quote, equating the victim with the execution or their argument is they have a right to armed resistance. yeah. but okay, go and the judge,

a plane that go to do that. yes. do you have this argument? go to a judge is make the argument, the best thing it does not charging him to come forth. can you show or to do with assistance. they charge then to go to his right. thank you for the 100 civilians and to, to run the hostages goodman kids. this noncombatant, so you are, you are, if you don't fight that, you cannot can civilians. so that's why if they'd be the one that that's why they shouldn't go to the dentist if then the other one because the bible might vision. yeah. also called kareem khan. again, the prosecutor, one of the quote rates answering some mites in modern times and he likened him to judges and nazi germany who helped to enable the holocaust. was a pretty heavy accusations. what do you make of that? did you come on? one of the 6 in the motion of the little advice. so he reviewing the evidence. if they have a few other mid on warning then instead of the was never in,

then they are not able to able comp i'm. he was a big and hard because i there, he came to the go, the vice of these, right. i'm the us, he's not friends, it may take, he's a victim, he's in survival auto cause he say these are perfect valid requirements to request . so come on, the not the button. i don't think that's the presumably. yeah, just they got responsibility. what he did, he was there this complaint you, you'll believe you're not, you're providing them when they actually don't explain the he can do that. and in fact, it is right as they don't like they who go into the high to see the pressing. goodly, if i can stop the start there any medication? if it is right, i think you'd the definitely mitigation that would stop the case, but have to be a genuine investigation. i don't know if there's a guy who is more afraid of it. he's very particular done or they just investigate the island. what do you think of i am not sure about my job to determine that i can't get into nothing. yeah. who's brain and figure out what he's afraid of your

peers and not be afraid of much he's afraid to come on. he's still getting that for the month of the of the bread. yeah. but you can go to 2020 talk. so tough. he says look, i'm not getting the rest of in fact of the ice cream around the position. worry about his status. if you want to prosecute when that happens right. when you a prosecutor, if nothing, yeah. who it said a couple needs to be worried about his status, not my boss usually died. but he said that all the time, the but the when they talk about you is because the i'm a, the freight and the fact that he was very, a friend and a he does what, right? because they didn't j not getting that to see, but even jail. yes. when you die the you have a big problem that way. and if i yeah with what did about it and is what you talking about the for the last month. you really, i mean, is there a been so many the take a comforting why you're looking so much about that to see if you don't care about that and see of course he cares. of course he gets okay, well the white house, uh, had some commentary about the icbc as well. uh, they say i see doesn't have jurisdiction. the conflict. an arrest warrant is

outrages as we've already discussed. but in late april, prior to these warrants, a group of republican senators issued a threat to the i c. c. and specifically to the prosecute of green cross. that's what he said. he said target is real and we will target you if you move forward. we will move to end all american support for the i, c c section your employees and associates and bar. you and your families from the united states. you have been born in the us, the beach present nixon to effect justice on the beach done on pump for the site for all protecting, just double time. yeah. yeah. so is it us tend to go into effect into measurement just is that what they are doing that's gonna leave the world doing best like this are usually unfairly targeted and you don't have the jurisdiction, but the incentive to not national senate charging i back in the gosh darn core for

doing something with us with the profit because the jurisdiction is provided. but by this time nobody's right under the case they've come on. us is building a port in these in gas that because there is no more than a system coming from a rise. come a how that goes a good night. the problem i'd say, of course, is that go to crime hook. i have friends, international law professors from these right? everyone recognize it. you can not testify. the stop in the my, the, i say that the, what the food to gas, that it this obviously the a crime starving is a crime. it's a crime coming to against armenians. is it kind of coming to always is a crime so they have to ignore the crimes. i'm pretending that probably is not the those who meet the crime, the front of the person who does that is a big mistake. the us gives billions of dollars to israel. we have from we have enabled israel in every way imaginable. money weapons a shielding them in for from account ability at the un. uh, is there

a moment where the us will be deemed complicit? not just in the court of public opinion, but in an international legal binding. whether legally, yes, if, if they so easily, the case is confirmed man, and these are crime committed to providing, waiting for the contributions of this crime could be a crime. but yeah, that could be a crime. so that's would be something for then you're a veteran and an expert. how likely is it, do you think that the us, i think the in case the buying is know, should be respected, not just by judges. i'm going to hear those law shall be patton. are you respected by lead that's need, it's got an all set is okay. to stop to 1000000 people always. okay. how much go on came to evaluate now we have to stand for the victims, evaluated victims biased. him victims used to have done for the, for the killers. you have a problem. that's why the us ministers are making revolts because they don't, they,

they don't see the russian with this. how do you kind of drop crimes, how the us authorities? because i've talked with you, but i think it didn't all be as cons. is it time sort of think, you know, there are people who believe that obvious crimes should be investigated by the i c . c, just not obvious crimes in every country. earlier this week, the prosecutor con, did an interview with cnn's christiane and for yeah, and he stated that in a named senior leader told him that the ice and see was actually quote built for africa and for thirds like clinton. israel also urged quote, nations of the civilized world to oppose the icy seas request for arrest warrants. what do you make of statements like the, the idea that there's a dichotomy between the civilized world and the global cell? the idea of the agencies for those people over there, not for us. and how that squares with the fact that this is the 1st time that

a close ally western power is being indicted to whereas lloyd for everyone. no, no one is available on the fact that stuff after the guy demanding also the case before the j showing. okay. the lawyer you nothing that has of us, the stuff i forgot, the ceiling and the kansas. the files come to mind little because low. either way to put the, the low is the weather particularly weekend. if you have the web and you're gonna need to know, you need to know when you're on the web once. and that's why it's so important to confirm. there's always important, i like it. the judges are from been in romania. okay. frenzy the so small. so yes i just it's a global experiment. is it done formation? and these that could be done moment. not just for the value, but it stands for the was luis berto a couple. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. the norway, ireland,

in spain will formerly recognize an independent palestinian state on may 28th. the coordinated announcement comes amid international outrage of the mounting dental and the humanitarian crisis. and guys of israel continues, it's a saw these countries hope others will follow in order to revive piece talks with formal recognition of a palestinian state has been unattainable for decades. so well, this move actually make a difference. here to speak with us about the matter is marine or benny. he is co editor of jed aliya and previously senior middle east analyst and special adviser on israel palestine with the international crisis group mine the to see you up on been to do more than 140 countries already recognize a palestinian stain. that includes a few european countries, of course, but no major western powers, ireland, spain, and norway have long advocated for palestinian state. so what is different now?

what's the significance of this move from these countries at this moment? and i think it's significant in several respects. it's of course, politically symbolic and i think it's certainly politically important in the context of been consistent is really position opposing genuine independence and genuine palestinian sovereignty over the occupied territories. but i think it's also significant in the sense that it's really too little too late on these 3 countries in addition to sweeter which recognize posting in the state of a few years ago, represent 4 out of 30 plus members of the european union and european economic area they've said they've taken this move in order to promote the 2 state of uh, settlement. now the time to have done that would have been is either in the

late 19 eighties when the palestinians 1st proclaimed state goods or at the very latest. during the 1990s, when israel's relentless settlements expansion under the oslo agreement, it's made clear that unless is rarely, expansion isn't, was resisted through political and practical measures. there could be no 2 states settlement having waited until 2024 to do this again. is in my view too little too late, particularly. talk about this, talk to me about the 10 little part 1st i get into late part right there in the eighty's and ninety's, who would've been a much more impactful choice. but when you say it's too little, isn't, is it to inductive to say that it's now just a symbolic measure, or is there an actual practical value to this recognition? well, i do think there is practical value, but what i meant by to little is if you know these western states,

and not only those who have now recognized tossing the state good, but also all the others who claim to be in support of the 2 states settlement if they genuinely believed that to be the case, then there should be all kinds of practical measures they should take, for example, banning settlement products on to the european market, which is the main factor in making is rarely settlements. the legal is really settlements a viable economic proposition. you can have a to state settlement without ending the occupation. and unless they take forceful, practical measures to end the occupation, then of steps such as we've seen yesterday will be made to appear to be symbolic level. and that's what i mean by it being too little. when we think about the 2 state solution, as you pointed out, these 3 countries see this as

a step on the way to that long standing. i'll say at least express goal that i'm not always convinced that it's a real commitment as much as it is and articulated. the gold. 1 many countries and in many cards around the world and united states have expressed that same goal to stay in solution. but they say it can be achieved through other means it can't be done. now. they need to be direct negotiations between israel and palestine. in order for that to happen. uh, the concern many people have myself included is we've been saying this for decades now, the oslo accords with the opportunity to get their eyes. you're pointed out all these different chords throughout time, whether it's a clinton accords, whatever it is, we keep trying to get there. there haven't been direct negotiations for 15 years between the 2 countries. so, is this now the time for a new approach? you mean is the approach at least an alternative, an alternative to just kicking the ball down the field every year thinks i'm state solution with no negotiation. that, that certainly appears to be the case,

especially when one party to the solution has the state of israel has demonstrated itself to be a new, rational genocidal apartheid state that has reached the point where it can no longer distinguish between from the full that thinks every political challenge can be resolved with overwhelming force and violence, but i would just like to say in response to your earlier correct interpretation of, of those who on the one hand claim to be in favor of a 2 state settlement and at the same time, say it can only be achieved through by lateral there's really posted in negotiations, but they're essentially saying is that a palestinian state and the unalienable rights of the past and in people to self determination can only be implemented on the basis of his really approval. in other words, the negotiations are intended to give israel the right to veto,

over the establishment of a policy needed state over the form of the past and in states and over the substance of such a state. and to anyone who has been observing this issue over the past decades, it's clear as day light that is real simply has no intention to end the occupation . so when, on the one hand you give this unconditional support to isabel by making its on by making pulse and he writes, dependent on is really concerned then statements in support of 2 states. settlement are really just performative and not more than smoke and mirrors . after the announcements, the u. s. again reiterated that it does not support unilateral recognition of a palestinian state and no surprise there a while. then you in general, assembly over womanly supports the palestinian state. the us unilaterally blocked a bid for, for you in membership earlier this year. this is all of this meaningless. this

entire push for a palestinian state recognition is not meaningless. if the u. s. and other major powers won't change their longstanding policy. i wouldn't go so far as to characterize it as meaningless. again, i think it's politically significant in the sense that it demonstrates once again how thoroughly out of touch the united states is with the will of the international community. we often think of, of, of the west as providing leadership to the international community in the united states in particular performing battle. i think what this crisis has demonstrated does that we're really dealing with 2 separate entities with an ever growing child in between the, the west leg by the united states on the one hand. and the international community representing the will of the vast majority of governments and states around the world on the other hand. and what the us is really saying is it doesn't want

palestinian statehood unless and until is real, agrees to it. and in addition to us will exercise no pressure on israel to consent . how does israel's outrage play into this? i mean, after the recognition of these 3 european states was announced, nothing. yahoo said that this was a move that rewards terrorism. other members of israel's hard line government, even people who don't like netanyahu, echo this intimate. historically, those kinds of statements, those types of claims have helped to mobilize support for israel in the global community. are we still in a moment where that's possible or has that train left the station? i think that train is left the station. i should, that i almost feel sympathy for these are, is real leaders in terms of the outrage that they have expressed. their problem is that they have enjoyed total impunity for so long on any issue relating to the palestinians. they're used to getting their way and being coddled by the

west in the united states, in particular on everything over the decades. that to them even the slightest challenge to their unilateralism and dealing with the palestinians is seen as an affront against the entire state and its very existence. and i think that explains why, as the, as, as you noted, even is really leaders who are most opposed to the attorney who is a leader on stand shoulder to shoulder with them on this issue. just as a do with respect to the international court of justice. the international criminal court and really any other initiative on that suggests that there's going to be any challenge to israel's ability to deal with the palestinians on the use a lateral basis with western support with total impunity. right. and remind me, thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you very much for having me. right. everybody that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the

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