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to long lines of people waiting outside the sun. crazy panel century when a site is he's the patron saint of reading work in a country with poverty and unemployment around the rice. because the rush for san antonio says, she's concerned about the current situation in argentina. maybe a part of the advice that i came with, so i'm here so that we can improve so that our future, our children don't have to leave here for what they need goodness for all of them. so they don't go hungry or cold because argentina is such a rich country. so rich, and yet we have to endure such hardships that our children are leaving. that's why i come every year, thousands of people to attend the mass, but this time it was different. labor unions and left when groups decided to march from the parish towards the proceed until paris to protest against the government of have you had a really like this one are happening almost every week. and one shows
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a drop that we have not seen since the crisis of 2001. and that generated a recession. that obviously helps the country to reduce inflation. but it is a concern. it is started to recover but continues to be very slow. have you had any leg came to power with a promise to reform argentina's economy? but there are growing concerns about what will happen if he fails. that he said, we'll just see that when a site is okay, you're up to date, that's it for me, the bulk of them to get a website, i'll just do it. they'll come much more. all of our top stories, including the ongoing conflicting cause of the news, continues to announce a 0 up to the bottom line. thanks a lot for stay with us. the the latest news as it breaks is realistic, carrying out torture and enforce disappearance of thousands of palestinians and the
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occupied with funds and gusts with detailed coverage. people with disabilities are the most vulnerable and groove in israel, relentless war across the street from the hoss of the story, as well as a still own government with its escalation on the ground. so it gets in areas that supports to be human to terry and sides of the a. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question after israel's latest escalations is the middle east running the risk of a wider open ended war. let's get to the bottom line. the 12 hours a part is real, killed a top commander in has the law in lebanon, and inner, ron allegedly killed each mile honey. the former elected palestinian prime minister and head of from us. now the entire region is in suspended animation. willie ron feel forced to respond if not to establish deterrence,
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at least to say face and by killing the chief negotiator of home us. has israel buried any chances for success in the cease fire talks and return of hostages that was supposed to end the war and gaza now, and it's 10 per month? plus what role is the political situation in the us playing with a lean duck president and a roller coaster election rates in full swing? today we're talking with jeremy scale, co founder of a new investigative journalism website, drop site news, an author of several books, including the assassination complex inside the government, secret drone warfare program. jeremy, thank you so much for joining us today. i'm just interested in your take right now on the temperature of things. are we tilting towards something that could dramatically escalate? absolutely, we are. you know, benjamin netanyahu has been a supremely belligerent leader of israel in the various times that he's health power. but what we're seeing right now is he's the chief arsonist in the middle east and he is on the loose. and i think what we're seeing is that uh,
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israel generally operates within a sandbox the parameters of which are defined largely by the united states. whether a democrat is in power or republican. i think that in yahoo smells blonde right now because joe biden is a lame duck president. netanyahu definitely is closer to donald trump, but i think that he feels that he is in the perfect position with biden is friend to for decades and a committed, a zionist. to run the game that he has wanted to run his entire career. he wants to draw the united states into war with iran. he wants to continue a war of annihilation against not just the palestinians of guys, but also the west bank and his supreme prizes. can he drop the united states into a full, overt conflict with both have blah and iran? i guess in the case of a smile, honey, a. and i want to remind people he was the former prime minister of palestine. clearly had of the political wing of some us, but his assassination inside iran. very dramatic. and i'm just interested in what
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you think it. ron's reactions to this will be, i mean this is, this is an incredible upfront to around sovereignty. that's how it's being perceived in tap, ron, you know, and immediately you had the supreme leader of iran. he was walking up in the middle of the night and informed that there had been some form of an explosion that had taken place in the housing complex. where is miles india and the head of palestinian islamic jihad, the knox, lot of both of them were, were saying and this complex steve, this was a housing development that is controlled by the, the, the top military unit, the i r g c, all the iran. so this was striking right at the heart, not just of iran, but all of it's a supreme security for us. now i think a lot of times when we talked about this, the equation is sort of upside down. how is your ron going to respond?
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yes, that's a legitimate question and certainly iran is going to respond. but how should the world be responding to what is real and that yahoo have done right now? the key question is, is iran going to begin with some form of a heavily telegraphed response? that's what happened some months ago as a, the is rarely struck. the iranian consulate in damascus, killed more than a dozen people, including 8 members of, of the elite, the revolutionary guard unit of iran. and, but the iranians, although they showered missiles and droned, strikes down on israel. they did so in a calculated manner, there was one death in, in that straight. so the question here is, does iran escalate in response to this assassination on their soil and other attacks against it in line with what they've done in the past? who are we going to witness a precipice being cross? we're now iran actually takes the bait and said we're in all our military conflict with israel. i think there's another dimension here,
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which is remarkable that israel just killed the person they were negotiating with. who, despite no matter what you think about him off honey, a was considered to be one of the most balanced and moderate deal makers of that organization. am i wrong? i know you're not wrong. and in fact, let's remember that despite how the western media talks about from us, a mazda is much more than the o cosign brigades, the military unit of from us that launch the october 7th attacks against israel is not here, is not in a member of an armed force, he is the head of a political movement. he is the chief of promises political bureau. he is the former prime minister of palestine democratically elected by the palestinians of the occupied territory. so what israel is doing here, palms as we pass for 300 the day of its genocidal war in gaza. it comes as biden and anthony blinking, and jake solomon and gold burns. are all saying, oh,
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you know, i don't believe you're lying years when that yahoo says he's going to total victory, which means total destruction of gaza. we'd feel that a ceasefire has insight now who comes back from his victory to or in the united states where he met not only the sitting president, but the democratic, i presume, democratic nominee for president campbell harris, and he goes tomorrow lago and pays as respects donald trump, he goes back to israel, the green lights and assassination in the southern district of bay route, not just of a senior house block commander, but we understand that in iranian military advisor was also killed in that strike for other civilians and dozens of people of it for the civilians were killed, dozens of people wounded. so nothing yahoo, his response to bite and saying we think a ceasefire is inside, is to literally assassinate the chief negotiator and then vall that he is not going to stop until when he defines this total victory. which is the other destruction of guys up and the lighting on fire of the entire region. yes. raises the question. it
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is real, has killed from us leaders in the past. it killed the, the leader of hamas, the founder shake off mad. yeah, i've seen and others in the past, but that never killed and knocked off a moss as an organization is a movement, as you've said it's, and i think it's one of the most interesting elements here because of the way that that netanyahu frames basically trying to obliterate hamas and others. i've talked to generals, you've talked to general david, betray us, and that is it from us as a move. and even people who might want to be supportive of netanyahu disagree with the promise that you can basically wipe out a political movement. i love your thoughts and i know you've been talking to leaders in the region both. how moss is as long as you, hot and others, and would love to get your sense of the temperature there. how are they feeling and seeing this moment? but let's just look at the, the ground reality. steven gaza. we've had 10 months of a scorched earth campaign from the air at times from the sea. a ground occupation
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in various parts of the gaza strip and palestinian islamic jihad and from us have waged a gorilla insurgency war where they've inflicted great damage on the israeli military, despite the fact that they're operating with weapons. that overwhelmingly they have manufactured beneath godsa, in tunnels they're holding off a nuclear power backed by the united states in a war of attrition on the ground and gaza, the killing of his mouth, m e a and home us. and just allow me to you how the officials have been very clear in my discussions with them is not going to kill the armed resistance. and you know, the fact of the matter is, if you look at independent polling, that has been done consistently over the past 10 months. the status of the leaders of tomas and pal sending his stomach jihad have risen dramatically as the standing of mach motive boss. and the palestinian authorities have plummeted into almost non existent support in part for their corruption. and the view that the p a is, is essentially an agent of the as rarely occupation. but the fact is that the, the,
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the wind has shifted so dramatically that many palestinians in the occupied territories believe that the men who are taking up arms against israel are their only option right now. this is the result of decades of american policy. and reading is really leaders, it's not just net and yahoo do what they please with palestinians killed them in large numbers. it's very clear that while you can assassinate leaders, you cannot kill a movement that exists because of 75 years a war of. and i elation that israel has waged against the palestinians with american backing under democrats and republicans. you just mentioned the victory tour. the victory laughed that that prime minister is real fine. mister netanyahu took in the us scene. tom le harrassing joe biden, seeing donald trump, i'm interested in how you think he's reading this moment about the political future of america, and whether there are substantial differences or not. between now who's the
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presumptive nominee carmella harris of the democratic party. and donald trump, and how you see that moment loved to know whether you see differences between tomlin harris and joe biden. there are differences. they're largely cosmetic, and i would say superficial. pamela harris and her top advisors had made clear that she has been a full participant in american policy uh over the past 10 months. harris herself is said that she shares, joe biden stated, iron clad commitment to what they call is real security. she herself has paid homage and pilgrimage to a pack the. the major is real lobby group. it's trying to defeat candidates that criticize israel. they're going after corey bush, they're going after l on omar. they're going, they go after anyone that even registers a pretty moderate dissent against us support
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a policy of israel. but what i think is interesting in the details here, clearly not in yahoo is much more politically aligned with donald trump. and donald trump has made all sorts of audacious statements about how you know he would authorize b. b to finish the job. biden is a, is a predictable character. netanyahu has known him for 40 years. i think that yahoo was very happy to have way a lame duck president and joe biden right now, because he can really push the envelope on biden's public protestations, and he's doing that he's daring by and actually cut them off, which i don't think by them is going to do, but what i think is most interesting is carmella harris, starting in november of last year, comma la harris was a figure that the administration started to put forward to register empathy for the suffering of the palestinians in a much more pronounced way than other administration officials and when you guys started says i'm there for a minute, jeremy, i want to, i want to play a sound bike and i think what you said is very, very important. and it's very different. it's something you know, when you're kind of like watching for these kind of, you know,
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distinct nuances between them. but it's quite a sound, but i want to get your reaction to come on here and speaking as it is time for this war to end. and the end in a way where israel is secure, all the hostages are released, the suffering of palestinians and gaza ends. and the palestinian people can exercise their right to freedom, dignity, and self determination. so that last segment i'd love to get your thoughts and reaction because it's something i haven't heard many officials from the white house so overly connect those 2 elements. yeah, i think man, yeah. who clearly views commer harris as the worst possible outcome of this election in terms of viable candidates back. but actually when i'm but i would compare it a bit to netanyahu's view and brock obama. he knew that when it actually mattered on a military level, and even to a degree on a political level that brock obama was going to be supportive of israel in line
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with bi partisan us. iron clad support for the israeli government regardless of who's in power. but, but then on issues such as legal settlements and perhaps on questions of palestinian statehood. that's where i think you start to see some difference with a political figure like commer harris. i want to be very clear though steve. pamela harris, his record indicates that she is a firm supporter of an aggressive, militaristic israel. but her rhetoric is the kind of sentiment that, uh, the israeli government typically does not like and nothing yahoo specifically had major problems with obama, largely because of his rhetoric on his stance on settlements window. obama took a very mild move key, abstained. he ordered his un investor to abstain on a boat condemning illegal annexation and settlements, and that was like, you know, the greatest of sins in the eyes of netanyahu. so let's, let's keep it all within perspective. carmella harris will be
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a firmly pro is real president who will support aggressive action that kills large numbers of palestinians. but she is going to put on a slightly different spin on it. and i don't think these railways are gonna like that. what do you think trump would do? i know i, i contemplated this a lot. i mean, you and i, you know, even talked about this last time. you know, we had a discussion. i think, you know, trump would have been a garish in his celebration of the mass slaughter of palestinians. i think it's possible we would have seen some form of overt us military support, perhaps drawn strikes against leaders of the cosign brigades or from us because of the fact that there are some americans being held captive by whom us. i think you could have seen truck crossing over some lines that that binding was unwilling to, but i think it's important to remember that it would be pretty hard to top the level of support the joe biden has given for this scorched earth will have an i elation and gaza. i mean these rallies have gotten every thing they want. there was
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one moment when biting symbolically pause the transfer of some 2000 pound bombs. and they made a big rock as a publicly about raphael. but now who's gotten everything he wanted, i largely seen the abraham accords effort and then the ongoing efforts to bring more into it, particularly to even to normalize relations between the saudis and israel, as part of a way to build the military alliance or military association. if you will, in the region to deal with iran and, and to kind of take on if you will, iran and it and, and it's interest in the region. and i'm interested in, in whether that conflict between essentially the sunni shia divide is exploding more quickly. now whether that, that's really what's at stake and that to some degree, those steps, these assassinations inside iran, are going to take us into a conflict that throw essentially the sunni side of the air. a middle east into
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a bed with israel taking on iran by the i think there's, there's 2 things here. you know, when i spoke to a senior officials within hamas and palestinian islamic jihad, they emphasized that one of the motivations this, this was not the dominant motivation. but one of the motivations behind the october 7th attacks was in fact the abraham accords. as they saw it, the abraham accords which are directed by lateral normalization agreements between israel and era countries. um that it erased longstanding positions in the era of world that any deals with is real must come with a robust path to palestinian statehood. and these circumvented that so that that's one part of this. the 2nd is that yes, netanyahu has tried to convince error of the countries in the region that iran is their real enemy. and is even spoken of a kind of middle east nato to confront iran. but remember that as netanyahu is engaged in that rhetoric, what we have on the ground is the emergence of the access of resistance,
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which is iran, onstar ally, the who these in yemen. the islamic resistance in iraq has blah from us palestinian islamic jihad, they have a coordinated operation center. they are essentially the answer to the kind of alliance that 1st trump now biden have tried to push through with netanyahu. and i think it's a recipe for it for extraordinary escalation and violence, and we're in the region. nothing. yeah. just a month before the october 7th, the tax. in fact that it was just 2 weeks before it was speaking of the un and he held up a map of the middle east and palestine didn't exist on it. and he, so it said, oh, this is the great, he sort of compared it to, you know, this great thruway that was going to connect the asia in the middle east with europe. and that israel is the key player. and that at the center of it is an alliance against iran. the us is playing with fire right now, long ago they could have cut this off and guides us by say no more weapons for you
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. that's something no american president is that we could imagine winning right now is going to do, but we're watching a genocide on folding. and finally, i just want to say this, steve, i'm on al jazeera, the assassination of it's male l goal is, is one of the most horrific crimes against journalism that i've seen. l g 0 arabic score expanded was decapitated while he was doing his job. a $160.00 plus of our colleagues have been killed. several of them from al jazeera. i'm so glad that evan goose could, which was freed from a russian prison. i've advocated for his release, i think it's shameful that so many of our american and british and western journalist the colleagues have been silent in the face of a mass murder campaign against our fellow journalists in gaza. and alta 0 has paid an enormous price and i want to stand in solidarity with the journalists of elders 0 who are the eyes and ears of the world and have been murdered for doing their jobs. well, obviously this the news room appreciate your words and things. i think every time,
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not only and alex's or a journalist has been killed, but many other journals have been killed covering this war and conflict and gaza. it is shaking the ground. i sit in washington dc, but you can feel feel that there. and i think it's extremely important and very much appreciated. let me ask you, jeremy, have you been in discussions? i know if you've talked to various leaders in the region, but i am interested in other elements here that we often know talk where you just mentioned has blah and, and house on us for all. or they had a, as blog, has basically said that the nature of their conflict with israel is now. but the change that the killing of flagship, who are a military commander, is now meant they are going to go into a different phase moving from sort of small time here in their attacks to something much more significant. so it's another indication you sort of talked about it wrong, you know, a highly telegraphed approach. at one point i beginning to see a lot of telegraphing from leaders that this is about to get much, much worse. yeah, i mean, part of, of the untold story here is that both iran and has the last have shown
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a tremendous amount of restraint in the face of a disproportionate is really a tax against their assets, their people, their territory. you know, that's one part of this that nobody ever everyone's talking about because it's politically incorrect. i mentioned that fact, but the reality is, as the law is not from us, has the law has a bi, most estimates at least a 100000 fighters. well trained. uh, over the past decade has moved toward a more conventional armed force. they have uh well over a 150000 missiles and rockets. um, uh, pretty much every weapon system that the iranians have hezbollah has, as well as manufacturing its own drones. in fact, uh, just 2 weeks ago, hezbollah started to a publishing drone footage that they had taken of targets both military and civilian objects in israel as a warning to the is really redeem that if you come at us and you start going
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outside of be in formally agreed to area of conflict, we're going to hit you back hard in a place that you're not expecting. i think everything is on the table right now from has the last mr. roll up is, is a very, very sophisticated thinker. he's a powerful orator and he understands the as really a government very, very well the, the, the, the ball is in their court right now, and i think that's rela, is weighing not just the short term consequences. but is this going to lead to what many in the region have talked about as the great war that they believe could unravel the state of israel? what, what do you think happens in terms of us equities? if the nightmare that you've been worried about actually comes to, to be i, you know, i would answer that by saying the following. um, you know, i think that if you look at people like see, i director william burns, who knows the region very, very well. and you look at a career military officer like the defense secretary, lar,
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lloyd austin. if you read between the lines of, of what they've been saying over these past 10 months, they are deeply concerned about what is real is doing. the fact is that the united states wants to maintain a robust military presence in the region. it also wants to pivot away from having to deal with wars throughout the middle east because it, it's prioritizing potential conflict with china. it's dealing with the russian war and ukraine right now, which is also to a degree of proxy war that the us is involved with. and so i think there are vulnerable us military and economic assets in the region that motivate the concerns from people like burns and in austin. but they, they, they also feel like this is ruining their major pivots toward china. and that if they get embroiled in and is really lead war that sets the middle east further on fire, that this is going to be bad for the business of the american empire. i don't think
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there's anything about a terry and motivation here. i think these are our people that are looking at american power in the world and how this could affect it. well, this will have to end up there. i'm going to congratulate you on your new site, drop site news, co founder jeremy scale, hope. thank you so much for joining us today. thanks, steven. thank you everyone, and i'll do 0. so what's the bottom line? human life is the bottom line. last week is really forces killed. 2 more journalist from al jazeera is smile. i'll go and his camera man rami, i'll repeat, were both fearless journalist who literally gave their lives so that the world can see what's going on and gaza, just like everyone else there. they had lost their homes and their family members and had been constantly moving around, hoping for a safer place all while dealing with a hunger and deprivation that has been imposed by israel. both each mile and rami were 27 years old. they joined the ranks of so many other palestinian journalists who have lost their lives, trying to tell this story, including 2 others from al jazeera summer abo dock. uh last year and sure when i
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walk with the year before that. so the question is, why, what is it about telling the story the earth is real to know and, and if governments like is real, are allowed to continue on this path on punished. what happens when no one is around to shed light on the dark violin corners of the world? i think we all know the answer to that question. the world is becoming mean or more vicious, more selfish and less human. and that's the bottom line, the a sense of belonging. we always look for ways to be together. and the everyday heroes keeping communities together is tough. the laptop is transforming every day in the 1st part of the series of just 0 visits is a lot. but in mexico city, where locals are turning on
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