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william roots so has hit the reset button on his government, dismissing almost his entire cabinet. in a surprise, jacob, the decision comes on the heels of nationwide protests against a finance bill that would have led to tax increases. under increasing public pressure, retail withdrew the proposed legislation, but demonstrators demanded accountability for the police, killing of dozens of young people and into the government corruption. while announcing the mass dismissal, present route, to pledge to build a broad base government and engaged directly with his critics. but will it be enough to quote anger of a nation without the parentheses as you shortly, but 1st, this report by axles i am of which after weeks of mass demonstrations and growing public anger canyon, president, billy and brutal has sec to most of his cabinet. i have today decided to dismiss with immediate effect or the company at tech studies. i'm the attorney general of the public of can you open the company that of can except the prime company took 30

foot in the fast en dash, but a fast grass roots movement led by young people, began peacefully tens of thousands, marched against the fine and spill that would have raised the taxes between and peace passed the bill. the demonstrations turns violent. protest are stone, depart them, it's complex, send fire to one of the buildings. police who would later be accused the brutalities used live in munition and the crowds killing dozens of people. i think a day later, president routes. so we through the bill. but the demonstrations didn't and, and the demands change the calls for and meant to government corruption. the cabinets, jacob piece rooters response. i will immediately engage inexpensive consultations across different sectors and political formations and attendance. both in public and private with the aim of setting up

a broad base government. some kenyans have welcome to move other se the problem, so run deeper. the president mazda ensure that daddy's the got it as visiting for these individuals. vision of any petitions, the vision of these friends. this shouldn't be taken across the people we have from our professionals. all those key level that key to the people and we want them all to go home. we want the president, what does the issues of all those people walk you? the formulas really rudo came to power 2 years ago promising to help ordinary canyons. instead, he and his government are facing accusations of corruption and he cannot make mismanagement. the president's maintained the finance bill was necessary to reduce public debts, which currently stands. it's $78000000000.00. he hope to pay of $2700000000.00 by raising taxes and introducing levies on essential items. now he's proposing

a budget cut to $1200000000.00. rudo faces a difficult balancing act, satisfying international lenders by introducing go start with the measures. while addressing concerns at home, millions are struggling to make ends me. c the question now is whether the president can win back canyon support with a new government and new budget. access i much out to 0 for inside story the. all right, let's go ahead and bring our guest. they're all joining us from. i robi silvan essaro is a member of the canyon parliament, representing the governing party. he voted in favor of that finance, built 10, get corneo is a researcher on good governance and accountability. she's also the former coordinator for a civil society campaign that highlighted the impact of public debt on the economy . and finally got it to shake off as an activist and member of the communist party

of kenya. he took part in some of last month's protests, a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside. so it kind of to let me start with you today is a sacking most of the cabinet as president rudo has done the answer to kenya's problems right now. you protested, you're out in the streets with other protesters, other activist is this action by the president. say to you that he is listening to the demands of the protesters. no, no, it does not me up to you just how did you say, did you go about this? you said that you're going to do it a company that's based on a broad point. you shouldn't, what did you talk to about is the fact that she's going to bring in the position to the dark gray know the and the as a new position. it's probably, it's probably that's a good phone. the next coming next, or they're busy. so what you showing we do is people that means that you're going to go back to a situation that can kind of run by can, can you know that she made that decision that otherwise i can,

can now cause some patches. and that did not walk on both occasions, but keep, well, that's nothing but keep those. um, i do have to do the not. i think it has the meeting, the yeah they, the participants looking what they want to go. because as i start getting for everyone who is listening is hushed on, joel must go spend time. we have the new an in the country, which is yes, i would just like to shame on you. right? i would just like to say about the finance abuse is not something that a dropping itself is something that we can see in that team dropping it is showing that he missed it because instead of the interview that you've done and it's maybe it's been clear direction control and really and not he is proud of the people that his boss has actually said that the piece is what the yes, but that's built to be the progress. and so the degree type is this nation. and on top she passed the patients. now the occupation is attached to the button

on the side, not the option to do to where the money is coming. that preparations is no the, the money that should be going back to this college going to be distributed not to deposit but not built into the deposit, but he thought the application and building. so now the student is going to be getting this paperwork in big single point. the law and the policy. yes. the government usage to the people who don't to savannah's, you voted for that controversial finance bill. the president router ultimately scrapped. do you think that he was wrong to a band and it certainly don't, i'm not totally devalued font. yes, i also not be like michael lukes as the 2 people the national assembly of the majority of thoughts. yes, we, i mean we must be the, at least if we have

a country that passed across to touch them in 2010. we choose to longest that we must maintain that kind of people. that past will have 47 colleges across the country. but they want to pay their stuff, it is like getting people that sit expense systems of government that our total much including the judiciary areas that can people that give, that is supposed to be added to the previous government, the boss. and that's the new system of education called bc. that's a boy as an additional $66000.00 teachers at the to teach the students in cost. but ideally the budget is a plant, a big someone, me. the only way government makes money is to texas. and we have to grow the funding that we brought the tax base that was one of the one option. the ability to products x best overboard or we what my grade induced by me. it varies i saying,

and telling mission one, you don't tell him also, it is also simple for, for our country to be it. and that's on $48.00. what i'm big demo fast. i mean that is what is the work done next on downsize the deep all the impulse and civil. i mean on all i did several items. i bought it from different countries. that is what we did just a bit of a texas on the finished product, not locate model fucked products. and then we have the game out and we give, uh, we also think been the proposal to build it back fast on all materials for adults finished product. so to be able to get those companies fit the best thing and that's what area unemployed and people. so people you know, coming on and it isn't usually the book back of the digital ways of stating our way,

the president. i'm back that only happening to bundle all these as bags on it slips . i always the cool you can only happen when we go to the bundle. so you're getting to the point of us. even if that bill came to be, i still volunteers because i know the countries when he had the sports and a budget, i would just say now that budget i will get to close the details. so if i speak the few minutes as to the steps, so long as i'm going to get back to about some of the points you're making just a minute to get it to. i know you want to jump in, but i want to go to want you to a right now. um move to a has dismissed most of the cabinet. that is the headline here, but i want to dig a little deeper. i mean, how is this being seen by the public? is this seen as though there is actually going to be a new government in place? where is this being seen is just the removal of a few officials. and if these officials are removed, who is now in charge of these government portfolio? well, thank you so much mohammed and it's good to be here to add my voice onto this. i'm

yes, route to has dismissed the entire company next. but of course, the lack of legitimacy of the government stems from his management of the economy and his management of the public service. he's been a very hands on a president who's really weekend and compromised petitions such as oral, much as he's making a very, a spirited arguments. there's so many a gaps in the narrative that he and so he's sharing he up to date so much as the, you know, i know and said he's an outgoing president because he's really the m, the trust and confidence of the majority of kenyans much as really a mutual has and now am is, you know, these old bisk, a cabinet, i mean, trying to put up another one. you have to remember that the problem with the cabinet

stems from the appointments. he made your point to people who have cases, corruption, cases, mother, cases of rape cases in front of the tribunal. and he venue, he's made kind of things to help those cases we've drawn through that, he's going to be pointing to a much higher position. and then a pointed these people. so actually the highest chances of getting into retros cabinet was to have some charges before the eclipse ceiling, public money, all kinds of criminal activity. then the other thing is competence. so the people here pointed applications, i think would be good enough that they have plenty to, but it can be run the government. so we have moved to a pointed company. net settings by of no confidence and couldn't powerful feedback proceeded to have a good moment. policies that i actually have been in the limit on his a manifesto promises because it was supposed to be the government to assist the

business. plus just small business is money in the pockets opinions. and he's done exactly the opposite because he got in one day they took up the i am want you to, i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt, but may i may, i just ask you cuz you're making a point about economic policies just very quickly. i want to ask you, you know, there is this cost of living crisis and kenya, the economic conditions are worsening. what is it going to take to tackle kidney is financial was i'm, there's been a, there's a need to cut down on wasteful spending. there's a lot of duplication in the budget. there's a lot of excessive spending to allowances through administrative costs. unnecessary trouble and civil side to organizations are present in presently combing through the budget and they're confident they can find a trillion shootings, which is about a possibly 88000000000 a usb of waste. another thing that happens much as a, sorry saying that to me,

we and not to the very expensive constitution, the national government waynesborough has continued to increase. as we implemented the constitution, it was supposed to decrease as those functions. and it says, uh, decentralized to the local level, and we've been there, it's been over employment, there's been a lot of waste. there's also been corruption. the money to general find contact pounds for almost another 8000000000 usd in terms of their own money. so the accountability option and what the jen z protest i'm really re bolt is about in the belt at comfortability to the cultural governments. it's about the kind of lead us, it's about respecting the public by listening to public participation and giving us using sounds evidence because the argument that you,

inc tax is wrong to get more revenue, doesn't hold water. the data of the pilot meant to budget office shows that the growth impacts isn't, has actually been taxes have been seen because these oh, but taxation rather these that need to cut the expenditure and then put the expenditure instead of funding the political projects that are you know benefiting a few the money where it's mental value and that is what punishment has completely missed and misrepresented opinions. kids who i see you reaction to what want you to was saying and also your reaction early to what solvent. so and this was saying, look, i want to also ask you about the fact that, you know, youth dissatisfaction with rudo that began before these proposed tax hikes. right. i mean, what else were the protestors who came out in the streets upset about prior to to this latest bill that was eventually withdrawn? i mean, there are so many things include, talk about slides. last,

let me just highlight the one you know, that gives you the agreed very best theme or the puny to speak so that they want to cost a. that is that they have been pushing point funded this in cutting. then this being cards and sharing see sharing the fusion. well, almost can it seem to be each of the things that they cannot do cannot cross and stuff like getting genetic seeds that they provide their own that they can bicycle from governmental small companies lately in time. so that was kind of nice on, isn't the process of being used by money, which means then, but how much would you be getting dependent on, on, on the b that's will be privatized. and sort of 2 companies like more time to watch so that they come out to get seems to plant that they have so many laws or you know

that the government is digging on top of things like this when this product. um, so imagine yeah we have um no us but exempt white stick the maintenance fee of those the not, i mean no i'm pretty sure so has been coming and say, well we think i'm just up to you, but you do know that that's what the government actually time, same was not it can, yeah. and on the budget into the split, which essentially means that you really easily forgotten even before and not enough to come into. my hope was to think what it matched is x must be getting access by can you did you really want to do to another institution or community, but let me just stay on top of these and people still sort of look toward by echo we'll come back to you get to me on t h a n d stopped a were just for this by asking the pilot m b m i n t o just i'm just getting on

some of these instructional digits to present you guys and piece i'd like to actually, um, jake, in just to mention him, so we know for well that there's so many people try. you're proud of working. yes, but it's been but so obviously the people is not one of the nothing don't fucking. and that's definitely a good reason why silver us um president router has said that he'll set up a broad based government. uh many have taken this to mean that perhaps he is suggesting that he will attempt to bring the opposition into some form of unity government going forward. do you think we could see that happen? it is only the president that has got to be shown for the government that he wants to back and then finish john's of about broad weight government. the government can only be defined by he and thrown, you know, he's uh, advice on those people that sit around him. and um it's, it's just guess what,

when people say he wants to bring in the mean guy wants to bring in the position, lead us all. that is guesswork. i mean, if i brought the best government english time, so i really may be regional by loud as it may, being them expect to use balancing and then such. but i don't want to go without responding to on occasion that i may have to watch that members of the bottom, it's on the payment of, of bright, both to meet with phoenix. i mean, really, people, i don't allow us to protest, but they also, they should also respect that it's of us. each member of parliament has he's own brain. i'm buying the week before one becomes available fella, man. besides being a member of parliament, we have professional. i might not look at the, i could okay. now these kinds of them when they are using politicians, you know, that calling that man. so, you know, you know, when you form a copy that you need not to have for the digits before,

a company that i'm going to finish doesn't come, but it's a good that is for a professional purpose. i can be of a professional and a professional. even before joining politics be was practising me. these are professional only takes politics is not the one of the connecticut, but president of the republic. okay. now is the same house unless you want to wait about a quarter past that to be and, and that they had to stay and then only participate in that light. even though they say that we have to ask ourselves funding and which ones we have all kinds of problem. we have a system to run that we'd be given a bike and that's but the report both. oh nice and the governing proposals that he's raised. everybody has an opinion you want, you have an opinion on most of the a point that you have an opinion on most of the top and bottom as even have an opinion or are those 2 big seats don't, you know, can only be fix the sites to the bottle of the ones or so you know, social constructs, we get people on the elections that people can do that fights blue designs and that

is what members of parliament don't have to continue to fight. i represent the people. so i was mcgonigal contract. we've been a quote with the 5 years of my contract post copy. i'm kind of busy, so i may need to wait a row at the end of because a connected to collection of cigna child support might have gone. oh people wait until the 2027 on the have me out. don't go back to insulting. there the lead us. you don't go. that's the allegations. i'm supposed to ship it out. i guess. all right, buddy. you're going to, that's the rule. i'm for parking. lots of different institutions. i mean, you can't clear my one on one site that you want me to perfect. think governmental that goes to digital goodness. but on the other side, you're getting the student. that's a big step that i've been said by the very simplistic bishop. so then of course, what being at the right, we are still. we're just starting to run out of time and i want to get back to 10

because i want to ask you about the fact that present routes. so he's facing a population that struggling due to the cost of living, which we were talking about earlier. but he's also facing demands of lenders like the international monetary fund, which wants to see him cut deficit. so how does he thread this needle? i mean, how, how do you go about trying to fix this problem? the body, the, all of us would be asked to savannah. no, no, sorry. i was asking one year ago i used to occupying space and they do not have basic. they forget that they are bound by the national values under the constitution, not only its citizens, and the cost of the articles of the constitution is we are the people. and the power delegated to them is delegated by the people of the country back that power. and that is what jens, he has done because the members of punishment do not listen to the professional advice of the body to general. do not listen to the professional advice of the parliamentary by the office, but told them they have over estimated the revenue targets that inform the budget

in the past. please. they do not listen to anybody. they don't listen to the business, but say they're struggling because they are over taxed. and then they come and talk really disrespectfully, they have been called the largest option housing asked the guy by fennel m p's. i need to speak to someone in peace of interpreter. they'll tell you brown envelope culture is right in the house of punishment. yes. can dick, he is a professional. nobody can just sold out his because he has all that seen the mother needs 43. although i tend to use you for practicing against the cost of living, how immoral is that this government has lost their new opinions and maybe on the issue of i miss the i am, it's has condition knowledge that it has put in place. unfortunately, really i'm who to has been unable to balance the demand to be i am in the needs of pinions. and what he needed to have done is, was clean up the rule because these that lot that is in the debt in the debt to

register that was put to watch um through corruption that is not sobbing cancer. so he needed to stand up against me. i missed the other thing is the international global system wants against the countries such as kenya days. i'm now actually full of debt cancellation because all that debt has been put on speculative basis behind closed doors and conquering to the constitutions of those countries. and based on a ruling, and for most of the people, the ones that actually didn't table the people. so based on move to actually have disc cancellation because we're moving to a new role, new colonial structure that he's not watching the countries in africa. i ran him how governments and how do you mean like we are hearing our, our single opinion here. speaking the content and look up the public interest in the public schools because their leaders don't do the right thing because the due

diligence by the lender. there's also don't know why should can be either. so the people who may have said no to this and they are demanding a change beyond the resignation of firing. but happiness, the upon the mental changes that need it on the table, including removal of the time you mention who shouldn't have been on the boat. because the icbc wanted you to see a scene. i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we're just starting to run out of time. and i, i see that kind of to wants to interject to your credit and we only have a couple of minutes left. uh, it looks like you want to add to the discussion, but i also want to ask you about this particular fact. rudo has said that he seeks to engage with the protesters going forward. it's been reported that there was an event on the x, the social media platform last week in which he was engaging with young kenyans. do you see these efforts as being, is being authentic as being genuine?

do you think he is going to be engaging with members of your generation with protesters going forward? most of the most at that space was somewhat tannel has really been sidelined on social media. is the oscar science. it's thrown out of the movement precisely because she did that expertise in rudolf that you told him that which that gives me . so once you get the she to full with all of these purchase company going on on the computer. this guy was interview badge, 100 neighbors investigate kind of probably headquartered top of that is we've been the interview. you will act by the next grade. kind of one of the, one of the things on that is, what do you know of did all of the child was killed, engine guides, excuse me. i'm just, i'm fully human touch. but do you want point, do you just want to give it that time? but then you set the time, i mean she and you told me i left some that stuff makes you wonder is just somebody

that you go i you me and then you went on to know that i figured this back to been done. something also police officer and then shot that check. and then when the human sick that says, well the kid doing good just that it was to make me yes i do. and this is just that, that being crushed. the, i'm sorry, sorry, sorry to interrupt, but we have but we've run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation that they get into we've, we've, we've run out of, we've run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there, but thank you all for joining us. thanks to all of our guest silvan as a solo ones you will get calling you and uh, and get it to shake. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again, any type of visiting our website. i'll just you or com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash age and side story. you can also turn the conversation on x r handle is add

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