a tragedy and yes of violet, but it doesn't matter where you are. you'll have to be able to relate to the human condition. the i've been covering all of latin america for most of my career, but no country is a like, and it's my job defense life on how and why the projects it by the electorate. the conservative policy stuff is this was defeats in decades and the u. k. general election labor is taking kind of a promising change. but is it a watershed moment and you take politics and how will it shape the way the country is governed? this is inside store the

hello walk into the program on the fuck the u. k. has a new prime minister, gustavo has led the labor party to a land slide election victory 1st when and move in a decade. but i don't see electric truly embrace labor was. there's also a vote against the conservatives. and with 3rd parties on the rise is u. k. politics changing shape. we'll go to a panel in just a few moments time. but 1st offense and mullin has to support a landslide victory for labor up to 14 years on the outside. care storm are shifted as part he to work the center strategy that helped him to compute case new prime minister with respect to military invite you to join the government of service in the mission of national renew. outlook is urgent that we did it today.

the outgoing prime minister rekey sooner was the 4th conservative to hold the post in 6 years. many blame this leadership instability for the parties defeat. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss. the election also, so the rise of the anti immigration party reform u. k. it's leader, right wing populous nigel for raj, secure to see them parliament along with several others. many of the supporters, a former conservative voters, believe the party failed to deliver on the promises of immigration reform. we're going to come 2nd in hundreds of constituents is how many things we're going to win . i don't know what to have done this in such a short space of time says something very fundamental is happening. storm or face has many challenges. he's promised to grow the economy and improve living standards, redone public services, especially the struggling health care system,

and resolve the housing crisis. storm or is clear majority insurance, you'll have near free reign to push through his parties, policies in the house of commons. but one thing's for sure. those who voted for labor will expect results and soon vince monahan, how does the euro for inside story? the us. okay, let's bring in a guess. joining me from london is full my labor policy candidate for gloucester from boyd, from called pill in bed for cha. i'm joined by leon emma riley, a political commentator, and for my aid to you, take cabinet minister steve barkley and also in london is henry newman, a former senior advisor, divorce thompson, and conservative m p. michael gove a right will welcome to all of you. very well, welcome to inside story on this the historic moment, of course, in british politics upfront, i wonder if i can start by addressing you to someone that becomes the 1st person to

take his policy from opposition into power. in 27, he is no small feat. you stood on the steps of downing street and his point about the need to unify the country who is key a stop by a mine who is slow to with both the less than the center of his own polity. he's worked under the likes of jeremy called in before officially distancing himself from him. he's now played the center ground to we bronze the policy apart from winning. what does he stand for from? well, i guess they're about to find out. i mean, it is a huge majority and a huge achievement. i'm at the same time, it's plea a, you know, from across the political spectrum the people and the countries craft retained coming out, fix the news of declining living stand, it's obliteration about public services. and the big question is, is how the boss come labor deliver change on how follow they go?

because it is not clear for them to manifesto that well the offering in terms of economic change is going to be what the country um people are fated yesterday asking for. so that the not simply will quite the steering. you know, we've got one in full households who can't afford the living essentials. we've got skyrocketing poverty. we've got crumbling public services, whether that's tens with uh, whether that's our public tons full and it chests education. and from across the political spectrum, you know, we have seen stone as economic policy and debate to where he's, he's got prompts and criticized for not being bold enough when people actually asking to be tax taiyah to implement wells taxes and putting those things to be funding public sets they have very deliberately under timothy it's, i'm yeah, as you said, it was in the, in the clip is that people do want to see some change quite quickly because living

scientists have declined for so long. so that's the real challenge. this incoming government face is we'll see, you know, what they are able to deliver in the 1st 100 days. they promised the need deal for working people that was able to download. the unions criticize that being worked it down, but it's still that it's been promised to be delivered and it will make it an impact and kind of set the, the stage to really improving people's living side is the bottom 20 percent. i've had 15 years of decline and you know, are they going to be able to go far enough and all make that the slower enough to henry of front mention rachel reeves that she's going to be the 2nd powerful person in the government. the chance of exec, a finance minister for those who may not know what that exactly means, she is told repeatedly of quote, secure a no mix front isn't to show that that will be

a massive economic change. the way in which your labor run the country. but want just the fact that they put that as a priority, say about people's hopes and fees in the country at the moment. it was the interesting thing from said, the very beginning she said, we'll find out what his tom is actually going to do. as prominent start, i think we really know. i think in this election we've seen the conservative policy decisively ejected by the electorate. it doesn't get to a massive surprised stuff needs. what will the polls was suggesting for quite a long time? the labor party strategy through the selection has been to come up with a meaning balls held tightly between the 2 hands across the slippery floor. their intention was not to trip up not to slip, but not in that spot falls drop and they've succeeded. but it's a quite extraordinary result. not somebody's, of course, it's historic, but the labor parties vote shot is significantly below where the concept is, where in 2019, under the u. k. system that has given them of right big majority a historically drawer size. as i said,

we also saw some extraordinary losses on the conservative side with former prime minister will be at briefly lose trust losing his seat in no foot along with a host of different cabinet ministers. but as he said now the question, tons do, what will the future leave for government? do? who will cast alma put into the key positions? we suspect the ritual weaves a little bit. so you become the 1st female finance minister in u. k. history. she's a, in some respects impressive post and by do you think we've really understood much of what she wants to achieve? she talked about secure, know, makes it nice to require adult lecture. she gave some time ago, but i think the point she might be might be happy with a relative adult approach to managing the public finances. i might think, but that's, and they tried to argue this. so that change would be an effective way of transforming the country. that is essentially, they're all giving just stability is change. i don't think right it's, it's fair to say that because the country has been looking for a bit most ability of the most b is less that to you is the oldest had the key to, to labor success. i mean,

labels managed to get this big majority without really saying a huge amount about what they going to do. apart from what we've heard from stano, the steps of downing street a little bit earlier on. can you said should some more lights on 1st the, the so called main boss strategy that henry talked about what we on to page start to do? yeah, well i think the 1st thing to note is that this is not necessarily labeled as victory as a box and it is a conservative defense. i think more chemist on the policy of done is played an incredibly efficient campaign where they have wanting the seats. they needed to women to deliver this huge majority without necessarily having a huge share of the votes. and i think that is incredibly small, but it also is an indictment on the law. sol, tv is a conservative government. it is ultimately a rejection of the conservatives. it's not because of keeps drama. is this wildly

popular leader in the way that may be totally bland, was in 1997. it is simply a young, it's a change which i think has delivered the result that we've seen going back to, to the points made by from henry. we know so little about the case tom. uh and what his government going to do. because this has been a real sort of safety 1st election campaign from labor and kissed on. ultimately what he's been saying is, we are just going to do things differently to the conservatives. well, that looks like he cannot make tons in security and defense terms in what it means for the public services. we've gotten very little detail. the last thing to coming for 9 to coming in a couple of months will be very telling me soon and get a sense of where the keystone there is going to change the country or whether it might just be business as usual. and trying to button down the hatches and get britain back on track. so we didn't have

a great deal about summer and his team to be revealed. we do know about the fraud. we do know about the impacts that the party has had to pay in terms of the penalty it's had to pay because of its early response as well or ongoing as i mean won't permanent. and p a, jonathan ashworth, i mean, he was expected to joined the new cabinets as pay mazda generally lost to an independent who was particularly vocal on gauze. the other labor and peace of also seeing that a vote share decimated from reminds us of what life would go wrong here. why the party wasn't as vocal as perhaps he shouldn't be. yes, i mean we've seen west street and he's, he's only had on 2 seat by think just on the 600 votes. so. so yeah, this is a real key issue for the party and people in the thousands have, i'm not quite sure for labor as they have probably done for

a long time before. then because of labor's hesitancy in taking months to come out in favor of a ceasefire in gaza, this has had real detriment impacts. and i think there's also a kind of a why the question on how late is thinking about it's for him policy and how that is, you know, it's really not a, it's really not aligned with huge numbers of the previous supporters, whether that's young people, whether that's minority ethnic groups, you know, we're in 2024, we want to see a move in from policy. i'm actually uninstall. i'm a, i think this been huge disappointment across many different groups on this stones and obviously taking way too long. it to come out in favor of a ceasefire. and henry, talking about the phone policy. i mean, you were full of

a special advisor to michael, go to bow a strong certain. i've seen images of you where you're get breaks. it doesn't have to mean it was very much for the full front of your time. and number 10 is especially advise the body. i mean, i listen to the room who is actually mention, brett, so the tool i didn't here stop, i mentioned, breaks it on the steps of downing street and in his acceptance speech. why is that as well? i think in general, i think foreign policy is a major determining factor in most british elections. i think it's obviously true the in a number of states that was that kind of gauze or reaction. but it's, i think it was. i think i think if i was a lead strategist today, i would think, well, you know we, we lost a few crucial seats join us with as you mentioned, who was the shadow cabinet office. minnesota fell to an independent. but literally, i think if i was to leave a structure, so i'd be pretty happy with the result today. so i wouldn't be,

i wouldn't be so searching my so on that grounds i think just to bring with the question the 2019 conservative as a co edition, that was struck with a combination of different factors. i think it was a general fatigue with the rex. it paralysis that we've seen in the u. k. since the referendum in 2016, we had to ease amazed premier ship, which was unstable, especially when she last hub parliamentary majority and a 2017 smart election. and then, but it felt like the country could sort of noise to take a step forward nor a step backwards. i think that was from what was the old quote, is it that accurate desire to see an end to the end, to get back to the darkness as far as johnson promised that at the same time there was a kind of a policy of a leveling off which was designed to speak to the need to improve the economic and other fortunes of different parts of the country. and i think that was successful in winning restaurants and what being the largest consecutive majority, some stuff that she is. i don't think you were trying to look at what went wrong for the conservative party. it was partially abandoning that level and not mission

under what she's doing. i think the policy continued, and indeed my former boss michael, gave was responsible for quite a lot of significant progress. that part of it. we spoke about the actual in the election, we think, but she did not have a particularly made a big deal of it. he was much more keen to talk about the challenge of legal migration and the slow boat arrivals. but i do think we particularly proclaimed the successes of the u. k. outside the european union. and indeed that being as something of a sort, a conspiracy of silence for both for the main parties on brick steps, i think even the liberal democrats who are kind of the party, perhaps the mainstream national will cost you k bought the most likely to sort of want to rush more with europe, relatively quotes about breaks it compared to the previous elections, the scottish nationalist policy, which is obviously a party just in scotland seeking scottish independence, did speak more about rex it. but i do think that particularly help that fortunes, and indeed they fell about very significantly and now be left with fewer than a dozen. and these, nevertheless tennessee, usually on what storm

a has said when it comes to relations with your business. but so the deal that we've agreed to under the conservative say is, is a poll, well, not a better arrangement to come can be reached. do you think that's possible you it is possible. we've seen that actually from really seeing that the, the wings of framework that he negotiated did seem to bring the u. k, slightly closer to europe and seeking to be widely accepted by the business community. you know, this is a step in the right direction. i think what keeps tom a now has to do is balance a very broad coalition of audiences where you've got low is in the south putting up in areas who wanted to see that you can remain in the european union from the outset. and then you've got the seats in the north of england, which is strongly breaks the 2 states. the want to see the u. k. remain far away from europe. and i think for kia sedona, he now has to juggle the proceeds of that incredibly wide elect from coalition that

he is built. i do think that ultimately reality is going to dictate the u. k. and we'll have to have a closer relationship with the european union over time. i think that we are likely to see that happen more likely to see that happen under labor government. then we would have died under a conservative government because of the, the internal politics and the history within the 2 policies. but i think that could cost k a salma, a number of votes if that happens before the next election in 5 years time. and that could be the thing that spells the beginning of the end for guest on that, but we're getting ahead of ourselves discussing that at this point. i think ultimately what's dominant going to do with a big mandate with a big majority is trying bringing the country together strong united because treat your line under the division of breaks that we saw in recent times in politics and trying to move the country forward with a close relationship with the error button don't necessarily back into the fold in

the you that, that we will have the full breaks it. all right, let's talk about some of the challenges of uniting the country shortly. but 1st they let me give some context to our view is about precisely how you can election words. because so u. k. elections use what's called a 1st post, the post system photos choose the preferred candidates in the constituency, but there is no 2nd round of everything. the candidate with the most votes wins. that can lead to outcomes where the percentage of the vote is significantly different to the number of seats of policy winds. so for example, labor has one a large majority in parliament. the $412.00 seats, but only about 34 percent of the photo. 12 reform u. k. golden, 14 percent of the vote. but i need 4 seats uh from tony to you because when you case uh, 1st past the post uh system labor wins. as i mentioned, that with around 34 percent of the popular vote. i mean compare that to tony black back in 1997 where he gains just over around 43 percent of the vice. i mean,

of course, this is a labor line slide, isn't it? but so there's a problem here when it comes to legitimacy, isn't that? yes, i mean the date is when you come and you just put it last night, is that something majority, but without the something bite shower, it's less than 2 percent higher. then when the the chalet button 29 seeing are obviously bars johnson that the conservatives to huge majority, i think, you know, we're seeing that this and that tool system of best possible price isn't working for most part is across the country. there's also huge support for and that's for reform for propulsion or representation system within the labor party membership. and so it's going to be interesting if we can see a kind of bull base coalition from julio position policies from the greens to reform, to push for that to reform under this government. and whether they can bring across some of those like the empties. you also want see like to reform,

but the different, the, the way language should be thinking about it is that if you actually look at the bottom, it says that is a progressive majority, you know, in the country which could keep low. you know, the conservatives, our government, so the possible future. so, and that to the whole ship to come to live issue under this government because, you know, it's just not working full most supposed to select or system. and that's what we can see with these wild swings. from 2092 to now henry, you're shaking your head. yeah, i just, i think i well i think what if i was a, as i said before, if i was to leave a stretch just today who can help people. but i like to reform or think the systems just delivered us an incredible monday, but i take friends why the point like, fundamentally disagree with it. i think one of the best things auto system in brick is we have removal truck politics. the 1st post to post system that you're describing a 2nd to go creates quite large changes through elections. and it means that

typically was quite unusual type of coalition politics or some countries like coalition politics. but i think condition politics leads to sort of behind the scenes horse trading on different policies. so it gets on unclear to vote as well. they're really guessing, and it goes to empower minority interest as we've seen in many of the elections recently on the confident that you can end up with extremely somebody to the far left to point to explore the far right. constantly having deep roots in the government, i didn't, it's a good thing. i think it's a good thing. the probably the 2 main policies, the labor party and the conservative parties of both actually internal have their own coalitions, internally, labor parties, stretches all the way from donna and i to go through to let rights like with 3 things. the conservative party similes stretches from one nation to arrange all the way through to the e. o g. i like which is that sort of the story to just to interrupt. i mean, the house of about being the conservative policy is a kid. he is, he'll hey, i mean, who could now unite, what is incredibly polarized policy. i mean, all the conservatives, as we know them, toast, you know,

i choosing. so i think because of the party will have to change and will have to reflect very carefully on the selection results. and i think it's uh, that will inevitably be need to be imperative rebuilding. i don't think it's pre determined, but that has to be an enormous in total bloodletting which has happened off to previous to beach. but i could certainly foresee that happening. but just to finish on the electronic system, one criticism is often made of the u. k. system is that there are too many safe scenes where you'll vote doesn't count. i think last night and this morning we've just seen that isn't true. we've seen a supposedly safe seats like the seats of the former prime minister list trust in northbrook, where she lost on the electric rejected. i think that's one of the most exciting things, the bottle system. you know, when you go to cost you a boat in the ballot box at the putting station on us, the, as there's always isn't break, you know that your unit voting for a specific m p in your constituency. consistency is a relatively small areas. this 650 of them across the u. k. and the m p gets to

know the area pretty well. and it's a good m p shouldn't do a lot of there. and actually, i just don't think that's the case in countries and proportional systems. and i finally say that we had a referendum for changing of booting system in 2012 and it was decides to be defeated. okay, how do we find stuff about? so in the last few moments of this discussion, let's talk about some another story off the night. of course, that's what we've been saying. the overall picture when it comes to our labor, when probably couldn't be any clear, but something is hiding and the results here isn't it. namely the reform policy led by the architect of bricks. it's the right way, nationalist, politician nigel, for somebody known you a couple of years ago. i mean, the protection was that they would wouldn't feature to in any forthcoming election but, but come 2nd in a stock ring, $98.00 seats, legal burdens democracy appeared at least the color listing, coalescing around a single party, but the figures suggest something, something else is happening

a deep fracturing in british politics. a yeah, cool. fracturing cooling a fragmentation, but we all certainly entering a peer to british politics where they're all a mold into policies who you can choose from. and for the conservatives, one of the big reasons. so this defeat was, they went out flanked on the rights by nigel for all these reform policy. and the conservative line throughout the selection was very few. but before you will end up getting labor and i have to say that's come true in so many of the seats, whatever form the finish. second, because they've taken away a number of votes from conservative candidates and effectively create to, to a space the labor to walk through. so there is a fragmentation of politics, but it's not just reform that have done very well. it's been a fantastic night for the liberal democrats as well. it's been a good night's of degrees and we've also had a smattering of independence, also

a pickup seat. so there is a fragmentation of u. k. politics, i think for both labor. i'm the conservatives. they have to look at that by check, they have to look at the time to people and the type of demographic who have boating for them and one to how they can show rock bottom vote in lights of this fragmentation. i think that is something that has changed their business politics. innovation is probably post breaks it where we would the default up period. it was a case of it's labor. well the tories and there's not much going on beyond that. i think we have seen the fragmentation in but just politics and maybe that's a good thing over or, or bad thing, just picking up a layer on what you talked about. some fragmentation, the fracturing of british politics problem. we've got a couple of minutes left. i want to address you already mentioned a little bit, i wanted to show what happened in scotland and the scottish national nationalist party have been published. what does that say to you very briefly about the appetite for scottish independence as i mean on scotland. yeah, it's a, it's a really, obviously, pretty, uh,

disappointing night for us and p. they're obviously been in time while last couple of years. i mean in terms of what it means. subscription independence, i think again time labor deliver on living standards on people's done of living and deliver for the beauty of scotland. if they don't, then you know that may be a research and some of the some p. um, but yeah, for now, i mean in terms of what the, the, the polling is looking like on independence. it's not, it's not the top priority as, as with them many issues well is, is, is people's times of living getting investments of public services. and i say, you know, as we know, it was a huge rejection of the conservatives and in scotland as it was across the country and not definitely played into neighbors games. so i think the picture, you know, isn't totally clear that the scottish independence is off the table, you know, for the, for see it will future. but i think for the time being and east and west missed the

politics. s and p a. he needs to be weakened and so based how they take that loss and how they kind of decide to, to uh, you know, respond to it. and obviously in the scottish parliamentary elections next year, i think, all right, but from many thanks to the however, way you rotate this, britain's political landscape is very much a changing. it sounds like the end of the day. it is the gras sweets issue. that is a full front of folks, has mines from void, and we can even lee in a raleigh. great to have you on insight story. thank you. a thank you to you for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website, i would just say would don't com. and for further discussion, go to the facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. you could also join the conversation on x on handle is as a j inside story. for me in the fall and the whole team here, bye for now. the

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