some remarkable sense left leaning socialist politics. what you see on this the, those of the police of the farm to table phones of discrimination. wide focus, bringing people together is quite unlike anywhere else. i lost my lot, white sports football interest on ours. is there a wide spread protest in kenya against propose to texas police criticized using excessive force menu on the street to john mobilized by social media? why is the down was pushing the new taxes? and why is that being such a reaction? this is inside story. the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on and see is protests across kenya von to track down by police and the worst on the rest. since president william router came to power less than 2 years ago, it was all traded by government efforts to increase taxes to help cut the national debt and pay back its lenses, including china and the international monetary fund. young people have led the protests with social media, a prominent to police of use gun file on peaceful protests with fatalities, injuries, and mass arrests condemned by civil liberties groups. the government has offered some concessions, but it has an ease the tension. so why has this bill brought so much anger and what's the why the implications we'll get to, i guess, to the moment that 1st this report from your com undeterred by counts of 2 key to your gas. these young kenyans are taking to the street in their thousands, with a clear demand. they oppose the government's plant, raise $2700000000.00,

and additional taxes on the prussia and the international monetary funds. the protest of occupied parliament started and i wrote the on tuesday and since spread nationwide, this be reconnected because we want to reject it completely. and that's where we're at. yeah, it's on you to protect against the bill. can you read by pull? let's see. we have no education, what's the, what, what i learned to kind of the size that kind of the governments and wants to, to pull away the budget routes around, sealed with the noise and the message seemingly not reaching politicians. they held the 2nd reading of the bill on tuesday, but no, so look, read these the be was i decides to this bid is i assuming that the good? yes. good. yeah, i'm to text of it to to move the hi. uh, did you get president william rudo had made amendments to the bill? dropping levies from brett's principle to show the financial services and low to

vehicle tax proposing instead to increase fuel prices. of the new budget is response to the i m s, which is called the government to increase revenues to reduce its reliance on borrowing books with high unemployment inflation. on the 3rd of the country, living in poverty. many see these additional taxes as punishing the poor and the way police handled the protest may have was to be angry on the street duty . and when you says her son was shot dead will fling from to your guests to come and get me a kick. if someone is fighting for their rights while i use live bullets, if you would have been found with any weapons, you would have said there is a problem. but he was walking with his friend write scripts who attended those days protests. they spent klux it is implied the use of live rooms. it's really shocking

to learn that we are living in a country where youth losing their lives for me at least accessing their constitutional rights. but nothing appears to detach these young kenyans, who say that will remain on the street until the government scraps is controversial plans to raise taxes, north homes inside story. i'll just, sarah. let's take a closer look at some of the license. the new taxes will cover. most of it will apply to impulsive goods, including phones, computers, motorcycles, which are a common form of transport value added tax little so be doubled on petroleum products from 8 to 16 percent. kenya is heavily reliant and diesel for transport in agriculture. but the government has dropped additional taxes on several items including bread, sugar, and vegetable oil proposed levies on sanitary products and diapers also dropped

the and that's bringing august and i, roby, stella, adara attacks, justice activist, and africa governance and security analyst and london original cuts due to finance economist at oxford brookes university and also in library being the cadina's monday and research over the east africa peace and security governance program at the institute for security studies, a very warm welcome to each of you. and before we start, i would like to mention that we reached out to the canyon government and citizen, kenya who supported finance bill. but no one was available to join us on the program. the next name is mindy. i'd like to stop with you and i will be there was so much to unpack in this program, but before we get to some of the finer points for our international audience, why is kenya in the situation today? when this is bugged over a bill that was introducing finding jobs in may about his finance being to service

document truthfully the budget was for the $2400.00 straight to 5, and the need to be introduced as a number of them recommendations, especially one taxes and revisions and taxes, especially in v t, existing t, as well as a funding tops. and as of the board has mentioned, these are the, the total for me. so just to pull by menu, they can and citizens because each time it's mainly that is they, you've done essential communities and products for each other. you talk to the lives of the people because increase the job session and he's a little talk to that increased to talk about body and impedances, and especially it came up depending on the experience by nice people speak straight to change or think for me is the costing lazy me just a simple on extras. they've had time laptops by the name before. is that just you

codes in terms of livingston? that's what the people missed because there are 2, as mr mandate mentioned to they have been a number of taxes that have been already imposed on the canyon people. how is it that the government decided what to tax and its efforts to raise revenues and his latest efforts for when you're going to be the best that do these if you want to wait in a text based way, you about the wind and the income based um, you will have to move away from dallas, texas. so if you look at the previous regime and um the, the little story is you and the 1st part of the little regime, the menu targeting the p o u corporate tex ended the salary increase. but um that you can only get as much from them. so for the onset, this viable hand go for generating really new medium. notice i'm going for indirect texas because the methyl easier,

we will use wading the text based mostly to fix it. what is the wing is that different brands, animal, oil, fuel, and all that means you go to every individual because as long as you point you, then you, you will paychecks it is said for those on the bottom of the mit media. but also have been said for you been those who have an income because then you are paying p way. you then is doable consumption text on top of your cell. i mean, that is what i need being text. so the reason why the goal now for indirect xle text is on consumption. yeah. that the realize that the, you can't wait in the, the tech space with those. what salaried. so they're trying to book for everyone. okay. and let's, i got a, what is it about these proposed tax reforms that scotch, you know, people especially they use out onto the streets when they have previously been. i'm interested in government affairs is elizabeth, isn't there a number of things that i've listened the you'd be interested in this particular

finance being the 1st thing is the fact that the why i was i'm finished living the significance of it from last year when the conversation was being held on the front has to be less, the number of them didn't understand what the fuss was about. and they took that to participate to him. s t a y stevens. but then after a few months, especially when some of those doctors can do for then they started realizing that it was affecting them directly and affecting the cards, i believe, to give them a can lifestyle. of course the c a this particular finance we continue to default in $55.00 levels of text. a b says it doesn't touch women, especially the, the taxes on one center tells us to attack gender roles. especially on the use of the day present the needs for women to access data. you've had the tag, a top unemployed, new tool happening to be the target tool. he's experienced the prison company in the village and the cooking, the depaula, and it kept us to keep running like you, if you was pulling the pos class he identified with them to move them up. any political cartoons. and this was news that you do not drink up this when you don't

have a plan for them. as soon as you wake them up as soon as they know what they deserve . and with that, i am becomes very difficult to sit through that. and i think that's what has caused this kind of energy from jim z, this kind of been a different than the videos to actually find the tweet into the columbia. for up until for knoxville, at least the seo okay. i wonder if this bill can be made better for people. nicholas monday, miss a guy was talking about, you know, the taxes on menstrual products for women and nappies, both of which have very recently been dropped, the proposed taxes on those things. the proposed taxes on bread has also been dropped because of the protests. so do you think that we could see the government roll back some of the other proposals, the fact that the taxes on you know, bread, mental products nappies have been dropped. how much of a is it a victory for protest is, and can we see more the use of which seeing the deadly push up to the ditch from

some of the so i'm, it means especially nice for boys to point 516 percent 18 on the product that was suggested easy. all right, so this is branding nutrition. you know, suppose the previous top i the loss of the implementation. and i think once i send one of the was visuals and they're not getting dropped into schools or so they financial services which include, you know, they, they, they buy lots of people are transacting me that and base that which is, you know, digital mind even though that was the whole thing that the government looms. i listened, but i gave me sure if i didn't want it, they did. they proposed the finances. it still has the patient is when a is an inquiry that the original designations is too complex to good extent. they celebrate employees and tests, and these include your full value on digital content creation and all that. so as, as you know, wherever we have a certified, reached and canceled this,

that can be, you know, that means you find that maybe that being more pressure is needed. but the government is the intention tossing these, but it could be before the days the government does also mentioned by you know, these, these meetings up for the shops down. it will also be a scene that has been having no confidence on the, on the, on the government because they, spain, these us, all that, that is tied to the, to the budget courses of, to exchange for introductory fine. so that, that, that the, for the muscle for these are for the full so the deal and the okay, so is that large and mr. cubs or to could we say increase taxes on other goods or in fact, new items to replace the levies that have been scrapped over the last few days. i mean, one of the criticisms of this canyon government is that the items that attacks keep changing all the time. again, this time withholding specifically about proposals, but in a broader context. that's the, again,

the items that attacks are constantly being changed. so, um, yeah, uh, i think the uncertainty that comes with the fiscal policy in kenya, what do you mean just for the routing or is even only by the previous exams. way it really takes you the, you to expose those causes a lot of problems for the economy in general, especially going forward because then you can not loan to. so for example, you have the best option. bonita beach, what depth exam to now they're proposing up would you mind holding text in one was worthy and i think it was such important is that really thinking i was getting samples to get 16 percent sticks free? now 20 percent of that is going to go to, to, to the holding tx and they were planning on raising the 6454000000 on these new textbook poses. so, so one thing they have done after they've dropped all the things that the money's to book and they increased who lived the by 59 percent stored on 100 fife shootings. benita,

and now the people in the fits of increasing the price of petroleum products or low fuel is a transport cost will go up. um electricity costs to go up. uh, full cost will go up because of that in the transport of uh, the costs of transporting food from the, from the additional from the factory to the show has gone up, would be better for delivery. so, so they have to find another way of raising the deductible, $54000000000.00 of less than, than 2 cuts on the appropriation bill. and they can choose expenditure by the equivalent amount of money. i don't thing to dick something else the most with leather edits to bro, we and yeah, and because of the rise of the same or yeah, absolutely. because one of the reasons, one of the reasons why kenya is in this situation is because of the borrowing miss a go. all right, if you look at the protests, one of the reasons why demonstrate a thing saying they're out on the streets, is because of corruption in the government. and while the got the government is

raising taxes, they're not adequately addressing the corruption that also affects the revenues that go towards government spending. how much of a problem would you say corruption is at the moment, and is the government doing enough about his this correction is a huge problem and can, i don't think this is anything that you need to be bought for for a new one because make it for the media points, interruption that have come up with the kind of the biggest selling that you're having with this government to use that this is an increase in rental. we corruption it with that coming into focus on the presidency money to get the many people who like your upkeep, because it includes pardon and can get together with very small signs with some production casing. give government also be the head slip of those candles, links to corruption, the dog moved to be putting the legs of both gas exempt because that somebody else from the clinic that really will be covered can happen to have the paper. and can you give that keeps on informing them about this phones of production and before

the keys on a daily basis, because he needs to be ready to go up to sleep, posted books, isn't a solution with the citizen, understands what is being lost from the economy and then they're also listening to the prison. i'm trying to convince them through these governments that they need more is supposed to be able to run our country. unfortunately, the feeling is that the amount of data being carving for this country must be invested in the right, therefore doesn't make sense, but maybe let me add to these a bit that even of this that is being collected, the supposed to be coming in for service delivery, our company is the, the mutual monday for the economy. i'm hoping to get that investing in your current expenditure, the listing of the region corruption. and when this is happening, then pulling taxes, i'm kind of in a going to increase the life of getting is what regional and has spoken about about some of the easiest way that we could be just doctors. that means nothing to put into b as in keys. now, for example, that maybe it kinda depends keeping you on peoples. i think the average from that they put some text into one's a book printing with them is do up to begin with. we should about to be and

conditioning. i mean, you kind of, quote unquote me that depends on the ports to pay extra taxes. let people see and that's, that's a cost is going to be drunk. because you might venture. yeah, you're very appropriate. okay, and you've raised a lot of important points there, including, you know, on this management. mr. monday, we've talked about, you know, china is kenya's largest vendor and the debt that, you know, kenya is debt to g d. p ratio and i think is around 70 percent. many of the chinese build and funded infrastructure projects under utilize or haven't paid for themselves. as can you said they would just how much of a problem is mismanagement? when these at no additional cost to the external, i mean within the budget, that was really the 2nd one is even use the center for aging interest of engineering for them to try and will just of a for option. there is also minors that turn the,

the data 15 things that are normally essentially by intentional for example, and they pass on the phone. so the payment was on this policy is a visa president during the visit, the president, which again cause $300000000.00 canyon. so as much as we're talking about production, there's also misappropriation or money mean that it could be i'll say, but about trip a strong china. these are little concerned about it going by judge prices. and of course the fingerprint to be the way the budget was actually structured. it's also about the median basics done. the whole thing is or isn't, is, is a way to really offset the budget, even if it's done one bits, which i can easily afford. the program was received as a solo, to him. back on the months canyons, especially basically an effect, maybe this particular financing has actually been drafted. makes time elapsed, as especially the, i mean, a lot of baggy data involved incomes. so, okay,

a lot of these are some, each of these issues. so these, that particular awards amongst the kids, let me put that way to mr counsellors, or is it warranted how involved, you know, is the international monetary fund, how much of a size do they have in, in the canyon governments assessing its monetary policy and, and these propose proposals of the well, the, the, the, the, the effectively and that every single one that he needs to get to you and the company is about to make the data you get. and at least data or receive up to money is defense. the point with kenya was, was pointing to way and they needed the i in middle school and they were going to default. and those are some of the policies that have come from the i m f as normal as the i, because i am, if, as an administrator or receiver, i have to show the trinity tubs, the king that has the ability to pay. and the only way you're going to be to be

like if you're either to go to a bank to get a loan, or are they asking for your patience? so they're basically a government is the model of texas that they are able to res. i think they can, governments should be able to just from, when the bought into power, seeing that from the default will pay. but they should live with the chosen between their legs and sit down with the cookie tubs and said, how can we sort of these on hold, for example, in these finance bill, um, or even in the budget for the see at $1.00 is going to dictate payment or for finance of, of, of, of budget over on for $40.00 the, and a half your budget is going to lie, the they didn't get or paying interest. so if you to come in and for them to give you the money, which can you has been using and do that to and government that couldn't be that they can be able to access the international market. suppose they've been frozen out and they needed to show that and if he's in charge, if he's helping. but if it really view that, and if it's been doing in the program,

that can, is one expires next year on much one thing that the given government has been using is that having new targets that have been set by the i am. but i think those proposals a bit of a disconnect with the team and they couldn't make structure on the ground and the demographics on the ground. and they need to find another way of raising revenue to be able to lead pain, domestic and external. did mr. guy, what could that other way be? the number one is, is a full the kind of governmental isn't leaking as it goes within the leasing to the bedrooms institutions. indeed they have an obligation to, to repeat it. but then the deductible is simply looking at because the, the kind of the cause is what everything is going to use to pay for the day. and then of course, then the next investments number tool is to make sure that these more money in the hands of citizens, no economy has ever gone from testing before economies go from having disposable

income to book it. so citizens disposable income that could be used to step to businesses, you choose to treat and therefore provide. they're supposed to the time you didn't put the government tax, including taxes in this business. because i was looking at the money to spend the right, the kinds of results of the vin. they expect you to get that type gets from number 3 is dick responsibility. why a, we repeat this, the kind of look because he did with the deflection can, nobody knows what very be they also know giving us the not to see. this is what they did the beat for. instead, kind of like constantly reminded the pink if they could not, not come and then okay, the last thing of this is about ensuring that these techs just discipline this month to when you upload it to caps is progressively built as opposed to the product suspending of taxes corruption kind of be seen can be happening in the space where they put it in these kinds of taxes if they impose 13, because i'm kind of them, they should also be, seem to be excited instead of just themselves and not investing from budgets for

folk for people who are not given the cost to have supposed to be given data, but it's okay types of the company that is the chief payment that you for me, is that okay, well, i do. okay. thank you for that. we only have a few minutes left on the program and i'd like to cover a couple of very important points that we haven't yet must have been to. there are other african countries that are spending an even larger portion of their revenues on, on paying that debt at the moment. how would they be looking at what's happening in kenya at the moment, the listing? actually if you look at these stuff within the region, then contradict gonzandi is a so b, if you look at the budget as well. so, so rates of senior genius knew that union, one of the chunk pulled on my new software was in july that it's a payment. and it's supposed to be looking at the level of interest. all of these up in union can just yesterday we saw that the, the i'm is extend. another loan depends on yeah. so i think the government of us

will be very much for it in terms of what is actually happening. okay. i don't know if you guys yeah the okay, let's the concerts are. we have this so many reasons to be hurtful for. can you isn't that there is the g d p growth is the young educated population. there's the use of green energy. it's online. what is it going to take it at this point to, to realize that hope and potential not squander it to i think the 1st thing that the government are looking at as to do is that they actually don't have the capacity to repay these debt. and the 1st thing to do is to plug the hold up, he's making the difficulty to go that moves over spending, looking at your expenditure versus you would have it and not the fiscal difficulties you use is g d, p as in decatur, because you can always include g d p and say i what difference it doesn't do things, no 2 percent of gdp, but look at the difference between living and expensive to for the last 6.

something is the difference between giving expenditures being at all 40 percent. that means you're spending 40 percent more than we are collecting and living in ducks now pose up to with the air right now. so let's begin to just let the visibility we are going to leave within our means for now. these no point of improving ruins at the expense of where we are now. these no point of building expressways. i know they want to be the next. basically all the way to move by sir, are completely unnecessary. so if big can plug of that meeting for in the living room right now for a couple of years, it may be painful, but it will get them out of the situation that they cut into the team. and those, those that are making sure that the taxes and the fiscal policies and the budget of going to it is let go export ability to increase incomes in, in the hands of the population. if they're able to do policies that do those 2

things. and you have the same time. fill out in the hor, vin. uh the 2 tang and still okay. will come out. yeah. so a lot of agreement there with this guy on, on how to fix this problem. this guy just lastly, you know, what does it steak for kenya here given again, everything for all of the positive things that are happening in the country. and also the fact you know, that it is a stable country and a pretty unstable region. it up. so 1st of all, in the register here, the skin is still going to be a blank, was then given up despite knoxville conversation and didn't use to boot functioning as a country even for this financial conversation. how with i think it will be the same again, especially because generally and the group of young people from the millennials who have found themselves in this clamor have distant black. the know that what it means to be on the streets. thank you for that. all right, so they have also had from that part and seeing that they kind of go back to that

to, to, to get to the dream, the, to the cost of the have full ok. now they have a video with that's the, the, the original news is additional including the am. if and one monk run the carpet, at least i did that, that the are not interested in being a battle and attending the government to understand the position. but as you need to speak with them, could you also check to see that the people who are trying to get this is also for my boot device, delta v, aware that there's a conflict of that need to go include the manufacturing. the type 0 entity is the time i'm going to be cops there with, but there's a ton of control companies that have downloads because unfortunately he'd be able to so with that you did talk to them on the phone and the fact that business. so in terms of the future, one of the things that the government have conditioned wakeful is okay. this people i know something happens. i personally think that because it's too late for another to start preparing for unexpected action from citizens and, and okay. even on both of those because because this is something that is coming in

the near future, and that's like our thank you very much for that. unfortunately, the run out of time, but thank you to all of, i guess that is stella a guy. right. and i wrote the original cuts due to in london and nicholas monday, also in nairobi. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, which is 0 dot com and prefer the discussion to go to our facebook page. let's facebook dot com forward slash 8 inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i handle this at a inside story for me, elizabeth put on them and the entire team can bye for now. the. the edge of the hot or does it is a rescue for way we travelers most are crossing africa looking for a possible way to europe. some are coming back the other way and their stories are

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