dependency state has spilled beyond india's borders and investigates. the nation's alleged campaign of eliminating critics on foreign soil begins the assessing nation on a jersey to is really government under more pressure to secure the release of the captive in java, off to full, but freed on saturday. there's been this new all his coalition is also on the threats of color and how list affects tools to reach a deal on top says and a safe fuss. this is inside story, the header there and welcome to the program and nora kyle full. is there any captives brought back from garza and hundreds of palestinians killed in the process on the

streets of as well, many a celebrating, but they're also demonte. oh, remaining captives be freed under a deal is what the us extra of states really pushing for when he lands in israel this week. but had come, he succeed web previous efforts have failed. with the 1st and resignation of rule cabinet member benny guns. well, as the plan can have the backing of nursing yahoos government will put all this to i guess in just a moment. first, this report from imaging came floors really hostages, free 8 months of to being taken captives for him. us and held him go to these radio peroration to release them, took place in the sere at comp. central garza kilburn $200.00 palestinian civilians the we were in the market preparing for each one of the fine vegetables for lunch. when we saw more than 20 planes over our heads, 4 headed corpses to over sell out dean and to over the sea. we were shocked. towers were right up to the ground. they did not send us warnings,

only such nothing. they were body posts spreading the streets which is to say is ready soldiers and just become consumed in a truck because the license plates an open farm palestinians will fight the jet, spoke to him about the israel's villages, to talk to one goes to the european union described as a massacre in israel many celebrated the release of the captives seeing the operation as a success. more than $100.00 captives to to remaining, garza is ready. officials believe, hold on 40 dead. the families took to the streets and tennessee, many of them demanding these ready government agreed to do to secure their release . prime minister benjamin netanyahu says he will do whatever it takes. what committed to getting the use of all the hostages. and we expect from us to release

them all, but if they don't, we'll do whatever it takes to get them all back home. nothing you all his failure to secure the release of most of the cat has on good many in his role. that's in controls to will cabinet minister penny guns. he's writing has been high. he threatened to resign on saturday. it's a government failed to adopt a new 6 point plan. he's laid out because of the following. the release of the captives he canceled in the night spent the departure by guns would be unlikely to threaten us. and y'all, whose coalition government, or it would force it to be even more dependent on ultra nationalist like national security minister. it come up and give us, he doesn't want to cease for once 3 occupied garza, that's not a cost. that would please the americans, us secretary of state blinking set to return to israel this week to push for data on the seatbar and release of captives. he's waiting for

a response from us to the light is proposal that's nearly identical to the one they accepted a month ago. the palestinians and goes a can do is wait any outcome to michael for hype, as many struggle to survive. the heaviest attacks of israel's more on the strip image and came back out to 0. the inside story the well, just before we turn to a panel for a broader discussion of all this, i want to bring in daniel lift shits, who's joining us from tele feed. he is the grandson of another captive odette left ships. who still inside garza daniel? thank you very much for joining us. first of all, can i get your reaction to staff days? events full is ready, captives and being released. how did you feel when you had the news? it was the 1st of all, i was a very happy to have a live hostages back here after a very long time. seeing the young 3 man going back. if it's something

that um was very powerful as we never knew, we flew, will ever be able to get them back to be as a runner rug. and so i think we have them here is the great in georgia for the family and for not the money, which i work very, very hard to try and make everything to release her and trying to let her mom stay alive. she have a brain cancer and mom, she's a chinese woman and she has to bring cancer. i went even to pfizer. it's a lot of the allowed to uh that you will find them. so very special medicine for her that you can see. no, and i'm very happy to know i came back in may. i had a closer to see her family back to the it's not does it give you a renewed hope for your grandfather? a dead live shit who is also held in side gauze. what have you heard from him over the past 8 months?

so firstly, we thought that my grandfather is uh, dead. betsy was married. there is on october 7th because uh 5 theories reached home as my grandmother said. and when my grandfather tried to hold the handle of the functions of the salt 5 bonus de one intro to him, the master is dragged him outside. my grandfather is a one of the biggest, besides decency, in the world, uh dead. the solutions i call him, does he need everything for the minorities and even to uh, guidance from uh guys up to the to make um treatments for p montero being the hospitals in eas, rollinback, a foldable is a life of going suspense. and on october 7th, he was laying down by the house unconscious. any injured but then there really as hostages on the 1st be able to watch them saturday saw him in gaza, one of them sign with a white color. be injured next to her. she said that um,

he was looking very bad but probably be the 2 people in the treatment. and another hostage came back. she said that she'd been there for 6 months, up to $55.00 days. she was released. so imagine every day of treat and he's she said that he was with her for about a months and then that he fain key of the blood pressure issues. and if he didn't get any medicine there, and since then we have nothing about him. so i really don't know anything about my grandfather for about 7 months now. and i can't imagine that to my grandfather, he's there. he's the guy in the deed. everything. everything for the coins, these things and that piece, the tables, me are all spill. i have 35 hostages from the woods, the road, the community that really folds a lot for the quite these can send for the right of the publish the ends at the end of the year. because i do, i do need to just get another question into and we recognize that was a cost of phone calls the celebration inside as well. but it did cost the lives of

moving $270.00 palestinians. i'm interested to know you and others around you think about that cost. so 1st of all, it shows how somebody is making people, human shields everywhere, everywhere. and that is the great. so for me that see billions died there. and another thing is that all really more than a week ago, the agreement came from these rarely signed into the approved by the u. s. egypt. the costs are entered to have been deal. is that the from us would say yes or maybe a week ago that would never happen because we will already inside a ceasefire and saw the security. so hostages, a pass of a lot of humanitarian a you to gather. and that's why i call her my to stand and say yes, but the agreement there is old awarded support. the g 7 support. everyone are pressing that. that is

a good deal that's view it's finishing and it's ending the software off the guidance and the software of the guidelines to m e c s. they have to say yes to be immediately. right, daniel will be discussing this by the way, the guests and just a moment. thank you very much for giving us. you'll pass no insight on wanting to stay an incredibly difficult subject. we do wish you and your family well. so let's bring in a guess. now to discuss what tanya was saying a bit further in west joycelyn, we have shown that basket and he's the middle east director of the engineered international community. the organization is also a full apiece and hostage negotiator and occupied these 2 is the mohammed dollar is a lawyer and founder of mohammed, dollar and associates. and then with level island, scott lucas is a professor of international politics at the clinton institute university college dublin. a very warm welcome to all of you guys. and as we were hearing that from daniel,

the release of full house does not cause for celebration inside israel. but the loss of lives really is being blamed on how much for using people as schumann shields is anybody talking about this cost of more than $270.00 pallets and in lives as being too high? it necessarily no one's really talking about it. it's not an issue in israel goes through the issue is the lives of the $120.00 hostages. the remaining costs are and the efforts by the government to get them out, including the continued war efforts by his will to bring down from us. we are blinded today by the trauma that we have experienced since october 7th. and we're still stuck on october 7th and it's really public in general sees nothing, almost nothing of the suffering of the palestinian people and gaza. just as i think the people in, in gaza and perhaps in most of the art world, see very little of the trauma. that is we went through on october 7th, we're stuck in our own suffering in our own sense of duty. and it's very difficult

to see on the other side. i do want to pick up on that a little bit more in a 2nd festival. scott, i just want to bring you in because it has been reported that the us was involved in this military operation. do we know how and to most extent we don't know specifics at this point of what was involved, but it's quite likely that as happens quite regularly, there were sharing of intelligence between the united states, which of course has a extensive intelligence assets and trucks of monitored from the air, in terms of sig father signals intelligence with these regulation. i suspect that in particular the effort to pinpoint the location where the house is held as part of this intelligence which we share. i don't think there was any direct american military support, you know, the visuals had more than enough firepower alfredo said to go in with this

operation. so it was providing the informational, coordinating of the information as to where exactly these hostages were. mohammed was this military operation, this massive loss of life to secure the release of full hostages, necessary it is a both of disregard of all the principles of international law, including the one that is the most important with it, which is proportionality. at the relief for is really hostages around maybe 270, but as the ends that including maybe most of the last of unions where came in this operation and that as you raised in your previous question, this is not the only that this is not the spoken about in as a society actually space and bring to the lot, i can see is a, the media eh, and there is a, the activists who are very happy about the, what they call a new view, which is getting on the cdns. and then later on getting back to the leasing for,

for his lady hostages. but if, if you want to go back to international law, i'm to, to, to the main principles of proportionality. i think what has been done as far as described by the european union and others. this is really a massacre. i mean, that is the type of course the item that you do for is that right and relieves the hostage is about getting hungry. but it stands in the way we've built that disregard for steam and civilians. this is in the get on the international law. got got signed and the ha says, but some of all the captives were killed in this operation. there's no verification of that so far. is israel taking that claim? seriously? i don't think it's it was taking the claim seriously. this is, it was still working under the premise that we've been told by our government since the beginning of the war. the only military pressure will release the hostages,

where i think it's, it's undisputable that after 8 months of where the military pressure has been proved to have killed hostages, there is no military solution to this issue to these when he boasted in conflict to the future of gaza to the question from us, there were only political in solutions to this conflict, and those are the ones that are not being pursued by the government of israel. and unfortunately, the people to be 0 are so trapped in their dilemma is that they're facing with regard to the war. no one wants from us to continue to roll gaza. no one wants to hostages to remaining garza, but there are very few coherent, rational, and answers that we have in front of us that enabled us to find a way out of this more to end this work to bring back the hostages and to end the suffering of everyone, why would you agree with that? but no one wants to allow us to continue rolling, because the only way out of this now is politically and if so,

how does that happen from here? and the only way would be politically because the military operations have been tried. this is not the 1st time we're talking about. well then what, how good use of the conflict of conflict that had started more than a century ago. i'm just continues into the, the policy and people are on the phone and direct occupation of the assistance of apartheid. now there are suffering genocide and i mean people in that position with all of this, we would love to accept that kind of reality. i'm the that's what we have seen actually. i mean the before for many, many, many times now, especially the father of the 2nd intifada and all the operations against gaza. i'm the patients in the us bank. so this is an ongoing, military occupation, oppressions the front of the scene is i resisting. i've been asking for the,

for the life for the since it's innovation for the state to look for their independence little bit. or they can find live. whether it's a 2 state solution, the most about or one state solution whereby palestinians live together on their land and their own. the equally would love to speak to the best later jewels, but, but both solutions that are on the pavement book solutions that make sense to anybody who's looking at this ongoing conflicts are actually rejected, has been rejected. and it seems will continue to be rejected by those ladies who are the ones who are controlling the entire lines from the to the see in different degrees of control. therefore, it's hard to see the way out of this. and a lot of these as they sit are trapped in this, the ongoing conflict. that's the disappointing to go back into this because we have got the us extra estate ends need blink. and making his way again to is well this

week, it's going to be tough for him to walk away. so this he wants to talk about the cx 5 deal by tuesdays fine proposal. but if anyone in this know his government going to be willing to listen to it. all right, right. now this is one of these biggest thoughts of the hostile just being freed is that it has suspended the ultimate on that penny. josh, one of the 3 members of war cabinet, had issued to prime minister netanyahu. ah, hugh, that was going to expire yesterday. and gas, it's uh if you have no way of the game here. if you have no political resolution, if you have no plan to get all the hostages back, all that i'm leaving the government, which probably would have meant early electrons. why was that relevant to the united states? because the wasn't been in conversation with benny got, you know, apart from netanyahu, they had been hoping that gas could put pressure on that. and. 1 somebody on that

now is gone, at least for the near future. so what does that mean for tony blanket? the secretary of state, he's going to israel with almost no leverage because the americans, of course, will not suspend a military it on israel. they will not call for an unconditional stage dryer. and indeed, you'll notice that the united states has not enforced the so called red line against israel fix up to say, don't want your ground assault on or off. everything else and for the aerial operations was acceptable to the volume and expiration. so why should benjamin netanyahu listen to blinking? blinking says, we really need a deal here, which involves as a ceasefire at the end of the revised i'm gosh, how the, how much power does gone still hold because he can still quit? do you think he will? and do you think it will make any sort of difference to ness and yahoo if he does? yeah, it's being reported today because it's expected to have is a press conference this evening where he's expected to announce when he was leaving the government. this will not bring down the government. nothing else still enjoys

. the majority of 64 votes out of the 120 members of connecticut. and it's the hard core right wing that will be in the, in the can i sit in the government of nothing. y'all would i expect so if guns does leave the government, that we will see a sharp increase in the number of his release taking to the st. calling for the hostage deal, then calling for new elections and what's prevented these large numbers from taking to the streets of the concert party, which is in the polls. the largest party has been part of the government to be both . didn't want to take to the states, but i expect we have a short period here. we do have a short window frame. well the, the parliament is still in session before they go for summer recess. so particularly now it's money time for these where the public to bring down this government didn't get new elections. yeah. but how do they bring down this government? they've been protesting throughout this will and even before the war that will weekly protest against mess and yahoo gosh. all right, but because the,

the hostage issue in the word has been politicized by not to know a, the numbers that have taken to the streets are large, but not large enough to convince anyone in the government that the majority of people are not behind the government. these are other people are still behind the war effort, even if the majority of them think that the deal should be taking a majority of is really still supporting. the ideal that from us can be totally defeated. and this is propagated by the propaganda of the is where the government now when god's is no longer part of the government, we may hear of a change in the tone of these where the political seeing and i expect that there will be more people taking to the streets will that bring down the government, tiger hotel and they love it. i can say you're shaking your head so you don't think that destiny all he's going anywhere anytime soon. i, i don't think that in durham is a little pressure wouldn't bring down the government. we have seen that. i've seen that prior to the war, also with the so called the military to go. so they've got to be shuttled, reform eh,

that the government was proposing and the numbers because they gave me that they were out on the seats were bigger than the star. now, most, most of these ladies are a, with the military air force. i'm with them and if that are position that i'm up against it, that only the only controversy with the government is regarding the hostages and the way to get them out. they are asking for a deed so that they can get them out and that helps continue to work. something that the promise will not accept for sure. and therefore, i don't see a we out and i don't see the government busy. the government. when it's finished, it's been due to environment. is there any pressure? the only thing that might happen is i'm going on and gradually it getting bigger in the pressure, but only if it is accompanied also with some kind of international pressure, especially from the biggest a lot in prison, which is the space, something that we haven't seen. so far it looks, if any pressure we have seen above, the gravy prime minister is getting

a big surprise the this, the problem based on the set up next month. maybe for the 1st time and this to be the 1st leader ever to address the 2 houses in his political career and is not instead of seeing how the pressure coming from the united states, we are actually seeing the opposite. so it's got to get and that puts a spotlight on blinking visits. and us pressure as well. have a note saying this and you all who is is due to address congress is shortly in the coming weeks. so that doesn't seem right as much pressure being applied the but as the election grows close to do, we expect to see volumes and ramping up the pressure to accept this these 5 deal. once again, i doubt it. now a lot of the media have pointed out that there is a significant part of the american population who oppose these mass killings of jobs. so when you talk about a specific swing state like michigan, with

a large fear of american population, it could be the one doing a bite and if the war is still going on in november. but on the other side of the ledger, much of the american political culture is still firmly. the problem is really, we're talking about the media, we're talking about corporate america. we're talking about most american politicians. and so what i think you've seen from the, by the ministration is they made their calculation, which is they're going to play their cards where they develop a found. the pro is really side of american political culture by coming in to her on the public side. now privately, they'd have been a new one to try to isolate netanyahu. they have talk, know they've been in jasper to the 3rd level, the war cabinet. youngest of all. that however is not enough. and it is certainly not enough for tony blinking the whole out. the idea that there could be some normalization of relations between the or world in israel, while thousands,

tens of thousands are being children jobs. gosh, what i just want to make a little aside here because you were t 2 negotiations to release is raney sold a deal actually in 2011. you can offer some pretty interesting insight tear of course as a very difficult different times now to back then. but how is it to the, to negotiate with hum us it's very difficult because from us, as opposed to what most people think does not increase the price of the deal that it wants. it puts out what it wants, pretty much at the beginning and holds firm to that we have seen that throughout the war where, how best has said that there will be no deal with this rule that does not bring it into the war. where's we have these really side that's saying there will be no deal with the mass that does bring that into the war. so we have it's, it's not even a problem with the lack of direct communication. there are completely a diametrically opposed goals here. and let's not forget the deal. actually. it was

killed in gaza. 5 years and 4 months before a deal was done. the deal for sylvie was on the table 6 months after he was abducted. and it took another 5 years before the parties were actually ready to make the deal. we don't have 5 years now to wait with a hostage deal with the war going on and gaza. it has to come to an end immediately . the hostages have to be brought home and there needs to be an end to this war, and this war has to be the final is ready published anymore. we can't do this again as we'll have a daughter said we've been doing it for a 100 years now. for over a 100 years, the war and godson needs to be the last is really posted in more mohammed los thought to you. will this be the last policy then we'll and how will it end? i mean, it says likes, it's quite 3 or the international community, the you that i have a lot of space,

but and i, the nation's most out of countries, almost every one in the world knows what the solution is directly declared is the solution to be a 2 state solution, many are no coding for a one state solution, but either or those are the solutions that are conducted to finish. i need kind of picking a more rewards, i'm more willing to do patients this. those are the solutions that are on the table . and the weird thing is that why the, the knows what the solutions are. we are not doing enough to impose those solutions or to do anything in that regard. what they are doing is to lift it up to date it, well, i've seen certain things that are happening, some pressure being exercised. so the bible on weapons to is really is something there's a couple of international or reply to collisions. what is that? but all of this is not enough to bring an end to this,

but maybe the longest conflict in modern history. and to enable both people to live peacefully side by side or together, which were right for everyone. but it's enough room for the 2 people in the same place where they can live a dignified life in the equality and in peace and freedom. okay, and on that note we will have to and our discussion many thanks to all guess from joining us to hesitate. gosh, i'm basking. mohammad dot net and scott lucas. i was like you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website that's out. is there a dot com for further discussion to you guys? well, facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. you can also join the conversation on x on homeless at a inside story. from me laura karl, i'm the whole team here. it's by send out the

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