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2 generations are not lied to connect with our community and tap into conversations you weren't find elsewhere. young americans, in particular, have been extremely critical of the united states as role in the us. the stream on al jazeera he failed to get the sweeping majority. he promised voters in just november moody will now have to join a coalition to form a government. he has been accused of promoting divisive policy. so what lessons has this vote really sent to his party? and will there be change? this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program and serve any a new vendor. emoji is expected to serve another term as prime minister of india. but with a significantly reduced majority,
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you will have to partner up with other parties to form the next government is governing b, j. b is failed to win a clear majority after a 6 week long parliamentary election. and with this set back, many are now asking whether embody strategy to reshape india has backfired. we'll be discussing this further with our guess, but a reminder before that that the indian government has failed to give visas to alpha 0 as correspondence to cover this story. so we are reporting on this selection from outside the country here as if to some good for the the, the celebrations were loud and triumphant. the results not so much minister knew rangel motives declared victory in india's general elections. though his party must, it's majority. the city kind of economy in this, the, to the country will write a new chapter of big decisions. this is modi's guaranteed mode the got on the wood without a clear majority. the governing the g. p will have to join in alliance with
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political allies to reach the 272 seats needed to secure a 3rd term. nobody had aimed to grab 400 seats of the 543 member lo warehouse. instead, his party fared worse than in the last 2 elections, a leg i gave him all the good colored. yeah. it seems like monique of a shock. we believe that his policy work as well. i was a confidential. that's why they lost so many seats. all the confidence value support from moody saw a particular drop in the crucial constituencies of which are per dash. and d, as most popular states define predictions the congress party led india lions, me to come back to their movement the government, india for decades after its independence, but lost to the b. j. b. in 201420. 19 the alliance, 1223 seats overall and described the results as a moral defeat for moody. prime minister has let the divisive
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nationalist campaign targeting muslims calling them infiltrators and embracing some of their heritage. this and discontent among the youth have been blamed for the b j . p said backs. unemployment has risen to 8 point one percent. a jump from the 6 percent recorded pre pandemic, according to figures from a private think tank. some voters say the worlds fastest growing, major economy has left out many via smith, well my bucks. so among the public wanted to see a change because of the increasing inflation and unemployment, which is why the vote has guides the national democratic and lives of victory. but with a strong opposition for a decade, the range of bodies party and popularity seem to have an unstoppable rise. 6 but after 6 week election, marius on the 640000000 ballots counted in a day delivered and unexpected roadblock. proof that the world's biggest democracy still has a lot to say. if this and getting food,
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i'll just 0 inside story that's bringing our guests and moon by i see from the a spokesperson for india is b j. p joins us will be. we're delighted to talk to you today in your daily valet, single author of the book, i yoga, city of faith, city of discord and in new york ra viagra. while editor in chief of foreign policy and author of india connected how the smartphone is transforming the world's largest democracy, a warm welcome to you. all right, mr. butler, i'll go to you 1st. it's an all day, isn't it? to be a b j. p spokesperson? because your party is the largest in india, nobody's denying that, but it itself so far short of its own target. so i was wondering what is your current level of disappointment and even concern? honestly. well, let me tell you that there is no disappointment whatsoever. i don't understand why
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all the victory is being shown as the last. yes, i understand the expect patient off the people of the country and of the board of us was definitely more than what we were supposed to the full so far. so good exam we were, we were supposed to positive examination with a 90 percent box, but before unfortunately it wasn't 75 percent. but that still falls into a distinction. but there are, there are all those who have a lot less than a 100 big balls and the big got you. i mean, i the, you know, just the way the quarterly but okay. yeah, let's play i. yes. please. he's like, you're suspended this put me in did politics. i know, but uh so i think you already know the answer. this is or relative to expectations . the expectations for the b, b, j. p were set by who were said by your prime minister under end, remotely. a campaign slogan, was this time go for 400? i beg your pardon, i'm sure the translation it is an exact but you know,
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the slow you're talking about go for 400 days, but i just finished. i'll just finish which is a super majority in parliament. right? those were the expectations. that's how high they were set. they were set by mister moody himself. okay. and obviously you, you completely failed to meet that you in fact lost your absolute majority. that's why i ask you a question about disappointment? no, i learned about this please. if you give me a parent at that time, we expected full on this and why shouldn't be? it's always good to be a domestic. okay. certainly there are some strong company or there was, there was some issues in terms of deliverables. so the, the, the, the, the people of the country has given us a monday. now the people of this country was done it by the beach. i pick a mandate. they have may be given the aligned as a mandate, but the b j b tell the, it's all this you get lies. what does the, what is your position, the column,
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this is dr with a 100 they had or did that they will get more than 3. i've been just because they didn't even the most you manage to get on. but the worst thing to your advantage to, again, as relevant stations, they almost uh, is it your, they'll position, they'll know the number of seats nobody expected them to when they did better than forecast the b, d p did a lot less well than forecast. so it's relative to expect on the forecasts for their own part d. all chill was above 200. let me tell you this. i don't know if you are, you should have this introspection of the. ringback but they all jumped the document managed to get a 100 seats, but it's just the color. okay. x number of she's done. if it is good, if it does, is it a one bedroom? because the india part of moving a part of the bar, let me be a bit of a strong opposition or something with the bob been done upon be as always been on
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the fall. i tell you, this is a lot of our future is up on the be able to stop this moment, not from today from now. i do show that we will come back next time to bottle, but much bigger now, but i'm a much better. 6 the think i can assure you i just posted on the mortgaging that's, that's 5 years down the line. so let's, i'd rather talk about now and how we got to where we are. um, uh, validate, just just so we get this out of the way. is there a scenario? is there a universe because the render moody has not yet been sworn in as the next prime minister, where he isn't the leader of the b j b? and i think, i mean a, the, but i think there's a lot of possibilities. so positively bad possibility remains. all right, it looks extremely unlikely, but anyways, okay, this is going to be so on this bottom left uh for the foreseeable future. okay. um,
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much of our discussion i think is, is really going to be about how we got to this. why was there a disappointing showing for the b j. p? because for 10 years, no end remotely. a seemed politically speaking, bullet proof, and now he isn't. what i understand is probably a bouquet of reasons, but volley on your end. what would be the single biggest reason why the b j. p has had a disappointing showing in these selections, and i think it's about we have to go region wise. and if the focus on rather the biggest, dennis time i've come to the beach it be from in this election, that would be the state of with the probation that would be model. so. and then we have very low expectation performance and baseband goals. in all these, please stay there is a common common negative. i mean the, the fact that there was of serious believe i'm
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a lot of people that the constitution might be change of the be to be get support under. don't anything read close to it that i think did have any effect kelly. besides this bees sort and schemes are be the be the end of the shot to install this without any pension, etc. for people who joined the army, it's part of the navy that all the still created a lot of resentment and concern among the youth in particular. and this data with the bases. as we know it has been, the city of, of the boys are solely just for the and, you know, i mean before that for the british indian, on the age of his daughter, chloe, a place which hasn't been sending and songs. and it's, you know, children to, to join the army, then fight for the country on a different borders that also had an effect. and of course, as people and your story also, i mean either i can go down and listen to not the of the reasons, but there's over confident the standards that maybe, you know, the, despite the things that it can do anything, it's invincible. and people generally do not like braggart, so i would,
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i would say, but they're like that that. okay, so you practice the, we've given this, you've given this 3 big reasons here, fear by indian voters that the beach epi would change the constitution to the changes they've made to recruitment into the military service. so for contacts, for our viewers, this was what happened is that the government changed the rules of recruitment such that now soldiers are being recruited for a 4 year term. instead of what would ordinarily have been a lifelong to decade, typically career, which would have given them a lifelong salary and then a pension, right? so they can no longer count on that money. and the 3rd reason you gave assistance, if i'm here, i'm paraphrasing it, you're saying hubris, right? political hubris. i'll take it over to robbie. how do the, how does that sound to you? is there anything you would add to that list? to explain why the beach ape last, so many seats. so those are all, uh, good theories. and as you pointed out, there's a likely a book,
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a of reasons that we could point to all of this. in hindsight, of course, you know, this result is a bit of a surprise pollsters. the pgp itself, the opposition? no one expected this outcome. so the bgp has one the most number of seats, but when is a, when not a when, when it really sub par of expectations that's, that's why we are where we are. i want to linger on the point about over confidence . i think mode be in particular has built a real cult of personality around himself. there is no doubt about that. he likened himself to a god. i think there are limits to how that kind of popular appeal plays out over time. and when you take a step back from not just the here and now it is, undeniably it's a big accomplishment to come back to power for a 3rd time to put that in context. hasn't been done since 1962, that we may also be reverting to the mean of indian politics since the 1980s. most
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indian governments have actually been coalition governments know the in a sense was an aberration over the last 10 years. and it would have been very hard to continue that trend, but too much longer. i mean, many of us, the surprise that it went on as long as it did, and we're searching for reasons for his popularity. so in some sense of this could be a reversion to the mean. there are many sort of structural challenges that in the face is that, you know, most of the, his struggles to deal with unemployment is quite at hi, as your report. i mentioned youth unemployment in particular point to that is something that is very high at about 15 percent higher than india's peers. average incomes are still quite low. there's a mismatch between a lot of the campaign rhetoric, for example, when movie talks up, the fact that in the, as the was 5th biggest economy, it could become the biggest economy in the next decade. that sounds great. but what does it mean for the average indian who's making 2 and a half $1000.00 a year,
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which is the, the average income in the country. it doesn't translate to much. i mean, still they're going to want to know how they can put food on the table. they're going to want to understand how they deal with inflation, which has been running high. and those are genuinely challenging questions, not just the movie, but for any politician in india, it's in some senses. i think we can see this boat as a bit of a reality check on a leader and a party which has been very dominant for a decade and under any circumstances would have struggles to continue that the longer that may be also that divisive polarizing rhetoric some of which really reached unprecedented levels in the last few weeks. this could also and should also be seen as a rebuke to that. and i also be shipping, including our spokes person who's on this panel will approach the results with some more humidity to try and recalibrate how they govern, especially with a coalition, which is going to require a movie to be a lot more nimble, a lot more consultative
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a lot more collaborative and he has ever been. okay, well let's put those things to him. i see actually before i do that, i wanted to ask you about the state that you're in to see if. because my roster as valet was telling us is one of those days where the beach i p collapse one of those, you know, big areas that the b j. p. last and that came as a surprise. he listed that along with it or production west bengal. you're in maharaj dress. what do you think would be jape? he did wrong in that state? well, uh, uh, you know, we, uh, we had in a alliance of the parties normally the but b, j b is, was accomplished. you have a 2 part d elias system, but unfortunately, last time, when we talked with this, you said that we want every one of the pieces of mandate with an absolute majority goldman. but we don't have a lot as you talked with us. but the, with the joint coordination of 5, the dish does join forces with the other over the on the other side of the face.
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but that's okay. that's good. this choice to be what, let's pioneer drive and in that situation, that's goldman could not continue because they had their own rumblings within themselves because they had, there was a diagnostic issue between those bodies that i've been de just put in both parties . so we is to ensure that the bar roster had to run. so we took the left to google, deposited the funds, the there was some clause in be adjusted, but i had to come back given a be between that much. i owe a also about getting a about a just a year and a half to show that the all the costs are just the c as in some items of, of is i. as the committee who resigned abruptly the english of the development of the body gather, i'm just and as i, as the face of the body. all okay, let me,
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let me jump in here. so so you're saying that essentially you were left hanging by potential coalition partners who defected from the coalition. but doesn't that in that case, if that was the, if you have that problem in maharaj drive, are you concerned you might have that problem on the national level because as we speak, as we record this show the end remotely is having to negotiate the terms of a coalition government with the tele buddhism, s t, d p, and j d u jen at the adult united and they've said yes we are with uh we are with the, the jp or at least one of those parties. d d p wasn't until a few weeks ago with your rivals. so, you know, if you've had an example on a local level where the coalition didn't work, this fact gives you pause on a national level. what that might mean over the next 5 years. that would be a very positive because this is not the 1st time we've gone into the lines in the foster. this is the 11th t o u n t, and i leave the beef bed bed apparently bed. but all outlines bought this for the
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fall of a lot of show you and they are due to florida on the same day, and i'm able to to redo it. but let me tell you, don't forget that this is a book case to the bottom agent. the part, the 245, and the best case scenario for the congressman just 1990 chose to the boy the question i'm trying to but we're trying to project, but we have the victorian. i live to grow up point on joe's like this. so i don't see why this was the do fish. i love her birthday, i already saw that bi partisan deformed, the goldman for the purchaser were done. no one is giving us the credit for that towards the well, i don't know, but here's why it's, it's been overlooked. but we, we know we're not trying to put the goods as we are. we have the own up for the
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goods that it doesn't happen with the body. the but do was we never a lot any of us any time in the box to the doctor. so here's your, i says, here's what's happening right now. here's what's happening right now. nobody's trying to take away credit from the b j p. what we're trying to do is learn the lessons from this election. and you've had quite a bit of talking time and you haven't offered up a single reason why in your view, the b j. p has lost steam and as long as you keep doing that, we're going to but hands because the political reality is that the pgp had 10 years ago, 282 seats in parliament right. then 3035 years ago. and now back down to $240.00 right far fewer than it had, even at the beginning of mister moody's rise, there needs to be an explanation for that. and it needs to be some kind of reckoning and accountability. and that's basically what i'm asking. i understand that i understand where you're coming from and the body itself of fox sports on do
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it 5 minutes to fix all of this. these are evaluations and permutations and combinations. all our shortcomings, basically like a bridge. we certainly have expressed that as the print shop copies. what are the shorts, what i'm asking you, what is the number one short term except for that? no, let me start with that. the shortcomings in the last on every stage as a different demographic. i different blackboard a different different uh give me just one shortcoming. that's all i'm asking for that you acknowledge that you wish to be gp. we'll do better in over the next 5 years. just one, you know, be, uh, somehow i as an individual, so that uh, on the basis of deliverables that hook dead on the boston new york. we had expected a lot of people with the allies that we made statewide. oh,
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did you just bought the b does? i did. uh what zip drive all the disney sees. uh, but i need to be added to be given justice. so maybe that is some of the reason which the body is trying to. i like, i really love to do a show that people have given the love and their life for the body they should be looked at. but rather than to do, do you don't get more important. you didn't you and come been lead us off the body is something, what's the policy is read because the language in india because be the session the session. but we sit in just by. all right. oh, okay, i'm the speak through stopped the video started at the the see david's apart the offer to resign. now, in this very moment while i'm talking to you can so you can check them tomorrow to
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see. so it's not that, as i said, we all have to work harder. nothing good at this moment. oh, okay. you're answering me in terms of the, there's a lot of sort of electro calculations. we're having part of that conversation to add to do more with policy, which is really what i'm interested in. and i think what, that's what i want to leave yours with, via you wrote this book. a yoga city of faith, city of discord. can you, there's a whole back story to it's the rom temple that was built there and that was inaugurated earlier this year. buying a render emoji. it was a great tv show. it's also where he started his campaign. can you? it's and, and crucially, um that seat that encompasses that area. a yoga where the temple is that seat was just lost by the b j. p. can you explain to us that story? i'm, i'm afraid i need you to keep it brief in really and how it relates to these collections . in fact, i would say that story in this sense, along, along with another holistic gave it to the bottom to see from where the prime
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minister is a candidate elected. so let me disclose the mine and inform our b was that in, in bad speed, the margin of victory has gone down quite a lot for the prime minister himself. and that to the point, do we not coming into a deal we uh, you know, with the brian minister and sort of senior natalie all the bell. i'm like the spotlight every year and right from the bricklaying duty nobody's doing on this day . or it hasn't been the prime minister, sort of, there's only one person, and they have all this to projected in as somebody who brought your drum to a deal. and that also did not go down, read the data it the interesting that the, the, the, the, the, the figure that the constitution could be changed and the reservation, or um, you know, mazda inspections could be removed. fiona has played a big role in the regent piece, losing i own the after, after i think 2 or 3 times,
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which is over 15 years, which is a huge taking and running. so therefore, i only know about that feed comprises of more than 50 percent of the live most grims and other backward sauces. and what vps trying to do with that you'll done using that on monday. the drum is to, can started in the, in the water bag, which they haven't managed to do. and the, you know, for the 2007 to state elections, they've done that hindus, that voltage for b, j. b of the, of what has happened is that handles of gifted and adult will receive that lives or whatever. and this is also something that the media people will do ready to actually look into why they have the last say on the and why and the question whether or not we dig into other parts of the country and more, you know, if they have lost, i don't, yeah, they must be a good reason for this gives it fun to take the alienation of local uh, you know, the whole event of the dialing lead to local resentment against the beach. agreed
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there was no for them to really address the grievances, people who lost their homes in the name of their loved them and dental. and so there was never met most people local tractors, but somewhere i would also like to say about the opposition party. you, the congress had gotten this great beat my slogan, which essentially john's didn't do that. you know, uh, we are here to open uh, open uh, sort of, you know, to basically let you know, come back splashed in this marketplace of hate. and they can be in the always, on the render on the contributing is, you know, different, the authorized and he can create it on this logan. and that i think has been a really dictated by that is that as of what you would do and something stands and we have this whole region where the color that was managed to win the opposition party, the state based party, the ones who managed to win the mediately losing 30 states, and then they also like to go into that double engine government because they don't mean to be government in the state,
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and that would be good to go in and defend despite all of that, all of that, why didn't believe that you're there, i'll swing it, the visa, what i think is going to be the last answer because we don't have a ton of time left on the, on the discussion brofy did they, you touched on devices, politics and via kind of also, blakely touched on it by saying with the yoga example that the beach, if he was trying to consolidate the him to vote, right. i'm wondering whether they also didn't achieve when they, they, they didn't also consolidate the muslim vote. a get stem. and this connected to your devices politics argument. didn't this end up backfiring in as much as the results aren't? what they would have wanted. perhaps you could say so if they purely consolidated to him to vote, that would have been enough for them to win by the way, because induce comprises 80 percent of the country's population. the beach only needs half of all those to vote for them. and they basically went in the line slide . even that didn't happen. what that tells me is that some of the rhetoric was perhaps
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a step to fight even say hindus. so when prime minister and the ranger movie cause muslims, infield traders, which i really think was a step way beyond even he has gone in the past and also time to use to make muslims in india, citizens of india, feel disenfranchised. feel like this isn't their homeland an awful thing to say. i think that must have resonated with him lose as well. who must have felt like this is a step too far? um, so in that sense, i think we have to see in that light there many things that the pgp could have done differently. it still is likely going to be the party in power, but hopefully will enter a period of introspection for them. and indian needs a strong opposition wherever your politics might lie, whether it's with the beach, it be all with the congress party or anywhere else. indian needs a strong opposition and it needs to be democratic. the democracy has been challenged in this country over the last decade. and in a sense, one way to look at this book is the people saying that they count and not polls and
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not a prime minister telling them that he's going to win and that on site. all right i, i want to think this conversation could have been longer, but thank you very much to all our guests for the time you've given us today. we really appreciate it us. if i'm a valet thing and ra viagra. well, thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website down to 0 dot com. and for further discussion, good, our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on the x or handle app age and side store for me, several of any in the entire team here in doha bye for now the the challenge is here with the
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