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a high. it was the 1st time in 24 years. he had set foot in north korea and he left feeling young with a new defense packs to show for it is a 2 day visit to vietnam, also yielded several new trade agreements with the manufacturing hub. putting the latest state visit seem to be an attempt to both the support summit, increasing isolation over his war and ukraine. but what do these countries stand to gain from place of ties with most go? and how is washington reaction to it all? before we get to a panel of gas to get some on says the support from michael apple. korea gave one of his closest allies. a heroes was letting me and food and was treated to all the pomp and pageantry pyongyang could its been 24 years since his last visit. strong good ties between north korea, which is almost entirely isolated and russia increasing the so since it invaded

ukraine, mean the to lead is all committed to a lot more. sharon, a new defense package includes a close that see one come to the aid of the other in the event of an attack. and crucially with this is you actually get to 0 to use richard rusher does not roll out the development of military technical cooperation with north korea in accordance with the documents signed today. it was this comment that caused concern in the us to send it is unveiling a boat that if passed this picture says it all would see russia declared a state sponsor of terrorism. i don't even need to go into the classified briefings that we've received to tell you how frightening. so the idea is that russia would be lending its nuclear expertise to north korea. next, stop for putting was vietnam. a country he last visited in 2017

the 2 nations have struck nearly a dozen deals, increasing cooperation in industries from nuclear energy to education. vietnam's trade with russia stood a 3500000000 dollars 2 years ago. a fraction of the $120.00 plus 1000000000 it does with the us annually. the one analyst says it's so cold. bamboo diplomacy, which is strong yet, flexible shows. washington the world is no longer uni poa. countries are going to have multiple relationships. they're not going to be only on the us side or only on the russian side. and that requires a shift, an adjustment in the way in which the united states deals with many of these allies . and many of these partners who general tends to moscow having strength and old ties and bowls to trade relations important steps in his efforts and rushes, growing international isolation like level l. g 0 for inside store.

and that's bringing all guests now and from so it joined by andre long called the professor at cook many university and director of ink can use that as an online news source focused on north korea. benjamin young is in richmond, virginia. he's an assistant professor of the but junior community university of the over the guns gorillas. i'm the great lead north korea and the fed, well, and, and camera is call out say, a professor emeritus of the university of new south wales camera and a full i'm a senior staff member of the asia pacific sense of security studies out the us pacific come on the right boom, welcome to all of you. andre. this is person's 1st visit to north korea in 20 full years. why is he making it now? and because she wanted to excess pressure on the united states. is there a few diesels,

but that makes you smash sixty's something like you for the americans to active and to be assistant. the supporting ukraine are actually view revenge by supporting some countries. americans strongly dislike and countries as each of the sincerity dangerous was an american interest and definitely no study of gums fewest at deceased. so it was just as sort of defiant and see if you like. and also a way to show that profit is not as already did the use of going to uh find some for it to the intros. elyse is it was a major message. it says also way to present most great. so the cell scary. you can wait shows it so it was getty and the not so munition to ukraine because cells getting is bundles of ols, larger spread, useful munitions. and it's vital for the russian military efforts to blow up

ukraine for them getting access to the sol. scary of trust. okay. then let's bring here with at this point because is that the message that the us heard from pretends visits to feeling young in the us government is extremely concerned about this rejuvenation of russian ties with north korea in many respects. this is revitalization of the 1961 treaty between the soviet union and north korea, which assured both sides both sides that they would come to each other's defense. in the case of the armed aggression, there is quite a bit of ambiguity. and this re new defense pat between russia and north korea. and i think the, in general, the us is quite limited when it comes to getting in the way of this relationship due to the geo political environment that the us has now situated to call

us bring to you. and because you are focused on vietnam, this is not a part of the states, but it was in the same trips that putin made to north korea. was it happy to be lovington with such a prime nation? no. in fact, we now know from retired diplomats who are well informed that noise, that the yes i tried to to the length of 2. and i think when we look at the joint statement, we can say, well, they have the, the had to grin and bear a foot and was going to go to north korea. and that would have repercussions for vietnam, but the craft of joint statement, but tried to distance yourself from the bellicose rhetoric that came out of the young on what impact did it have on put in standing though, if it, if the whole trip was designed to show the west, that putin is not isolated, to what extent did the high noise visit supports his legitimacy. for one you have

to understand historically the soviet union recognize yet knob and 1950. so it's a longstanding relationship. they have a little hiccups after the soviet union collapse, but in 2012, russian federation became a comprehensive, strategic partner, the highest level of jeff tom's foreign policy hierarchy. along with china and india, there are tens of thousands of you have to be subsided. you can receive education in that country. the whole military complex in vietnam is based on russian weapon read technology and equipment. and without it, it wouldn't be a modern force on that scalar class. oven range guided missile forgets. the population has a great deal of affection because the soviet union helped vietnam air defenses during the american war, as they call it, so they have a completely different perception of, of russia than we in the west. okay,

andre, that's a look at this mutual defense, tracy that was signed between showing yang and russia. it's a commitment to come to wait until this age in the event of attack, but to witness a few details in it. to what extent does it involve, perhaps military assistance in the event of an attack? it's explicit is admitted to a system that is likely to be involved. and what does that mean? is the city why vote? he'd say the level of the clothes which existed in the 3 g signed in 1961 and a voice removed from the 3 d e in 1996 and now pulled back a. so it said it does is a patient which existed during the cold war. and so does that mean the andre? that's north korea is providing russia with weapons as many report save us. it is, but of course it's and russia itself deny to. i say it's

a very to doubt it does provide reason of weapons, but it's because the best thing to do is to treat it because forms in those get in for the few. it's a normal can there for lexi, which is yes. is a band by the un security council dissolution, but most katie, a 2nd. right. so tons is a lot going to respect and full not, and full of this is andrew from a. so it's a kind of traditional cache you, you sent, you boots in this case you had mentioned dice is a to do the shells and you get to your cache. so it's sort of like related to $83.00 g. so from most, goody, it's a kind of simpler patricia. they don't really need the russian nuclear umbrella because they have their own new cam. berella is pushing himself recently said adam goose if they at the at tech. so scared of you because not impossible in the long kind of in zillow moran of,

well i do and seems that trash reveal necessarily supports him because it, uh many ways to get around. especially if some conflict decided to and that you know accurately. okay, more kind of see buddies and the great depression americans. yeah. okay, that's interesting. benjamin if, if i'm feeling young, he's not looking to most go for a support militarily, especially when it comes to a new to on brothers. as andre mentioned, how might it be seeking all the expertise and technologies from russia, for example, is it like seems to be getting nuclear technology until the technological expertise from bhaskar. quite a few of the reports that have come out on the public domain indicate that russia, that in russia has sense of food aid. and there is also some doubts amongst experts, whether nor russia has sent technical experts to how north korea with their space

technology program, which has dual use capability for its military as well. uh and if you would actually also actually read this treaty that was just sign between russia and the dpr. k. it's not just about the defense. there's also quite a bit of provisions within it about call truck, strange about sending russian students to the, the peer k for language and vice versa, sending north korean students to rush up for language training. this is really a deep social and cultural and political and military agreement between the 2. this is a deepening of ties and in many respects this is also a more career trying to reduce is near total, political and economic dependence on being north korea spits tend to something 80 to 9 percent of its external trade with china. that is huge and north korea has all tied and it's all on being self reliant,

self sufficient and to being so dependent on one country is not something that the officials and the policy makers in the north korean leadership want to do. and so in many respects, the warranty ukraine has opened up a new pathway for north korea to return it to this more non unwind diplomacy, where it is firmly on its own pathway. it's not a chinese topic state or chinese lackey, that it really does have agency and autonomy to how it conducts as foreign policy. and that way it can maintain equity distance between moscow and beijing called to what extent is that also to the full vietnam? and let me look good. china's reaction. so this trip by person to these 2 asian nations is based on concerns. but most go is, is getting and bowls is try to go on it's patch. well,

get nonsense. the late eighty's has a policy of diversified and multi lateral lising. it's x journal relations. i've mentioned before that has a 3 tier of hierarchy in china and russia and india were the 1st of the comprehensive strategic pop partners, the us, japan, australia, and south korea for added in the last 2 years. there is an intermediate strategic partner partner level as a comprehensive above, that's 30 countries. so if we see it as a galaxy, vietnam sees itself in the center. it doesn't want to be pushed into anyone's orbit . um and the set russia is extraordinarily important because it's a member of the un security council is a powerful military state. the supports you have to miss military as a counterweight to china and get down. but at the same time, well, this is the only country in the world within one year is receive cmt doesn't live and, and that, that miracle. yeah, this is the famous bottom thing, just diplomacy of us. so we had about in michael's report to the findings with

a little beholden to none, but how long can it keep that out before it starts up setting its biggest trading partners, which isn't russia, it's the us and the you, as well as the united states, the assistant secretary of daniel clinton becker just showed up in a honda all right, but just prior on the 13th of june, before fulton came the new president of vietnam, the former minister of public security met mark nap or the american of bass or and said, we want to we're encouraging defense and security cooperation with you, a huge american i t delegation was there. the comprehensive strategic partnership with the u. s. is all about innovation science, technology, computer chips, electric vehicles, and then working on climate change, green energy, and the resources, the vietnam house. the us motivations really to get to china and help get them on the, on the south china sea. but with everybody that as i get down has

a policy of $4.00. now military alliance has no form based. there's no gaming up on the 3rd country and no 1st use of force to what extent benjamin does the us have to pivots it's. it's ideas about the world or the next steps that it is not simply a black and white situation where the world is idle. countries, why the for it or against it under any sense, given circumstances that it is indeed multi polar in the us. it is finding itself right now in a difficult geopolitical situation. but the strengthening of this, almost some call to access between tear on tongue young beijing and moscow, and rochester, warren ukraine, has really enhanced this access in a way. and so the us is in a difficult situation. and in many respects, vietnam stands as a cornerstone of trying to wean strategic partners off of dependence

economic dependents on china. and vietnam also spans is a really important economic partner both for the us when it comes to near shoring and reducing our supply networks into china. but also vietnam is important for defense and security purposes with the situation to solve china seats. so the us uh, uniform policy has never been a big deal in domestic politics. but obviously there's 2 major prices happening in the world right now. right. that's a warrant. ukraine and the israel palestine conflict. and this is definitely waiting on the minds of the vitamins, ministration, coming into november with the election. and a trump has definitely been a different kind of us present when it comes to foreign policy. she had in 2017 fire, infuriated comes on on. and then the following year, she met kim's on a 2 separate occasions. and so one would have to believe that the,

if he does when in november, that there would be a very unique u. s. foreign policy. going forward in regards to russia and north korea and it has some interesting points, isn't it? and to what extent does the need to be a new approach tools, especially north korea. the us is, was that, that it go be but knowledge for the large number of years. now the sanctions are clearly not working. they need a ton for example, to the 6 policy talks of over a decade ago. yes, it was more than well over 10 years ago. but as a question is actually on the trump, americans pride to negotiate some kind of agreement. the robot many doughnuts from coal was that he will be able to vitiate no scary and still cetera. and does a new play of weapons, which is clearly not going to happen. and it's very difficult for the medical

decision makers study allies. is it no scary, it is going to remain a nuclear power force if i see of, of the future and nothing can be done about as even as the decision make, you guys understand that it's next to impossible, to explain it to that congress to the media to the common fabric who met a lot in the america, which is a democracy. so america's americans decision make us a very careful. they don't fall into the categories. no scary is. and you do a follow up and stop talking about nuclear arms control, which is basically that would be a video, rational decision about they cannot do anything about its nuclear program. and they things that kind of, we can see, once again, this is the most grated, that sanctions that russia is not very disappointed. not going to on the sand shows that he, you lation sense on, but frankly,

even resolve these russian hutto sanctions. we are not going to walk because we have seen it worst case scenario, essentially gonna kill some poor pharmacy in the mobile prizes, sometimes because they undermine the economy apps. but the, so very need, if any impact on a new capital to under, when the person was in the north gray rails, against the hedge of many and the imperialism of the west. i mean, that's quite apt language when you're in showing. yeah. was the many playing to his audience, which you think he really is seeking a new world order. and then the time he creates a new world order at this stage. but maybe if he can see seems cds disk him self as it goes on. who is, you know, opening and you are in civil case that he quite probably definitely a new earrings are from the city for sure. and he wants to position himself. and oh, we're russia led by him as

a kind of the leader of what is usually called now is the global sales forces to beach. i'm not happy about investment in nation. it's a very different ideas, very different agents, but they are united by they does like all of that kind of old system and brush of would like to position itself as, you know, kind of lead all of this movement. the, it's a voice in every scene. really the sexes village sexy the most social because most of this companies don't see russia as a part of the global cells. but it's even the bought for 2 months and such reps that it works very well in town. yeah. even so we'll, by the way, no scary indeed assembled about changing symbol is a quite indifferent to what is happening in the world. they just want to keep their country under their control and to make it powerful. and if possible to spit us, call the same person visiting saudi arabia the you a last. yeah. of course i have

a relations with ron. other countries as well. do you think he has gathered enough international support to defy west and sanctions? i'm for long. the war on ukraine? no, i don't think you can accomplish that. there's too many countries that are opposed, but the sanctions are never going to work. a 100 percent. there's ways of evaluating them. and with the a bomb, they talked about rubles, dom, the victim these currency exchanges to get out of the swift system that has sanction rush out for, for currency transfer because of but just now give us castigated by the us for receiving but, and because they were receiving a person under the international criminal courts of warranty as well, for example. but those are limited group. if we look at those who have saying that the general assembly is it so, you know, just under a quarter of, of nations are trying not to, that doesn't mean they're citing with russia, but they don't want to get involved in the polarization that's occurring. if we

look, the bricks is slowly being expanded with his membership and get them sent to a high level official of and they're looking at membership along with other countries. and there's a group in africa and all obviously in the middle east. so i was just trying as best to break out of them, but all the analysis that i'm reading about the economic sanctions or they're hurting, but they're never there. they're not going to. it's not like a wrestling match. we're find the be a thought. russia is going to say uncle and give up. right. okay. benjamin is the thing that the west can do about these trying, putting alliances. well, one of the tactics that us senators have put forth is putting russia honestly, sponsor terrorism less. that's important largely for symbolic purposes, but also it has academic implications as well. so the state sponsors of terrorism last in the us now currently has a 4 countries,

syria. iran were afraid to bar on those 4 countries, keeping my opinions. you really should not be on the list, but north korea, in my opinion, really should be on the last in russia should as well. this would send a message that if you strengthen this access and you coordinate at economic and military relations but are on in north korea, which are both threats, the international liberal order, then you'll get placed on this list. and this has ramifications for a ride. the russian economy, which is already under heavy sanctions, but this would basically deny any sort of interaction with us financial institutions more over, it would send a message to other regimes in the broader geopolitical landscape that's strengthening and trying to be part of this access uh with e, ron russia, in north korea will make you into a privacy, it will make you into

a so called rober gene. and in our very globalized, interconnected economic world. you do not want to be placed on those list because it has severe economic implications for your tourism industry, for your weapons, industry, and for your broader economic future. andre, what are your thoughts on that? do you agree that russia should be placed on the state sponsors of terrorism list a wrinkling op? and i believe that there is something strange. we suppose this seduced because, well, sometimes you can find countries of beach have not done anything this terrorism for many years like no study. it's a. busy unpleasant, very brutalization, highly depressive. ohio keeps is population on the control beach fisk property. nobody else will bite the very if you bought. it's a last engagement is february 16,

52 police for 2 years ago before me. 8 and the midnight tonight is nothing. seems that there are many countries which will involve is this activity because they have good relations was invited, stays them on the bottom of that list. so for me, it sounds like a kind of using some bold sounding votes to many people. wait to basically put nice labels just to describe guns needs to be trick, have bad relations is united states. and for me, i have always been skeptically about the least, including that presence of most guardians. this is once again, i have no illusions about no study. it's a company with a few people vote warranty like, duties. nonetheless, nonetheless, it's not a thought of terrorism. and last actions which can be described, etc, is new or is some of those getting in involvement segment as well,

nearly co for century table. okay, and that way i'm, let's leave it today. let me. thanks indeed for. well, i'll guess for joining us andre line called benjamin young and call fan and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website that's out. is there a dot com for further discussion too? good. well, facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. it was during the conversation on x all homeless at a inside story from me laura kyle: i'm the whole team hand bye for now. the joe biden. donald trump go head to head, so we're going to fight. there was a rick trial ban a saw in the 1st tv debate at the us selection 2024. we're going to close that border tied as a drum. stand a strong would you crate?

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