the by the supply chain, but we also know that there are parts of the military that would like vietnam to diversify, not to be so reliant on russia alone. of course, much of that as part of the historical relationship between vietnam and russia and the soviet union as it was back in those days. and the support of the soviet union k to vietnam was since it became an independent nation off during dependence during the american war. and afterwards, i think it's important to remember the uh, the soviet union supported a vietnam in the years when it invaded cam birdie. when it was shown by the international community, we spoke at the lots of people here in the last couple of days, who still remember russia very fondly, many of whom, whom have been educated over there over the years. and that's one of the other things that's going to be on the agenda. but i think for the most part, this is about the person being able to show that he can come to southeast asia. it's a very dynamic part as well. there are,

he is facing sanctions in many other places in vietnam. he's know, he's going to get a very warm, we've already had a very warm welcome. it's a relatively short visit. we're expecting him to leave late late. it's a nice, but i think the fact that he's here, the fact that the vietnam is able to welcome a leader of his caliber also is good for the optics of a new, the elected vietnamese president. if any pains, military is demanding, the chinese coast guard returned wife holes and equipment seized during a confrontation in his disputed area of the south china sea. as calling for reparations for what it described as the chinese side pirate. like looting, the philippines military has release video. it says shows chinese coast guard forces, boating. it's spelled and attacking the crew with axes, knives and machetes. the philippine side was delivering supplies to is grounded worship, and a disputed area of the south china sea. flash floods the northeast and bangladesh

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left the entire gaza strip and rubble with almost no food. no water. no, we're safe to go by just pop diplomats. we're in the middle east, the press on us to accept the deal in 3 phases, starting with a truce and prisoner exchangers and winding up with negotiations on a permanent in the hospital with ease. and united nations security council adopted a resolution submitted by the us in support of the deal, but differently epic levels of mistrust on all sides. will this work? today we're talking with michael hannah, us program director at the international crisis group. michael, it's terrific to see you. thank you so much for joining us. and i would like if we can, to kind of get a, a version of a reality of where are we right now on acre efforts to get a deal between how moss is real and the negotiating parties to yeah, obviously the united states has made a big bush, a big public bush, part of that was

a president biden going public with which he described as an israeli proposal. and i think that was meant to shrink the space for both parties and. ready a vice ranging the space for what they could negotiate about the effort. it was really to press the issue. obviously there's been a lot of support from egypt. sions. and the cost of uses, the kind of chief conduit to have this and we are apparently still hung up on what has been a kind of irreconcilable division on this question of permits, which has been double detox for months now. and of course, the draft has changed. previous jeff drops only talked about a sustainable period of call. and in this version of the proposal, there is discussion of the end point of the 2nd phase after very steps related to

primarily the exchange of hostages and palestinian prisoners that you would get to a permanent association of possibilities. and this is in many respects the key point for humanise and the thing that they have focused on the most and the court, the sort of the cabby out here is that they have received assurances in private for many months. that if they follow through with the steps of the various proposals that have been on the table, that the end point would be an end to war. but of course those assurances 1st relate to them from the egyptians and the categories and then being amplified in private by the united states. i have proved difficult to assuage their fears, their lack of trust, mistrust, dimension, mistrust. and so there has been concerted push for many months now by somebody

else in each of these phases of the negotiations to drill down further to get greater and greater clarity on this point that is central to how they think about these negotiations. and that is the end of the war that if they go through with this plan, if they agree to this proposal, that the, the end result of that will be kind of permits this ation. awesome. so let me just ask you about this terminology. permanent cessation of hostilities i have in front of me the words that president biden used in this and when he was describing the 1st space, which he said would last for 6 weeks, he said it would include a full incomplete ceasefire. and it puts in a bite and it saying that, and i think that's language the home us was interested in, but it's hard to find anyone in the is really government that actually agrees to that,

even though president biden says this was in his really proposal. so are we getting lost in semantics? here? are we talking about a ceasefire? is israel on board with the proposal that president biden says it was? or yeah, that's been a simple question because obviously we know what president biden set said publicly that these rounds that read to this proposal. and yet there's been a lot of discussion in public language that would suggest that israel's not fully on board talk about continuing to prosecute the war. and so the question really is whether this is an attempt to manage domestic politics, right? these really have to manage their own domestic politics. there are concerns about the coalition government or if this is really an effort to see mistrust to undermine the proposal from the start. and for us hearing these really rhetoric and

public and then hearing us and addiction and cut the reassurance as a private um, you know it's, it's not a, it's not a particularly to do see approach to trying to bridge these what have been, to date, your irreconcilable device and so that's, that's the, you know, additional complicating factor. i think for the united states, i think us officials were, were not surprised at the public rhetoric. i think they are more concerned with what happened is if they are able to get the deals started the bathroom created. so in kind of momentum, but clearly it's very helpful. it seems further mistrust. and you know, there is this question that keeps recurring. whether in fact these roads have agreed to this proposal is this is really proposal. is this united states twisting israel's are, are they fully on board reports from us is,

is witnessed all of that back and forth then. and they have their own mistrust, and that has, this is really exacerbated that so my question to you, if you're home us and you listen to, you know, tony blanket another saying hey of how much would just accept this plan? everything would be great. i guess my question is trying to understand where both parties are, what is in this proposal? do you believe that either from us or to the past thing is there, a lot of people in communication is conflict that are not part of from us who are suffering and who are victims of this conflict right now. why would they trust this proposal as well? i mean, that's a central question that the, that is, the issue that i'm asked has raised multiple times. they've asked for written guarantees, of course, not even written guarantees can assure full price. uh and, and so uh, you know, based on previous experience,

it's not surprising. i think the fundamental question that a lot of respects is whether either side is truly interested in a, in a c speier in the near term or whether both i see the politics is too complicated and, and see benefit in, in continuing and prolonging the product more i think the other innovation that we should mention in the latest proposal is, is the idea that if the, if it's total agreement isn't found on moving from one phase to the next, that the ceasefire would remain in place as long as the parties were negotiating in good faith and then this is movement in the direction of, of the proposal that mass counter with last time because there is a beer on the airport that, that israel with pocket concessions that there would be some release of hostages

that an exchange. and then at some later date, these really is would a slight differences in, in negotiations and inability to bridge divides and wouldn't resume the war. and so that's, that's the kind of the issue that's really at the heart of this. whether there is anything to compel, the 2 parties to move forward through the phases or whether is reopened. message perspective would have a sort of re hand to re engage the ward at the time if it's choosing the future. us recently, michael, i'm sure that you were aware of the news. a rock raid nearly $300.00 palestinians killed in an effort to, to secure for hostages were being held. what did that incident due to the temperature of things and the possible success of what president biden is pushing?

you know, obviously it complicates each each further step. you know, i think some assets talked about the roof, expensive the president by the rest of the administration warrant against, as, as raising their price. but they, they've seen that as creating a further difficulties for reaching an agreement. i think the worse you mention, the, the raid over over the weekend and i think it clearly, you know, it's not the sort of thing that is going to enhance trust. obviously, these are not parties that trust each other. it's been a, a brutal and prolonged ruler. and, you know, as we've seen a bridging that divide what has been irreconcilable. you know, it might actually be right. and so it might not be possible to use

a vague language to, to get, get the parties engaged in this process. and you mentioned a lot of the details in, in the proposal as we understand it. but there's a lot that's not there. it's silent on many of the biggest issues and of course that has raised its own set of concerns. you know, the vagueness is probably the strength of this proposal because it's impossible to imagine these parties agreeing on friday and even to the car tours of what this discussion looked like. things like post war governments. these really have been very reluctant or not to even engage on this question of the day after. and i have not dealt with this any realistic way. and so, you know, it's not, it's not reasonable to imagine that this document can solve those issues or even

pinpoint them. but of course, even if we got to agreement on entering the 1st phase, there is a lot that is on define there about how gaza would be the government, the border regime. so, you know, very difficult issues that come to the heart of this conflict that you know, there's very little guidance as to, as to as to how those questions would be answer. michael, how is it playing out in the region here with the air of st with the street in jordan amman, going to egypt and look in egypt? is there a strong emphasis, the strong sense of a real concern for the plight of palestinians and goss? i would even have the west bank today, frankly, given the stress there and do the regimes, do the governments in jordan egypt run risks. but by not basically say, hey, maybe we need to, to suspend our piece deal,

or maybe we need to create other kinds of pressure on israel in this moment, which neither has done. uh, but i'm just wondering about that divide and how fragile the neighborhood is given what's happening in guys. yeah, i think you're absolutely right. now, i think it finds people have a perhaps underestimated how live an issue this is. they have taken the actions of governments. we've seen obviously egypt 1st and jordan and then the normalization agreements that have come to be known as the abraham accords with the u. a. e and last name and the kind of very live discussion on saturday. normalization is indicating that, that really the region has moved on, that the conflict is only going to be managed and sports and that it has been new to it. it's gotten some political significance, had been new to or, and, you know, i think that's not true. we've seen signs of that that is not true and there is

still particularly popular level, a great deal of empathy, solidarity outrage. the palestinian cause is important to eric's, it's important to the world and to many people globally, we see the way in which this conflict has overtaken the global agenda and that speaks to its unique political significance. so i think it's a mistake to underestimate that. i think the 2nd point is that in the region is concerned about the regional. ringback about escalation that, that we've seen happen incrementally over time, whether it be in the west bank, whether it be in northern israel, southern lebanon, but also the rock in syria. also in, in the red sea, with the stepped up the tax by the fees and power strikes and government. and so the, the region is, is also a, i'm very concerned about the possibility of

a much wider, more and more frankly, that if it escalated those kinds of steps that really couldn't be possible if you saw his bottom line is real, engaging and all that work award that withdrawn the united states. so you know, that's the other piece of this. it is a great concern and of course for the resumes looking on it is comforting. and i think it, it further highlights the gap between these very cold pieces between egypt and jordan. uh and uh, you know, the fact that it is, it is a kind of peace between uh, security sectors. it is a, it is an absence of conflict in war, but there is no social people to people, dimension to, to these piece agreements. and you know, that this conflict has this outbreak has, has really further hiv to let me read you. something that president biden told time magazine last month, he said there is every reason for people to draw the conclusion that netanyahu is

prolonging the war for his own political gain. i'm just interested in your spots on what you do if he is really prime minister politically in personally, is the beneficiary of ongoing tensions as you've got biden and everyone else trying to calm things down. get to that sustain comment you just talked about. we've seen over the past months how and how incendiary, this has been in american politics. and this is clearly not the issue that and then bottled the incoming president wants to be contending with an issue that is uh, you know, creating, surprised with in the democratic coalition. which is, and always has been something of a broad to and, you know, in, in a close election which this, this election in november will be, um, you know, any, any kind of disruption of the sort of, you know, might, might,

to tip the balance. and so i think that's led to some of this urgency now uh, belatedly, i would add around this push for for a ceasefire. um, there is a real need on the part divided ministration to get this conflict under control and. and again, this isn't the narrative or the discussion that a sitting president wants to have as he enters a really closely thought election campaign. so given what you see out there, is it likely to get our control? let me read you what a deputy secretary of state for campbell. recently sadie said, sometimes when we listen closely to is really leaders. they talk about mostly the idea of some sort of sweeping victory on the battlefield. total victory. i don't think we believe that that is likely or possible. kurt campbell said, well, i think a lot of people did you see the records from the start?

and i think that's a part of the big problem. and i think some of the rhetoric used by the, by the administration to start and talked about the destruction of a mess, which i think was always an unrealistic goal. and now you see that echoed by others by senior us officials. i think that salutary because it creates a more realistic environment in which to conduct these discussions. but frankly, these, these facts were very clear from the start. this is a embedded flores fighting on its own territory, enmeshed in thousands society. and uh, you know, i think there has been a disjuncture of swords between the war that united states wanted israel to find in the actual or the deserves my. you know, they're not fighting and counterinsurgency if you look at the time, the total war that's being bought. you know, much of got guys is on an, i've been,

you know, that's, you know, that they're not finding a counterinsurgency. and so the dryer, prevail upon me is re lease to fight this this other more that the united states would like them to fight. i think that's a, that's a losing battle. i think the recent months of created some further sobriety about the limits of, of what this military campaign can achieve. and i think it's very clear to most people, but there is not going to be that that complete total strategic victory. and of course, that's a problem i think for, for his real, i think is real, is concerned about the perception of its military power and not just to turn is with respect how mass but determines more probably particularly respective as well. and so, you know,

i think that there are parts of these really security establishment that have internalized that fact. and i begun to talk about this war in different ways. but there isn't going to be the total destruction of how mass that i, that i think is really a leaders and some of the american leaders talked about for some time, particularly in the immediate aftermath of october. so, you know, if you're, if you're sitting in israel's shoes, which i try to think about with regard to these questions and you've got a future that you're looking at of a rebuilt and a prosperous, gaza where, you know, there's some form of, you know, justice, hopefully autonomy is, you know, some, some degree of civil society that's returned to health, which is very hard to imagine how you get there. i'm just really interested in this modeling, if you will, between long term interest and short term interest. the moment versus a long term, is there anyone in your sense that's thinking seriously about long term interest of israel with its neighbors?

i it doesn't look like it. i mean, there hasn't been a real peace process in many and many decades at this point, frankly. and of course, the viability of the possibility of some time to, to state ouch outcome you know, was potentially foreclosed years ago. we still talk about it because people don't have a good sense of what else to talk about. but here, there hasn't been a long term vision. the long term revision has been managing, managing this, this conflict, and managing the occupation. and that, you know, that has been handled. it has been dealt with. and of course, that puts the future further and further risk. and it's obviously a real tragedy for palestinians living under that under that reality. so, you know, we haven't had a long term vision. i think that's been demonstrated in the way that this war has been bought. uh theres been very little considerations the day after i think i the,

the revenge was a chief motivating factor in the way in which the war has played out. and the tactics deployed. and, and of course, as i mentioned, because as much of causes uninhabited, you know, it's, it is hard to imagine what this next phase looks like. i think people have yet to really wrap or with the size of the enormity of, of, of the needs you know, it is not just in terms of, of palestinian debt, which is an enormous figure. and i imagine it will be a bigger figure then we are even talking about now because of the difficulties of talent in the midst of war. but as it is reconstructing an entire society, universities and hospitals and archives and the, the institutions that make life possible. you know, it was really leaders, i think it was the defense administered, a lot of talked about making gaza,

a city of tex again and well i think you know that they might be successful. but um, you know, i'm not sure that that's the outcome that, that's an outcome that's going to be particularly conducive to a longer term as well as security will have to sadly end it there. and i really appreciate your thoughts are so good on the middle east us program director at the international crisis group. michael hannah, thank you for your comments today. thanks for having me see. so what's the bottom line for ever wars like afghanistan or vietnam sometimes ended abruptly with withdrawal of forces and both sides shaming and blaming the other, but at least the military operation. in other words, while they fade and fizzle out over years and decades, somewhat like syria and some conflicts do actually reach negotiated conclusions like bosnia. despite the binding administrations full court press these days, no one really knows which track israel's war on gaza is gonna take negotiations.

have been going on for months, but what's clear is the permanent ceasefire. a key, how much demand is really not in the language we're hearing. in the meantime, starvation is deepening and just trying to survive in gaza is getting harder and harder. what deal would put the palestinian society back together again in a way that's meaningful and fair? we are just nowhere near that answer. and that's the bottom line, the a working class community driven football club with some remarkable funds. left leaning socialist politics. what you see on the says those are the beliefs of the funds to pays for phones and discrimination. wide focuses, bringing people together. it's quite unlike anywhere else. i like to watch sports

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