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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a. then the african national congress is govern south africa since the end of apartheid in 1994. but the policy of nelson mandela lost its sweeping majority last month's general election. it's now being forced to share power with political opponents of the days of co creation tools. so what challenges lie ahead to make this new partnership work and with anything change for south africans who are bringing on guessing the moment. but 1st this report from laura on march. ready it was crunch time for south africa's president serial on the post. as paula mintz convened on friday, he'd finalize it to you to form a coalition government off the days of tools. his african national congress has been the most popular policy for 3 decades. it still is bought for the 1st time,

lost its outright majority in last month's general election. the must not dialogue that should lead to a social compact. the major challenges, unemployment didn't equality, poverty facing south africa. the cape towns convention center has to be preparing for the 1st the thing with a full 100 men, but national assembly bought for from the political elite. it is in townships like book like the sort to change the ballot skulks, there's no infrastructure. there's no to the electricity is cut it off and the liking that adults is not the right south africa has been struggling with the sluggish economy and has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. many in the township sol, hope and former president jacob soon was new policy known as m k. it's game $58.00 seats, but zooms said he would fully caught the 1st poem and resisting claiming the votes

with rick. president robert pose had given an open invitation for old policies to join the coalition zullie nationalist in top of freedom policy. with one of the 1st join. we wouldn't buttons to page in the government definition of unity for the sake of our country. and for the sake of our p for center, right, democratic alliance game, the 2nd highest number of seats, bonds, the phone. if you cannot make freedom fly to said it would not join the coalition with the t a. we reject this government with able to think it deserves for as long as it points in white supremacist. it points in i've done that a don't. it's now going to be a big job to bridge the ideological gap between the coalition policies. i'm deal with white so many in the country, lost confidence in the a and c, nor homes inside story. i'll just there on the what i was bringing, i guess,

now that old joining us from south africa. we have in johannesburg, pauline backs africa program deputy director of the international crisis group in pretoria, lockheed my table a c o of the sink foundation. and then get back in the east and cape provence on gum and tim lecture and political analyst at nelson mandela university. welcome to old. if i could stop then with pauline. so 1st of all, how much of a seismic shift is this? pauline? what we've seen in, in friday's parliamentary session with for the 1st time, one policy does not have. and that will allow me majority. yes, absolutely. is the democracy. i would like to know the size of a government just nationally used before actually between 19941997. well, so the guy from the party was part of the guns. and what we're looking at today is

and call dish. and that's not mean there's a coalition, is a government nationally, you can see and it has the partners now and some smaller parties may join. so very interesting to see how that's gonna work out something foley. and it's a bit different from 1994 because of the number of seats the amc has this time. right? yeah, absolutely. of course you know, the price you'll become team as drop down to 40 percent. so with the share the positions with the numbers and our team members, so it is much more unique as it has been in us. and it will we subdivision of our so it's pretty no power. so c o n d c parties. all the tools are comfortable, so i think this set up receive today, i guess how does the musical partners will be more comfortable in the future?

let me take it to on gamma and i'll ask this question, how much of a shock to the system? is it that the election of a president and the 1st the session of parliament off the an election is no longer entirely, purely just a formality. it is a big shot. so it has taken 2 weeks to determine whether the can be a successful election of in the amc president. remember, the issue says buttons to manage all position parties that are coming together and i've had to find each other in order to guarantee that when they will come to the national assembly today, they would like to speak and they will be elected president as well as a deputy speaker who can be able to turn to to, to cause

a new pod for the country. it's taking a lot because you both intend to be within the amc, the whole position for this move because remember i do logically, it's a pause checkbox. acknowledge i sent that, i'd shift for the agency, whereas the amc says has the got it and says as a discipline false often that mostly with a sense as the policy sent on f, this the policy out so that we're able only this morning by the way, to have both the main opposition or let me say yes, main or position the democratic lives confirming that today's announcement with the n c. and the amc. much later confirming that they've got this agreement. it shows you how much of a saw a shop to the system. it was and out difficult to glass to actually have these totally accept that. this is the way for it that they want to present it to the country. okay, let me bring in lucky and of course we're talking now and recording this as pile

them in is meeting but won't do make. so file of house move lead the process of day one is going choosing the president, choosing the speak of the deputies because there was some concerned about whether details deals will be flashed out in time. what do you make of it so far? think to look at the, the instrument type 2. i see mentioned in south africa, it's a consensus of the establishment the establishment and we should never return to the country. as most publishers doesn't establishment, that is the end of this publish mode to split the inside of interest to you and have those thought today. but before my trouble, i'm in that position and i'm sort of as an alternate just to them. so what is the process been able to, to move on to the site and go to the next level unit and i want to make it clear

this government of elections. i mean, it is not the same as the one that had, but the mentor mentor, i'm back now some of the while was hoping to get to the bottom. i'm going to measure just to give that prompt intrusion in the closest region of bank. and by doing so, the application to do the best number to the the elite got all the gauge and there's a mentioned that it didn't cause obligation, but political parties to get into the bus. and that you need to continue your company for the color of the time period of the moment is the most pain waitress hall and agencies has to my journal entry, which is for the most part that comes up, the thing is the printed to present the lancer's been printed packaging combined, but this is the time of the additions, the time overloading, my brother,

to pause to be headed by loudly. well, i want to get into the quote room issues and the, and k, and i'm in a moment button for oh, i can see on demo wants to come in. i'll let you have a quick come in on this one on gamma. yeah, so the pointed to excited to say moving to the big coordination is because is different. the country was on a nice edge if you like, when there was 2 big blocks that we had come, pay me to central office after the election because i'd love to get a blog that styles it says, but as of i think kind of left is the blog, but the thought is truly been in power for the longest time in the democratic good and business function on its own. now it's actually coming across as though it is a leftist blog, isn't deduction goes to what the to fee is. uh, as a black him is it dominantly back black country ways with the democratic alliance

could just, you know, be anti black comments policy i'll group. but these option b, as we can see from the evidence of the policies that have been put todd from these parties, none of them has actually stuck with that policy. i'll look at, at least as far as the agreement that pc is concerned. so right, so, so, so, so because i have to choose between i that and the impression of potential good to go nets and improve in the state capture and motion that's done. says that styles and says as the kind of and all the time it takes, all right, we'll go go. we'll also get him to policy issues and what it means to the country in the moment. but i want to take a step back before we go that fall and take the question to pauline. what does today's session? what does 5 a session say about constitutional change? the constitution, the system itself, the ability of the amc to respect the constitution and transition have all being

tested and all past. the said today my interpretation of what time today is the so it's very south of democracy, the calls the ac, wanted to uphold the constitution. and it's very a g i c, which is how much does it cost you to so party in a sense anyhow? so most of my work will teach today should say things i'm not showing up and continue to is, is just for the license were raised and it says it's quiet so and it's sort of neary fees to her. and for the end sheets have been able to put together, it has gone just national unity in 2 weeks. have spoken with all the parties in questions including the k has to be. so you just reached out to everybody and they haven't boxed you come to the premiums, which until today nobody knew what was going to be. so if it's extraordinary,

as usual, the oil and a sense of unity as desirable praise was reflections. i'm talking to the front of is resisting. mm hm. all right, let me, uh, take the question so lucky. the pulling mentioned the m k policy's position while they failed to the rail friday session. is this the end of it, or do they still have the potential to try and disrupt further work going forward? what seal take on it on the mess? no, it is got the n j by mid beginning of the mission and that's the purpose. it is not the binding of the restitution. the test, the election to this house is not the web. do you want to upset? so the testing but not going good because as we speak now, then participated in the big the shuttle aspect. so aspect of the constitution that are happening in the country,

i have not seen them before about the position themselves and having kind of alternate to be more opposed to their constitution contributor. so then the calls additional on the also thought i'd call this model. what kind of thing is the political order? because for the 2 minutes i'm still difficult to come to the so i just wanted to clear that the should not present. and can you hear me better because i'm to close the additional door. ringback not ever been delivered. okay, good, good point. lucky advocated that was a problem. let me know that you didn't lose the majority, but i friends and the wants to have that statement on it for me to say i cannot amended was intrusion unless i have the truth about the constitution. why up and that does the higher school spend 20 patricia. all right, and so putting

a bit of the question of a spotlight more on the political process going forward and precisely on that point and gamma. what does today's session on friday session? tell us about how different the process of ruling a country is going to be going forward compared to what we've been used to in the past. the 2 things about that. so enough, because a dominant parties is deemed in terms of which, if you wanted to decide to publish a direction of government programs, only one party was important. and also, you know, and the co side of the consultation process is that, that we seen, it says because remember, the aims is a type of tied to lines made up of the amc or the center, a center left because of, of trade unions as well as the a, c, h edit, the south african communist party. now you've added a pro market party in that back, so he's going to make things a little difficult. as far as thinking about the policies and programs are

concerned just on the books. we mentioned the government dose of africa, assigned him to low a, be left for the nation on the health insurance and the democratic alliance bucks. now we partner with government in that process, pet swan to take that kind of process and challenge it in court. but as a oh so what does that mean? what does that mean and got a co it should we expect more deadlock with the decision making process much more delicate? well, the, the a and amc. they've been opponents for so long. there are on different an ideological and so different ends of the audiological scale, right. what are we going to see now? it is the to the, is the, the location of that difference outside of the nation. i left family to pa to pointed to kind of process, is that going to be a complex process is outside of the assembly also because you've bought these and you know, this and left allies of the agency also have to play

a role in decision making. but i think what we must have on the estimate is the potential to build things to intrusions of the state. so i think that was involved in what you would call and you can construct societies, both conflict with construction and then state building of that there was an onslaught on state institutions. be the prosecutorial, or in fact, at the institutions of government which way you know, which would've made it to be in effective by creational side to institutions. so i think that before that, or that the full for that aspect stains is going to be both died and it's not going to have that internal position that was holding it back comes to building kind of the institutions. if we are to take the democratic lives in good faith as far as they are coming to be able to institutions this concept. maybe we should ask the

question and take a slight step back and ask lucky, have all the details really being worked out for a government of national unity? how. how do you see the orientation of this government going forward or other still question marks? i think if you will, we will accept a good practices better way before this issue of the government, the next money you need to obtain the so leslie bush is doing what we call the talk to them. sometimes the parents, we did some supplemental appearances where the president watched the items to be the dislike in case we had to do a cooperation. and what else to what all that i know of them. i could have been above the confidence in supply. we just looked up the size, but there was the what's the, what's back,

the progress of the post bed. what's the best interest date where we have something called the literally demand kindly except a government the will be as for those, for as long as the say was in the what is it to be positive? probably the 15 plus the charter a know got there already coming to give me the ducks or something. i do do that. i repeat the call, we get the bill for the free to do. the amc is put in bold on each one. the keywords for the video game, the missions i'm going to start the head brittany limit is. legislations, but the opposition to bring what they call them. that's beautiful. what brought so why don't separate involves the kids are just getting to the higher ed. returning

back to 94 and brittany brittany fall, there was a good idea. let's go through spectrum now before 1 pm to launch detergent. and what is the best way to go? but what does it mean in the best mailing address? that is what is going to be good news. one issues understood was one of them going to be i to, to go and, and we mind here to the next the lecture, right. the fact is, the amc magnet. exactly. and for level stash in my little come back in the next election. pauline is based, a government i'm just digesting now was lucky was saying. and i'm wondering, given what he was saying, is this really a government of national unity or simply a multi policy coalition arrangement of a marriage of convenience and a couple of issues to solve. so there's a marriage of convenience and we can solve

a little differences, but it's also the economy to a large extent that has large stadium companies. but if you study more economy, uh, of course, the centrist is much more price is much more conservative. how much will probably business if you will be a to see if not, i'm sorry, business and the agree. others? my assumption that they need to push for the gross, the economy has really been those and, and their kids were sold as a a service. or of course the steps need to be taken to the car. the tell me can call them problem. sorry. one second car or find use the other issue such as for the policy, you know,

that kind of thing. i would expect that the da has more than the full in order to accept the visual students with the ac. i'm glad i like how you segue those into talking about actual policy implications of this new government on gamma. what should we expect from this coalition, which is emerging in the 1st session in parliament on friday when it comes to key things like corruption, wealth distribution, the provision of basic services, unemployment and so on. so i'm going to say what i'm gonna say of bearing in mind that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. absolutely. and the, the, the if you look at the west in cape and you compare it with the last of south africa as far as clean governance into the end of the pods. from the auditor janera . the western cape, which is being governed by the democratic alliance,

has been among the best performing municipalities and of the provisional government departments when it comes to accountability and transparency. and then also that has been less real quick on the pulse of corruption. even the wisdom came, come back to the rest of the country. now that hot springs to cartoon, do you think that the, for example, will be able to move ahead on its promise on things like establishing a new chapter 9 institution to come back corruption. and so on. so the n c was already on a trajectory off rebuilding the prosecutorial aspects of law enforcement in south africa. and i think that to the mutual commitment without the political being held back by a fiction inside the amc, that was opposed to some of these because of the fact that the bar right to saw by the leader is going to be both aware of for the full force of africa by 12 that's

going to be without it's old for the kids. all right, we've got about a couple of minutes left and i want to try and squeeze in a question to lucky and ask this one. and to get a lot about domestic issues, what about foreign policy? it was well known, of course, the amc has a history of alliances and strong relationships with groups all around the world and forces less. this forces seen as anti colonialist forces, very strong relations installed to south africa took under the and c on the palestinian issue. is any of that going to change will be impacted by this new coalition that somebody searching a says do stuff i have to do because i've been dealing with you yesterday. the 2nd time and treatment and i look the it's the has made it. yeah. you also have better reset the button. that means publish. another 1000 is not going to abandon his bunch of them have us back. but what the, what the weather should know is that this is position of the cars that have

dependents, that well, extra, an interesting of, it's mentioned that it didn't because of the dates, which mode is constitutional. all the books, additional, all the of the have see, it says, i want to kind of see all the things i bought, all the adults, including the association and the law. so the cleaning of the children, and in casa and everything. it says something about the amount as well. so this is model softball game. for example, the processing purely based on the relationship with vio, buttons. so putting it on the, this is of the snow, but the good sense of this dental. so definitely don't have to do is defy the text message into those. right. which is. yeah. so that, that won't change even to give the crowd to pushes dot integrated quite a bit,

send me all the functionality in terms of the battery goods. what should be the one by the attrition of sort of good go and there's no way to me, which is great. i do at case that i to live on the machine to the killing of children by the name of the people. and i guess the, the forces that is not going to choose something to happen, right. ok, find the want to polling. does this mean listening to walk out of the guest on the show? same the and see, so going to cool a lot of the shots, of course, because it's still the whole city is still the biggest part in the countries. um and uh, you know, the letters were uh, wait a whole sort of sense and, and this results we have today with the government does not show you the g shows to me. and she wants to sort of make sense as many as ways to solve. instead of, you know, getting more serious about why do garage and then income and governance as governance

records. um, so i mean, like for me, so we're fully on site for the policy. i'm pretty sure that the ac will retain this . i don't think there will be all positions for the d a, a fire is important for j. c. it has rated findings, fingers to several people at the same place. and then in the a much i will have to show that things have actually gone nationally and not just in worst case might be likely to look forward for you. so i have this by her showing up as a physical veteran which, which is the vision with government. it's very hard to see the agent actually, this is all right, 5 routers. so i'm going to have to think a guess though, for an excellent discussion. thanks very much to pulling backs. lucky my table and on gum a tim, and thank you for watching it and see the show again. any time by visiting our website, i'll just say a dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook

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