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william roots so has hit the reset button on his government, dismissing almost his entire cabinet in a surprise shakeup, the decision comes on the heels of nationwide protests against the finance bill that would have led to tax increases under increasing public pressure, retail withdrew the proposed legislation, but demonstrators demanded accountability for the police, killing of dozens of young people and an into government corruption. while announcing the mass dismissal, present a route to a pledge to build a broad base government and engaged directly with his critics. but will it be enough to quote the anger of a nation? well del, deeper into these issues shortly. but 1st, this report by axles, aim of which after weeks of mass demonstrations and growing public anger, canyon president william brutal has sec to most of his cabinet. i have today decided to dismissed with immediate effect. or the company took studies, attorney general, of the public opinion of the company that of can accept the prime cutting. it took

34th quarter and the fast in dashboard up fast. the grass roots movement, led by young people, began peacefully tens of thousands, marched against a fine and spell that would have raised texas. but when and peace passed the bill, the demonstrations turns violent protests or storm departments complex. send fire to one of the buildings. police who would later be accused the brutalities used to live in munition and the crowds killing dozens of people having a day later president route. so we through the bill, but the demonstrations didn't and, and the demands change the calls for an end to government corruption. the cabinets, jacob peace rooters response. i will immediately engage inexpensive consultations across different sectors and political formations and attendance. both in public and private, with the aim of setting up

a broad base government. some kenyans have welcome to move other se the problem, so run deeper. the president mazda and she went back daddy's the got it. i was visiting for these individuals vision of the $0.42. the vision of these friends vision to be taken across the people we have from my professional, all those key level that key to the people. we want them all to go home. we want the president, what does the issues of all those people walk you? the formulas really rudo came to power 2 years ago, promising to help ordinary canyons. instead, he and his government are facing accusations of corruption and economic mismanagement. the president's maintained the finance bill was necessary to reduce public debts, which currently stands. it's $78000000000.00. he hope to pay off $2700000000.00 by raising taxes and introducing levies on essential items. now he's proposing

a budget cut of $1200000000.00. rudo faces a difficult balancing act satisfying international lenders by introducing go start with the measures while addressing concerns at home for millions are struggling to make ends meet. c the question now is whether the president can win back canyon support with a new government and budget access i much out to 0 for inside story the . all right, let's go ahead and bring our guest. they're all joining us from. i robi silvan essaro is a member of the kenyan parliament, representing the governing party. he voted in favor of bad finance bill. 10 get on you is a researcher on good governance and accountability. she's also the former coordinator for a civil society campaign that highlighted the impact of public debt on the economy . and finally, got it to shake off is an activist and member of the communist party of kenya. he

took part in some of the last months protests, a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story kind of to let me start with you today is a sacking most of the cabinet as president rudo has done the answer to kenya's problems right now. you protested, you're out in the streets with other protesters, other activists. does this action by the president say to you that he is listening to the demands of the protesters? no, no, it does not. let me up to you just how to decided to go about. this is stuff that you're going to do to cut the net. that's just an abroad function watches you talked about is the fact that he's going to bring in the position to the dark gray know the and the as near plenty. sean, it's probably, it's probably a dozen bridgestone the next coming in on the basis of what you shouldn't be doing to people. that means that you're going to go back to a situation that can kind of run by can. can you see that the solution the can cannot causing some patches and you did not walk out of the canyons,

but keep well that's nothing but keep you both. i do not think you do not. i think it has be needing the particulars, looking what they want to go, because as i start getting for everyone who is listening is hushed on, joel must go spend the time we have the new and in the country, which is yes. and we'll just like to shame on you. right? i would just like to say about the finance deal is not something that i'm shopping in. some of the something that we can see in that team dropping it is showing that to me because instead of the interview that you've done and it's maybe it's very clear direction. and really and not he is proud to be with that his boss has actually said that the piece once the yes, but that's the beauty to be the progress. and so the degree type is this nation. and on top she passed the actual patient. now the patient is

a touch teacher, but not the financing option to do to where the money is coming. that progression is know the, the money that just because it is how it's going to be distributed, not to deposit, but not built into the deposit. but he bought the applications and building. so now the student is going to be getting this like the big in big single point, the law and the policy. yes. the government usage to the people who don't to savannah's you voted for that controversial finance bill that president router ultimately scrapped. do you think that he was wrong to a band and it certainly don't. i'm not totally devalued font. yes, i also not realize to my colleagues as the 2 people, the national assembly of the majority of thoughts. yes, we, i mean we must be the,

at least if we have a country that passed across the country in 2010, we choose to longest that we must maintain that kind of people. the past will have 4 to 7, calling this across the country. but they want to pay this stuff, is that given people that's set expense systems of government that our total most, including the judiciary is the king and people that give, that is supposed to be added to the previous government, the boss. and that's the new system of education call should be c. that's why as an additional, $66000.00 teachers at the to teach their students in cost. but ideally, the budget is a plan, a big someone, me, the only way government makes money is to texas. and we have to grow the president had to find that way to broadband, the tax base. that was one of the one option. you have the option of broadening the x based on a bottle. we what my great in this funding values are saying,

i'm telling mission one. you don't tell him also, it is also simple for our country to be it and that's on $48.00. what i'm thing done all fast. i mean, that is what, as the work done, mix done it downstairs and that is what they need. all the inputs and civil. i mean on all i, several items i bought it from different countries. that is what we do just a bit of a texas on the finished products, not located model function products. and then we have a game out and we give uh, we also embed, thank been the proposal 0 read back says on role materials for adults finished product. so to be able to get those companies 5th, best and industrial area unemployed and people. so people, you know, coming on and it gives you the book back prostitution, a ways of stating our way,

the president. i'm back and only happening to bundle all these as bags on it slips . i always the cool you can only happen when we go to the bottom. so getting hopefully funded. yes. even if the bill came to be, i still volunteers because i know the countries when he had the sports and the budget, i'll decide how that budget. i will get to close the details, so if i don't speak the friday or they have to give it to to the stopped so long as i'm going to get back to about some of the points you're making just a minute to get it to. i know you want to jump in, but i want to go to want you to a right now move to it has dismissed most of the cabinet. that is the headline here, but i want to dig a little deeper. i mean, how is this being seen by the public? is this seen as though there is actually going to be a new government in place? where is this being seen is just the removal of a few officials. and if these officials are removed, who is now in charge of these government portfolio? well, thank you so much mohammed and it's good to be here to add my voice onto this. i'm

yes, route to has dismissed the entire company next. but of course, the lack of legitimacy of the government stems from his management of the economy and his management of the public service. he's been a very hands on a president who's really weekend and compromised. um, you know, for the patients such as oral, much as he's making a very, a spirited argument. there's so many a gaps in the, the narrative that teams that he's sharing he has to do so much as the, you know, i know and say he's an outgoing president because he's really the, i'm the trust and confidence of the majority of ken. yes. much as really a mutual has and now am is, you know, these old bisk, a cabinet, i mean planning to put up another one. you have to remember that the problem with the cabinet stems from the appointments. he made your point of people who had cases

corruption, cases, mother, cases of rape cases in, in front of the cartridge rule. and he venue, he's made kind of things to help those cases we've drawn through, but the p p. p. then to be deep, can be a pointed him to a much higher position and then a point these people. so actually the highest chances of getting into retros cabinet was to have some charges before the clocks, a ceiling, public money, all kinds of criminal activity. then the other thing is, competence. some of the people here pointed applications, i think would be good enough that they have plenty to, but it can be run the government. so we have moved to a pointed company. net settings, i had no confidence and couldn't perform. he then proceeded to have it the policies that i actually have been m t re next on his a manifesto promises because it was supposed to be the government to assist the

business, plus just small businesses, money in the pockets opinions. and he's done exactly the opposite because he gotten ones that i had took up the i am want you to, i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt, but may i may, i just ask you cuz you're making a point about economic policies just very quickly. i want to ask you, you know, there is this cost of living crisis in kenya. the economic conditions are worsening . what is it going to take to tackle can use financial was i'm, there's been a, there's a need to cut down on wasteful spending. there's a lot of duplication in the budget. there's a lot of excessive spending to allowances through administrative costs. unnecessary trouble, single shot to organizations are present in presently combing through the budget and they're confident they can find a trillion shootings which is about a possibly 8 or 8000000000 us d of waste. another thing that happens much as

a sorry thing that we and not to the very expensive constitution, the national government ways bill has continued to increase. as we implemented the constitution. it was supposed to decrease as those functions. and it says, uh, decentralized to the local level, and we've been there, it's been over employment, there's been a lot of waste. there's also been corruption. the money to general find content pounds for almost another 8000000000 usb in terms of build money. so the accountability option and what the gen z protest and really re bolt is about in the belt at comfortability to the cultural governments. it's about the kind of lead us, it's about respecting the public by listening to public participation and giving us using sounds evidence because the argument that you, inc tax is wrong to get more revenue doesn't hold more to the data of the pilot,

meant to budget office shows that the growth in taxes and has actually been taxes have been the same because these, oh, but taxation rather these are need to copy expenditure and then put the expenditure instead of funding for political projects that are, you know, benefiting a few the money where it's mental value, and that is what punishment has completely missed and misrepresented opinions. give it to i see you reaction to what want you to was saying and also your reaction early to what solve it. so and this was saying, look, i want to also ask you about the fact that, you know, you've dissatisfaction with rudo that began before these proposed tax hikes. right . i mean, what else were the protestors who came out in the streets upset about prior to to this latest bill that was eventually withdrawn? i mean there are so many things include,

talk about match last. let me just highlight the one you know, that gives you the very best theme or the penny to see so that they want to cost a die that they have been pushing point funded this in cutting. then this being quite interesting sharing see sharing the fusion. well, almost can, it's saying he's the beach of the things that they cannot do cannot crush and stuff like getting genetic seeds that they provide their own so that they can fire from governmental small companies in times. so that was kind of nice. oh, isn't the process of being used by plenty? which means then the palmer would you be getting dependent on on, on the b? that's a be privatized as sort of 2 companies take more time to watch so that they come out to get seems to plan that they have so many laws or punitive measures that the

government is taking on top of things like this. when this call that's um financial yeah. we have um no us but exempt white stick the maintenance fee of those they go to not. i mean, no, i'm pretty sure it's always been coming and say, well, me see, i'm just up to you. but you don't know that that's what i did. but the government actually time, same was not. it came in on budget into the split, which essentially means that you release was not even 84 enough enough to come in by not. i don't want to think what it matched is x must be access by can you, did you really want to do to another institution or community, but let me just stay on top of it. and people still sort of look toward buy a global card that you guys have received to meet in teams. h a n d stopped a were just for this by asking the pilot m p m i m p o g. just just give me the,

on some of these instructional digits to present. you've got the actual design and piece. i'd like to actually, um, jake, in just 2 minutes cheating. so we know for well that there's so many people are you proud of working? yes, but it's been but so obviously the people is not one of them. not saying don't fucking the mustard. i'm not getting a g i. g 's and one of us um president rudo has said that he'll set up a broad based government. many have taken this to mean that perhaps he is suggesting that he will attempt to bring the opposition into some form of unity government going forward. do you think we can see that happen? it is only the president that has got to be shown for the government that he wants to back. and then he finish john's of about broad weight government. the government can only be defined by he and thrown, you know, he's uh, advice on those people that sit around and um it's, it's just guess what,

when people say he wants to bring in the mean guy wants to bring in that the position lead us all that is, guess what, i mean if i brought the best government english down. so i really may be regional by loud as it may, being them expect to use balancing and then such. but i don't want to go without responding to an occasion that i may have to watch that members of parliament on the payment of co bride both to meet with phoenix. i mean, really, people, i don't allow us to protest, but they also, they should also respect that it's of us. each member of parliament has he's own brain. and by the way, before one becomes available by the man. besides being a member of parliament, we have professional, i might not look into that. i could okay, now, these kind of them when i think politicians, you know that calling that ma'am. so, you know, you know, when you form a copy that you need not to ask for the digits before a company that i'm going to finish, does a company, it's a good that is for

a professionals office. i can be either professional enough, profess angel, even before joining politics be was practising. these are professional dicks politics is not the one, the connecticut president of the republic. okay. now is the just the name. so unless you want to wait by say, quarter past, ought to be an event that will stay the only practice by that light. even though they say that we have to ask ourselves to know which ones we have all kinds of problem. we have a system to run that we'd be given a bike and that's been the proposal. we lease the governing proposal that he's raised. everybody has an opinion you want. you have an opinion on most of the a point that you have an opinion on most of the top and bottom and you don't have an opinion or for those 2 big seats. don't, you know, can only be big the site to the bottom of the ones you're saying, i saw your website, we got people on the elections that people can do that fights blue designs and that

is what members of parliament do i have to go like if i had to present that people, so i was more gravel not contract. we've been acquainted with the idea of what my concern was. copy. i'm kind of division. i make a do a room at the end of because of the connected to collection of the can i just put my con, oh, people wait until the 2027 on the have me out. you don't go back to insulting the need that you don't go. that's the allegations i'm supposed to ship it out, i guess. all right, buddy. you're going to, that's the rule. i'm for parking. lots of different institutions. i mean, you can't clear my one on one site that you want me to think governmental that goes to digital goodness. but on the other side, you're getting the student that's a big phipps, but i've been said by the very simplistic bishop. so then of course won't being an event. i'm telling you, right? we are still. we're just starting to run out of time and i want to get back to 10 because um, i want to ask you about the fact that present route. so he's facing

a population that struggling due to the cost of living, which we were talking about earlier, but he's also facing demands of lenders like the international monetary fund, which wants to see him cut deficit. so how does he thread this needle? i mean, how, how do you go about trying to fix this problem? the body, the, all of us would be a savannah? no, no, sorry. i was asking ones, you know, i used to occupying space and they do not have basic. they forget that they are bound by the national values under the constitution, not only citizens. and the cost of the articles of the constitution is we are the people and the power, the gated to them is delegated by the people. okay. yeah. out of the country back that power, and that is what jim's he has done because all members of punishment do not listen to the professional advice of the body to general. do not listen to the professional advice of the parliamentary, but it also has been told that they have for us to meet with the revenue target that informs the budget in the past,

please. they do not listen to anybody. they don't listen to business, but say they're struggling because they are over test. and then they come and talk really disrespectfully, they have been called the largest option, housing africa by fennel, m p's. i need to speak to the piece of interpreter, they'll tell you wrong, and the culture is right in the house of plenty of means. yes. can be kids at professional. nobody can just sold out his because he has all that seen the motto, but he needs 43. although it tends to use you for practicing against the cost of living. how and more and is that this government has lost their new opinions and maybe on the issue of i missed the i am, it's has condition knowledge is that it has put in place. unfortunately, we have to go to has been unable to balance the demand to be, i miss and the needs of pinions. and what he needed to have done is, was clean up the rule because these that lot that is in the dead in the ditch

register that was put to watch um through corruption. that is not something kenyans . so he needed to stand up against me. i missed the other thing is but international global system wants against countries such as kenya days, i'm now actually full of dead consolation because all that debt has been put on speculative basis behind closed doors and upgrade to the constitutions of those countries. and based on a ruling for most of the people, the ones that actually own people, the people. so the move to actually have disc cancellation because we're moving to a new role neil colonial structure that he's not watching put countries in africa and random how governments and how do you mean like we are hearing our, our single opinion here. speaking the content and look up the public interest in the public schools because their leaders don't do the right thing because the due

diligence by the lender. there's also no why should can be either. so the people who may have said no to this, and they are demanding a change beyond the resignation of firing. but happiness, they, upon the mental changes that need it on the table, including removal of the time you mention who shouldn't have been on the boat. because the icbc, when do you want to use the scene? i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we're just starting to run out of time. and i, i see that kind of to once to interject to your credit and we only have a couple of minutes left. uh, it looks like you want to add to the discussion. but i also want to ask you about this particular fact. rudo has said that he seeks to engage with the protesters going forward. it's been reported that there was an event on the x, the social media platform last week in which he was engaging with young kenyans. do you see these efforts as being is being authentic as being genuine? do you think he is going to be engaging with members of your generation with

protesters going forward? plus the boosted that's based somewhat tannel has really been sidelined on social media is been thrown out of the movement precisely because she did that expensive hotels that do that, which that gives me. so once you get the c to full with all of these purchase something going on, i think i need to be to get to this. this guy was interviewed by the neighbors investigate kind of problem. what are the people that is within the interview? you will act by the next guy, one of the, one of the things on that is, what do you know of that of all of the child was killed. you guys. she's maybe just news comfortably human touch. but the one point, do you follow up with working at that time? but then you said the times, i mean she and it was kind of some that stuff makes you wonder if just somebody

that you go i you me and then you went on to know that you're just back to been done something also police officer and then show up that check and then when do you been sick? that says, well, the kid doing good just that was to make me yes i do. this is just that that being crushed. the i'm so i'm sorry, sorry to interrupt, but we have but we've run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation that they get into we've, we've, we've run out of, we've run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there, but thank you all for joining us. thanks to all of our guest silvan us as oral ones you know, get calling you and, and get it to shake. and thank you to, for watching. you can see the program again any time a visiting our website observer dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. you can also turn the conversation on x r handle is add a j inside story for me and how much i'm doing the whole team here, bye for now,

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