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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on them. it will started with peaceful protests against a finance bill tabled in kenya's parliament. that includes tax increases to raise extra funds. the government says it needs to pay off public debt. the protests intensified crowd spinning the parliament compound, and the military was deployed. security forces use live rounds coming and injuring many a defined president william root hope the demonstrations treasonous. and promised to take a test on what he called and key. we will discuss what options the canyon government has this public. and because the 1st this proposed by up to some good food protesters calling on president william route to to resign from inside can use parliament. the storm, the compound and peace passed the controversial fine and spill that includes tax increases, local media, se and peas were evacuated through and underground tunnel. moments later,

one of the buildings was a bleed. demonstrations had begun peacefully, organized on social media and led by young people. so a few times the own hun, let them leave it as one of the leading to the data in this country is going to be one to us and we're going to live with that. it does happen. police responded with tear gas more to canon and eliza munition of the military was deployed and the president described. some of the protesters as treason petitioning and public authorities by a fiction of law abiding citizens, spoke to the public opinion, was infiltrated on, hijacked by a group of organized criminals. the governments, as the finance bill will bring in much needed funds to pay off public debt. currently at 70 percent of gross domestic product. it hopes to raise $2700000000.00

. the critics, a ordinary people, are paying the price for the heavy spending by state officials and raising taxes on property few and small businesses will only worse than the cost of living crisis. as one is sending out, you know, because you have time 4 times the 400 people unemployed and you keep pushing the punitive taxes. no one is for setting. here you can not supposed to have this much . the need more mass action is planned and protest or say they won't settle for anything less than the bill being scrapped once and for all we're doing this. i'm getting food, i'll just 0 for inside story that spring. and i guess joining us from nairobi is, has been kind of in j, director of the whole international institute for strategic studies, research and policy think tax based in the canyon capital in johannesburg as weston

chanel, who is an international relations scholar at the university of the woods, which is friend of the book, political pallet and tribalism in kenya. and also in the canyon capital is, let's see. i know num why, of the east africa director as human rights watch. very well. welcome to all of you . how soon i'll start with you in nairobi, president william rudo was elected 2 years ago on a promise of helping the poor as he met them down i think is, let's see, is this, this is the, i'm on a process. the problem is isn't gonna be failed. i think part of it is informed by the increasing that cost of living as. ringback this data helpless man, so something is out of increasing employment. now some of these factors may not exactly be route towards making some of these has to do in the background. so we can actually kind of makes that's what are the conditions that are being constrained by the pup does, you know outside one, okay. yes. control. however,

i think these increasing competition is somebody's out of increasing comic difficulties. social despondency. i know just to be the in the country, but i pretty only thing to reach him. i don't want to talk about exactly why kenya is at this point that it's at now beyond, you know, the lease has finance bill west and how much of it is because kenya has to pay back international lenders, china, the international monetary fund. and how much of it is it because of his, of corruption and mismanagement that the people on the street say they shouldn't have to be punished for thank you. some of these are the printer to control the, the t's is the big that's the to the okay. now is that a part of the street is across the country echo tasting that goodness. big gains of ground corruption contains minus the politically leads of impunity

and this speak. i said, in this state of affairs, the dates we didn't just precedents such as the for the last 16. 0 yes. basically. did you nation i know which state has the dependent leads have related to the status as i've side for the past within that communication, passionate that reaching? i never imagined that nice already. so canyons have been done by the finance being because so sweet to the nations it's going to be the father is going to be a breeze. all right, and these kind of jobs, these guys are going to jump there, finish college, completing the texas. i'm making the basically get nothing out of the evidence. so it is the conditional subjects we just found. expiration the nose view, which is the government,

especially because the president insists on pushing down the can draw despite against having expressed opposition. identities being okay, i'll scan. oh, what do you make of how the government, the president has handled the protest so far? when he did address the nation, he said that the protests have been hijacked by infield traces and criminals. is there any evidence that you know what he calls criminals, or even people that have interest, other than protesting against the taxes, have in any way taken over the protests will have a significant presence to thank you. let's remember that yesterday's part is a kind of a national from the test that i've been going on since last week. so the same process went down enough to go past that. the protest outside of stays there to

continue those practice due yesterday and then tomorrow. and tomorrow was basically the last payment will go all the way to step house 2, that's the office on the agenda. if you remember left me, the process are very, very peaceful from starts to the end. and yesterday, the product as well a bit before a few things started happening. one of the police started a fine job uh in today i took this task and then the 2nd thing, i think the government had organized code a purchase based on the people i know that was supporting the finance be the find the meetings definitely can take you can do it on monday of the port test tasks to allow us what supporting be towards the product. i know i think about the 70s tech because when something happens there, it's always going to be a conflict. so between the police are,

will continue funding to have that something that i'm starting to use 9. i mean they shall not get us. we're pissed off. and then the counter practice, which deliberately made decision was about noon. something else happened then met muscle color and defiantly went ahead and possibly be despised before reaching out to their mother, costing them not to say no, it sounds, it sounds like you are saying pretty much what you're saying is the government is responsible for the violence by shooting on protest as by organizing counter protests and bypassing a bill. that's so many people are against hassan. who what do you make of who is out on the streets of? it doesn't seem to be from what we can tell a political, a religious, tribal ethnic regional dimension to these protests and protest is how much of a challenge does that pause?

that is indeed the case. how much of a challenge is it for the government? these are the common people, protesting or the bread and budget issues. it is always easy to do with an ident bible in any way the month of control structure. now when you're dealing with a group that is split 10 years and extremely white sprayed, organize it back without a definable structure to be able to deal with. it becomes increasingly difficult. and i think that is why this could resources have been overwhelmed in parts because you are having partners across more than 30 countries going on so much and you spend the same time. but also it is the kind of punches that cuts across at the college board would be just fine. and that becomes also very had to be able to do that. now, one thing that has happened is that the process goes up money to ship the east coast as well as the narrative. now the government at ease reacting add

to a situation where the, the position right now has to compete. and you said you've been the position that protest is made up mostly of young people and mostly known to us getting nation z, you know, at least in pain. and so it is extremely difficult for the government to have to respond to these. now, outside of fairly or messaging that he's going to speak towards compromise, like come with permission coming, you know out the, the media right now use the visa move towards about sort of visiting the thing that's be the itself. it's going to be increasingly difficult to be and to be able to pacify these protests that especially during that kind of tensions and that kind of sentiment that raising up to the extent that exhibited widespread puts a country, let's nothing else but absolutely, that's a very interesting point about the compromise west and several of the most contentious taxes including levies on bread,

women's menstrual products. children's nappies had been dropped before the bill was passed. so the government did compromise on some things. and yet the and the not only remained but intensified. so what are the taxes that remain and why people still so angry? i think the people still don't really because they don't trust the government. they been an acquaintance already. the governments had really said several of those provisions in the field because this has been to the baptist church and then what about gosh, you know, i'm 6 present. don't pull out those provisions to try. i think am i gonna say no, they would not be. we beautiful on things low paid to match the best it can be taken by turning everything, whether it's either cut, whether it's track, whether it's the people's incomes,

basic or the goodness. i say the test to the boss is being in desperate talk them to the ball and yet they kind of settled rising that no jobs for young people find themselves no income's for their efforts. so the lease is because with the, with key was in this kind of competing company just missed a fix it. but yeah, that's do the problems of the challenges, be driven ingredients and use a very specific in these funds based on the bottom systems where i'd be doing specific and they went. ready into goodness, i took notes, so they're wondering how to use that see is that responded to the things that you read all i've successfully saw the voice of products, click on products. oh, the re visited you open to us about the definitely 3. he was the deputy president

for 10 years dental, and we have some, a fascinating breaking news coming into us that i'm just being told about in my yeah, which is that president william rudo has said he will not sign this bill and to know upon them and approved it, it has to be signed by the president. i would just hearing with him router is saying that he will not sign this bill. let's see, i know how much of a is this a victory full protest is. will they trust this? will it be the end of protests? one of the things i've been saying is that the defendant has to be, it was just a pick up us. and the, the reason why they go to where they, because to be a lot so used to be is that people have been on the number of things that they've been seeing in the side of this test, which is high in borrowing. a lot of that which people cannot see what is doing at the bucket, asking in the us government the bottom about to see what they're doing. this was the apartment, but they don't see why their money is good. the 2nd is the cost. what people have

mentioned, the fees prices and the high level option, the baby, the ports of corruption and money just been getting most undefined not to be $10.00 funded by digits of the piece of locating money to areas that are not necessary. also be provisions to pay to set up people for you to consider adding products and the programs on the left, the people in government, southern to show where to possibly meet this money coming from. i'm fussing this is the money that can be done by just using that money planning to focus on them. so it's a much, much bigger discussion. if you listen to what can you say, then just to find out on this part, not to be part of something just to, to, to be locked. the other similar approaches about class deals probably not to be which dependent folks for the past and to continue to talk to people and cannot keep them in the solutions. we start getting people somebody send pay slips on. people can also now pay up to 45 percent of the the government,

us taxes. absolutely. we have seen a number of new taxes. we have seen an increase in taxes since president mucho came to power 2 years ago. how soon, what do you make of this news that, you know, william router was saying he's not going to sign this bill and what to see, i know, was saying, you know, talking about the much bigger problems or the decades in colorado, in can you of corruption of mismanagement, couldn't this be the beginning of a government of the government to looking at those much deeper problems? the president's promise not to assign these b, o, he's actually just completing a conference of those up for all that student gauge the project so. so, you know, my to say from lots of stakeholder kind of approach to ensure that the young people i listen to now, but it is on a time to not be escalation. but also i think, opportunity to have

a more comprehensive i think the approach to watch some of the issues of how big the country was corruption as well. i'm trying to see all of these as well, but governance, you know, how they can political east coast. and i didn't even the bids of the economy to what are the crow that happened during the day to conspire to put they to do. they kind of by environment we see right now the being laid by the young people. oh no. these for person to be affected by the economy of considering that a to some of them are going to school or the out of school, but they happen to joe and they have no hook. and that so they did just kind of environment to repeat the. ready question, well, how do you see this playing out? i mean, what can, what options does the canyon government has? does it have, if it's not going to pass this bill? what does it have to say to the international monetary fund in china as it gets around the debt that it does have?

well, especially in some news getting the developing story it's, it's a fortunate leaves that you've got to come to these that the last set to be last, the media or what $25.00. we don't know there is. so you go, yeah, people, well, extrajudicial, the show today, it used to do it. you did not have to come to these because good. yes, i expressed that this content that goodness to be so that kind of so uh uh and things that really students engage in kind of the time. so he's not going to us into the bid and spend to look for a structure that these young people. it's an important because to me, yet mostly you to miss the present because he appreciates the concise of the kenyan citizen having been as a politician for the last 30. yeah. not on housing. got paid on it and says for

mission agenda, he has to be trained to get done electric because in people, so he's not signing, but west of he's not signing the bill. so has he betrayed the canyon people? has he lost legitimacy? is, is he, is he not going to re gain some of that legitimacy? is this not an indication that he has listened to the people i don't legally cited you didn't have to come to these needs because of the 6. that's the point for the cost. the trends, the destruction of property, but maybe more people and they're excited to be sure to execution the security de see progress, but either nice watch. he's president the police in go to engage in an extra day should on somebody executions. will i guess the objections for young people? so i think going full, i better keep money just to, you know,

run through these 1st year term government solutions. he would have really an up with the task when he comes to the election because of like joseph goodness as we speak now. they may not know what to tell me like solutions. but i don't think it would be good for you to be an extra. i don't think you said it a, well, that is a long way away. and of course they say that a week is a long time in politics. the next election is 3 years away. let's see. i know how bad exactly did things get, you know, west and this talking about what he's cooling, extrajudicial killings. we've heard of journalists being injured. we've heard of a doctor who was helping to protest is dying from a gunshot wound. so just how bad things get, how worried when president william router would be about how things look not just to kenya, but with the united nations commenting on what's happening and kenya's image. it

went from there to quote. so you're getting it's, it's not really what we have not confirmed on the things, but what we're having, some of the kidding stuff happens and that will be on the front of and around 5 pm on the other kids that's happened at the front of in, around 3 pm. the scores of people who died. i think i'll be able to about a 5 pm. nobody knows bucks could be about that. and, but those, those numbers are going to be going from the can use that on the dry at the 9 by dominion studies under the pulse of kings in other parts of the country that haven't confirmed i think within the contamination of people trying to get to confirm what has to be happened during these products. i think it close, so i know that they mention to the products. uh secondly, the deployment of the military and slight boss yesterday. i think it was the 1st time that's getting themselves seen the government,

the drawings night busted the we've done protest us the night possible of me quite a lot of the cubans, including of the police officers. and so this will actually be done by this night passed on, the killings that happen in not so good variety. wow. by and media teddy from hopkins. and the number of people there was documents. i don't 5, it could be tied to it more than 20 people. and then the killings. uh, 10 pm. uh okay. when on, on the 5, nobody knows the number. okay, certainly very wiring reports that we will no doubt have confirmation of the coming days. how soon, what does president william russo and the government do now? is there a way for him, for them to please the people out on the streets, you know, 30 percent of whom are living in poverty? who absolutely say they cannot afford an increase in the cost of living. and the

international lenders outsourced. he's going to take the communication that communities they use that waiting this discount on some big issues and to, to come down to the ground day to me, they protest, i think be something that we can see that the presidency is trying to do the, just the press conference that you know, speaking and looking to to that it will be different from the tongue that i think the country had to use today. but we already set the concerns. we've got to the government's leading, needs to compromise. but number 2, as to a seriously perhaps a bit. so be sure task force to look into the kind of incense of grievances, but as well as come up with the prop those types of dealing with issues, i guess corruption and mismanagement of the economy. you know, the something that goes way back to the stuff we've, they kind of discretion,

you know, as well as the general attitude that to the doesn't but additions have what senior citizens, especially they, they jane see generation which they do not see. the patient don't seem to really understand very much, but fundamentally is going to be about a carl and t v 's a possibility that they're going to be policies. that number one factor in the interest of the country as one of the citizens, but also the direction of up to providing for the economy to be able to provide help and you know, employment as well as doable communities for the young people. then you can go a long way, you know, manual rating, the kinds of challenges they got, maybe specing, but also in starting the kind of they get to my student. government needs to be able to function because outside on the absence of suspicion that gets messy. it is very, very, had to be able to manage and control a country and we'll finish and west and i know that you think the government has lost a lot of legitimacy and how it's handled these protests. but can, does it have a fiscal repair pat plan? does it have the external support to manage this crisis kind of gets it together

and you'll view whether you use that exercise political with big country. because your last, what we may do the most do the suppose to raise money to expand the painting. fresh. yeah. but can yes, i see. you know, the money. that's because the government has bought it's ended up in people's book . it's good. now signature corruption is waiting to run, going to the government based on a lot of west each the government's asking us to leave within their limits. but the government officials are leaving much spinning out of my me more like getting some trouble. but i have to sit there and that's the good news to exercise. so standard dimensions present to maps know that these are comfortable to the people can you know, they are comfortable. good standing minutes is when i come to class today and the

what about? i don't think you most didn't do this. most institution sent the piece, the cabinet to people and not take it. they don't have to find a way out. you're okay. you was talking about it tests, i don't think we need to address these trust is suppose the thinking i meant to manage on site. you basically just know the issue support option or forward. you mean, what do you use to do? do show system which has to be affected. yeah. yeah. asking for these things to be for the criminal justice system that is responsible to their needs and they go to the wash and give them the job and they do christian system. that was where the good. what it did you purchase it, haven't got a system less than that assessment. that is certainly what the people out on the streets have been asking for the warranty. got about one minute left in the program

and i would like to hear from, let's see, i know, given everything that's, that's at stake. what people are asking for this, you know, president router saying he's not going to sign this bill. are you hopeful for this moment? in kenya for the country and for the, for the people is less. so that's not signing to these the beginning because one of the problems that i think i've seen the purpose of complaining about is the feeling that they're not being cock the product. so suggestive defending most of the canyons, the default to go to a court. i think people have descended and then what items there was public, public participation process. well, the 90 percent of opinions out including gifted to be the best of the say if you pass this be we some lead can but the bottom and the president went ahead and passed the be the other parts of people being, but i couldn't find them enough to up to a smart that's to me it seems empty, so i say, but being human community spot to be on this issue and i'm on the side,

the compromising of all institutions of government such as punishment is been displayed, okay? it is like all the issues that need to be something because people are concerned that the government is no, no, no problem sending us government doesn't become a one month. so i think cnas is 6 o'clock. we have run out of time, but thank you to all of our guests on this fast moving and developing story as we were quoting, that is how some kind in jail in nairobi west and that she now her in johannesburg and austin and num wire in nairobi and to thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website on to 0, dot com. and for further discussion to go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. a handle is at a inside story for me, elizabeth put on and the whole team here,

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