speaking we were standing up. he was speaking, all of a sudden we heard ha, ha, ha, sounded a lot like fireworks. then we realize they're all the secret service is at least 4 of them jumped on the stage, pushed him down. and all the they were the news people that were random on the front, they pushed them all down to the ground. and then the man with the guns go come up and they start clearing the area and i hear them clear one clear to clear, right? clear left, lift them up, so they lift president trump up from the ground. present to him says, i want to get my shoes on. i heard that directly from him. they must have fallen off when he pushed him down. on his right cheek was a tear drop of blood right here. then when he turned, you could see the right here from the top of the year to the bottom. blood wasn't pouring blood, but it was blood like a piece. then they walked him down the steps and put them in

a car and took off. now we could to the right and me, we could see the sharpshooters on the, on the building behind from the gentleman behind me said the sharp to distract to the left. i heard from other people, there was a sharp. there's a suitor on the left in the right side. is that so you were there was more than one shooter. that's what i heard was to one on the left took out the speaker. it was a where the brain was check out the speaker. so then i just called my husband who's watching on tv, of course, cuz he's wondering if he knows i'm in the 1st row. he said before they put the tramp down, he saw the blood on his ear. so that almost indicates that he was nicked. so he was hurt before he went down. that's we all thought when he got up that he was hurt somehow from pushing him to the ground and didn't know what was underneath the teleprompter or whatever he was standing in front of. that's what i thought when i saw it. but he said no, they specifically, he showed before they got them down to look for the blood,

was there. so they must of nick the e. i would say they probably next the little bit of the year. but then maybe when trump thought up and are walking away, he did the 1st month on the stage all the way down. the steps did appear direct. now to the left, i knew a gentleman who was on the stage earlier. mister elmore from beaver county think it was, he ran for the state house. he had a white shirt on what i saw was sure it was blood all the way down like that. so he was definitely in that less stand where they say somebody was. so was he shot or was he helping some do you look to me like he was not shocked cuz he was walking out but neither he was standing next to somebody who or he was helping somebody and he got the lien. it didn't look like the fresh blood trumps. definitely look like fresh blood. if you could tell the difference of real red compared to like us to mir from was definitely had red blood here. wow. both. is there anything else that you saw or that you, that you know, was that happened after that?

i know i really, i can't say i'm trying to thinking today was, it happened also fast. you know how it just was terribly fast and this is the 6th really. i've been to him. nothing like this ever happened. this is a quiet, small town. so well, aaron, origin reeves thank you so much for talking to us. we really appreciate it. i think it gave you a little bit more info, maybe about what my husband saw. thank you so much. uh, so you heard it there directly. uh that is the 2nd report we have in addition to my seeing a picture, it showed a trump apparently had a bloody air. this woman said, you can see the blood before he went down. so if that's right, it didn't happen when he hit the ground and that raises the possibility that one of the gunmen, if there was more than one a, actually niche who's here. we don't know that for sure, but that was the observation of the woman. we just talked to john for now. thank you. but then the call is

a us national security and foreign policy as he joins us from boston by skype. thanks for being with us. so what's your initial reaction to what's happened the but of course everyone is shocked. i'm shocked. think of what else. but i'm not surprised the, the tensions are socially and politically united states have been worsening. rising, choose whichever term you wish for the many years. and in particular, in the last 9, but actually i would say over the past several decades, has xtreme factions is largely on the right have gone to the edge of the violence or sometimes perpetrated those then with the tensions and then the violent rhetoric, who during the this the presidential campaign,

it's not surprising that someone from any stripe, politically, would, would lash out with just as your former speaker of the house. and i suppose she's husband was assaulted. there are dozens of other instances, politically related violence that someone do this does not surprise me, but of course it's a terrible thing. presumably they would have been a lot of security at this events in any case, but cannot ever be 100 percent secure as well. know the famously the president kennedy said to an hour or 2 before he was the assassins. in 1963 that there was no perfect defense and that someone who is motivated would eventually succeed. and then famously also the say, representative of the irish republican army is decades ago said that the security.

so the officials protecting the prime minister of great britain had to be perfect 100 percent of the time. but that the irish only had to succeed once. and it didn't matter of the shield all those other times. and that is the, the fruits, the perfection is almost impossible. and so there is, there is a real risk, certainly that political figures can be you mentioned previous instance and what kinds of security do full my presence have around them in any case as well. i think there's some very ation, depending on what should be assessed, read it to a specific individual or from a pressure but, but for life, a former president has a, a secret service protective detail of a number of officers who will be with him and possibly the family members of for ever and they, you know,

i've worked with them some very very impressions that people and they have a rigorous series and protocols they follow to establish that wherever the president for a president goes before he or she gets there, the area is secure. and they check the backgrounds of personnel and then use a song. so it is, it is rigorous from one is presidents. the ex president or a member of the cabinet be redeemed by i guess, the department of justice if someone merits secret service protection because of a perceived try model. very impressive though. of course, you know, there is a history of, of higher profile shootings in the us. you mentioned is on this kennedy and as well . but kennedy in when ronald reagan was injured and nice to meet you want and how deeply is this, what does this affect the american psych of the american psyche?

well, that's a large question relating to the i would argue relating to the culture of guns in the united states. silence in general, violent crimes in general have been declining. it for capital, for decades in the united states. the violence, politically related files in the last decade has been increasing because of the tensions and me to before. but the, perhaps this will, it doesn't directly speak to the, the culture of others, but to the dilemma that's the secret service faces i was because we've never seen a service agents. and one of them said to me, that is a rule of thumb. this is not the rigorous, this is just the back of the envelope kind of reasoning, right? you can, let's assume that one they said, let's assume that one percent of the population of the united states has some sort

of mental illness, staggering clients, them to violence against the 30 sugars. this is, i don't know if this is the truth. i'm just just assume and if only one percent of that one percent, actually they react on something in a population of 300000000 people. that's 30000 people at any given. second simply for a, i'm not shocking combination and psychological factors, independent judge congress, motivation because of political issues or others that the secret service would have to try to be aware of it at all times. and that's, that's just back of the envelope and they're talking without considering the specific political concerns. i do also know that in the last several years, there have been, uh, something like 54 cases in the american tradition system. and another several dozen cases in which violence related against, or i think public figures or no,

that's not true. a violence that is because it comes with a level of court proceeding has been linked to rhetoric around the trumpet campaign that there be an act action against their trump is not surprising at all. so tensions are are increasingly false. politically united states. what might this mean? do you think for security in the run up to the election for all candidates who are, who are standing? is this a game changer? some kind of gosh, i don't know who well, a game changer with regard to security measures, game changer with regard to the political equation. but this is, i don't know the answer to either of course, but the security measures after i believe it was after the assassination attempt against president ford in 1976. i think it was or 5. i think

van, i'm, the president was only allowed to travel in a couple of them. it had to be able to grasp the glass essentially right around him or, or to be completely within a bowl for a vehicle, no more open vehicle travel. so one might anticipate some measures of fast shorts. so already it was a trump rallies, and certainly meetings for the president of the people are, has to go through the metal detectors and their security to, to try to keep any weapon from being the presence that it had a rally. so what one can do additional to that, i don't really know, but, but there will certainly be some sort of response by security people there. how this will affect matters politically. i think everyone will be discussing that and coming the evening and days and i don't know us then call thanks very much for

joining us here on out to 0. but once again, we're going to show you the moment shots swift fund that donald trump valley less than 30 minutes ago. he was seen ducking his that moment that she likes a couple of months old. and if you want to really see something this said, take a look at what happened the going to cost now to might honda, who joins us from washington, d. c. mike, what's the reaction been like cut from the white house right now? well, president biden is at his home in delaware, he was briefed on the situation when he left his church service. we're expecting to hear from him in the us also to come,

we understand from the white house that he will be phoning at full moment president donald trump to speak to him. we've also heard from other senior democratic party members as send a to chop shoot to the minority lead in the house talking jeffries at both express the concern about the shooting, saying that political violence has no place in political life as outside politics as well. there's been a reaction from the loan mask who has gone so far as to immediately endorse donald trump, saying that he prays for a quick recovery by the form the president must be using this occasion to expressive support for trump as well. so throughout the political spectrum that is being expressed himself concern extra, the hope is that the former president recover as well. and also the comment that political violence should not be part of the political discourse or might for now

thanks very much indeed. well, joining us a lot from pittsburgh, pennsylvania is according clock. he's director of a search at the sou fund group and associates telling about the international sense of account to terrorism. thank you for joining us. well, we just basically, what is your reaction so far to what's happened? complete shock. you know, this is something that occurred to me about 30 minutes from where i live. and i think it's just pretty mines is where the state of american democracy is, where it's such extremes. now that when people don't agree with a political candidate they're, they're reaching for these types of actions. and it's just, it's a dark day in american history, no matter what your political persuasion is. and i think we're in a very bad place and the lead up to the november election, given what you say thing that it is. of course, very early days. how much this change the political agenda getting for when you consider the election? that is so clear. you know, there's

a number of scenarios that anyone could envisage. uh, you know, the immediate reaction and one that many people have been texting me on my phone is that this pretty much seals the deal for trump. that the empathy that he will gain from being a victim of a shooting attack is gonna push him over the edge. it's still way too early. we don't know who's behind this is pure speculation at this point. but certainly the fact that a former president and a current candidate for the presidency was, had just experience and assassination attempt for what we can tell certainly is something that should bring the american people together. but i feel it's can actually be more divisive when and see that is going to ask and obviously the safety of the candidates is the most important thing. but does this galvanize donald trump's support base even more getting for a probably uh yeah, most likely. and if you were a trump support or before you're probably doubling down. and if you were somebody

that was potentially in the middle of maybe you're moving over toward trump. i mean, this is taking in the same breath is someone's president biden's really uh, you know, sub par uh, performances recently and debates and other appearances. and so just really completely a mess, i mean, total capacity and what's turning out to be a very contentious, very fraud, and now very dangerous political season. you mentioned how shocked to you and how shots the general public would be. i mean, how deeply is this kind of instant in, in grains, in the american psyche, in terms of how it affects everyone. look, it's no secret that we live in a country where there's mask on violence on a regular basis. but they have it directed toward a presidential candidate. it's still quite rare. we can go through the instances of president reagan and others, we can go through the litany of a history of assassinations and assassination attempts. but this is just beyond the

panel. i mean, we're in a climate of extremism of political violence and no matter what side you support or where you fall on this, this is just on a perfectly unacceptable in our democracy. and i fear that we're going to have, you know, a lot more contentious episodes and the lead up to november. you mentioned divided views that it does this again raise issues. so, but the, what have a gun control in america to it? should i, i hope it does, but i fear it actually makes certain people double down and say that guns the people say for a low. this is a kind of non sensical debate in united states. in my opinion. it's going to certainly be a lightning rod in the coming weeks and the coming months. and again, i'm worried about the future of both candidates, the safety of both candidates going forward. but again, there's so much that we don't know who the perpetrator is. perpetrators potentially,

was there one gunman, multiple gunman who was actually behind this what was the motives, were really just in the opening hour of what just happened. then we're going to learn a lot in, in the coming days. and hopefully that will continue to shed light on what's a really, just transportation situation all around. how much does this affect you personally thinking? nothing professional, but it's personally when you see something like this happening and, and it's hard i'm, i'm a father of 2 young kids and i know to go explain this to my kids. what happened and why? and then try to find out why a and we try to teach our kids about the importance of democracy. and no matter how much you might like one candidate and dislike another. uh, you know that there are certain norms and rules that we follow. and this is going to be incredibly difficult uh, you know, from

a human perspective to grapple with and to talk through with, with young children and explain, you know, search for the why, of how this could have gone down. so i'm calling cock, that's we appreciate your time. thank you for joining us here. and i'll just, if you want to really see, so thank you said take a look what happens was on the engine, joins us again now live from boston to in pennsylvania. john, what more can you send us of what we've talked to a number of people who were in the arena at the time of a parent shooting. we have heard from one of those people that she heard she was up in the front row and she said she thought they were 2 gunmen. there were 2 different volleys of shots. we don't know what that means and it's possible that one group of shots came from a gunman, and the rest were retaliatory from the secret service. we were hurt. we were told that a gunman or 2 gunman,

conflicting stories were taken out by the secret service. in the 8, in those moments after the initial shooting, we had reached out to a man named paul costco, who showed me a picture in which it appeared that donald trump's ear was bleeding. and then we talked to a woman who said she saw a tear drop of blood on his face and she said from what she could see upfront, it appeared that trump was injured before he was a, he went down behind the podium and that would suggest he might have actually been hit by a bullet. this is what paul costco, the photographer, that we spoke to had just say it was 8 rows back from the podium, slightly to the right. and i was using a nighttime v 72 with a 28 to 400 millimeter lance. i was shooting it all. the president i heard as

far as with the entire crowd, heard about 4 or 5 shots as far as was pop, pop, pop, pop. the top of the president went down my pictures that i have here when he were coming up after the secret service as far as with uh, retreating him and putting him into a secure vehicle and bring him off. the president is hit or nick right here, according to that of my photos. he was bleeding here and down in this area here as far as on the right side of his face. lots of secret service there. i've had photos as far as with him going into the into the secure vehicle buddy. he went on his own with the conglomerate of all the secret service up and, and what he got out of it. he's a true donald trump, but he will blog. he pull it up, his arm like this, so i don't, he's, he's not incapacitated from what i saw. and then we'll have more of these photos here when we download them later was on engine is still with us. of course, john,

what was the atmosphere like that directly off the incident as well, immediately afterwards, people started flooding out of the building. we heard some exclamations. people told us that there had been a shooting and then we interviewed a number of people. but one of the women that we spoke to said that it appeared that or at least 3 people around her had been shot. we cannot confirm that report. she said there was one man she spoke to who had blood on his shirts. and she asked him if he was already said no, but he believes the person that he helped probably wasn't going to survive. now we after to say, we don't have any direct information on that. a number of injuries, a, even whether they, the gunman were shot or the we have been told that at least a gunman was shot by the secret service. um, other than that, um, all we, we really know is that most people got out of there safely. there was

a rush stiffly out, but as you can see now, people don't apparently feel unsafe. they're buying merchandise here and they're talking to us. but i will say that the vast majority of people just fled. okay, financial and the engine. thank you for that. or us senate republican leader mitch mcconnell has been one of the 1st to comment on the incident with social media. he said tonight, all americans are grateful that president trump appears to be fine off to despicable attack on a peaceful valley. valance has no place in politics. we appreciate the swift work on the secret service and on the enforcement across life to milwaukee in wisconsin, practical pain joins us live there from the apache. what more can you tell us a well,

i want to give you some perspective for my time is my 10 years as a white house correspond, there's been a lot of time around secret service, a lot of presidential events and even candidate events. and one thing has been really striking to be since donald trump left offices just this year, size of his motorcade. i remember walking through the c one time and i saw brock obama come out from getting coffee and he was just had to suburban. and if you look at donald trump's, whenever we've seen his motorcade, it looks exactly like it does when, when he was president. so a couple of things, i think it's important for our viewers understand about secret service. if they, one of the big questions i'm going to be asking is, when did they know that this event was planned? because they need time secret service, some advanced teams, they scout out location, they make plan after plan of your plan. they've got back a plan. they've got a mentor technology, they have the ability to block all cellphones. that goes uh they have basically a giant gatling gun in the back of one of those suburbans that can top out. they

have a friendly advance snipers in every direction. and so the question is going to be, if this, in fact was a gun, then as it does sound like exactly how far away were they, because they do tend to set up a very large perimeter. and again, everybody has to go through metal detectors and even your bags are search. now we do know the donald trump has in the past, for example, in january 60, told the crowd he was annoyed. the secret service was shooting so many people out because they were told that they had weapons and he said, these are my people, they won't hurt them, let them in. don't, don't worry about the mac megs. i think it's exactly his comment. so we don't know if his team has been putting pressure, our secret service again, a lot is on know at this moment, but taking you back to why it here in milwaukee. why are we have so many teams here is because the republican national convention is starting on monday and thursday. donald trump is going to be nominate it is as the republican candidate for

a president. so i was here today working on a story for you on security, and as i mentioned, it's been to a convention before. and i don't remember ever seeing any sort of perimeter, this why it's absolutely huge. the 2 places were protesters are set, are told they can legally protest. you can't even see the marina or the, the orita, excuse me, and sit. and so the security miles and miles miles a barricade fences. today we saw a team put in a very strange looking box with a very strange looking car was a government license plates. we ask them what or use it was, what did you use? the thing for? they said, oh, this is a chemical sniffer. we're going to be searching the air for any sort of chemical weapons. and so they had those incredible, they do that also for radiation, they have all sorts of technology, excuse me. so in the police presence is going to be absolutely huge. we expect about 30000 people are going to be coming to this republican national convention. one thing that's going to be very interesting here is wisconsin has

a state law that localities could not found the use, the carry of weapons concealed weapons or carry outside weapons outside carry weapons. and so that's the case here in milwaukee and i spoke to the chief of police of milwaukee, and i said, that just doesn't seem to make sense to me. i mean, because if you've got protesters and they expect those are the thousands of them and you've got counter protesters nail, have guns, can just get bad really quickly and think about the weapons we have in the united states. you can shoot incredible amounts around in a minute of time depending on the whether you have. and he said, we're used to this, this is how we protest, we have guns or out of it all the protests. and he said, we're not necessarily looking at people for guns, we're looking at people for behavior. know again, how do you react quickly? someone could do possibly quite a bit of damage before the police can act because of automatic weapons. but he said, this is how it is wisconsin. we've done it before. they can't actually change it. now that's not to say is inside that permit,

or the perimeter. secret service is totally 16 agencies that work on this. a security for these conventions. but 2 months, secret service is in charge of the actual arena, where the president actually is. and again, you cannot get in there. there's a list on my badge of all the things you can't bring from maced denied to guns, and everybody goes through screen in your bags or checks to most people that you have to have credentials or you have to have tickets. so again, a much different situation within where the delegates are then what's outside. and this is going to be a convention where again, people is there protesting for or against donald trump. they can bring their weapons, just walk out on the street. i thought you mentioned that to incredible security thing, which really gives you an idea of how big it is. and yet somehow something still got through. we don't know the exact details of, of how this happened. of course. can this ever be a 100 percent secure despite for that security?

no, no, and the the security i was talking about was specifically here in milwaukee for the convention. these are specially designated events where you get all of these different agencies in the permian. all of this equipment, but when you're just talking about the presidential speech or of pre a campaign speech, they still have quite a bit of secret service. there's also they have uh, bullet proof. uh they can put bullet proof of uh, siding around the president at their despair, snipers really everywhere. if you just everywhere you look at a presidential event, you can see that snipers are watching from above and they also do the home. busy security perimeter, so the question is going to be, obviously we do have certain weapons that can fire very far and fairly accurately. so we don't know if that was the case there. and again, you know, say if they were given a enough advance time, the secret service because, you know, there's, there are a lot of secret service, but they also have to be pretty much everywhere they have to stay with the

president, the vice president, secretaries there's, there's a lot of people that they need to protect, but again, every time you see that on terms of. busy or kid, i was struck by just how it looks like it did when he was president. that is unusual. i don't know if that's because the secret service realize that he is such a controversial figure. but again, a secret service. there they, they can't be a 100 percent. uh, they obviously have a lot of teams there they, they try, they had all the equipment at all of this. all these resources, but no, you can never be 100 percent, especially if you think about it. this is a country that is literally a wash in guns. i believe we have more guns to this country than we have people possibly thank you. without an official joins us live enough and they walk in wisconsin and we understand you may have some detail.