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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on in front of mr. benjamin netanyahu has described as well as one, gaza, as an existential one for his country. since october is where the forces have code, at least 40000 people, most of them civilians, hospitals, schools, and shelters have been bombed repeatedly with a huge loss of life. once a being for the international criminal court, for the rest of nothing, you know, who has defense minister on challenges of crimes against humanity and will crimes and gaza. critics of the wall such as un special revel to francesca albanese and the international court of justice itself have been accused by israel of anti semitic bias throughout the war. as in the pos, as well, steadfast, west, and allies know, shall be the us, say, the support for manes. i'm clad and continue to supply of money and intelligence to balance as well as a narrative of self defense helped to sustain a cycle of violence seemingly without end. and while incidents of anti semitism in

the west are indeed reported to be on the rise, just the frequent labeling of as well as political opponents as anti semitic play a role and how as well justifies it's military action. we'll be discussing these issues with, i guess shortly, but 1st this report from the image and come back to one goal is a skilled nearly 40000 civilians in 10 months and flattened large areas of the strip. israel's government says its self defense. israel's commitment to international law is unwavering. equally unwavering is our sacred commitment to continue to defend our country and defend our people. a like every country. israel has an inherent right to defend itself and to split and us and you know, he's government being accused of war crimes and collective punishment. it's possible allies agree our commitment to his real security is ironclad. we will continue to defend his real against attacks from terrace groups with his sponsors

would be a problem one on file. we have made this clear from the outset that we are bound by international law. this implies the right of every state for self defense. this means that israel has the right to defend itself against such terrorist attacks. you just like any other country in the world. yet these countries also say on the international, israel should ensure the safety of civilians. is ro, consistently describes those who would talk the country and those who criticize it's minute to reactions as being anti semitic. well, forty's and civil groups around the world say that has been a rise in anti semitic attacks during the war on cause a. we have seen a st. joseph type a 7 last year. i see maybe a rise in anti semitism in australia and that is why the government has made the decision to appoint a special envoy on anti semitism. in europe, accusations of anti semitism have a powerful impact because of some states long history of anti semitism,

including the holy ghost. but some say allegations are being used as a political weapon. we have to respect the work to measure know, came in the decor has been strongly intimidated. send a fuse and the submit these and as always, that the, the, everyone does some of the same doesn't anything. yeah. hold on. doesn't like the international criminal court has applied for a rest. florence is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu and defense minister you will have gone for legit real crimes and goals that include the bombing of civilians and collective punishment, creating deliberate starvation. and in the end, the national cool justice, israel has been accused of genocide and is widely acknowledged to been breaking international law for decades during it. so the patient postilion critics say is what justifies that, submit it to reactions self defense with the support. if it's less than otherwise, as part of a cycle, this continued for decades as the suffering,

the people that attacks imaging came out to 0, the inside story that spring. and i guess the new york is right by useful drive. it was an activist and spokesman of metro, and i casa, that's a religious sect of have 80 jews. and most of them the u. k. david miller, a former professor of political. so she all the g at are still university who's dismissal after unfounded, and the symmetric allegations was rude and full. and in toronto, mohammed i ya, she's a professor at mount royal university and a policy analyst for the palestinian policy network. very well and welcome to all of you. well, how did, i'll stop with you in toronto? how has as well so successfully the story of the meaning, the idea of anti semitism and use that distortion to further its policies? yeah, absolutely. yeah. you know, israel is that more with reality,

the reality of what these really speeds it. the project is doing to the palestinian people is a brutal reality. one of genocide, expulsion displacement and and we override denial of the palestinian people to their right to live on their lands as, as a free and sovereign people uh and to conceal that reality. these really state has used a couple of tropes. one of them is this notion of the quote unquote new anti semitism. the more or less it waits, all serious critiques of israel inside a zone with the anti semitism must be very clear. anti semitism is a serious problem. it's really european anti semitism is foundational to the rise of the european state. but, but this weaponized station of anti semitism has been done strategically to conceal the crimes of these really spade and allow it to continue with genocide of the

palestinian people. this is why it is critical to maine, the what the nice ation of anti semitism by that, by that labeled to call it a weaponized nation to oppose it. because the power senior people are the 1st people to pay the price for this weaponized ation. a bank that some of them, but it will also hurt jewish communities in the u. k. in canada, in the us in france, in the long run already is doing it right now. yeah, i'm on the webinar. yeah, i'm a honda, i know you've spoken a lot to you. i know you've spoken to a doctor about how it hurts. not just about how throwing the 10 anti semitism around her. it's not just the palestinian people, but also jewish people in the long run. i want to bring in rabbi weiss in new york rep, i see that you're wearing a batch that says and you know, zion is for people who might not know. can you explain to us the very real difference between zionism and the religion days of yeah, so with the mighty, i agree that it should be stopped by me. his tooth is wisdom,

that i may be worthy of conveying his messages. so psyched to buy his name and bring peace to the world of mine in judaism. it is a religion of the 1000 years that the children of abraham isaac and jacob, we made a complement with thought on non finite boats. who brought us to tower. we ought to be subservient to bottom, uphold the laws of the toner. uh that is exactly what judy is in, is uh, the uh, now up the street, 1000 years later, a moment's thought of ramiro, hundreds of years, a go of the design isn't. that is a purely nationalist, political movement that is simply master a thing in the religion they want to have a bland grab. they want to have their sovereignty as the ignore totally what the essence, what judaism is. first of all, that is to be serving dog and. busy and,

and that's the maximum is the other. and the 2nd we there in the ignore. and hopefully that will some of the x out 2000 years ago. because when we would take it into the holy land, when most of the toner we were required to go in, it was under stipulation by the money that we have to be on a very high level of spirituality of matter. we will be expelled from the land as a nation, as individuals who lived there under the awful seas, under the rule of the different means, like out of an empire solvable. but as a nation, we are to cease to exist as a nationalism, as a country, as a sovereignty of the people, as this will go back 2000 years ago to spread out amongst the nations of the world . as we are of the old by god, that we should not re establish any jewish side where to begin at any part of the world, even in the habit of the land. and certainly that's what killing us daily. and there's a special but we're not a mist submitted to return and mass a, this is a large number to the holy land. so design is

a when these people will not be who just basically they was so many of them were reviewed a god and many of them uh, just of the one that would just be the work. so by weitzman of the been during the picture when they made their. busy the best selection of independence and who were really good independent. and so i think what do i like most of them see are basically all, i'm sure we got our covering the heads up. could you show the corner to choose the wall? and so basically they making the stay that is supposed to be a jewish, that god gives a school there. i'm too old, a rabbi said what you're doing, you're not about to kill him out about the steel and certainly not to people that was still kind close by them. bracelets. what we suffered so much that by 7th ism throughout the hundreds of years in europe, how do you live these people at the clear that they are there against your occupation? because they're out by submitting. so in every facet the, the court,

i do believe that, that judaism is that a citizen to pick a piece of land is, is in the end of the bill. okay. so you're actually saying that what the days of is yeah. what, what you're saying is that what the states have as well what the government of as well is doing right now is actually the antithesis to today is. and mr. miller, let me bring you when you were sacked from your job at the university of bristol. falsely accused of being anti symmetric because you spoke against design as i'm the postal employment tribunal rule that that was completely on, on law full. and that there was a place to criticize zion isn't in the united kingdom as well, would not be able to carry out these policies and promote sinus without support has well being tool king. as we mention from the u. k. the us and other western allies, can you tell us about how it has been so successful? how western allies have promoted design isn't so successfully

so in my case, what happened was the court decided that i had not been sacked for raising the criticisms of, of the attorney called me by certain design the states. but i had the site can fit fact because i had on designs views and the on design issues should be protected under the law as worthy of respect the democratic society. they were not resist funds that protected under the quality act of 2010. but of course, is entirely different to the view which is given by these really government desires movement, which is that there is no difference between semitism, designers, and they have been trying to foster this idea for more than 50 years. in particular, where we weren't able to get to, it's called a fight into the international holocaust. remembers the lines working definition in 2016 and last mean the weapon they have used ever since against all of the

movements for a free power. same the problem of course is that since the. busy show the genocide in october last year. everybody can see that was happening as a genocide. everyone who has any access to media information or alternative information knows the genocide and it means that whatever the is really trying to say full but you're just being honest. it may take the charge has less force and more more before nursing. no, this is not potty semitism, this is a good says criticism of the racism. a genocidal nature. oh sorry. there's somebody who i deal with the not just of the. yeah, took you is really on the can do state in been itself. mohammed david says that that charge of anti says an anti semitism has let's for less falls. but at the same time, you know, he mentioned the international holocaust remembrance alliances definition of anti semitism which has been adopted by not just the u. k. in 2016 of the u. k.

government. but we have seen the us house of representatives tried to close, defy that definition. so does the charge of anti semitism have less force when governments in the west co defying that definition, which very much equates being critical of as well as being anti symmetric? absolutely. so, so this is part of these really space a strategy. this is not just um, you know, a grass roots effort of scholars in activism. community members coming together and coming up with this definition that focuses almost exclusively on criticism of is realizing the definition of anti semitism. this is driven by these really state funded by these various states supported by the history of the state, which has thought since at least the 1970 to spread this idea of the quote unquote . like i said, new n price of the western countries like, sorry to interrupt, right? but we just want to know why west and countries, you know, like the us like the u. k. like germany. why this so quick to go with that on it.

and for that answer, you have to go back a little bit in history and i'll be as brief as possible zionism is an, is a political ideology. and what does that does not actually oppose european colonialism in racism, or even european anti semitism because it says the solution to the jewish question in europe is to leave europe and build the european like state in the land of the backward orient. you know, the error of the palestinians and of course for that to work, they have to expel the palestinians from the land. the land was already inhabited. the following is, it lived on it for thousands of years. so they have to expel the palestinians from their land. now the european empires saw this is an opportunity, especially the british empire, earth and now the american empire, they saw this is an opportunity to deal with 2 problems the because of their anti semitism. they didn't want eastern and central european jews, leading programs of violence and eastern and central europe coming in to us or in your and they wanted imperial interest

a to be addressed in the region. so they thought actually moving european jews to build the european style space a they will be dependent on their existence on us, which means that they'll be loyal to us in our interest. so when, when israel uses this weaponized ation of anti semitism, it still plays those 2 rules for the european states and the united states. it helps them at home and make the quote unquote for their guilt of the holocaust and, and european anti semitism. and it secures is rarely subtler colonialism and therefore the secure is the 2 periods of interest in the region. now, i just want to emphasize, yes. yeah, yeah, yeah, i want to bring a rabbi. why some the on, on the points that you're making because you're saying that, you know, it's a tool is there, this, this settlement project is one of the things that it does. but by wise doesn't secure the jews all over the world. you know, jewish voice for peas was very critical of the us house of representatives adopt. and these resolutions,

they said that falsely spacing and designed as i'm as anti semitism can slates old jews with the as rarely state and and dangers. our communities does jewish voice for peace have a point to, to do the efforts to tie jewish people to the states have as well, so intrinsically actually make them a target because of the crimes that the state is committing. yes, uh so what else of the mileage is this the so much is the toughest. uh, 1st of all um i would like to mentioned that my grandparents were killed in all shapes. my father, the states and the mattress and the little sharpie and had family. both my father and both decided left members were killed by the nazis in poland and hungary. and um and, and so you know the stuff 3 of the whole cost. but, but this 2 issues, the charges i send it to them when you use it falsely is, is um you taking uh a chart of people blatantly committing a check to slide

a cardboard or in the portrait and then its free modified summit. this is what you just thought of, not only my river to the absence of my grandparents and you're going to burn them again. you're taking the charge of that, but still it is when you make it work because because using the people say, oh, that's what i said, that there's a meet with somebody about the crime and they get so it makes it and secondly, it exacerbates outlets. the 1000 people don't feel people, many people, most of the people amongst the certainly we have, we know our history. we were raised to the mobile cartridge one was suffering at the sound of the be the at the end of your many people, the suffering of jews, they sent the bar say what the jews and all of a sudden they start question because they don't the span to differentiate between the jews who are support the of the state of israel. and so why it isn't and the was, was to do the religion. we owe him in total, a position of the cry. you feel the suffering,

the people. that's what we demonstrate with the state of the streets of jerusalem. you don't want uh, we don't have much to do that ever. 76, you think it's. ready the b 5 is really police, they get arrested. they get the get assassinated out around like children. oh yeah, the boy and the things that you can see. so let me just explain that the base so they use, as it was mentioned, they use the whole cost deal, the world. and they, they, you have one that they use metal around memory is that you have the shame all these things of the whole cost in order as a gone, as a tool has a more weapon to, to, to have people side of the silence. the people who want to speak up what they look as criminal, but ironically there's very jewish people around the world very, the more the religious they are that and we'll see, invariably whether it is in new york, we have a 2nd largest jewish community, a right across from and where's the spring with with stanford mills in london in

jerusalem and may a shower where we have hundreds of thousands of jews. they are true to the door and they refuse to to accept this false judy of the poor base. so slow at last me just let me mention here, the name of the chief rambler, pelp and, and by the 47, what was the head of the 2 instruments that was living prior to bizarre, in his, uh, coming from europe. and he said he pleaded with united nations, you said before the wish to express, oh, that's the position to a jewish state in any part of california by somebody you will the head of this lot of jewish community that's living. yeah, i get this my that vibe i was there was so many people in the jewish community who are right now being accused of being anti semitic because the and design is the, i'm glad you told us about, you know, how many family members you lost and the all the costs because you yourself are accused of being a whole the costs deny it because you don't support design this project. that even

if i can bring you in. now 11 of the, you know, many points that rabbi wise was making. and you know, he mentioned the nazi holocaust hope problem. magic is germany's position because it is one of the places in the west where we see and design is i'm being conflicted, so strenuously was anti semitism. how problem magic is that position for you? for germany to take that position because of its, you know, responsibility for the nazi holocaust to say that we're going to stand by a stage that is carrying out the genocide against the people. what you have done designed here is that this inflation of on to semitism design is a, has real consequences in terms of reporting of the extensive sandwiches and society . so i see on your screen we have repeatedly, they claim that to understand the system has risen. marketplace since october, the 2nd well is quite young, but that's the case in the u. k. the official government figures suggest the

shipment system rose 1300 percent after october the 7th. but this is entirely a fabrication because of course what's being done is that they're using the i each already to define a protocol as any speech as being a teacher's aide, crime. some people have been arrested projecting palestine, or from the reverse of the see. 2 people were arrested for hate crimes for cutting effigies of bloody babies or marches. so this is entirely fictitious. rise in december just as a rise in racism in the society. i guess moves against, i guess paulson is no against use. this is entirely fictitious. but of course what we see with germany is it is germany supporting the genocide just like the u. k. and just like the us. right. but it's not just to do with all across scale with these to do rather i think was the question of the penetration of sinus assumptions into the very fabric of product society in germany. yes. in france to in the u. k. so that we, for example,

you mentioned the message government has adopted the i show a all the political parties in the pay has adopted c. i show they who are in parliament. the police forces from adult to the eyes are a all these institutions are effectively in the grid of desires, movement by signers penetration. that's why we should see the, the ability of the bar exercise is what should 5 and a to institute international law. that's a 2 questions of objection to ethnic cleansing coming done on the side of the sinus, understanding of these things, which is there anybody who says, palestine who supports the liberation of palestine, is by definition, i'm sorry, this is a fixed a tradition by december to someone so therefore we, we don't see any utilize really all right, any, any of the, oh, sort of rise and ash semitism in the, in the last 6 to 10 months. what we do see is the rise of people being arrested and charged for, for crimes which are not price which are profile us to the adjust. well, how do you agree with that? and when david talks about, you know, all of these governments and institutions within the governments being and in,

in the grip of this essentially propaganda by as well around zionism, how can we actually find a solution to what's happening in israel and palestine beyond a ceasefire? when this is the pervasive narrative that criticizing is role in any way that advocating for palestinian self determination is anti symmetric. yeah, absolutely. so do we need we need to be again opposing this equipment. i vision of anti semitism, the so called new anti semitism. so one thing that we need to do is, you know, oppose institutions within our society. with this, canada of us, do you pay germany, france? what, what is the choices that have adopted the i to all right, i tell them that they are violating academic freedom, freedom of speech a n n a that they're also participating in the genocide of the palestinian people.

i think what we're seeing right now is that just situations are still responding to this. what the nice ation of anti semitism and accepting it people on the ground are, are increasingly not people on the ground. see the these are in the government calling the international court of justice that i submitted and then they look at the hearing and they're like, well, that was a perfectly reasonable and valid criticisms and presentation of facts and evidence . this is not anti semitism. and so, so the more that these really speed and western stage and the institutions within western states continue to participate in the zation of a site semitism. they are actually participating in their own. d, legitimize ation in the eyes of people. um so, so i think that, you know, well this is a serving is really interested in the short term. in the long term. we're going to see more distrust of institutions that follow this path. now we're so many i just such a high, a lot of that, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we only have

a couple of minutes left in the program. and by why so i do want to come to you, we only have a couple of minutes left. what i would like to ask you a question. i know you haven't been to as well in decades because you don't want to give any legitimacy to the state. do you hope that in your lifetime, you will go back to as well because of a change in how it treats the palestinians i would say in arabic, and shall i hope to return to refile as the not to an israel and the tall rewards us that if you will, rebuilding against god against the almighty will not be successful. we are sure our rabbits preach this and why not going to do is we'll uh, with the cheap traveler palestine himself way. run my title down for york and hold the court from new york the many years. and he kept on urging people to leave. we let me say that we believe it's the it's, it's an insult. common sense to come in logic to, to constantly ignore the re,

max. the difference between a saw the difference between judaism inside some of the chief of the 76, you know, murdering people. and the jewish people amongst them, by water. oh, okay. because you're saying, you know, murder and people, how do these narrative promoters, the continuation, the perpetuation of the violence against palestinians. oh, because they can give them a given a free right. even through the media and then there's no, there is no uh to somebody to help with the shoulders they, they sort of the able to commit one crime 76 years of ready. what mora, mora, mora, mora, the 76. you have more stuff and it's a more common sense of every human being. see, judy is a, is to serve god by an appeal and still is not serving bought and it's not to do some it's, it's contradictory to judaism. there was no right for what the purpose and see that if they speak up against this, the committee political suicide and this is the way they get the ball. so with the

reading, with the political leaders of you have to answer to god when they have to your grandchildren, how you'd be silent when it's gonna, you're going to wake up one day just like a park park. people realize eventually that it's, it's, it's, it's simply criminal, right of, i was just saying that it's an additional step immediately. this is a crime against god. and it's not judaism, it's just the opposite of duties. and we are trying to re the size and the give us back i would you be using this in a be of the blood. semitism is the state of the personification about the they are fully best and suffering the palestinians of joining them and causing that to be god forbid, death to the jewish people. god forbid, because of what would be a few facing people, the criminal, besides everything else that the closing of life. thank you so much. that is rabbi . yes, roll david wise in new york and david, mila and bristol,

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