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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a. then the african national congress is galvan south africa since the end of apartheid, the 1994. but the policy of nelson mandela lost its sweeping majority last month's general election. it's now being forced to share power with political opponents off the days of co creation tools. so what challenges lie ahead to make this new partnership work and with anything change the south africans will bring in on guessing the moment. but 1st this report from laura on march 8 was crunch time to south africa's precedent serial. on the post, as paula mintz convened on friday, he'd finalize the toyota film accomplishing government, often days of tools. his african national congress has been the most popular policy the 3 decades. it still is bolts for the 1st time,

lost its outright majority in last month's general election must know dialogue that should lead to a social combat during the major challenges, unemployment and equality, poverty facing south africa, the cape towns convention center has to be preparing for the saw sitting with a full 100 men, but national assembly bolts fall from the political leads. it is in townships like bulk, like the sort of change at the ballot skulks. there's no infrastructure. there's no to the electricity is cut off and the liking the load is not the right south africa has been struggling with the sluggish economy and has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. many in the township sol, hope and full. the president jacob soon was new policy known as m k. it's game $58.00 seats, but zoom said he would fully caught the 1st poem at recessing,

claiming the votes with rig president robert pose. uh, had given an open invitation for old policies to join the coalition. zullie nationalist in top of freedom policy was one of the 1st to join. we wouldn't participate in the governmental condition of unity for the sake of our country. and for the sake of our poor, central, right, democratic alliance gained the 2nd highest number of seats bots, the phone, if you cannot make freedom fly to said it would not join the coalition with the da we reject this government with able to think it deserves for as long as it points in white supremacist, it points in i've done that adult. it's now going to be a big job to bridge the ideological gap between the coalition policies. i'm deal with white so many in the country, lost confidence in the a and c, nor homes inside story. i'll just share of

what i was bringing, i guess. now that old joining us from south africa, we have in johannesburg, pauline backs africa program, deputy director of the international crisis group in pretoria. lucky you must, a boiler, c o of the sink foundation. and then get back in the east and cape provence, on gamma, and tim to lecture and political analyst at nelson mandela university. well, welcome to all if i could stop then with pauline. so 1st of all, how much of a seismic shift is this pauline? what we've seen in, in friday's parliamentary session with, for the 1st time, one policy does not have the allow me majority. yes, absolutely. is the democracy. i would like to know the size of a government just nationally used before actually between 19941997. well,

so the guy from the party was part of the dogs. so what we're looking at today is accomplishing does not mean there's a coalition. it's a government national, you can see and it has the partridge now and some smaller parties may join. so very interesting to see how that's gonna work out something foley and it's a bit different from 1994 because of the number of seats. the amc has this time, right? yeah, absolutely. of course you know, the price you'll become team is dropped down to 40 percent. so if i share the positions with the numbers and our team members, so it is much more unique as it has been in us. and it will, we subdivision of our so say no viruses, c o n d c, barclays, all the charter, comfortable. so this set up receive today, august,

hope that the musical part will be more comfortable in the future. let me take it to on gamma and i'll ask this question, how much of a shock to the system? is it that the election of a president in the 1st the session of parliament off the and the election is no longer entirely purely just a full mouth? see, it is a big shot. so it has taken 2 weeks to determine whether the can be a successful election of in the amc president. remember, the issue says buttons, pool, major opposition, parties that are coming together and i've had to find each other in order to guarantee that when they walk into the mission of assembly today, they would like to speak. and they will be elected president as well as the deputy speaker, who can be able to to, to, to, to cause

a new pod for the country. it's taking a lot because you both intend to be within the amc, the whole position for this move. because remember, i do logically, it's a plus check, that's 6 miles i sent that i'd shift for the agency. whereas the agency itself has the got it and says, as a disciplined false, often that mostly with a sense has the policy sent on that is defined as the outlook so that we're able only this morning by the way, to have both the main opposition or let me say yes, main or position the democratic lives confirming that today's announcement with the n c. and the amc much later confirming that they've got this agreement. it shows you how much of a saw a shop to the system. it was and out difficult to blast to actually have these boldly accept that this is the way forward that they want to present it to the country. okay, let me bring in lucky and of course we're talking now and recording this as pile

them in is meeting but won't do make. so file of house move lead the process of day one is going choosing the president, choosing the speaker, the deputy speak, cuz there was some concerned about whether details deals will be flashed out in time. what do you make of it so far? think to look at the instrument back to i see mentioned in south africa, it's a couple things i saw, the establishment, the establishment now. then we should never return to the country. as most publishers doesn't establish that as google. and that this publish mode is building itself into 2. you'd have those thought today, but for me to cover them in the position themselves as an alternate to them. so why does the president the been able to,

to move on to select a government the next level unit, and i want to make it clear this government of elections. i mean, it is not the same as the mentor, mentor and but most of them all the while was hoping to gain could buy them. i could imagine just to give that product intrusion in the position of a bank of bank. so the connection to the government, the russian other, the dog, you've got all the goose and there's a mentioned that didn't cause obligation, but political parties to get into the bus. and that you need to continue competing for the color of the tiny bit of the woman is the most pain waitress hall. and amc has so much on the board which is for the most part that comes up, the thing is printed to present the lancer's been printed packaging combined. but this is the time of pushing the visions that kind of overloading my learning to

pause to be headed by loudly. well, i want to get into the quote room issues and the, and k, and i'm in a moment, but before, oh, i can see on demo wants to come in. i'll let you have a quick comment on this one on gum. yeah, so the politics are the same, even though the big coordination is because is different. the country was on a nice edge if you like, when there was to big blocks that we had come, pay me to central office after the election because i'd love to get a blog that styles. it says, but it's the kind of left is the blog. but that is truly been in power for the longest time in the democratic good and is friendship on its own. now it's actually coming across as though it is a leftist blog, isn't deduction goes to what the to fee is. as a black, as a dominant, the bad black country waves with the about the democratic alliance could just,

you know, be anti black comments policy out. but these action b, as we can see from the evidence of the policies that have been put todd from these parties, none of them has actually stuck with that policy. i'll look at, at least as far as the agreement that pc is concerned. so right, so, so, so, so, but it does have to choose between i, that's an impression of potential good nets and improve in the state capture and quite ocean that's done. so that's styles. and so as the kind of an alternative, all right, we'll go go, we'll also get him to policy issues and what it means to the country in the moment . but i want to take a step back before we go that fall and take the question to pauline. what does today's session? what does 5 a session say about constitutional change? the constitution, the system itself,

the ability of the amc to respect the constitution and transition have all being tested and all passed the rest of the day. but my interpretation of what time today is the so it's very south of democracy, the calls you want them to uphold the constitution. and it's very, a g, a piping which is most essentially constitutional party in a sense anyhow. so most of my work i'll teach today should say things i'm not showing up and continue to is, is just that the license were raised. i need to stay just as quiet. so when i started and they refused to happen for the end sheets have been able to put together, it has gone just national unity in 2 weeks. have spoken with all the parties in questions including the k has to be. so you just reached out to everybody and they

haven't boxed you come to the premiums, which until today, already knew what this was going to be. so if it's extraordinary issues or well, a sense of unity as desirable praise was reflections. i'm talking to the front of me is resisting. mm hm. all right, let me. uh, take the question so lucky. the pulling mentioned the m k policy's position. well, they've failed to the rail friday session. is this the end of it, or do they still have the potential to try and disrupt further? we're going forward. what c will take on that? and the mess? no, it is got the m t by mid binion permission unless it meets a protest. it is not the binding of the situation, the test, the election decides it's not the web. do you want to upset? so the testing by level covering the because as we speak about then participated in the big the shuttle aspect. so aspect of the constitution in the country,

i have not seen them before about the position themselves and having kind of alternate to being more opposed to their constitution contributor mc, southern coles. additional on the also call this model of the political order because of the treatments. i'm still good to go to come to the so i just wanted to clear the should not present in case to you of the benefits of to quote the additional, the truth not to do the, the, uh, delivery zip codes. okay, good, good point. last, they advocated that it has a problem. let me know that you did lose the majority, but i sense of the wants to have that statement done and totally be say, i cannot amended goods, intrusion unless i have the majority deductibles, which, which is a good while. and that does the higher school,

and we spend patricia. all right. and so putting a bit of the question of the spotlight more on the political process going forward and precisely on that point and gamma. what does today's session on friday? so she told us about how different the process of ruling a country is going to be going forward compared to what we've been used to in the past. the 2 things about that. so enough, because a dominant party system in terms of which, if you wanted to decide to publish the direction of government programs, only one party was important. and also, you know, and the cold side of the consultation process is that, that we seen it says budget member, the aims is a type of tied to lines made up of the amc or the santa alice center left because of, of trade unions as well as the a, c, h edit, the south african communist party. now you've added a pro market party in that back, so he's going to make things

a little difficult as far as thinking about policy and programs are concerned just under what fee mentioned the government us on last week i assigned him to low a be left for the nation on the health insurance and the democratic alliance bucks . now we partner with government in the process, ted swan, to take that kind of process and challenge it in court and, but as i oh so what does that mean? what does that mean and got a co, should we expect more deadlock with the decision making process much more delicate? well, the, the a and e amc. they've been opponents for so long. there are on different an ideological and so different ends of the ideological scale, right? what are we going to see now with these? the 2 is the, the location of that difference outside of the nation. i left family to pa to pointed to kind of process is that going to be a complex process is outside of the assembly also because you've got these a,

you know, this left allies of the amc, but also have to play a role in decision making. but i think what we must have on the estimate is the potential to build things the cushions of the state so difficult was involved in what you would call. and i've been going to construct societies both conversely, construction and then state building that there was an onslaught on state institutions. be the prosecutorial all in fact, as being institutions of government. which way, you know, which would've made it to be an effective by creational side to institutions. so i think that before that the full for that aspect states is going to be both died. and it's not going to have that internal position, but was holding it back, comes to building comfortable institutions. if we are to take the democratic lives

in good faith as far as the outcome intended to be able to institutions this concept. maybe we should ask the question, take a slight step back and ask lucky and have all the details really being worked out for a government of national unity. how. how do you see the orientation of this government going forward or others still? question marks. i think if you will, we will separate the princess moving away before this issue of the government the next morning you need to change the so leslie bush shifting what we call the tech shooters and sometimes the parents. we did some supplemental appearances where the president watched the p, the side in case we had to do a cooperation of what else to worry about. and there was a, i could have been above the confidence in supply. we just looked up the size, but there was the was

a good back put the put bread. look the best interest state where we have something called the big demand kindly except the government. the 2 will be as follows. for as long as the say, why don't they need to be positive? probably in the mid t plus wants to try to a know got the equipment to do with the confidence of sup. uh, that is the do do that. i repeat the bill for the to the x. the answer is put in in bottom line is the one that i came with. so the data you gave the dimensions. i'm going to happen. the limit is, legislations, but the vision to bring what they call them. that's beautiful. what brought so what

is the amount that the kids are just getting into that i have 1994 and brittany brittany fall. there was a good idea. let's go through spectrum now before the one to have the constitution . and what is the type that's really good representation in the past? that is what is going to build new wireless use. and the idea, richard go and governs and we mind here. the next the lecture arrived at the practice and the amc magnet, exactly at the level start in my little conversion in the next election. pauline is based the government i'm just digesting now want lucky was saying. and i'm wondering, given what he was saying, is this really a government of national unity or simply a multi policy coalition arrangement, a marriage of convenience. and the goal is to solve. so there's

a marriage of convenience and we can solve the differences, but also the economy to relax extended has large stadium company. but if you said tomorrow economy, uh, of course the a is dentist, is much more price is much more conservative. how much in pro business if you will, but the ac is not, i'm sorry, business and the agree or there's my assumption that they need to push for the gross the economy has really been those that are not the case for so as a a service or of course, the steps need to be taken to the car, the towel, calling from the find to use the other issue such

as for the policy, the kind of thing i would expect that the da as for the full in order to accept the score this little unity government, which is a i'm glad i like how you segue those into talking about actual policy implications of this new government on gamma. what should we expect from this coalition, which is emerging in the 1st session in parliament on friday when it comes to key things like corruption, wealth distribution, the provision of basic services, unemployment and so on. so i'm going to say what i'm gonna say of bearing in mind that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. absolutely. and the, the, the, if you look at the west and cape and you compare it with the south africa as far as clean governance into the end of the pods. from the auditor general. the western

cape, which is being governed by the democratic alliance, has been among the best performing municipalities and of the provincial government departments when it comes to accountability and transparency. and then also that has been less through the pulse of corruption. even the wisdom came, come back to the rest of the country. now that hopper helps things to kind of, to do think that the a, for example, will be able to move ahead on its promise on things like establishing a new chapter 9 institution to come back corruption and so on. so the n c was already on the trajectory off, and he building the prosecutorial aspects of law enforcement in south africa. and i think that and the mutual commitment without the being held back by a fiction inside the amc that was opposed to some of these because of the fact that they arrived to find the leader is going to be both aware of for the full force of

africa by to say i'm going to be without, it's all for the kids. all right, we've got about a couple of minutes left and i want to try and squeeze in a question to lucky and ask this one until i get a lot about domestic issues. what about foreign policy? it was well known, of course, the amc has a history of alliances and strong relationships with groups all around the world and forces less this force as seen as m t. colonialist forces. very strong relations installed to south africa. took on to the and see on the palestinian issue. is any of that going to change will be impacted by this new coalition that somebody searching a says do steps i have to do because the didn't with you yesterday. the 2nd time and treatment of the is the has made it. yeah. you also betting you set the bundle in his possession of a 1000 is not going to abandon his portion of habits by the weather. but that's

what the weather should know is that this is position of the cars that have to pay this time. well, extraordinarily interesting, or it's mentioned that it didn't because of the dates which mode is constitutional . all the books, additional of the see it says i want the whole country and got the all the products and the premium. right. thanks. i bought all the goals, including the freedom of association of the law, so the cleaning of the children, and in casa and everything. it says something about the amount as well. so there is model softball game. for example, the drug testing purely based on the relationship with vio, but the supporting in, on the, this is of the big since august, the free time i put into is divided into those why, which is yeah. so that, that will not change even to give the credit to pushes dot y at the end

of the functionality in terms of the battery goods. what should be the one by the attrition of the go. and there's no way where does brayden i q at case that i to live in the killing of children by the end of august i took the pause. that is not going to check on that to happen. right. ok. a final one. the polling. does this mean listening to walk out of the guest on the show saying the amc so gonna cool a lot of the shots. what if of course, because it's still the whole city is still the biggest part in the countries. um and uh, you know, the lessons were uh, wait a whole sort of sense and, and this results we have today with the goal is not showing you the uh, shows to me. and she wants to sort of dimensions of amenities,

ways to solve. instead of, you know, getting more serious about 5 different options, imposing collins as governments vectors. so i mean like crucial or folios like form policy, i'm pretty sure that the ac will retain this. i don't think there will be all positions for the d a. a finance is important for j. c. it has rated finance biggest as little people like the same place. and then in the a much i will have to show that they can actually go nationally and not just in worse case might be likely to look forward for the use of a slide show or not just the physical, the vaccine which is visual is governance barrier to see the agent actually, this is all right, 5 router. so i'm going to have to think a guess though for an excellent discussion. thanks very much to pulling backs. lucky to my table and on gum. a tim and thank you for watching it and see the show

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