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hello and welcome to the program. i'm more kyle. of the 20 is and pallet prime is a shake, casino has resigned on slides, bangladesh, i mean widespread protests. a government's bond is cracked. down on this defense killed several 100 people. and fueled public anger began a student demonstrations against job quite as quickly escalated, needed to a solution of parliament and release of opposition leaders. the military had steps in saying it will set up an interim. government bought protest as a warning. they don't want it to roll up on your dash and says on charles of territory, many are asking who will leave the nation now? and how can stupidity be restored without compromising demands for greater democracy? we'll discuss all of this without guess shortly. but 1st, this report from exxon's, i'm a bitch. at 2 weeks of protests and violence celebrations, induction. the head of the bug that she already confirmed, the prime minister she as seen as resignation. and the dissolution of parliament,

chicken number should we have decided to form an interim government, which will now run the country. and when we are now going to meet the honorable president and we'll discuss information student, my protests were for us through the july quarter system. your marketing sought after government jobs for specific groups, including the relatives of veterans of banquet. this is night, is 71 of war of independence from pakistan. hundreds of people were killed in a crack down in the following weeks. forced to flee a scene as the parcher ended, her 2nd stint in power lasting 15 years. although she over so a period of strong economic growth. it was marred by accusations of corruption and her being seen as an incredibly hard line leader. many people in bangladesh now want to nance to the violence and turmoil. the speak,

the new government will run the country with honesty, the for the paper and can live and sleep in case we need peace events. we are poor working class people with daily way to and as we just want to live in peace, take a long time. rival to shake has seen a former prime minister in opposition leader kelly does. the has been released after years under house arrest. and the leaders of the student protests are demanding bangladesh, she economist, and an open laureate to mohammed eunice. to be the chief advisor to any interim government with the army. now in power is promising the form of what it's called a caretaker government. and general of bucket was the mind has called for the unrest and something many find. but this one to see axels i move out to 0 inside story. well, that's bringing a guess. now and in the capital, duyka sharing hook is

a human rights activist and founding member of the women's rights organization. now we poco and london biased and that g brahman is a member of the islamic political policy. binded estimate as law me. that was banned by state casino, the deepest fall, the lead that policy was executed in 2016 off to being convicted in a will crimes trial. that was info actually criticized. also in dhaka, we have nadine sean, top. my should associate professor of social work at the university of buffalo in new york who focuses on find the best if i room. welcome to all of you. it has been an extremely few days that in bangladesh i'd like to start by getting some of your thoughts on these historic events sharing festival. you'll feelings on the exit of has seen a and the power of the protest of one would. i feel like study was long overdue, and my, i want to say bravo to the young people who step hospice was commitment and were

fitted occasion. but this was, i also want to take this opportunity to express my deep sense of loss at the loss of so many young lives, which was our mississippi and it shows ups, tennessee. i'm sure you can see that which led to the loss of his lives. nothing, he will the inductor at the moment. here you are a professor in new york, a lot of times will be back in bangladesh. this is something that you'll be talking about with your students for many years to come. isn't that? absolutely, absolutely. and my responses are similar, but you know, there's been so much destruction, there's so much violence on the streets, right. you know, and, and of course, in the last 2 weeks, you know, i, i've been totally friends. i am living about like 2 years in 2 weeks, you know, and so much has happened and it's not just of july massive car that we've been talking about. now here in august we had seen a different kind of mastercard in the past. and here we are, you know,

looking at something very different, but also still very difficult in terms of this uncertainty as we don't know what in coming. and so, you know, in terms of the pm and what i wish i was, she had not left the nation in this pile of destruction. i think the people needed to hear from her. they wanted an apology and an apology. that never came and perhaps a little bit, the apology isn't how you know, because i called at the just would suggest that, you know, it makes people more upset and we know that sometimes it does. but then it creates these for reconciliation. and so i'm imagining that that is something that the students said wanted. they wanted to find a way to reconcile their differences with the state, having been betrayed on, on multiple levels from being held back pharmacademic opportunity to being killed. and so i think the timing of the demand for an apology, a couple of weeks ago, was interesting to you know, when the pm had the former pm had involved to the roger cars less clear that the

students used liberation more true of their own, which is the apology, and you know, as you know, that the people still waiting for an apology from pakistan for atrocities and 9071 . okay. and the fact is reading because it's a very interesting point that you raised a perhaps one that not many people are expecting that you don't think have seen a should have left the country that she should have stayed and seen over seen reconciliation by giving an apology for the tales, for the deaths of hundreds of students sharing. do you agree with that? you know, i don't actually, i think the time for the game was over the time for an apology was at least 2 weeks ago or 2 weeks ago. it was too late, she had to go, but that does not mean she will not be brought to justice. the country demands the stevens to. 1 the people of the month and you know that the student protests

actually eventually done into a people's movement and political jimmy, up all the people joining in support of the students which brought about the final don phone. and they want justice that they want me and there are people that have been telling me they want justice. she has to be dr. we'll have dr. how does that happen to sharing given that she is now in india, potentially going to be a cabin. she's not going to be returning any time soon. for my people, how do you get as if use asylum? but i don't know the latest news, but if she was to me, so i'm going direct supervision process. otherwise, we have to go to the international juvenile court. okay, that, that's oversee down the line. that's a, that's bringing you, you know, because you'll see there in london, you're watching from exile from bangladesh. as you are a member of a band is not a political party. what are your feelings now that the political stage in buying

that has been pretty wide open? yeah, 1st of all, i use a band body. it's not a band party. it was banned by a legitimate government and that was the last 4 to divert the situation. but they didn't succeed. even off the i've seen us phone when parties were called to bundle one, the address of president, i'm our party to for i forward. so i don't agree with you that jermanti is actually banned. i'm 2nd of all, yes, uh the emotion is quite a mixed ad. on one hand, i'm part of a refund. because finally, if that's history with him, i've gone. on the other hand, we lost so many lives. i mean, in this a time in my calculation, more than 500 people died and most of them are young. and it 1215 years we

lost so many lives. so many people are still missing. have following up, it's my father's education, which was actually get decided by everybody. it was not just, it was not just this, it was introduce you to me. i had to leave the country and i am following the abduction. most of my colleagues, it was exactly 8 years ago in august 2016 9th of august besides me and my colleague me amendment across him was abducted. and i was jacked my by my brother to the airport and i left without editing. and today when i talked to a man, i'm and been cussing, who was just really uh, i believe you called me nice him. the last half of his wage is whole. competition was to, has been changed. he had 2 daughters, h a t o an 6. i believe now they are teenagers. i'm in the how

the days past in last few years it's you can imagine so and finally it's over, but not over yet. we need is to be the country we need law and order situation to back at and also it is duration of dental policy. so we have a long way to go. is that the main vent? what we have and nadine is the military in control, the army cheese thing is empowered, it will oversee the formation of an interim government is not acceptable to the student protests as to the people of bangladesh. well, our history with the military and bangladesh is violent and problematic, and mostly, and most important to be on democratic and students have rejected martial law. that's not something that they want. and so no, i don't see thinking of steps that we were headed that's going to work, but the interim government is perhaps where there is hope. and that's where we have to see that, you know,

we get representatives that are good for the nation. you know, i think if we reduce the problems you've seen in the past and put similar kinds of people in power, we're going to see the same kinds of problems. you know. so students have made clear that no or god's no own gatekeepers, no. all systems, right? so i'd like to see what that looks like. the this i have to create these new systems, especially when i've seen that has just been 15 years, dismantling civil society, dismantling independent judiciary, the free press well, it's all the time. it was a time, but i think the students have shown that there is a re in which this can happen to students. i've shown how to work together collectively. they've shown us what shared leadership might look like. they have 6 people on top and also that's not a democratic, democratically elected group. and so they perhaps also have to democratize themselves. but i think it starts with democracy from levine, uniform within parties from within systems and,

and go from there. this will be hard, but it will, but i think the students have shown that it can be done again said, you know, to view these, you know, so maybe more of that. okay, sharing, we've got the homicide unit, so he is name is being thrown around as a, as the students preferred option to hedge. the interim government has of course, move aloria to the pipeline. it might co finance, but in bangladesh. but just give us an idea of why he has been put forward as the pass and to lead by and with us through these couple of times. it's probably the most respected and most acceptable citizen senior citizen in the country right now . and that is probably why his name had been put forward and i'm glad to hear that he has it needs done to me. and he will move to this thing a government and then get in government. so maybe not tonight, probably tomorrow. i'm. i think be

a man of integrity. can you provide the nation, the kind of guide guidance, a bridge at this point? as my being, i've also mentioned we have disturbing news though often often a note, an adapt some people and especially on religious minorities, on den, goes on their business is on their houses. and so this is something that we don't really have expected. the army related service in and drugs to take care of the situation. and that in that that'd be, has been, it seems to me that i mention it just means that she'll be able to navigate then getting government the better. the more chances that the base and this may have install, who else may still be the interim government of showing me if i could just jump in because a lot of women, lot of goals, a female students were part of these protests. will they be wet, presented in positions of power as we move forward and buying a dash?

and i would hope that not only that goes, but also the young boys to participate in the struggle, that there will be a representation of the young people who actually let their children, who, who succeeded in getting the, the 3 that i mean by make space for that makes paid for the young people. that's my i be. i'm not sure what will happen. but let's, let's hope that you receive the presentation of young people. the of course to about to is allow me will be looking to be part of this process. looking to get back into some form of paula does the policy appreciate mohammed eunice as the mind to lead the nation at this time? us? yes. how far did use actually made a statement that we need some sort of a national unity. and i believe i'm mohammad. you know, he is in a right place to unite the country because he is accepted across the

board. but the goal is to restore the democracy and the process, so it will not be easy wherever it comes to the file. i don't support uh army at home and not my party. uh, as i understood. because as i mentioned at the history of army in bung with this, it's not that good on top of that, that there are a locations that, that it took part in after cities. it didn't do send up to not only recent after cities bought the members there where i bought off of that, but that'd be diction back to the and who it is in famous for that if, if the show killing. so they are in back for a do it again. they have confidence also they have to prove themselves before you

and because they're on integrations that you end vehicles where i used you and had a cup test where i used to kill innocent people. so um, yes, there should be some sort of entered involvement and there would be to restore democracy in the institutions that needs to be quoted constituted up election commission. judiciary, please. uh, those are the heavy party decides over the period a they're way effectively. they become big tripled, so of to adage or anyone election. those institutions i need it to be constituted with people who people will have trust on. okay, so it has 3. and if i could just make sure you're back in the light in from the, just as quickly as of how quickly elections can, could take place or need to take place in the constitution 3 months.

but i think what is the most important is not just the holding of this to the elections and making sure that she and jackie. but there has to be a process before we've started. 1 this is starting to introduce should be, as it was just starting the government as a drug, it's about default that the student has said all the law and the other people are standing as well. so either forms have to be in place in order for a good democratic outcome. otherwise we're going to have an elective government without democracy. nothing. what do you think about a free month timeline kinda lives reforms be in place as an awful lot to do in a short period of time? is it bass uh that the interim government has the breathing space has the time to get find the best back on the shore. a 1st thing before holding a general poll. i think they should be room for discussion about that and, and have everybody we in on progress and meet decisions as the,

as they come. because it is hard to know how things are going to go from from this moment on. right. it's right. but i think what's important is do is to democratize the political parties. yeah, i'm really going to be in b and a month and job to a party. and any other is maybe even as donated saki and he's gonna some of the, know, these are all the parties that need to regroup, find themselves. democrats, tie their own institution, and then be ready for electability. you know, i think i think that has to happen. we don't last the same system of having one person represented political party for the rest of the deadline. and it is only when the department that we can find a new leader and maybe not even then you guys are. so i think that's the system we need to get rid of this, this royal family system, if you will let you know that you have not looking at this timeline going forward in bangladesh. do you see a point when you can return to your country?

and i went to the ton type no, but uh the and yukon do that. uh because um, such as volumes you can here for me last 8 years. but i, i will return as soon as possible. uh, adding the to a michael, a cool participants point. so timeline, i think that is not a fact to go out at the moment. however, it says this can be uh, put in place to have a participation discussion engaging with. busy stakeholders, including all the different parties, simmons societies do have some sort of unity i level because it cannot function without dialogue. so we didn't have that in a lot a good couple of decades. so we need to start that and coming to an agreement, how democracy should function and how the other institutions like d shady as pointed out,

even army of the allegations of pointed to sizing army as well. so how those institutions it'd be make and they'd be made a function of ad and the ad for a democratic society is showing. if we move to look at the state of politics within bangladesh, obviously i think it was medium half of 15. he is, the old position has not been in pa, for quite a long time, has seen his nemesis kelly the via. she was released one of the political prisoners to be released today. but she is in very poor health and she heads up the b and p. that is the of the leading policy in bangladesh. what is the state of the b and p? is it in any state to leave the country? i seem to be in b last it's good. they believed the long ago. um this logan on the street today is that we did not get to the house the night in order to get the empty. we want to not done it. and i think that they've done it today,

if it's something that's been getting government has to somehow, if it's in a date and whether that would be a national government or what kind of government, i'm not sure yet. but something that has bought it for them to do a whole different stakeholders. nothing. i said one dimension, one thing i wanted to mention one more thing. that in fact today, one of the issues i was with i went along with the other activists who are working on enforce disappearances, deify office, which when a lot of people have been handled. and 3 people that found released early this morning. at the b one, we wanted to find out read that those are, but they've been doing that. they have no knowledge of, of went about having just to be a substitute people. and but the, the problem is to give us information tomorrow. so these are all the issues that are coming up as well. there's not just such as up into the last 4 months,

but what has happened over the last 15 years, and the number of info disadvantages been high. and so this is something that i just wanted to bring up as an example of all the other issues that are going to come up on the, on the day. and you said in the beginning that you wished how seemed to have remains in bangladesh to be held accountable for the test. so the protest of recently for the enforce disappearances for the state, but she's left the country it. how do you think back into this kind of reconcile with the past few couple of decades? how can they move forward and find justice for the crimes that have been committed? well, he's like i said, you know, my resources that should remain in the bush and then a trial. right. and that would have been the best case scenario in my opinion, because that would allow the people to face so and it would allow her to face the people and, and perhaps be in that reconsidered to repeat the space where you can have dialogue,

perhaps in a courtroom, but that's not going to happen. and so, you know, she's of us and before maybe you know, it'll have to happen to other matches. but i'm not sure how that's actually going to work, you know, and so i don't know if that won't happen. and i don't know how yeah, i, i don't know that's, that's a hard one. i think the, uh, once you leave, if things change, you know, and um, there are other laws that come into play. and there are some systems that are different, you know, and, and it depends on where she goes and how those systems work. so i think things get quickly out of our control as people leave the nation. and we know this from the killers of chick, would you be to do that? everybody else? right. well, perhaps the question would be better put to a james, who of course has 1st hand experience with the execution of his father in 2000. and 16 on the shake has seen is rule. you see can retribution for that.

and um, how we are agreeing. but as of our party to a doctor, sure. if you're on uh on that we are not sort of events. i'm personally i you, as you mentioned aggrieved format of many reasons. i lost my dad. i was kicked out from my homeland and i'm really excited for last 8 years. i lost my colleagues at so many people, but i looked for events. i don't believe the events will do any that sort of frequency. let's installation at just it needs to be done. box cannot prevent and not even fiduciary. so when we said justice, 1st of all the people at least to know what happened, what the pop projectors and then the after that there might be some sort of frequency relation between parties that happened in south africa. and so many places. i mean, i lost 15 years so many people lost a so many things to be

a beloved at one to start with. and not only that, i'm in not in the lives lost at that event for bodies or lost. i mean, so the way people get to prevent is and violence and interrupted icons to is that violence is lottery as soon as possible law and order citizens shouldn't be stored. and then, or the popular characters they should be brought to the justice. i'm talking about check us the not even if she fled outside the country in india or usa or you get wherever she goes. so serena, the, we have the, i just want to get a final thoughts from you because the events have instead of braces as buying possessions, 2nd independence. but is the country now and for a rocky ride? i think we are inputting located i. there's no doubt about that, but that is true of fun. that was to be from the 1st independence as when people

are saying on the streets. this is the 2nd independence that we have different to me as i've got 2 different died. so that was really bad. but that was definitely the updates good to be smooth and we are to be the bed divides, the divide by that 5 this process up to the children via okay, and we will be watching every step of the way, many things. indeed for a great discussion today, serene hook, and that'd be that j. romano and nadine shanta machine. and thank you to for what check you can see this program again, any time by visiting a website that's out there, a dot com, a valid option to go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash h a inside story. you can also turn the conversation on x on handle it as a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here is bye for now the

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