the map, the course of the situation in terms of the, the policy things and, and, and also those that are the very 1st feeds. uh, uh, we are trying to, uh, identify if uh, if. so it'd be any, it'd be flo. how, where are the possible open distance? but those evacuation can say the more immediate concerns, the fine line. we appreciate that they give us food, but our problem is money. because we still need to spend for our children who are in school. we can't make money for here all day because while the government has promised to provide assistance, it's not clear how long before mount e bu comes down. find to below l g 0 west. how my hair, indonesia, severe weather and flooding along the south, africa's east coast has killed at least 21 people left hundreds homeless. michel minute has this update. the this is of a don't go. these are tomatoes,

a driver kept as a tomato building up in south africa's kazoo natal province. by the time many could seek shelter. it is too late. areas like this have been devastated. the high winds in torrential rains, flattened homes and flooded roads. at least a 120 people have lost their homes. 11 others have been killed. thirties have declared a state of a lot. i see now blue level, but we don't have any food because it's all with all our belongings with our i. d. 's are all under the rubble and we're still searching. we literally have nothing we played with those who can help to come forward and risk us. the level of the rooms have been destroyed. that means my tenants don't have a place to stay in the month now i have to try and get them a place to stay and have my house repaired. and i do not have that much money to do that. i survive because of my tenants, and there are only 2 of them in some areas work is being done to restore water and

electricity supply of the power lines were damaged 2 years ago, doubling and it's a rounding areas with the size of the was flooding and so last week is history killing more than $400.00 people. at least 10 people have died now in the neighboring east and k province with his bit extensive flooding. and more than 2000 people have been forced to leave nelson mandela bay with the service to save the heavy rains and cold and likely to bring hail snow and more strong winds issued a warning into other provinces. because more bad weather is expected to meet the miller. i'll just 0. that's it for me. my, the inside, the nice continues here on out is there of to upfront to stay with us. the in india, illegal mining is having a devastating impact on an ancient mountain range and the local residence. and you

look at how much dust there is everywhere. my father is staring destined to face $1.00 oh, $1.00 east travels to india to investigate. my name's gimme a ralph, as he mounted on out to santa as europeans prepared to go to the polls. far right. parties across the continent are set to make major gains. so what's behind this, the parents surge in popularity and what implications going to have for the wider world. that conversation is coming up for the 1st of october 7th. israel's public diplomacy machine has been on overdrive. but as the world continues to see the highest committed in gaza, is israel losing the war for public opinion? and is this a sign of a decline for the once renown propaganda machine, the joining me to discuss israel's information warfare effort is jolly. he's a professor of communication at the university of massachusetts and founder and

executive director of the media education foundation. but good to see here, you produced the documentary, the occupation of the american mind in 2016, which highlighted israel's public relations strategy. of course i was a part of that film. this has been called, has brought up. but can you talk about what the has about a strategy is in whether or not it's been effective. and it's what israel has been doing since at least 1980 to 1982 was when an invasion of 11 on the control of information was sent back. right. and there was a lot of very negative stories on american media. and since then, they decided they're not going to let that happen and they're going to control american media and the stories and narratives that appear on american media in relationship to their situation in israel house. and they got to control that very closely. and the overall strategy is court house for a good sized p off propaganda strategy to make sure that the stories that the

american public here comes from uh have to have the um, the, the narrative that is or would like to have back in march prime minister benjamin netanyahu complained to a high level meeting of is really parliament. that the problem with that has been a strategy, not just social media, not just other narrative, but he said, it's because he was quotes surrounded by people who can't put 2 words together in english. since october 7th, we've seen some very clumsy attempts and prop again, i'm thinking about the suppose the list of mass operative and as ship a hospital. that was just the calendar in arabic, amateurs, amateurish like digital renditions of i suppose that her mass command center, under that same ship a hospital. how does a government that has cutting edge technology a qualitative, military age,

all the diplomatic and political power? how are they this incompetent at messaging in the 21st century as well? i think they have some sort of the vast structure that they used to because they've used to dealing with kind of, you know, this is how we deal with american media. american media itself, you under control, but i think october 7th and this is what they're dealing with october. the 7th was such a shock to them in one sense. it was humility of a quote, another month since, but it was a humiliating defeat. where you know, where the is ready, the ministry was simply over, run it by a few battalions of a mouse and i think they were in a pallet. i think they might use that they, they simply did not route, but it simply didn't think that they would be this level of opposition to them. and so when the level of opposition is so great, as it was in this case, and they have to kind of think on the fly and they have to think on the fly, then they do these, you know, these amateurish things. i mean,

but i also want to cite, you know, these things become apparent after a while. but when they 1st happen, um, there was no crushing of it. and when he 1st happens and you know, there is like the stories about the big headed babies. i mean, clearly something that was made up, but it, it performed its function in the short term, even though in the long time it has been totally debunked. let's talk about that for a 2nd. i mean, you're right. i mean, after october 7th, there were so many a legit atrocities committed by how may i ask that were being reported and to be sure war crimes were committed by for mass. but some of the most agreed is claims, like the forwarding be headed babies by mass and a could far as the and, or the idea that they were ripping out the fetus is a pregnant is really women. these ideas were later debunked. these horrific claims were illustrated in great detail later to be false,

but in the moment they were accepted wholesale by mainstream corporate media outlets and cnn, cbs fox, it's, i mean, i'm the president died and even said at some point, yeah, i saw the pictures you know, what role does this kind of complex of media and powerful people co signing false matters? how does that influence public opinion as well in the, in the short term? i think i know you use, as you said, i mean the claims are so outlined ish, but what israel needed to do was to get political space to be able to operate. and so essentially, you know, destroyed gaza and for the 1st few weeks, that is what they did. they had, they were, there was no opposition because every time anyone raised any opposition these, you know, these stories would be, it would, we would be a or bought out, you know, that we're dealing with barbarians. the when dealing not with civilized people, we're dealing with people, you know,

who are not like us. and therefore you have to take these very, very extreme measures, you know, likes lights flattening to hold a gaza. so again, the atrocity propaganda works and do the only needs to work in a short term. but let me, let me go back a minute. but there's some historical examples of this, right? if we, if we go back to the 1st gulf war, you know, back into yeah. and been to the early 19 ninety's early 91. when we started the same. i went into quite so there was not much support in the mind american population to uh, to oppose that. and so there was a propaganda campaign run. uh, actually focusing on uh a rocky shed. so. busy which is ripping babies out of incubators and leaving them on the floor to die. and this then became what american public opinion was riley around. so these are trustworthy stories are trustworthy publications, but have a short term goal. even though later on they are, they are. but you know,

proved to be false. on the other hand, just as we, we've seen video footage from the tell us look down refugee camp in rafa where a man is screaming in har, holding up a dead baby who's headed, been blown off. we've heard accounts of parents and children being burnt alive inside of their tents. and yet, despite the fact that these atrocities had been conferred armed, we haven't seen the same media outraged. we haven't seen the same political right from the white house or anywhere else in the main stream. why are we seeing such a sharp contrast between how a baby or any human being is treated in israel versus our baby, or any human being is treated the power star? i got, i think to that is you just have to look to see what the function of the main stream media, or is the function of the mainstream media when it comes for our policy is to tell stories from the viewpoint of our allies. but you know chomsky a long time ago in

a book with a good home and i talked about, you said there are no there are sympathetic victims and on sympathetic victims. and sympathetic victims are the victims that are caused by our enemies and start watching you know, whereas sports on sympathetic victims are the victims that all the people that we've killed the we're responsible for. and therefore, you know, they'll be headed palestinian babies. they're not like us, they're there. they have barbarians, you know, they are the most, i'm savages and then, but we don't have to think about them in the same way. and i mean the, i can know your outraged about this as you shouldn't be, as anyone should be. and as i think more and more people all being outraged by this, and that is, i think changing the conversation within the country. so in one sense, i think is really has brought as really broken down and it's broken down on the edge is, but it's increasing you making his way into the mainstream. the american right wing pro israel group stand with us, has claimed that your film quote,

unambiguously accuse is american jewish leaders of involvement in a semi secret conspiracy. and therefore there's argument that you perpetuate the truth of quote, the various jewish scheming. how do you respond to that? how do you respond to the argument that you're advancing anti semitism to your critique sent through the hope of the way that you critique the media and is really government. i mean, my moustache or sponsors, i simply haven't watched the film because in the fan, we explicitly sorry that this is not about a jewish lobby. this is about the israel lobby and the israel lobby is made up not just of jewish groups is made up of, of, of christians is made up of american politicians is made up of the american media. so this is not about religion. there's a note about a now and it's not done as

a conspiracy. this is don pride openly avenue open um, but the, but by being a choose to being an anti semitic, it's a way of trying to shut down the discussion as a way of trying to shut down the amount, the very careful analysis that we give in this and so instead, painters and these very broad right? broadway is the, the, the interesting thing is this, these accusations are no longer working because i think there is, uh, there, there are a lot of stories around us now. and a lot of the opposition, of course, to what is wrong is doing, you know, comes from jews, comes from non design, is choose uh, you know, there was a, as a frank blogs, the republican pollster. yeah. he did some research recently and, and, and the results of it will leads up to grades on, um, and he said, you know, the most that the 2 most dangerous things to is really propaganda. and so he's

ready now. so the 2 most dangerous things, all when jews speak out against is writing policy. and when you see the images of what israel has been doing cause or those 2 things are the most negative things that, that, that work against is ready to propaganda. and so, and, you know, young jews are saying, i know for me to be a jew for me to live up to my values of judaism, means the stand out. i can stand up against what he's or how he's doing and stand for the posting and people. i think that's one reason why the anti semitism claims that the anti semitism accusation is simply not working anymore. because there's so much, you know, counselor, understood, so jolly. thanks so much for joining us on upfront. that's very much the as europeans across 27, e u member states prepared to vote. the hard right to set to make significant gains

far right parties in 9 countries, including france, the netherlands, austria, and poland are leading in the polls. the votes couldn't be, or a larger trend effecting your as parties once considered. fringe are becoming more popular and even ascending to power in countries like italy, finland, and hungry. the implications of a right would shift could be far reaching, impacting policies on migration and the environment, and many other issues. how is this rise of the radical right, changing your political landscape, and what's at stake for the rest of the world? here to discuss this is catherine with a political scientist and professor at the university of georgia n. marta lorimer, a fellow in european politics of the london school of economics. european institute . thank you both for joining me. i guess i'm gonna start with you up for right parties across europe are pulling strong ahead of the upcoming european parliament elections. how big of a right word shift should we expect to see? and so the far right in all its different versions is expected to poll around

25 percent of the vote. so a corner of the vote. and it was, and it depends a little bit on where your account and who you don't count around 20 percent in 2019. so it's an increase of about 25 percent. that is quite significant. but it's not such a big difference. if you look at the individual countries in the last national election, so the far right has been growing in the 21st century, i would say more consistently then in terms of massive shops of murder across europe the far right has indeed sir, is in popularity. it's also entered into some government to me in the last 10 years we've seen georgia maloney leader of brothers ability party elected his prime minister here at villers leader of the party for freedom when the netherlands election and has secured a coalition government deal with that right has made gains in recent years in

countries like france, germany, spain, oh, what's behind this rise? and so there are several different reasons why the far right is on the rise in several you countries. and these may not be the same for all of the countries that we are talking about. a general. the reason is of course, that there has been a rise and concerns about migration, not just cultural concerns, but also economic concerns. what we have also seen are essentially better organized far right parties and much more effective in terms of the campaigns. so they have run and we've also seen a progressive normalization of the far right. whereby other political parties that previously would have, for example, refused to collaborate with the far right, have started not just co opting their ideas basically, but also including them in government coalitions as either as external supports or

directly as partners has this most recent wave of immigration helped to galvanize those other dimensions that you mentioned in other words, is the kind of fear of this influx of outsiders making people make more pragmatic. decisions about coalition building isn't making people co op, other people's political politically, the ologies and, and branding. i mean, is this all tied to this kind of our, our, i'll call it 0 phobic fear. i mean, it's not necessarily a particularly new thing. so already in the 19 a to use. i'm are in a pen so immensely criticized his right wing and counter parts for a basically copying his ideas on migration. so it's not something that is particularly new and that is strictly related to the basically the most recent migration influx into the european union. what has certainly happened is that with the uh, migration crisis and 2015, in particular, the migration has become increasingly politicized

a different political party that started talking about it. the media has started talking about it. they've started framing this is the crisis which has essentially really leaded to treating it as such. and this is a way that in fact for right parties have been talking about migration for decades . now. the far right is you parliament block identity and democracy, which is led by francis marine. the pen recently expelled germany's alternative for deutschland party over comments of a down play. the crimes of not sees. it's not the 1st time showing, not the sympathy or associations either, but the print is national riley party itself. has a history of anti semitism, seen a phobia is live a full view of. uh, are factions of the far right trying to re brand as less extreme is to gain political legitimacy. right? are they abandoning more radical stances not to sort of have an evolution of values or ideas but to just look more palatable to the public or so i think overall,

at the core they don't, they still stand exactly for the same fee, which is by and large and mono cultural state, but they are still, you're a skeptic in the sense that they want a europe of strong nation states. but they do increasingly embrace elements of european integration or at least of your politics because they feel that they can change that you from with it. and i think there are 2 processes going on. one is just the kind of a, a more modern and ization which is partly a model ration. but the other thing is also that the main stream has shifted. scroll me to the right on the issues like immigration and to a certain extent, identity as long whatever it is. and so they, they look more model, right? because the others have shifted. if you actually look at the key positions before,

right, hasn't changed much if there is one position on which day, very recently changed. it is ukraine or more importantly russia. and you see that in particular with maloney who for several years, send a congratulatory suites that put him when he got elected. and now is the staunch defender of ukraine and walk. maloney very well understands is that if you want to be accepted in brussels, you have to be anti russia and pro crate. and if you do that, then you're seeing a serious moving append. national riley party was founded by nazi collaborators and a number of these far right parties becoming more popular in europe, have a deeply anti semitic history, and a number of their members still have deeply anti semitic views. how do far right parties managed to reconcile this type of anti semitism with

unwavering support for israel to so i think their position is on anti semitism, or at least a particular attitude towards israel is in fact something that has changed over time. and that i think particular parties that have some aspiration to government one day such as marine defends, national riley has kind of decided that they are that essentially they're willing to support israel because they would rather support israel then support essentially any mussman country. so this is their, basically, their anti semitism has been superseded by their opposition to it as mom, which means that a party marrying the pen has been desperately trying to build links with the jewish community in france. and melanie also, her policy started her the pre assessor to her policy. so the italian social

movement and the national alliance already started this process of speaking about the holocaust. so it's something that these parties have been working on for decades. and as i said the since they've started focusing so strongly on their opposition to as long as their anti semitism has been kind of swept under the carpet because there are bigger enemies to worry about. guess what do you say? yeah, i think the anti semitism is always been a division of issues. so anti semitism was relatively central among fluoride parties in an eastern central europe. it was much less the case and certainly not open in west to europe. but there were also various parties that simply weren't anti semitic, like lambs belong in belgium. and that we're always try to, um, i kind of got support from jewish community, particularly after 911,

but also within certain circles of the far right israel was always held up as the ideal state because they saw israel as a jewish state. and therefore in an ethnic state, and they would always say, look, we, we just want, what is the romans and those things, of course. and that's those state in their vision. and the costs, particularly in the 20th century. like thank you send that as it was. so defining of what was far right, that it was also strategic because the argument was, look, we are actually in favor of it as well. we, we have nothing against you. so how can we ever be related to the far, right? which at that point in time was national socialism for which empty summit isn't was crucial. but it is important that there are differences because a bill this for example, is truly a mire of israel. there's nothing strategic about it. he is,

he's s o inches i and this some jewish site in this or uh, spanish nationalist box party. recently hosted a conference in madrid that featured a number of far right leaders, including the pin, are continue president javier malay. but it's at least prime minister georgie maloney, hungarian prime minister. victor, audubon, and portugal jacob party leader andre ventura. the goal was to unify for right parties were around the globe. and i headed these problem entry elections . what's the significance of this coordination? ultimately? does it advance their goal of consolidating and unifying the far right beyond europe? because there is an actual, tangible, realistic, attainable goal. not in the very strict sense. because if they can't even organized, come to one group within the european parliament, which per lights, phenomenal, financial and political incentives to do so,

then then it won't happen that the global scale. but what is interesting and definitely new is that we are far more pretty high profile well bang for all the international meetings of european and a far right from europe and from the americas, including the republican party, which participates in various of these meetings. sometimes with a or a button, sometimes with vaux, so it will help them. but not it. this is not a populace to international or a nationalist, international abroad international, whatever term you want to put on it, but it is not with it without significance. i mean, after all, you have a party here which is barely 10 percent of the vote. who has the president of argentina at is rally. so if anyone wants to argue, look, don't vote for fox, they're irrelevant. they can say, look, but we have actually the support of the president of

a hard to pick up martha. how worry should we actually be about this? and i share the sentiment that we probably don't have to be that concerned about as far right international coming together and hanging out. i think a lot of the logic behind these meetings is p r. so it's really them showing no, look, we're great. there's a lot of us we can work together. that doesn't necessarily mean that they can work together. this being said, i also don't think that we should be completely relaxed. let's not forget that some of these parties are at this point in government. they are in governments, within the european union, they are going to be in the european parliament. this doesn't mean that they are going to be able to shape the policies that, that you're going forward. particularly if the mainstream then decides that they in fact, would really like to copy some of their ideas. so i think it's still worth being mindful of what parties we're dealing with. they might not form a nationalist international, but once you have a far right party and government,

even if it's just to say in a place like easily or hungry or the netherlands at this point, you should still probably be taking a very close smoke to what it is that they're doing there enough cash to move the market a lot of mark, thank you both so much for joining me on upfront the the the the

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